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Captivate-> Root if Galaxy S does

I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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unlikely....but until someone versed in the skill of rooting gets his hands on the Captivate, it's all speculation i.e. pointless.

I don't think it will make much difference. Sure, ATT tends to lock their devices down... But, that is normally on a general user basis. Think about the iCrap - they were still able to be jailbroken, etc.
If a method of "Root" is found for any of the Galaxy S devices I would think that same method would work on all of them.
However, this is just my opinion and like the previous post stated - until we get one in hand we can't be 100% sure.
As far as the Captivate being a lot different from the other Galaxy S devices... Samsung is pushing to have a "Galaxy S" device on all carriers and in 110 countries. There will most likely be some small differences among the devices. However, it wouldn't seem likely that they would be different enough that one ROM couldn't be used for several different models. Take a look at what CyanogenMod did with their ROM's - slight differences allow for them to be used on two HTC devices and the Motorola Droid. Most Desire/N1 ROMS are almost interchangeable.
If the Galaxy S is anywhere NEAR as successful as Samsung is hoping there will be a LOT of people wanting root and custom ROMS.

Galaxy S Rooted
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Galaxy S rooted. Good new for Captivate...Hopefully.

The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult

Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.

I am torn between an AT&T Nexus One and a Captivate.
I want to stay with AT&T because the wife loves her iphone. The Captivate would be much cheaper via an upgrade but I dont think I want it if its not going to be able to be rooted.
I am going to wait a couple of weeks and see how the scene looks before jumping on it the first day its available.

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ewingr said:
Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.
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the way I understand it. you create a backup during the rooting process. So you can restore to original.
Thanks

tysj said:
The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult
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It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.

dsjr2006 said:
It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.
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Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.

Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search

Balthazar B said:
Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
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yeah but this is for the i9000. US version is i897. Is this going to be compatible to US version?

sl8125 said:
Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.
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I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?

I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
I do believe that there will be custom roms available and that for the most part they will be compatible with the various versions of the galaxy S. These samsung phones will probly be the hottest devices on the market for a while and I expect to see a good number of quality devs doing some wonderful things for these phones. Anythings possible with android hell I'm running FROYO on a old tilt

dsjr2006 said:
I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?
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bs. the samsung i8910 which i have was and still is great hardware.. the camera is better than the galaxy.. it also has a flash.. the gps is better than the galaxy.. the cpu is slower 600 vs 1ghz but it is great harware.. just crappy symbian o.s.

garringm said:
I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
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hehe good thing im wfh on sunday am and i live like 2 min away from the ATT COR store...i can drive by and see if there is a line...i think the iP4 is going back...

N1 is not even close to the Galaxy series I have a desire which has 64mb ram than an N1 and it still lags like a mofo. Side by side, desire rather dated seriously.
@ lgkahn Mega-pixels don't mean quality, just take a look at the '8mp' EVO CMOS camera... they're CRAP Any CMOS lens will be crap, hands down. If you want a REAL CCD camera get a real one they're sub $100

If there's a line then you shouldn't have waited. I walked in on Wednesday to a Little Rock store to see one, they offered to sell it to me right then & there but I needed to wait for my wife to make up her mind on what phone she wanted. She verified on Thursday with one of the San Antonio stores that sure, they'd sell it early so on Friday we walked in & walked out with the Captivate, no problem. Asking never hurts.

Samsung Captivate
I have the captivate... I just rooted it however there seems to be no roms out there for it yet... Also I notice that on my wife's Samsung Vibrant using Tmobile when she goes to teh Android market there are certain apps there but when i go to the android market on my captive using at&t i can't find the Mod Install location app or the apps 2 sd ap.... this is strange. anyone have any ideas

ewingr said:
I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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I have my phone rooted, nandroided, AT&T bloatware removed, sideloading, and ready for a custom froyo ROM. Not many other phones have advanced this far, this quickly into their life cycle. I bet Captivate will be one of the first to get a Gingerbread ROM, if not from Samsung, then from the community, it certainly meets the hardware requirements. Without a locked down bootloader and an eFuse, Captivate (and all the Galaxy S siblings released thus far) are more hackable than their competition, not less.

Samsung Vibrant old news already?

Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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you don't know much about the field and business of technology do you?

The second you buy any electronic device, it is obsolete before you even walk out of the store with it. It's something you have to accept if you make any electronics purchases.
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Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.

Even though they keep coming out with new phones doesn't mean yours isn't good. Root that baby, flash a rom and fall in love with your phone all over again.

Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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darkside79 said:
Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
4.5" screen
5+mp camera w/ flash and dedicated camera button
actual hard buttons
and of course ANDROID

And of course with the same 13-1500mAh batteries these has, so we'll have like 5000 threads about terrible battery life, etc.
Personally, I don't think there is anything great about the Vibrant outside of the screen. That was Samsung's main selling point. The GPU is good, but there are now apps popping up left and right that are claiming "No Support for Samsung Galaxy S."
Yahoo Messenger for Android now has no Support for Galaxy S, Lol.
Not going to bother buying another Samsung phone anyways, but certainly not going to buy another phone with internals outside of the mainstream.
I personally view them going in another direction IRT hardware has a massive failure. That's like buying a Windows Computer with an AMD Processor, and Microsoft telling you Live Messenger isn't supported on you computer because you got AMD instead of Intel, or Microsoft Office won't run on your computer because you're running Windows Vista instead of 7, or WoW won't run on your computer because you got an ATI instead of an NVidia. Massive failure, IMO.
Apps > Hardware.
Then there's the issue of a bunch of apps simply being incompatible due to the phone only having Android 2.1...
If you expect a Nexus S or whatever to change that, then I dunno what to say. 90% of high end smartphones run Snapdragons and most don't run TouchWiz, so developers will continue to target architectures which are the majority - as they should, cause targetting Samsung's phone and ending up with apps that crash and burn on all those other phones would be utterly retarded.

DreamcastDC said:
Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.
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yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!

ed1380 said:
cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
4.5" screen
5+mp camera w/ flash and dedicated camera button
actual hard buttons
and of course ANDROID
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in a few weeks new Galaxy S/Nexus S coming to Tmobile. maybe it will be dual and 99.9% it will have flash. and the best thing, no more waiting for updates, and it will already come with Android 2.3

testedfishbrain said:
Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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Got in the site... i figured it out and didn't have to watch that whole video lol

Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.

Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.

Thing about it is, I thought about this too.. What is out that your phone can't do? It can run all the latest apps, and will even be able to support gingerbread. You could have a 5ghz phone, but what good will it do? The 1/4 second that it would be quicker would not be noticeable.

Galaxy S. Maybe the next version will include the P, so it will have a GPS~

Slow down??? Hell no! Speed up with new devices already. And the Vibrant is just fine. I use it, it has an awesome screen, and new updates get uploaded on XDA almost on a daily basis. And I love watching new phones appear. It just means that by the time I get around to another upgrade in about 14 months, the phones at that time will be that much better. So keep innovating, companies, and improving and releasing new phones.

darkside79 said:
Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?

jrharvey said:
Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.
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What exactly are you talking about. No one is complaining about technology advancing. People are complaining mostly (and mostly indirectly) about the rate at which hardware/devices are deprecated and forgotten about.
Lots of people come from a long background in using computers, so they are not used to seeing a 1 year old device become "unsupported" for the most part.
demize! said:
Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
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Yes, those threads piss me off so much I don't even open battery threads anymore unless it's one I posted in and there's a chance a reply may be directed at me.
Most people with great battery life hardly use the phone. I get 20 hours easy when it sits there in Standby for 18.5 of those hours. Once I start using the phone, the battery is crap. I actually had to uninstall some very useful applications so the battery wouldn't commit suicide.
roguly said:
Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?
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Yep. Actually noticed the G2 add play 3x tonight. The hinge is crap, but at least the phone works as expected.
A phone doesn't have to be "really that good" to be worth the investment. In many cases, like the Vibrant, when the phone is supposed to be "really that good" it just turns out to be a failed result of overreaching.
I got this phone because it had a lot of storage in it, and it's not like T-Mobile had that many choices when it came to high end smartphones when the Vibrant was released. Some people replying to posts act like the G2, MyTouch4G, HD7, etc. were being sold in stores in July/August.
There was the HD2, and the Vibrant. That's it. The rest of T-Mobile's phones were utter crap.

lolcopter said:
yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!
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This right here. What should have been a wonderful experience has been badly sullied by non-existent support.
Buying a phone on a 2 year contract and finding out that the phone isn't even properly supported for 4 months should be enough to piss anyone off.

Nexus S stands for sucky!!!!!

When I saw a picture of the Nexus S, I thought, what a ugly phone. Then, I saw that it's made by Samsung, nothing against Samsung but to me their phones are cheap The phone doesn't deserve the Nexus name. IMO HTC makes the best phones. I have three friends that have Galaxy S's, and their always asking me for my N1, to use my navigation, and make phone calls, because they're always losing their signal, and their GPS is screwy, plus they have ****ty battery life, so they live on their chargers. I keep telling them to root, but they want me to do it for them, I stopped rooting peoples phones who refuse to educate themselves about rooting, because they're always calling you with problems, because they don't understand. Another thing, I was thinking about buying the Evo, but my friend has it and the resolution is crap, the colors are dull, almost to the point of transparency, I think HTC focused too much on having the biggest screen, so I won't be buying that crap, I thought that all the high-end android devices after the N1 would blow us out, but have done nothing except confirm that I made the right choice with my Sexy Nexy, so we'll be together a little while longer. I thought the N2 would go in the direction of the Desire look, that's a classy phone, that has a professional look for older gents like myself, I'm very disappointed that Google gave Samsung the contract.

have you ever typed a reply and deleted it while think *why bother?*

greenstuffs said:
have you ever typed a reply and deleted it while think *why bother?*
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greenstuffs said:
have you ever typed a reply and deleted it while think *why bother?*
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If a post doesn't hold your interest, on to the next one.

There's already a thread for this. Try searching next time.

More lamers are on xda now...

On the flamethrower!!
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blas4me said:
When I saw a picture of the Nexus S, I thought, what a ugly phone. Then, I saw that it's made by Samsung, nothing against Samsung but to me their phones are cheap The phone doesn't deserve the Nexus name. IMO HTC makes the best phones. I have three friends that have Galaxy S's, and their always asking me for my N1, to use my navigation, and make phone calls, because they're always losing their signal, and their GPS is screwy, plus they have ****ty battery life, so they live on their chargers. I keep telling them to root, but they want me to do it for them, I stopped rooting peoples phones who refuse to educate themselves about rooting, because they're always calling you with problems, because they don't understand. Another thing, I was thinking about buying the Evo, but my friend has it and the resolution is crap, the colors are dull, almost to the point of transparency, I think HTC focused too much on having the biggest screen, so I won't be buying that crap, I thought that all the high-end android devices after the N1 would blow us out, but have done nothing except confirm that I made the right choice with my Sexy Nexy, so we'll be together a little while longer. I thought the N2 would go in the direction of the Desire look, that's a classy phone, that has a professional look for older gents like myself, I'm very disappointed that Google gave Samsung the contract.
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You're a professional guy who needs a classy phone. I get it.

I too despise helping people not as smart as I. It's so monotonous dealing with the simpletons.

Lol! A sore loser. Your nexy is outdated, it belongs to the past. Face it, accept it, move on.

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have you ever typed a reply and deleted it while think *why bother?*
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All the time, brother!

Apple 3G ---> Apple 3GS for "speed?"
Nexus One ---> Nexus S for "speed?"

After going from Nexus One to Evo to G2 I have to say that the G2 is the true successor to the Nexus One

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Cool story, bro.

it was only a couple of weeks ago when most people on here was up in arms that samsung was rumoured to be making a nexus.
now your all lapping it up. whats happened?

I wanted Vibrant once, but I can consider NS instead, and it's only better!

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now your all lapping it up. whats happened?
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Maybe it's the rumored Orion CPU which if true will be able to compete with any mobile CPU/GPU through 2012.

Award Tour said:
Maybe it's the rumored Orion CPU which if true will be able to compete with any mobile CPU/GPU through 2012.
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hmm yeah that will be it. so samsungs crappy build is no longer a concern.
the "ill never buy a samdung" brigade have scuttled back under there rocks.

Is it possible its something as simple as google wanting to continue use of a amoled screen capable phone for dev. phone purposes? I mean thats one of the main interest points ive noticed when anyone sees my N1. Everyone says "wow the screen is so crisp". Seeing how samsung took amoled away from everyone else just kind of makes sense on googles part if that be the case.
Nothing against HTC, they make great phones but i just wonder if use of amoled is more paramount than most give credit for. Look at it this way, all phone makers can more or less make the same kind of phones hardware wise. Only difference being is samsungs ability to use amoled. Just a thought , nothing more.

i read on here that HTC said the N1 would be thier first and last phone designed for a non carrier and that is why google had to go else where. I'd have prefered motorola, but samsung is an ok 2nd choice. HTC would obviously have been my first but they are out of the question. All i really care about is vanilla android with updates from google, a nice sized screen, good hardware, and a nice design.
the nexus S has all of the above minus the nice design...but it has helped me realize that the design weights a lot more in my purchasing decision than I had previously thought. I dont see myself buying a nexus s if it looks like the leaks orion processor or not

Im done with android ...!!!!

Ok so im not posting this to be flammed or anything but more just to vent and for some opinions. But im really starting to get irritated with android and it's inability to come out with update in a timely manner, and i understand that alot has to do with the carrier to having to test it . But when you have all these android phones being made by 10 different manufacturers with really no limitations so they can all make there own flavor of android with different ui skins and, screen res, processors, file systems... etc. It is ridiculous cause there can't just be one kind of froyo nope , now there is froyo with sense , and touchwiz froyo, and for all the other different kinds of custom manufacturers skins that are thrown in. Which in my opinion makes it really difficult to be able to keep up with updates in a timely manner, and then on top of that samsung releases the fascinate that is supposed to get upgraded to froyo but instead of trying to get that pushed out they get the galaxy tab out with froyo hmmmm why not the fascinate no one knows and now the nexus s gets pushed out with gingerbread but what was that once again no froyo out for the fascinate i hope i am making sense with all this. Anyways as soon as Vzw get a WP7 phone that i like or the iphone 4 im leaving android, mainly for a smoother os and one that isn't so open that updates never happen. I would like some opinions on if im just impatient or if my whole venting session does make some sense to anyone, and if anyone agrees and is thinking the same as i am.
Ahhhhh i feel better... kinda

I didn't read any of your post because nobody cares. gtfo. This forum was not made for a ragfest.

Awesome dude.....

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Going to chalk it up to impatience.

thatdudebutch said:
I didn't read any of your post because nobody cares. gtfo. This forum was not made for a ragfest.
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As i said im not trying to get flammed just opinions so if you don't have a helpful opinion then don't bother posting trying to be a ****...

Didn't read.
Just came by to lol
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I have to say I will never own another device unless it is an android. There are so many things that my D2 does that my friends Iphone 4's and Windows7's just can't do.

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I have to say I will never own another device unless it is an android. There are so many things that my D2 does that my friends Iphone 4's and Windows7's just can't do.
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Oh believe and that is why i do like android but maybe its just i get bored with a device to easily, this is my 4th android device this year lol. But the whole long periodsof time to get updates to fix bugs is getting to the point i just want something new, cause i love the fascinate and im gonna keep it for a backup/toy just feel the need for something new. Android just isn't cutting it for me anymore.

I love Android and the Fascinate in general and I think this whole 2.2 froyo update thing has blown absurdly out of overrated proportion! Yes 2.2 will be cool but alot of people are thinking it's going to be the awesome of all awesomes but it isn't? Aside from flash and app2sd there isn't a whole lot to speak about (thats going to be directly noticeable anyhow IMO)? Now, the Samsung Slow to no update record is another thing but we will have to see how that aspect plays out!

Jrex said:
I love Android and the Fascinate in general and I think this whole 2.2 froyo update thing has blown absurdly out of overrated proportion! Yes 2.2 will be cool but alot of people are thinking it's going to be the awesome of all awesomes but it isn't? Aside from flash and app2sd there isn't a whole lot to speak about (thats going to be directly noticeable anyhow IMO)? Now, the Samsung Slow to no update record is another thing but we will have to see how that aspect plays out!
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Agreed froyo isn't all that great i know i had it on 2 other devices just the fact of this device should have it. But very much agreed

Do you really think that new iPhone or Windows device you get will update to a new OS within a few months of its release? The only difference is that you start with lower expectations for Windows or the iPhone.

I Think your Just Fed up With waiting for an update that Probably wont be out for a bit longer. Watch if you Switch devices after a while your gonna come crawling back! they always Do!....On Another Note I Want Froyo for Jit and Flash so I could watch Videos online. Would be Nice >,< and Facebook games LOL!

87jason said:
this is my 4th android device this year lol.
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Sounds like a classic case of spoiled brat syndrome to me. Get a job, quit having your mommy and daddy pay for your little toys and you'll appreciate the phone(s) more.

87jason I came from an iphobe 4 to verizon because of the superior service. I ended up getting the fascinate. I can say also there is nothing that android can do that Iphone doesn't do better. A jailbroken iphone ofcourse.
Themes, widgets, apps iphone wins hands down. There is no denying it. Oh and yes I said widgets.
One phone, once a year... no headaches or worries is something better out. The phone came out in June and still no phone is better hardware wise. Except the gpu is galaxy s is a bit better. But what's the point when there are ZERO APPS.
WAIT FOR IPHONE I AM

I think its more that the fascinate didn't sell well for verizon so them nor samsung are that worried about it. Sux but coming from a flagship like the droid was it had updates all the time but it use to be the big dog.

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87jason I came from an iphobe 4 to verizon because of the superior service. I ended up getting the fascinate. I can say also there is nothing that android can do that Iphone doesn't do better. A jailbroken iphone ofcourse.
Themes, widgets, apps iphone wins hands down. There is no denying it. Oh and yes I said widgets.
One phone, once a year... no headaches or worries is something better out. The phone came out in June and still no phone is better hardware wise. Except the gpu is galaxy s is a bit better. But what's the point when there are ZERO APPS.
WAIT FOR IPHONE I AM
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Obvious troll i had 2 iphones prior to my android phones and they are the jitterbugs of the smartphone world. lie to urself all u want but don't try and drag anyone else into ur fantasy world.

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Oh believe and that is why i do like android but maybe its just i get bored with a device to easily, this is my 4th android device this year lol. But the whole long periodsof time to get updates to fix bugs is getting to the point i just want something new, cause i love the fascinate and im gonna keep it for a backup/toy just feel the need for something new. Android just isn't cutting it for me anymore.
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Maybe you should stick to Custom ROMS then to keep it interesting, there are loads out there (least until the proper updates come out)

My Fascinate Running GREAT!!!
For all the reasons you want out are the reasons I will always have a android phone.
My next phone will be on Verizon, dual core, front facing cam, android and a Motorola device (unlocked).

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For all the reasons you want out are the reasons I will always have a android phone.
My next phone will be on Verizon, dual core, front facing cam, android and a Motorola device (unlocked).
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id bet anything that there will never be an "unlocked" (i assume you are refering to bootloader) motorola device ever again

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id bet anything that there will never be an "unlocked" (i assume you are refering to bootloader) motorola device ever again
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Nope. The "unlocked" part is one reason I went with the Fascinate. I just hope that Froyo gets here soon, so that the development scene can pick up more.

Would you buy a NEW Nexus S for $395.10?

I'm a proud Vibrant owner, rooted with Nero 4.1 & Voodo. I have a 16gb external SD card filled with personal files, music, and movies. I purchased my Vibrant for a little over $450 at T-Mobile and spent exrta money on a 16gb SD card, and a protective cover.
Today (01/14/2010), I can go to Best Buy and use a special 'Buy Back' program and they will give me $165 for my Vibrant on a in-store gift card. I can then turn around and purchase a Nexus S with it.
Nexus S is $529.99 - $165.00 = $364.99 + %8.29 (Sales Tax) = $395.10
Knowing how close the Nexus S is to the Vibrant, would you shell out 400 clams for the 'Pure Google Experience'? Whats your take? I have an idea, but why should I buy something that my rooted Vibrant can do except a FFC?? Opinions?
The Nexus S doesn't even have an external SD slot.

Yes you getting google updates but you are missing the sd slot. Thats a total buzzkill for me.
Im just going to continue supporting the dev's here at xda and maybe be brave and install the ffc.

not unless the money was burning a hole in my pocket
they're practically the same phone. not worth it imo

At the time I bought the Vibrant the only real difference between it and others in its class was the up to 48 gigs of storage (16 internal, up to 32 external). Save your money you have a great phone, thanks in large part to the devs here. We'll have Gingerbread soon.
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Absolutely not.
You're basically getting 30% of the total value of the phone. The vibrant, even without the updates, is still worth more then $165.
The nexus S is definitely worth $400, but if your giving up a device thats worth more then $165 to get the $400 price tag, nuh uh. Don't do it. Not worth it at all.

you could get more $$ in here in the marketplace....a then use that money to buy any other phone you want...

Not at all. It just doesn't feel like the additions to the S make it any better than a rooted Vibrant especially with the loss of the SD slot.

Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.

SamsungVibrant said:
Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.
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I agree with everyone about the bad marketing decisions Samsung is taking. Which explains how every Galaxy S series phones throughout the world received Froyo except for the 4 sim-lock carriers in the US.
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Respectfully, I disagree with you about the Nexus S. Even though the hardware is from Samsung (which NO other phone out there can beat the Super AMOLED screen). Google has already sent an update to the Nexus S to 2.3.1. Owning a Google phone like the Nexus S is guaranteeing Android updates.

the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter

No. My next phone will have a dual core processor.

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the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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DITTO on that! Except I heard that dual core is a drain on the battery. We don't have battery technology as of yet to give a substantial user experience to last as long as what superphones do now.

Stick with your Vibrant or sell it on Craigslist or Ebay or something, but getting $165 for it is a complete rip-off.

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the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software

zephiK said:
have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software
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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back

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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back
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it doesnt matter if rooted ROMs are available, what matters is that Samsung isn't open sourcing the kernel for 2.2.
Open sourced kernels allows development to move even further. OC'd kernels for the Vibrant are based off the I9000 kernel, which results into poor battery life.
Also, all ROMs built for the Vibrant are pretty much using the base of TouchWiz. Now im not complaining about TouchWiz, I do like a lot of the aspects from it. The Power Widget on the notification bar was a great start; but the fact is that Samsung is not reliable when it comes to software updates. The one plus with TouchWiz is the video codecs.
The Nexus S is a unlocked bootloader from the very beginning with easy commands to unlock and lock it. It is made in mind that its a device primarily made to be hacked with. It is backed by Google.
Not to mention.. the Nexus S at this point has more love from CyanogenMod than the Vibrant. The Vibrant and Galaxy S series dev community is too split between each other. The Nexus S is the same in the UK and USA, therefore.. it allows further collaboration with each other.
In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
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Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.

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In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
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lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
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i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.
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i would tell those people to do their research before making such a large purchase. i knew full well samsung's history when i bought my vibrant. i knew there might be a good chance they'd jerk consumers around and delay updates. if i was running stock, i would be furious... but i bought an android phone full well knowing that i would be modding it... a lot.
lastly, team whiskey > cyanogenmod

Nope..
I will not buy anything else made by Samsung. Back in the 80's / 90's they built the absolute best quality products with great support. I've been fighting with my GPS for too long and they didn't make it right. There was going to be a 2.2 update in August and it still hasn't happend (except for the great XDA devs). My first Android device was a HTC (g1) and my next one will be as well.

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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
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It's not all about you. People have their different reasons for having phones:
1) Flash Addict: Always wanting something to flash. With a developer phone like Nexus S (or any other phone that is popular in the modding community)
2) Normal user
.. and so forth. All ROMs in general has one thing in mind: increasing its speed.
lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
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Again.. this is not all about you at all. Some people are more heavy users when it comes to battery than others. Nevertheless, the 15% mark is annoying and should be removed. Hacked camera.apk does this but not incorporated in all Vibrant ROMs.
i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
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What you said makes absolutely no sense. Grammar check. I personally don't care about Samsung not updating to 2.2 because I don't use a Vibrant anymore, but I still have the phone.
All your points aren't even valid. You're just trying to start a war without pointing out what I said but going AROUND them because you can't defeat my points.
My point is that it just depends on what kind of person you are. And you can say whatever your opinion is about CyanogenMod and Team Whiskey, you just seem like a ignorant individual who is difficult to argue with because they are so close minded. They're both composed of great developers but the additions that CyanogenMod includes is just too significant to add. Am I saying that you're wrong for believing what you do? No.. you have a opinion, I'm not going to try and beg you to change your mind.
CyanogenMod actually complies from AOSP source whereas Team Whiskey base their ROMs from the OTA. You wouldn't understand this since you don't use a phone that is CyanogenMod supported (don't even start with G1.. that phone is so outdated that it isn't even capable of taking full advantage of CM7).
I'm sure when CM7 stable is released, TW will start basing their releases off CM7. And you know what? It is built on top of CM7... so whos the better team then? I'm not going to go for one particular side because a developer is a developer. They aren't in this to get any accreditation from the community. They just do it as a hobby. Quit thinking that CyanogenMod & TW are like the rivalry between NVIDIA & AMD/ATI.
Thanks.