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Should we update to S/E 2.1 when avalible ??

Hi forum.
I think this is a good question.
I know from reading here that the dev´s are currently working on a solution for update to 2.1 or 2.2, cracked boodloaders and so on.
And that is really great that someone are dooing all that hard work for all us noob´s...
Now, IF we all decide to update to S/E´s release of android 2.1 in the end of september, what do you then think will happen ??
I can think of some possibillities:
1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
I hope you all can understand what i´m talking about.
What do you think, is it "safe" to update to S/E 2.1 when avalible, if we still would like to be able to use costum roms and root and so on in the future ??
- perhaps someone in the dev-crew can tell us what they think...
Who knows, perhaps the S/E 2.1 update will be mutch easyer to crack or work with...

I was planning to wait till someone checked..... since you brought it up, I vote you do it.....
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MeZmeriZe_ said:
I was planning to wait till someone checked..... since you brought it up, I vote you do it.....
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Ha ha...
+1 on the waiting, first I want to know the side effects concerning the rooting, I really love this black theme and sony font on my x10
Sent from my rooted x10i using tapatalk. Cheers, Arnold

1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
lol
1. Dont care less about root, root is useless for most of us because we still can't flash android 2.1 or 2.2 roms.
2. Who want to go backWARD.
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
IMO.

iHim said:
1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
lol
1. Dont care less about root, root is useless for most of us because we still can't flash android 2.1 or 2.2 roms.
2. Who want to go backWARD.
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
IMO.
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If i remember correctly you already received your X10 with 2.1. You should try it and let us know..

if it werent for root i'd still be stuck on R1 0013 since i had a prototype with no other option to upgrade
we'll see what happens, i don't think anyone can answer these questions yet

So what i am reading from all this is:
"it is better to be safe and not update, than to try 2.1 as noone has a clue what will happen..."
I use root for two things, and i don´t want to loose this.
1. To make working backups with Titanium
2. Wifi teathering. (or what it is called)

Since we are so depending on our Developers, it would be a good idea if one of them could come and help us out before it is actually out?
Biktor?

The dev's aren't just there for you to call at your disposal! They are working hard because they want to, not because you call them over to whatever next you think a good idea is!
Do you think they have unlimited time? Let them work on what they've kindly decided to work on - custom ROMs (1.6, 2.1 etc) - as in the long term we will get much more benefit out of that, than some cheap hack to implement extra features as has been suggested here.
If custom ROMs can never work then if the devs want to they will work on other features. But they are not your slaves and do not treat them as such.

iHim said:
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
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Are you a wizard?

Nimche said:
Since we are so depending on our Developers, it would be a good idea if one of them could come and help us out before it is actually out?
Biktor?
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I won't wait much when I see the update, but I'd be careful. I don't think they'd be updating the bootloader (not even sure if they can without emma), but they might have patched both available exploits and fota package management. And if they patch the fota package we might not be able to downgrade.
Either way we'll see, but if I were an "end user" I'd wait until it's rooted , or at least until we check how fota packages are delivered and know it can be rooted again

biktor_gj said:
I won't wait much when I see the update, but I'd be careful. I don't think they'd be updating the bootloader (not even sure if they can without emma), but they might have patched both available exploits and fota package management. And if they patch the fota package we might not be able to downgrade.
Either way we'll see, but if I were an "end user" I'd wait until it's rooted , or at least until we check how fota packages are delivered and know it can be rooted again
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Thank for your time Biktor. Appreciate your input.

I think once the deve, success to root X10 1. 6 I think it will be easy to root the new update
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I think i will get on the boat when it sails. Our hardworking and respected devs did it ones, took 'em some time, but now they know where to look so i'm quite confident that in a few months time they will be at it again. And i'm in no hurry to get 2.2, i think i can have fun with the 2.1 for some time. I meen, already i almost spend more time looking at and fiddeling with my phone then at the world around me
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Tjotte said:
I think i will get on the boat when it sails. Our hardworking and respected devs did it ones, took 'em some time, but now they know where to look so i'm quite confident that in a few months time they will be at it again. And i'm in no hurry to get 2.2, i think i can have fun with the 2.1 for some time. I meen, already i almost spend more time looking at and fiddeling with my phone then at the world around me
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+10 to that man!!!
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Surely there are other people around here that will upgrade regardless so I'll wait to see what happens to their phone before I try it on mine

Im personally gonna update asap and will let ppl know if there are any probs with the 1click exploids im confident in the devs and if all else fails ima smash my phone and claim insurance ;-) possibly keeping mem card for file transfers lol
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Im probrably going to update it asap. So long I have waited hehehe
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Ok...
It is nice to know that some of you in this forum are willing to take the change, so we within a day or so, know if it is causing problems to update the phone to S/E´s Android 2.1 version...
You people are great....
I will then wait for a few days when the update is avalible, and follow the forum to see what will happen...

i have 2 x10's so i will install 2.1 on one and test root methods once it comes out.

Do you Think HTC will place the same Hardware root block on the DHD as they did on G2

Well, according to these very forums, the US T-mobile G2 has a hardware root block - a chip which flashes the phone back to the original ROM every time it detects a custom one
Do you think HTC will place this same hardware root block on the UK Desire Z and more importantly, our precious Desire HD? Personally, I'd like to believe that HTC did this under pressure from T-Mobile US, but I don't know...

Yes the desire HD will have the same protection as the G2. athough that sounds bad its not as bad as you would think.
1) there will be loads of devs working on the same problem (G2, DesireZ, DesireHD) so the quicker the full root will come
2) we can still "temporeraly" write to system unlike the Evo/Desire/ect. before root
Presumeing that the DesireHD is also vunrable to the rageagainstthecage exploit like the G2. Im pritty shure that it will be as G2 is and the ROM will be built at a similer time if :-D

Apache14 said:
Yes the desire HD will have the same protection as the G2. athough that sounds bad its not as bad as you would think.
1) there will be loads of devs working on the same problem (G2, DesireZ, DesireHD) so the quicker the full root will come
2) we can still "temporeraly" write to system unlike the Evo/Desire/ect. before root
Presumeing that the DesireHD is also vunrable to the rageagainstthecage exploit like the G2. Im pritty shure that it will be as G2 is and the ROM will be built at a similer time if :-D
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The G2 is running Vanilla 2.2 though, so it may be somewhat different... Lets hope the Desire HD can be rooted ASAP, Im sure Paul OB has a few tricks up his sleeve He has an answer for everything you know))
JD

yeah i just read about this on Engadget. This could potentially be a major problem for us future DHD owners.

Nobody has confirmed yet that there is some sort of hardware block. To me it sounds more like a kernel customization. Anyways, give the G2 hackers a couple of days to figure it out. I wouldn't be surprised if non-US phones (where there is actually competition) will not see this crap.

Thanks for your opinions guys! I guess the key is patience, it seems successful steps have already been taking in unlocking the device. With the combined effort of all of the HTC droid hackers, it shouldn't take very long at all

If they cant disable it, maybe they can make the phone reinstall a rooted version of the stock.. They have temporary root now, hopefully they manage to locate the hidden nand.. If they managed to get write permission to the part where the stock image/rom is, hopefully they will manage to make it restore a rooted version of it. If they manage to disable it, it would be easier for us to flash using rom manager etc but if they cant, we will just have to perhaps rely on restoring method. Its like a nandroid restore mechanism.
Just wishful thinking here, i do not know what they are doing now but hopefully it will work either hard or easy. Things go hard at first and hopefully will be more fluid as time pass by. Pray.. pray.. pray.. Go modders/devs!

I can tell you all now HTC will have HW R/W protection on there probably controled by the bootloader. They did it on the Desire/Wildfire/Evo they are not going to take a step back with this phone. 99% of the stuff ppl here about the G2 protection is wrong. i.e its not a rootkit :-s what happens.
Bootloader sets eMMC to R/O --> boots os --> any changes get bufferd --> on reboot bootloader restores removing changes
Thats what happens no one realy knows how the restores happen yet.
Root will come probably for all 3 devices at once.
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Personally, I can live without custom ROM, though I would prefer to have it. I currently own a Hero with MCR5, and love it.
But what is REALLY important is root access to access Market and download the many programs I have already purchased.
Here in Denmark, we only have the locked "free apps only" market. I need my CoPilot and much other stuff!
If I have root, and can run my "root required" apps, then I am happy.

kingkeld said:
Personally, I can live without custom ROM, though I would prefer to have it. I currently own a Hero with MCR5, and love it.
But what is REALLY important is root access to access Market and download the many programs I have already purchased.
Here in Denmark, we only have the locked "free apps only" market. I need my CoPilot and much other stuff!
If I have root, and can run my "root required" apps, then I am happy.
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Have you been inside a cave this last few days?!? If it's all about the market, google is going to open up to almost 30 new countries....
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-countries-more-sellers-more-buyers.html
Oh, but you tell me, that the X app or the Y app still is not going to be on my country's market...
But that's not google fault, now it up with the software devs to select what country market they want to be

onesolo said:
Have you been inside a cave this last few days?!? If it's all about the market, google is going to open up to almost 30 new countries....
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-countries-more-sellers-more-buyers.html
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Still, not all countries are on that list (like mine for example).
So having access to paid apps is still a pretty good reason to have root.

So, i need a help from you guys with this. I never had Android and have one question.
Ok, i understood that if i want coocked ROM i need to root it, BUT if I want instal crack games and programs and all availible apps from the net, do I still need this root?
Without root i can instal only free games and buy the one with price and thats all??
Thanks

Hang on, are you asking for advice on pirating? O_O
OMG!

Smartmob said:
So, i need a help from you guys with this. I never had Android and have one question.
Ok, i understood that if i want coocked ROM i need to root it, BUT if I want instal crack games and programs and all availible apps from the net, do I still need this root?
Without root i can instal only free games and buy the one with price and thats all??
Thanks
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This is wrong!
wywywywy said:
Hang on, are you asking for advice on pirating? O_O
OMG!
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Bingo!

xD ok ok, no pirating...just the part with root

onesolo said:
Have you been inside a cave this last few days?!? If it's all about the market, google is going to open up to almost 30 new countries....
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-countries-more-sellers-more-buyers.html
Oh, but you tell me, that the X app or the Y app still is not going to be on my country's market...
But that's not google fault, now it up with the software devs to select what country market they want to be
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...And this is where MarketEnabler is great. I buy stuff from all over the place. Some I can maybe live without, but some I would hate to miss out on.
And I still need Root for Titanium Backup.

RollingStar said:
Well, according to these very forums, the US T-mobile G2 has a hardware root block - a chip which flashes the phone back to the original ROM every time it detects a custom one
Do you think HTC will place this same hardware root block on the UK Desire Z and more importantly, our precious Desire HD? Personally, I'd like to believe that HTC did this under pressure from T-Mobile US, but I don't know...
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Can somebody explain.. Is this feature "HW root block" will be affect every DHD or only SIM-locked (operator's) phones?
I'm using Galaxy S and it is not difficult to guess that I have pre-ordered DHD on Clove. My Galaxy's using experience tell me to be bad without having root access. So I have been a bit confused when saw this topic.
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The DHD will have the same R/W (root) protection in place as the G2 (vision). I know this as its based on the same chipset and will contain the same eMMC.
HTC always do this on every "generation" of phone i.e desire/evo/ect. Generation had the same NAND lockout as eachother.
So every single shipping DHD will have the G2 style protection
Can a mod pls close this topic its pointless and missleading
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Apache you gave me a reason to wait details about this are 100% defined and I add..unlocked..before buying. Can't live with a locked Htc with no custom roms.
One question, can you point me where I can follow the development of this?

Apache14 said:
Can a mod pls close this topic its pointless and missleading
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How so? I'm asking a valid question, T-Mobile US may have pushed HTC into doing this, just like they did to remove Wifi tethering to the G2's supposedly 'Vanilla' version of Android... Do you work for HTC? All we can do is predict trends, nobody knows for sure if the DHD will share the US G2's exact chipset.

[q] ridiculous

How come the dev's haven't released any information about if they are going to root the 2.2 froyo or not? now before any douche bag comes out with the same response all douche bags have(why don't you make it yourself if your so mad) i am knocking the fact that the devs haven't released a root yet im knocking the fact that they haven't said if they are even doing one, and if you go to the unrevoked beta irc(#unrevokedtest) and ask about the wildfire with regards to a new root they act if you just ask for a baby to sacrifice. Most of us just wanna know so that if in fact the unrevoked project for the new wildfire hboot is not happening we can go and get a new phone or try to find someone with a xclip(i don't know anyone that has one in Australia so im screwed)

Point of this thread apart from your rant? Since you very well know everything there is to it, was it really necessary to have one more rant post?
This thread makes you look like a douchebag, TBH

3xeno said:
Point of this thread apart from your rant? Since you very well know everything there is to it, was it really necessary to have one more rant post?
This thread makes you look like a douchebag, TBH
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........................................................................ of course there is a reason read,read and then re-read and you will find that i am asking if the froyo 2.2 root is a go or no go

Just my 2 cents: getting a patched phone is no right, it's a privilege.
It is entirely up to the people of unrevoked to give information or not.
They are not obliged to do that.
So just wait and see.
If they release anything, be happy, if not, look somewere else.
They are doing a great job, and I have deep respect for them, investing many hours of hard work for the (inpatient) masses.

ucdebz said:
........................................................................ of course there is a reason read,read and then re-read and you will find that i am asking if the froyo 2.2 root is a go or no go
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I think indeed that the reason why we have a huge number of unhappy users that post about the issue every day is that there is not a lot of communication from anyone involved in the developing process of rooting the device... Anyway I'm mainly disappointed by the HTC behaviour: what is the point in changing the hboot in an old device that you will not upgrade anymore? Make us buy a new device? I'm thinking of changing the brand of my android instead... Shame of you HTC...

I'm fairly new here, and the sense of entitlement is amazing. I'm new to android development, but this constant noise about this is driving me crazy.
I just bought a wildfire but before I purchased it, I did some research first. In Australia thankfully telstra hasn't done an over the air update so I knew that I could root the device.
On this forum there are many warnings about not applying the over the air update.
My advice is that the more noise that everyone is making about rooting the wildfire with the newer version of hboot, is more likely to make the developers ignore the wildfire as a platform.
Another option is that you could try and root the platform yourself. I know I'm looking at it, as I want s-off.
Take care,
Ivy.
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ucdebz said:
........................................................................ of course there is a reason read,read and then re-read and you will find that i am asking if the froyo 2.2 root is a go or no go
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Which is exactly the reason stated by the 1000 users who made same posts before you on the same topic.
Of course, your anger is justified. But, apparently, since there is no dev from Unrevoked here, and, in the case there is no update from Unrevoked as is the case now, what can you and I do about it? Rant? Ok, rant ahead as much as you want, but, I am 100% sure ranting wont get what you are looking for.

They have said on twitter they are looking into it
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Maybe if we all donate 1 euro/dollar and make a contest of it.
Who is able to create a root program gets all the money
No serious...just wait...I believe in Unrevoked.
But they aren't robots, they got a live,go to work, play with there children,...
Please everybody wait and you get rewarded !

GéVé said:
Maybe if we all donate 1 euro/dollar and make a contest of it.
Who is able to create a root program gets all the money
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This is a very good idea! I begin to collect funds for the contest, you can put your money into my paypal account, I also accept credit cards and checks ...

Maybe its harder then we all think to find a solution....i bought an xtc clip.....make it s off, ruu with an older 2.1, then i use unrevoked.....then its free. It cost money....but its a hobby.......
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HTC implements security on the bootloader for all the new devices

HTC is implementing security on the bootloader on all its newer phones, and older phones (while updating the firmware).
the HBOOT of htc is becoming more and more secure day by day, so that in the near future it wont be able for a htc phone to get rooted. if this continues, it will have a great impact on the htc market. its gonna suck. it will also have an impact on the custom rom builders. no more development of custom roms.
lets hope that the hackers will make their work best to get the phones rooted.
why does the manufacturer fail to support rooting. it is like, first they let us purchase an icecream, and then they are taking back the cream over the top, and leaving us with nothing.
wildfire had been the first victim. till now no one can say confidentially that a 2.2 wildfire will be rooted even in the future. wildfire with 2.1 has got many easy rooting procedures, but once updated to 2.2 not even a single rooting process has evolved in 4months of time.
legend seemed to be a victim. but its developers managed to root it (even after froyo update). they havent root official froyo. instead they downgraded frm official froyo to official eclair and then rooted eclair. however, then managed to update to froyo without loosing root. its given in legend forums. may be this process is gonna help someone who is working on rooting wildfire.
aria had been another victim. htc aria got updated to official froyo on 25th feb 2011, and like wildfire it is still waiting for root access.
and the about to release s series htc android devices like wildfire s, desire s, incredible s are all falling under the victim category.
here the link by unrevoked gives u devices categorised by their ability to get rooted.
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
somewhat better news from unrevoked is that wildfire 2.2 is in temporary unrootable stage, which means it can be rooted in future (same with aria).
so suggesting u to get a root friendly device, if u have an idea of purchasing a new device.

Thats really bad news. And i have the first problem with my new firmware

Rooting often gets peeple to buy the phone due to development and htc is killing this group of people but im sure there not bothered as people will still buy it so they wouldnt loose much.
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really a bad news.. i'm afraid i wouldn't buy a new htc phone yet lol

-Howard- said:
Rooting often gets peeple to buy the phone due to development and htc is killing this group of people but im sure there not bothered as people will still buy it so they wouldnt loose much.
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Lots of people don`t even know what root means..

*sigh* I never said everyone buying one would want to root. But some people do buy android phonea for there rootability.
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Alex_GP said:
Lots of people don`t even know what root means..
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yes i agree with that. i have purchased htc wildfire in november 2010 without having any prior knowledge on rooting. but once purchased, i rooted my phone in november itself using unrevoked. i enjoyed the freedom of custom roms for a month. but at that time there was no huge development in custom roms.
and without any knowledge (that updating looses the ability to get rooted), i have updated to the official froyo. now struck at the froyo. cannot root and cannot even goback to eclair. 4months of waiting without any result. im regretting myself soo badly for making the update. i see there had been a nice development in the custom roms from december. cyanogenmod 7 distributed gingerbread to wildfire. even honeyfire experimental roms are going on. but cant use them on my unrooted phone.
i agree that people dont have a prior knowledge of root when they purchase phone. but once after purchasing, they will definately know about rooting, and if they feel they had made mistake they will regret.
if unrevoked had given this list before, and if i have seen this before, then i wouldnt have purchased wildfire definately.
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
let us hope to minimise this. let every newbie know about rooting. let them not make mistakes in choosing their phones. and this thread is all meant for that.

HTC morons -- let's think of strategy that will mean fewer people will want our devices -- then go ahead and implement it; short sighted corporate nazi stinking thinking.

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So we should only have devices which the company allow us to handle free. So WE decide what to do with the devices. Noone else. This is a clear selling point from the company.

HTC s off and I have rooted, any help??
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I have rooted and have one of the newer HTC wildfire phones, but realize get c7 on I need the security to be s off and been everywhere, on internet,any simple solution??
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roddinready said:
I have rooted and have one of the newer HTC wildfire phones, but realize get c7 on I need the security to be s off and been everywhere, on internet,any simple solution??
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seems like u have used xtc clip for s-off.
and for installing custom roms, the requirements will be ur phone needs to be rooted and a custom recovery installed.
i dont think one should have s-off on wildfire to install custom roms.

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Bee != Wildfire.
Pretty sure you cannot get Custom ROMs even if you have root because there is no Custom Recovery yet for the Bee.

3xeno said:
Bee != Wildfire.
Pretty sure you cannot get Custom ROMs even if you have root because there is no Custom Recovery yet for the Bee.
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yeah... [bee = cdma wildfire]
nice point over there.

I have xtc clip but no Sims card to use for the cable??so I have the clip to use and goldcard image ready any other way to use the clip?? Maybe thru computer??rerouting any solution?? S off to get c7 guys

I assume that my phone does not have a Sims card access unless I go further in by taking cover off the hardware inside??

Your fone should have a sim card slot or it wouldn't really be a fone now,p the card slot is usually under the battery compartment with a visible image of a sim card indicating where it should go
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1057524 Full guide to use the XTC clip

Burnt two S-OFF exploits in one go

After the amount of effort put into the Tegra HTC One X to achieve S-OFF, it's great to see S-OFF for HTC One, however am I the only one who thinks that releasing two separate S-OFF methods which, I presume, use different exploits is an overkill?
The way I see it is HTC will update the firmware/bootloader soon enough, patching both exploits as they're both public. This means extra work needed to achieve S-OFF on newer firmwares.
It's a shame that the both teams didn't collaborate and keep one exploit as a backup for when first one gets patched to keep the S-OFF goodness lasting longer.

how do we even know it is two exploits discovered?
No one has specifically explained how either method works.

Pointlol said:
lmao, this is quality trolling
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Lol. On a serious note what is wrong with two exploits? Just be happy that we have them and keep it moving ( to OP)
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One is firmware dependant (Moonshine) whilst Revone is to work regardless of firnware version.

barondebxl said:
Lol. On a serious note what is wrong with two exploits? Just be happy that we have them and keep it moving ( to OP)
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Simple, newer phones will be shipped with newer firmware with patched exploits. With both of them public, it means HTC can patch both and we're back into the cat and mouse game of exploit searching. There is no point in releasing two, potentially different, exploits which achieve the same thing.

lollylost100 said:
Simple, newer phones will be shipped with newer firmware with patched exploits. With both of them public, it means HTC can patch both and we're back into the cat and mouse game of exploit searching. There is no point in releasing two, potentially different, exploits which achieve the same thing.
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Ok so now that both have been released what do you want to do about it?

I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple

drakeymcmb said:
I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple
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I think they wouldn't even care specially now that they provide developer and Google editions. That gives flexibility on the consumer side.
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Why not have two methods, doesn't hurt anything.

drakeymcmb said:
I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple
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True. They're becoming more developer friendly. That doesn't mean they WANT you to do it, but I highly doubt they will patch it. And it doesn't even matter if you're on a custom rom.

drakeymcmb said:
I'm sure HTC wanted us to find a s-off method and that they don't care
Remember htc is not apple
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+1 on htc is not apple
only way HTC care's is if the carriers ***** about it.

clsA said:
+1 on htc is not apple
only way HTC care's is if the carriers ***** about it.
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Definitely this. HTC can't afford to lose carriers at this point.
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lollylost100 said:
After the amount of effort put into the Tegra HTC One X to achieve S-OFF, it's great to see S-OFF for HTC One, however am I the only one who thinks that releasing two separate S-OFF methods which, I presume, use different exploits is an overkill?
The way I see it is HTC will update the firmware/bootloader soon enough, patching both exploits as they're both public. This means extra work needed to achieve S-OFF on newer firmwares.
It's a shame that the both teams didn't collaborate and keep one exploit as a backup for when first one gets patched to keep the S-OFF goodness lasting longer.
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I have to disagree with you about the two ways. Until we have 1 way that works for both Windows and Linux then we need to ways. Right now one of the ways works on the phone itself or using CMD on a PC or Linux. The other way only works on Linux, I do not know how to use Linux nor do I really want to learn how. So I am forced to use Windows for everything. So like I said once we have a One way that works for everyone we need different ways to do it.

S-OFF in a Linux Live CD has been done before. Minimum learning curve required.
PS. HTC has plenty of reasons to patch S-OFF exploits:
1. It allows the device to return to Locked state, instead of Re-Locked
2. Has the ability to cause bricks
3. Allows for free SIM unlocks
4. Allows to bypass CID restrictions (branded FW)
5. Allows to change serial number/IMEI if you look hard enough
S-OFF is great for us, but for HTC it's just extra costs.
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I don't really see why anyone want any OTA or RUU to flash, the entire purpose of being rooted s-off and everything about this is....
TO USE A ROOTED STOCK ROM....... OR DEODEX ROM....
I think that says everything.... I chose the revone,,, because why in the world did moonshine wait to release it, I will not say my personal opinion what I think about that...

mdiaz33685 said:
I don't really see why anyone want any OTA or RUU to flash, the entire purpose of being rooted s-off and everything about this is....
TO USE A ROOTED STOCK ROM....... OR DEODEX ROM....
I think that says everything.... I chose the revone,,, because why in the world did moonshine wait to release it, I will not say my personal opinion what I think about that...
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There isnt a custom rom out there for the ONE that requires s-off..If custom rom is what YOU WANT then you only need root. However custom roms do not include all firmware from new ruus or OTA's. Being s-off allows you to get these upgrades without waiting on your device specific ruu. I dont think the majority wants it so they can stay stock to get OTA's. Its so they have a choice and can upgrade when they want to. :victory:
Please say your personal opinion about moonshine, your other comments are your personal opinion, why stop now? And what would moonshine have to gain by waiting to release? I'm sure they were perfecting the code..making things as easy as possible for me and YOU. originally Thumb drives weren't supported yet now they are. The thumb drive didnt write its own code to make that happen.. Do you think cracking HTCs security and writing a user friendly app that has little to no chance to harm your device is fast and easy? If so please show us how its done. IMO If you cant do it yourself, and you are not paying for it, it shouldn't matter how long it took to release.

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There isnt a custom rom out there for the ONE that requires s-off..If custom rom is what YOU WANT then you only need root. However custom roms do not include all firmware from new ruus or OTA's. Being s-off allows you to get these upgrades without waiting on your device specific ruu. I dont think the majority wants it so they can stay stock to get OTA's. Its so they have a choice and can upgrade when they want to. :victory:
Please say your personal opinion about moonshine, your other comments are your personal opinion, why stop now? And what would moonshine have to gain by waiting to release? I'm sure they were perfecting the code..making things as easy as possible for me and YOU. originally Thumb drives weren't supported yet now they are. The thumb drive didnt write its own code to make that happen.. Do you think cracking HTCs security and writing a user friendly app that has little to no chance to harm your device is fast and easy? If so please show us how its done. IMO If you cant do it yourself, and you are not paying for it, it shouldn't matter how long it took to release.
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If you noticed, I did not say anything negative, I didn't say my opionion. I did not thrash or flame moonshine. that is why I said I will keep my personal opionion to myself, I respect the developers, I don't develop or know the 1st thing about that.
so that being said, says all...
I say for people being rooted, get a stock rom, or firmwares and the developers release everything we need.
when someone installs ruu or otas. there hboots are changed, and then at one point or another u possibly wont be able to downgrade or something, that is why I say to stay away from RUU's... that is the only thing.
SO PLEASE, UNDERSTAND. I TOTALLY RESPECT MOONSHINE...:good: :silly:

For people with S-OFF, it won't matter if HBOOT is upgraded as long as the Radio flag is changed, then S-OFF will be permanent. Great for you!
But HTC will release updates with new HBOOTs and those will be shipped with newer devices. If they patch up the exploits, and I don't see why they won't, we'll be back to square one. Obviously it doesn't matter right now, but in the future I'm sure it will be an issue.
PS. There's even a new HBOOT on the 4.2.2 firmware and devices will soon start shipping with it.

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Deleted about half the posts for trolling or Off-Topic.
All that could have been usefully said about that topic is said obviously as the discussion drifted to the advantages of Linux....