HTC is implementing security on the bootloader on all its newer phones, and older phones (while updating the firmware).
the HBOOT of htc is becoming more and more secure day by day, so that in the near future it wont be able for a htc phone to get rooted. if this continues, it will have a great impact on the htc market. its gonna suck. it will also have an impact on the custom rom builders. no more development of custom roms.
lets hope that the hackers will make their work best to get the phones rooted.
why does the manufacturer fail to support rooting. it is like, first they let us purchase an icecream, and then they are taking back the cream over the top, and leaving us with nothing.
wildfire had been the first victim. till now no one can say confidentially that a 2.2 wildfire will be rooted even in the future. wildfire with 2.1 has got many easy rooting procedures, but once updated to 2.2 not even a single rooting process has evolved in 4months of time.
legend seemed to be a victim. but its developers managed to root it (even after froyo update). they havent root official froyo. instead they downgraded frm official froyo to official eclair and then rooted eclair. however, then managed to update to froyo without loosing root. its given in legend forums. may be this process is gonna help someone who is working on rooting wildfire.
aria had been another victim. htc aria got updated to official froyo on 25th feb 2011, and like wildfire it is still waiting for root access.
and the about to release s series htc android devices like wildfire s, desire s, incredible s are all falling under the victim category.
here the link by unrevoked gives u devices categorised by their ability to get rooted.
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
somewhat better news from unrevoked is that wildfire 2.2 is in temporary unrootable stage, which means it can be rooted in future (same with aria).
so suggesting u to get a root friendly device, if u have an idea of purchasing a new device.
Thats really bad news. And i have the first problem with my new firmware
Rooting often gets peeple to buy the phone due to development and htc is killing this group of people but im sure there not bothered as people will still buy it so they wouldnt loose much.
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really a bad news.. i'm afraid i wouldn't buy a new htc phone yet lol
-Howard- said:
Rooting often gets peeple to buy the phone due to development and htc is killing this group of people but im sure there not bothered as people will still buy it so they wouldnt loose much.
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Lots of people don`t even know what root means..
*sigh* I never said everyone buying one would want to root. But some people do buy android phonea for there rootability.
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Lots of people don`t even know what root means..
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yes i agree with that. i have purchased htc wildfire in november 2010 without having any prior knowledge on rooting. but once purchased, i rooted my phone in november itself using unrevoked. i enjoyed the freedom of custom roms for a month. but at that time there was no huge development in custom roms.
and without any knowledge (that updating looses the ability to get rooted), i have updated to the official froyo. now struck at the froyo. cannot root and cannot even goback to eclair. 4months of waiting without any result. im regretting myself soo badly for making the update. i see there had been a nice development in the custom roms from december. cyanogenmod 7 distributed gingerbread to wildfire. even honeyfire experimental roms are going on. but cant use them on my unrooted phone.
i agree that people dont have a prior knowledge of root when they purchase phone. but once after purchasing, they will definately know about rooting, and if they feel they had made mistake they will regret.
if unrevoked had given this list before, and if i have seen this before, then i wouldnt have purchased wildfire definately.
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly
let us hope to minimise this. let every newbie know about rooting. let them not make mistakes in choosing their phones. and this thread is all meant for that.
HTC morons -- let's think of strategy that will mean fewer people will want our devices -- then go ahead and implement it; short sighted corporate nazi stinking thinking.
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So we should only have devices which the company allow us to handle free. So WE decide what to do with the devices. Noone else. This is a clear selling point from the company.
HTC s off and I have rooted, any help??
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I have rooted and have one of the newer HTC wildfire phones, but realize get c7 on I need the security to be s off and been everywhere, on internet,any simple solution??
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I have rooted and have one of the newer HTC wildfire phones, but realize get c7 on I need the security to be s off and been everywhere, on internet,any simple solution??
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seems like u have used xtc clip for s-off.
and for installing custom roms, the requirements will be ur phone needs to be rooted and a custom recovery installed.
i dont think one should have s-off on wildfire to install custom roms.
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Bee != Wildfire.
Pretty sure you cannot get Custom ROMs even if you have root because there is no Custom Recovery yet for the Bee.
3xeno said:
Bee != Wildfire.
Pretty sure you cannot get Custom ROMs even if you have root because there is no Custom Recovery yet for the Bee.
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yeah... [bee = cdma wildfire]
nice point over there.
I have xtc clip but no Sims card to use for the cable??so I have the clip to use and goldcard image ready any other way to use the clip?? Maybe thru computer??rerouting any solution?? S off to get c7 guys
I assume that my phone does not have a Sims card access unless I go further in by taking cover off the hardware inside??
Your fone should have a sim card slot or it wouldn't really be a fone now,p the card slot is usually under the battery compartment with a visible image of a sim card indicating where it should go
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1057524 Full guide to use the XTC clip
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Hi forum.
I think this is a good question.
I know from reading here that the dev´s are currently working on a solution for update to 2.1 or 2.2, cracked boodloaders and so on.
And that is really great that someone are dooing all that hard work for all us noob´s...
Now, IF we all decide to update to S/E´s release of android 2.1 in the end of september, what do you then think will happen ??
I can think of some possibillities:
1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
I hope you all can understand what i´m talking about.
What do you think, is it "safe" to update to S/E 2.1 when avalible, if we still would like to be able to use costum roms and root and so on in the future ??
- perhaps someone in the dev-crew can tell us what they think...
Who knows, perhaps the S/E 2.1 update will be mutch easyer to crack or work with...
I was planning to wait till someone checked..... since you brought it up, I vote you do it.....
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MeZmeriZe_ said:
I was planning to wait till someone checked..... since you brought it up, I vote you do it.....
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Ha ha...
+1 on the waiting, first I want to know the side effects concerning the rooting, I really love this black theme and sony font on my x10
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1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
lol
1. Dont care less about root, root is useless for most of us because we still can't flash android 2.1 or 2.2 roms.
2. Who want to go backWARD.
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
IMO.
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1. We perhaps loose the ability to root for a while.
2. We perhaps cant flash our x10´s back to 1.6 and gain root and cracked bootloader.
3. The dev´s hard work is lost as the new 2.1 bootloader is crypted different.
lol
1. Dont care less about root, root is useless for most of us because we still can't flash android 2.1 or 2.2 roms.
2. Who want to go backWARD.
3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
IMO.
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If i remember correctly you already received your X10 with 2.1. You should try it and let us know..
if it werent for root i'd still be stuck on R1 0013 since i had a prototype with no other option to upgrade
we'll see what happens, i don't think anyone can answer these questions yet
So what i am reading from all this is:
"it is better to be safe and not update, than to try 2.1 as noone has a clue what will happen..."
I use root for two things, and i don´t want to loose this.
1. To make working backups with Titanium
2. Wifi teathering. (or what it is called)
Since we are so depending on our Developers, it would be a good idea if one of them could come and help us out before it is actually out?
Biktor?
The dev's aren't just there for you to call at your disposal! They are working hard because they want to, not because you call them over to whatever next you think a good idea is!
Do you think they have unlimited time? Let them work on what they've kindly decided to work on - custom ROMs (1.6, 2.1 etc) - as in the long term we will get much more benefit out of that, than some cheap hack to implement extra features as has been suggested here.
If custom ROMs can never work then if the devs want to they will work on other features. But they are not your slaves and do not treat them as such.
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3. Give me a challenge to crack it AGAIN!
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Are you a wizard?
Nimche said:
Since we are so depending on our Developers, it would be a good idea if one of them could come and help us out before it is actually out?
Biktor?
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I won't wait much when I see the update, but I'd be careful. I don't think they'd be updating the bootloader (not even sure if they can without emma), but they might have patched both available exploits and fota package management. And if they patch the fota package we might not be able to downgrade.
Either way we'll see, but if I were an "end user" I'd wait until it's rooted , or at least until we check how fota packages are delivered and know it can be rooted again
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I won't wait much when I see the update, but I'd be careful. I don't think they'd be updating the bootloader (not even sure if they can without emma), but they might have patched both available exploits and fota package management. And if they patch the fota package we might not be able to downgrade.
Either way we'll see, but if I were an "end user" I'd wait until it's rooted , or at least until we check how fota packages are delivered and know it can be rooted again
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Thank for your time Biktor. Appreciate your input.
I think once the deve, success to root X10 1. 6 I think it will be easy to root the new update
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I think i will get on the boat when it sails. Our hardworking and respected devs did it ones, took 'em some time, but now they know where to look so i'm quite confident that in a few months time they will be at it again. And i'm in no hurry to get 2.2, i think i can have fun with the 2.1 for some time. I meen, already i almost spend more time looking at and fiddeling with my phone then at the world around me
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I think i will get on the boat when it sails. Our hardworking and respected devs did it ones, took 'em some time, but now they know where to look so i'm quite confident that in a few months time they will be at it again. And i'm in no hurry to get 2.2, i think i can have fun with the 2.1 for some time. I meen, already i almost spend more time looking at and fiddeling with my phone then at the world around me
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+10 to that man!!!
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Surely there are other people around here that will upgrade regardless so I'll wait to see what happens to their phone before I try it on mine
Im personally gonna update asap and will let ppl know if there are any probs with the 1click exploids im confident in the devs and if all else fails ima smash my phone and claim insurance ;-) possibly keeping mem card for file transfers lol
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Im probrably going to update it asap. So long I have waited hehehe
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Ok...
It is nice to know that some of you in this forum are willing to take the change, so we within a day or so, know if it is causing problems to update the phone to S/E´s Android 2.1 version...
You people are great....
I will then wait for a few days when the update is avalible, and follow the forum to see what will happen...
i have 2 x10's so i will install 2.1 on one and test root methods once it comes out.
I live in an area that is about to transition to AT&T, so when my trusty Diamond died, I switched to the HTC Wildfire. Alltel is my provider, so that means CDMA. Alltel still calls it the Wildfire, but HTC calls it a Bee. There are more than just radio differences between the Wildfire and the Bee. Cosmetically, it is different, as is the bootloader version.
Here are the lines from the HBOOT screen:
BEE DVT2 SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.24.0000
MICROP-0422
RADIO-1.00.00.10.01
Sep 9 2010,12:37:36
I like the size of the phone. I'm not a big fan of those huge screens, since I like to carry my phone in my pocket. I just don't feel right using a stock phone anymore, so I'd like to wipe the Alltel branding off and maybe get an AOSP ROM installed. That may be possible right now, but even if we can successfully root this phone, I worry that the lack of a Clockwork Recovery image may limit my adventurous nature. Also, I cannot find a link to a stock ROM, should I ever want to sell the phone or just restore it to OOTB software.
After poking around in various forums, it looks like this phone may have been dead-ended before I even picked it up. There does not seem to be a lot of effort to get it up-to-snuff, with respect to ROOT and ROMs. Not that it is a big deal, since I'll be on AT&T in a month or two anyway. I would like to lend a hand to any devs out there that feel like playing with it, but I'm not holding my breath.
Given that installing a ROM seems to be unwise at this point, what would you do with the phone? I could pay a little more and get the CDMA Desire, but the dev situation for that phone is not much better, and it is a pocket-buster. Looks like I'm stuck.
Not sure if you can root your phone yet, although someone with more experience would be able to tell you more. Your hboot is different than mine, my version can not be rooted yet.
You can find roms here http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Buzz/
I'm fairly sure that this can be rooted, but since I can find no Clockwork recovery and no shipped ROM, there is no going back. The bootloader on mine seems to be an older one, so that should not be the hold-up.
OwenW71 said:
I'm fairly sure that this can be rooted, but since I can find no Clockwork recovery and no shipped ROM, there is no going back. The bootloader on mine seems to be an older one, so that should not be the hold-up.
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What andriod version are you running then? Of couse you can do it, you just have to find a shop that has a xtc clip, buy one, or wait until unrevoked sorts their tool out ... Since im not going to pay top whack for one of those ive emailed a few shops in my area and im awaiting a response. Im off out tomorrow to see asian dude who does unlocking on the off chance.
AFAIK, all wildfires shipped with 2.1, at least mine did. Keep us posted with your progress. I'm outta ideas.
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Not sure if you can root your phone yet, although someone with more experience would be able to tell you more. Your hboot is different than mine, my version can not be rooted yet.
You can find roms here http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Buzz/
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DO NOT USE THOSE THEY ARE FOR THE GSM BUZZ WILDFIRE AND WILL BRICK YOUR BEE
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I have two of the HTC bee cdma phones I have rooted one and can't find a recovery for it so I can't go any farther with out being able to make a backup. If we can find a recovery we as a community can make things happen. I have posted on other threads stay away from the buzz things they can brick your bee. I have tried to get XDA to start a section for the bee so we are not having threads of now what do I do to fix this I flashed a buzz whatever on my bee. PLEASE XDA START A HTC BEE SECTION FOR US. So we can get some developers to see we are here and need help.
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Recently sold my iphone 4, and decide that I might give an android phone a go since I am seeing some fantastic development in this community.
One of the most intriguing yet confusing subject is flashing custom rom, with so many different custom rom around, I was wondering how you guys decide which one to use, consider that there seems to be quite a few excellent ones around? Or its just simply a matter of preference like choosing a theme?
I also very keen to see a custom Gingerbread ROM on DHD, since I have read that 2.3 will never be release for this device most likely, can anyone give me any insight of upcoming a practical version of 2.3 base custom ROM?
Sorry abt asking some many question on my first post
Thanks
I can only give you my two cents regarding my your first question.
personally i've tried Android Revolution and LeeDroid
LeeDroid is fast but i didn't like the custom animation and bootloader(i still want a stock looking phone) so i opted to flask AndroidRevolution so far so good it's fast and has excelent battery life!
I see.
Can you give me an idea how the custom improves the battery life practically? may be some facts/statistics as well?
I notice leeDroid and revolution can overclock the phone CPU as well, is that safe?
BTW, I see this terminology "S-OFF" a lot, what is that?
Thanks for your quick reply
s-off stands for "security off". By default your phones rom memory is read only or "security on". Basically s-off will allow you to read/write to the rom memory and install custom roms etc. There are two types of s-off.
The first is radio s-off which will allow you full read/write access to the flash memory and skips the security check when flashing radios to allow you to downgrade as well as upgrade your radio. This type of s-off is also unable to be removed by flashing an official update. Because it cannot be removed except by deliberate action it is considered a must have. Having said that you cannot actually flash a radio without the second type of s-off.
The second type is engineering hboot s-off which replaces the bootloader itself (like the computers bios) with an enginering version. It is often referred to as simply eng hboot, eng s-off etc. This type of s-off does not allow downgrading of the radio and will be wiped out if you flash an official update to your phone. The advantage of this type of s-off is that you will be able to use fastboot commands from the bootloader. Ironically without fastboot you cannot flash radios so in the end it is reccomended to get both types of s-off.
Personally I use the Leedroid rom with his custom kernel 2.06 and its awesome. I don't have the transition animations. I have also heard good things about ARHD but havent used it since the early days.
franklin20uk said:
I see.
Can you give me an idea how the custom improves the battery life practically? may be some facts/statistics as well?
I notice leeDroid and revolution can overclock the phone CPU as well, is that safe?
BTW, I see this terminology "S-OFF" a lot, what is that?
Thanks for your quick reply
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S-off stands for security off, the htc bootloader comes with certain security measures, to make parts of the nand chip read only! By making the device s-off, you can write to these partitions, letting you flash custom roms, custom recoverys and modify the /system partition.
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You beat me to it mox lol
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Personally I would recommend using CyanogenMod ROM's the CM team put a huge amount of effort into stability so the roms tend to be very usable as a day to day ROM without the bling (and attendent cpu loads) of the fancy UI's ala Sense. Cm6.1.3 is the latest stable release whilst if you want to give gingerbread a whirl try cm7.
BTW although what you say about 2.3 is undoutably true do not worry as I am as sure as can be the dhd will see 2.4 and subsequent releases.
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You beat me to it mox lol
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I'm not happy to see you, that's a Desire HD in my pocket.
I'm making a guide which should be out tomorrow regarding flashing custom roms.
I, for one, opted for revolution and I love it. It's stockish, it's fast, it's way better, excellent battery life
I just rooted my DHD and would also like to know what rom to get. I would want it to be Gingerbread-like because I like changes. But Android Revolution HD seems so popular, fast etc it makes it really hard to choose. Is there a comparison of those two somewhere? Pros and cons? And which rom has the best performance in games for example?
j3yps said:
LeeDroid is fast but i didn't like the custom animation and bootloader(i still want a stock looking phone) so i opted to flask AndroidRevolution so far so good it's fast and has excelent battery life!
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you must to know that you can change the transitions and opening scene... =o)
to be honest, i stick with what most people flash... the rom is more tested, and even if you are a really unlucky guy and got problems with, it's more easy to get support, and find people with same issue.. =oP it's always nice to think about it when you are a noob, like me! =o)
in the case of leedroid and revolution, i tested both... decide between a bad and a good thing is easy, but decide between two great things is pretty hard, the decision is taken about trivial details. i won't say what i got cause it's pointless... you really should try both (and even more if you don't be satisfied neither! =oP
Sorry for throwing my question here, but I'm just a brand new Android user from tha Wii Modding community (...what?)
What are the disadvantages of rooting your phone? Can you still use the official updates and the market?
Thanks!
The no sense-Revolution HD rom seem to be Gingerbread like.
Let me know how much u getting out of ur battery after you installed the Revolution rom
As I care much about performance, do you happen to know the performance difference between the sense and no-sense ARHD?
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I have another question while I am at it. I was doing some digging around on this forum about sim unlocking DHD.
It seems that is it not possible unless buying the IME unlock code from the network or third party website.
Is that still true?
franklin20uk said:
I have another question while I am at it. I was doing some digging around on this forum about sim unlocking DHD.
It seems that is it not possible unless buying the IME unlock code from the network or third party website.
Is that still true?
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Nope, the one-click easy radio S-off tool will also unlock your phone. Handy tool that.
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Diffler said:
Sorry for throwing my question here, but I'm just a brand new Android user from tha Wii Modding community (...what?)
What are the disadvantages of rooting your phone? Can you still use the official updates and the market?
Thanks!
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The only disadvantage of rooting is that your warranty will be void -but that is easily reversed. You shouldn't flash the official OTA (over the air) updates either - as they will disable your root possibly for a long time, but don't worry , as soon as an official update is released: It will be in ROMS within hours.
Market is unaffected - you can find apps that require root on the market!
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If you decided to root you're phone, Look also @ the MIUI rom.
It brings the best features of IOS,Android and Samsung Bada together in a very stable fast Custom rom!
Ey up fellas. I was gonna start my own thread, but this seems to be just what I was after
Coming from a Dell Streak which is an amazing device, mostly due to the work of DJ Steve for his custom ROMS. But I can't deal with the constant resets and sticking touchscreen, which has nothing to do with the software, its happened since day one. So I've decided a Desire HD is on the cards
The missis has a DZ but I havent put any custom ROM's or s-off'd it, so I'm a newbie in the Desire family area! But I've messed around with the Streak a lot and countless other WinMo 6.5 phones so I should be ok.
One question: I'm getting the DHD second hand. Say the guy who had it before me has updated it OTA to the most recent offical ROM, would this mean that I can't S-Off it? Or is there always a way to get custom ROMs on it etc?
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One question: I'm getting the DHD second hand. Say the guy who had it before me has updated it OTA to the most recent offical ROM, would this mean that I can't S-Off it? Or is there always a way to get custom ROMs on it etc?
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Thanks vinokirk for bringing this up, this is inevitably one of my upcoming question as well, thou I might be aftering a brand new DHD black edition exclusive to Orange in UK, cause thats just sexy! Regardless this will be one of my concern since the black DHD is a recent release.
Thanks
We are all waiting for the "miracle" come from the Unrevoked....Is it worth?.
If we are sure that the Unrevoked is really working on it, than It's worth to wait, but until now, nothing make sure that they are working on it, Unrevoked always avoids to discuss about wildfire.
They are geniuses, so if they really want to root it, I think they only need couple of weeks.But so far,froyo2.2 has been on wildfire for a long time.
If anyone has reliable information that they're still working on it, please share.
The wildfire don't bring them profit, so why should they have to waste their precious time on it??...just saying that everyone should not hope too much...It might disappoint you...
Finally, thank you for your attention. sorry for my poor English
i think they're working on it
What is your alternative?
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We are all waiting for the "miracle" come from the Unrevoked....Is it worth?.
If we are sure that the Unrevoked is really working on it, than It's worth to wait, but until now, nothing make sure that they are working on it, Unrevoked always avoids to discuss about wildfire.
They are geniuses, so if they really want to root it, I think they only need couple of weeks.But so far,froyo2.2 has been on wildfire for a long time.
If anyone has reliable information that they're still working on it, please share.
The wildfire don't bring them profit, so why should they have to waste their precious time on it??...just saying that everyone should not hope too much...It might disappoint you...
Finally, thank you for your attention. sorry for my poor English
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Frankly, I don't think it's worth it. I'd just sell my wildfire and buy a new phone.
3xeno said:
What is your alternative?
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He could use an xtc clip and get it S-off
T_T
U know that XTC Clip don't available in many countries, and its price is almost equal to a wildfire
mtnhan1996 said:
We are all waiting for the "miracle" come from the Unrevoked....Is it worth?.
If we are sure that the Unrevoked is really working on it, than It's worth to wait, but until now, nothing make sure that they are working on it, Unrevoked always avoids to discuss about wildfire.
They are geniuses, so if they really want to root it, I think they only need couple of weeks.But so far,froyo2.2 has been on wildfire for a long time.
If anyone has reliable information that they're still working on it, please share.
The wildfire don't bring them profit, so why should they have to waste their precious time on it??...just saying that everyone should not hope too much...It might disappoint you...
Finally, thank you for your attention. sorry for my poor English
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Their updates clearly tell us that they are willing to work on wildfire. But the problem actually seems like they dont have a wildfire and i heard that they are searching for it. They are the ones who got such a great reputation for rooting phones. I dont think that "they feel like wasting time working on wildfire".
No free alternative. Just we need to wait, wait and wait.
(correct me if im wrong)
It's bad luck that you have froyo on your wildfire, your options (as mentioned before) are:
1. Wait for a software able to root 2.2
2. Pay for someone to root via X-clip
3. Sell your wildfire and buy a handset with 2.1 or below. Can you even get a phone running 2.1 anymore?
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It's bad luck that you have froyo on your wildfire, your options (as mentioned before) are:
1. Wait for a software able to root 2.2
2. Pay for someone to root via X-clip
3. Sell your wildfire and buy a handset with 2.1 or below. Can you even get a phone running 2.1 anymore?
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no need to buy a newer device with 2.1 or below. Even if someone wants to, they can get among the sony ericson devices. One can go for a latest gingerbread root friendly device.
excluding wildfire and aria, many other froyo android devices and even gingerbread devices are rootable.
--another point to consider here, as all of us know is, root (perma) depends on hboot security and not on the version of operating system (to be specific, in nand locked devices)
bharatgaddameedi said:
no need to buy a newer device with 2.1 or below. Even if someone wants to, they can get among the sony ericson devices. One can go for a latest gingerbread root friendly device.
excluding wildfire and aria, many other froyo android devices and even gingerbread devices are rootable.
--another point to consider here, as all of us know is, root depends on hboot security and not on the version of operating system.
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Oh, so hboot is not dependant on the android version? So you can have a 0.81 hboot on gingerbread 2.3.3 for example? Strange that they would use an outdated hboot with the latest android builds but there you go.
They are working on it. I don't think that anybody should buy a new phone, because of the root thing.
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Their updates clearly tell us that they are willing to work on wildfire. But the problem actually seems like they dont have a wildfire and i heard that they are searching for it. They are the ones who got such a great reputation for rooting phones. I dont think that "they feel like wasting time working on wildfire".
No free alternative. Just we need to wait, wait and wait.
(correct me if im wrong)
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sorry because i what I said then. I don't know what I was thinking then. I didn't mean that . I just didn't know if they are really working on wildfire, or just other devices.( sorry if I'm wrong)
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Oh, so hboot is not dependant on the android version? So you can have a 0.81 hboot on gingerbread 2.3.3 for example? Strange that they would use an outdated hboot with the latest android builds but there you go.
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lol, im not talking about the hboot version. I said root depends on hboot security and not hboot version. And that security depends on the manufacturer. For a single device, higher the hboot version the more secure it is. But for different devices they are not at all related.
Let us see few things.
--htc aria --------hboot 1.02 not yet rooted.
--htc wildfire ----hboot 1.01 not yet rooted.
--htc legend------hboot 1.01 rooted.
--htc desire & incredible --hboot 0.93 rooted.
--htc evo 4g -----hboot 2.10 rooted.
--htc hero --- has no nand security. so custom recoveries and custom roms can be easily flashed.
Wildfire and Aria have more security on the hboot.
Actually im sorry. I should have specified this. The process of rooting varies widely between different android devices. [It (permaroot) depends on hboot security and not on the version of operating system in NAND locked devices. And shell root or temp root will not depend on hboot]
If two different devices are running the same android version, then both the hboot versions are not likely to be the same. Check for example, Google Nexus One (root friendly device) is running official gingerbread with hboot 0.35 .
It is not like official froyo on wildfire works only with hboot 1.01. I think if htc really wants to, we might have even had gingerbread on wildfire with hboot 0.80. And we are now running gingerbread custom roms on wildfire hboot 0.80
And that should not be called "outdated hboots" for the latest builds. They are called less secure or more secure hboots.
[someone correct me if im wrong]
To accord me unrevoked doesnt working on hboot of buzz froyo, so i used xtc clip to root it .
I bought the clip with a gda in italy.
Excusw for my english but i am italian.
And don't forget the other possiblity for S-off, the pay as you go XTC clip.
That device should come on the market for a more reasonable price for 1 time unlockers.
They are testing it in beta, so just have a bit patience and if all is succesfull, order one and your problems are gone.
I am not able to understand why?
Are mobile companies dont want to users their root android phones?
If yes why ?
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I am not able to understand why?
Are mobile companies dont want to users their root android phones?
If yes why ?
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Obviously they dont want to users do it. This is standard of all companies, even outside the Android universe. The two major reasons are to save their own headaches when users have various problems and issues owning to rooting / JB'ing their devices, and secondly, they want you to stick with the company provided featureset and not have new ones, so that, you will have to buy a new device if you want new features.
It's heartening to see a slight change in their (Some co's) approach though.
3xeno said:
so that, you will have to buy a new device if you want new features.
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Pure business.
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It's heartening to see a slight change in their (Some co's) approach though.
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Really appreciative.
Just a FYI, I was on the phone with one of my friend HTC engineers, long distance from outside the USA, which he gave me some good gossip about the G2.
*Take it for what is worth. I do admit this my not be new info to some.
1) There is a OTA update coming for the G2 which will DEFINITELY cause you to loose root, and A LOT OF WORK has gone into the update to prevent rooting. Matter of fact, my HTC friend tells me that the encryption algorithm will almost make it impossible to root. My opinion, nothing is impossible!
2) BTW, there IS MAJOR development in up coming new tech with 3D displays. My little 'rumor mill' friend informed me that he seen a Android live wallpaper in 3D fire that looks so realistic that when you tilt the device forward, the icons actually go through the flames.
3) He told me that when the G2 was originally released, it was purposely done to make it hard to root, and now with the Gingerbread OTA update just around the corner (he said it may happen in July) by the time IF anyone figures out how to root it, the phone will be completely outdated.
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So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?
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So after weeks of saying they're unlocking bootloaders, opening sense to developers and changing their ways... You're saying your friend knows they're lying?
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I dunno, but its true that bootloaders and rooting are 2 separate things anyway. He's referencing rooting this latest stock GB rom, not unlocking bootloaders.
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It seems there is an 'official' leaked rom out there that is digitally signed by HTC and also T-Morgul (misspending is applied) that after flashed, perm-root has not yet been achieved. Now the great devs that stripped the GB rom (from the raw, has rooted it), so you can flash a rooted version, but hasn't yet rooted after flash.
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hard to believe.
I find when people are lying they add useless information like "a long distance phone call" and "out of usa."
Were this true imd expect somthing like "i was talking to a buddy of mine that works for htc. He heard they had some new encyption that will take forever to root!"
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I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.
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I would say he is lying, but after spending some time in the irc its not looking so good. They even blocked the fail safe goldcard method for downgrading. I think this is bad news being one of the first to receive a 2.3 device back from them I have tried everything to help get this thing rooted hope there is a way to root it soon before all the devs leave for newer devices.
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Hi !
We gonna see about that!
But just to put some things straight:
- The goldcard to downgrade method also needed temp-root to change the main version in the misc-partition.
- At the moment we do not have a working temp-rooting method for gingerbread (besides gingerbreak but this has been patched in our version)
- We are not working on a new temp-root very urgent but this will change
Comes time, comes root.
Have fun - Guhl
Where there's a will, there's a way,
i'm sure one developer will manage to find an exploit, some way or another.
No way.... Is there no way not to accept the ota update when it comes to our phones
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Even those running a custom rom?
well if you think about it, if GB update from htc has been in development for the past 6 months (with specific configurations for different phones). and during this development phase they're stance was to still lock rooting and bootloaders. it would be near impossible to get a release June/July with a different development path based on the statement by the CEO.
either they will push back the OTA update, or roll out and meet the deadlines with their current path and with other phones already getting updates the past few months. I would say they're rolling it out with just configuration testing and QA on our phones
Why not just do this...sell rooted devices and locked devices. Or just sell all devices rooted. Lets face it most people now with android phones have no clue what the os is capable of and buy it off of hype.
G2x with faux AOSP and faux orange kernel. [email protected] 5107 quadrant.
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Even those running a custom rom?
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I dont think they can just ota overwrite the custom rom. When you have a custom rom you dont receive the other ota updates why would you receive this one.
It's true or not, but: No root - not buying HTC phone.
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Dont worry anout the OTA you dont have to install it. Just dont break your current device and get a replacement.... Or pay to fix the one you got.
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