I'm a proud Vibrant owner, rooted with Nero 4.1 & Voodo. I have a 16gb external SD card filled with personal files, music, and movies. I purchased my Vibrant for a little over $450 at T-Mobile and spent exrta money on a 16gb SD card, and a protective cover.
Today (01/14/2010), I can go to Best Buy and use a special 'Buy Back' program and they will give me $165 for my Vibrant on a in-store gift card. I can then turn around and purchase a Nexus S with it.
Nexus S is $529.99 - $165.00 = $364.99 + %8.29 (Sales Tax) = $395.10
Knowing how close the Nexus S is to the Vibrant, would you shell out 400 clams for the 'Pure Google Experience'? Whats your take? I have an idea, but why should I buy something that my rooted Vibrant can do except a FFC?? Opinions?
The Nexus S doesn't even have an external SD slot.
Yes you getting google updates but you are missing the sd slot. Thats a total buzzkill for me.
Im just going to continue supporting the dev's here at xda and maybe be brave and install the ffc.
not unless the money was burning a hole in my pocket
they're practically the same phone. not worth it imo
At the time I bought the Vibrant the only real difference between it and others in its class was the up to 48 gigs of storage (16 internal, up to 32 external). Save your money you have a great phone, thanks in large part to the devs here. We'll have Gingerbread soon.
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Absolutely not.
You're basically getting 30% of the total value of the phone. The vibrant, even without the updates, is still worth more then $165.
The nexus S is definitely worth $400, but if your giving up a device thats worth more then $165 to get the $400 price tag, nuh uh. Don't do it. Not worth it at all.
you could get more $$ in here in the marketplace....a then use that money to buy any other phone you want...
Not at all. It just doesn't feel like the additions to the S make it any better than a rooted Vibrant especially with the loss of the SD slot.
Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.
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Never, don't ever purchase anything made by samsung, even if the software is controlled by google, the answer is no no no no no!
Let google learn a lesson too, maybe in the future they will choose another hardware manufacturor.
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I agree with everyone about the bad marketing decisions Samsung is taking. Which explains how every Galaxy S series phones throughout the world received Froyo except for the 4 sim-lock carriers in the US.
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Respectfully, I disagree with you about the Nexus S. Even though the hardware is from Samsung (which NO other phone out there can beat the Super AMOLED screen). Google has already sent an update to the Nexus S to 2.3.1. Owning a Google phone like the Nexus S is guaranteeing Android updates.
the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
No. My next phone will have a dual core processor.
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the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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DITTO on that! Except I heard that dual core is a drain on the battery. We don't have battery technology as of yet to give a substantial user experience to last as long as what superphones do now.
Stick with your Vibrant or sell it on Craigslist or Ebay or something, but getting $165 for it is a complete rip-off.
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the nexus s is already outdated
wait for more dual core 4g phones coming out this quarter
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have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software
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have fun with manufacturer based skin and late OTAs (or OTAs not even happening)
.. your phone may not have the latest hardware specs, but it will always have the latest android version
its a matter of compromising latest hardware vs latest software
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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back
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can the nexus s even record HD video?
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
in the end, the technology advances so quickly, no matter what you buy you will have buyer's remorse within six months. phones are evolving at a faster pace right now than PCs did a few years back
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it doesnt matter if rooted ROMs are available, what matters is that Samsung isn't open sourcing the kernel for 2.2.
Open sourced kernels allows development to move even further. OC'd kernels for the Vibrant are based off the I9000 kernel, which results into poor battery life.
Also, all ROMs built for the Vibrant are pretty much using the base of TouchWiz. Now im not complaining about TouchWiz, I do like a lot of the aspects from it. The Power Widget on the notification bar was a great start; but the fact is that Samsung is not reliable when it comes to software updates. The one plus with TouchWiz is the video codecs.
The Nexus S is a unlocked bootloader from the very beginning with easy commands to unlock and lock it. It is made in mind that its a device primarily made to be hacked with. It is backed by Google.
Not to mention.. the Nexus S at this point has more love from CyanogenMod than the Vibrant. The Vibrant and Galaxy S series dev community is too split between each other. The Nexus S is the same in the UK and USA, therefore.. it allows further collaboration with each other.
In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
life won't end if you're not running the absolute latest OS. besides, that's what XDA is for... NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GPS
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Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.
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In the end, it really depends what you want. What can you fight against? hardware or software? Since most of us are tight on cash, im sure a lot of us would lean towards software. In this case, the Nexus series would be the winner since it is backed by Google (or any device that is supported by CyanogenMod).
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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
And dont even start with HD recording.. OH MY! we all have to realize that a phone has its limitations. If you're looking to take pictures or do a lot of video recording, just do yourself a favor and get a dedicated camera.... not to mention with TouchWiz, have fun taking HD recording for a long period of time... when it hits the 15% mark, have fun recording or taking pictures buddy
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lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
Oh really....? Tell that to the people who are filing lawsuits and enraging because Samsung isnt releasing a 2.2 OTA.... OH WAIT?! we have rooted ROMs with 2.2... does that justify the idea that they aren't doing OTAs to maintain their products? But instead to just release new ones without committing to their current products?
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i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
Go tell that to people who stuck a two-year contract with a MOTOROLA CLIQ, Droid Eris, and all those phones that the manufacturer didnt commit to upgrading their existing phones. The reason why there aren't more people who are furious about this is because they aren't tech savvy and just care about the phone working.
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i would tell those people to do their research before making such a large purchase. i knew full well samsung's history when i bought my vibrant. i knew there might be a good chance they'd jerk consumers around and delay updates. if i was running stock, i would be furious... but i bought an android phone full well knowing that i would be modding it... a lot.
lastly, team whiskey > cyanogenmod
Nope..
I will not buy anything else made by Samsung. Back in the 80's / 90's they built the absolute best quality products with great support. I've been fighting with my GPS for too long and they didn't make it right. There was going to be a 2.2 update in August and it still hasn't happend (except for the great XDA devs). My first Android device was a HTC (g1) and my next one will be as well.
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i want a fast phone that works. i have that.
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It's not all about you. People have their different reasons for having phones:
1) Flash Addict: Always wanting something to flash. With a developer phone like Nexus S (or any other phone that is popular in the modding community)
2) Normal user
.. and so forth. All ROMs in general has one thing in mind: increasing its speed.
lol @ the "it's not a feature until we get it" mindset. iphone much?
my battery never gets down to 15% anyway, because nero is awesome on battery life
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Again.. this is not all about you at all. Some people are more heavy users when it comes to battery than others. Nevertheless, the 15% mark is annoying and should be removed. Hacked camera.apk does this but not incorporated in all Vibrant ROMs.
i understand the anger towards samsung, and it's completely valid. however, if you want it done right you have to do it yourself. xda has allowed that for many many people. lawsuits and complaints about manufacturers might as well fall on deaf ears, because nothing will happen around here because of that
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What you said makes absolutely no sense. Grammar check. I personally don't care about Samsung not updating to 2.2 because I don't use a Vibrant anymore, but I still have the phone.
All your points aren't even valid. You're just trying to start a war without pointing out what I said but going AROUND them because you can't defeat my points.
My point is that it just depends on what kind of person you are. And you can say whatever your opinion is about CyanogenMod and Team Whiskey, you just seem like a ignorant individual who is difficult to argue with because they are so close minded. They're both composed of great developers but the additions that CyanogenMod includes is just too significant to add. Am I saying that you're wrong for believing what you do? No.. you have a opinion, I'm not going to try and beg you to change your mind.
CyanogenMod actually complies from AOSP source whereas Team Whiskey base their ROMs from the OTA. You wouldn't understand this since you don't use a phone that is CyanogenMod supported (don't even start with G1.. that phone is so outdated that it isn't even capable of taking full advantage of CM7).
I'm sure when CM7 stable is released, TW will start basing their releases off CM7. And you know what? It is built on top of CM7... so whos the better team then? I'm not going to go for one particular side because a developer is a developer. They aren't in this to get any accreditation from the community. They just do it as a hobby. Quit thinking that CyanogenMod & TW are like the rivalry between NVIDIA & AMD/ATI.
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus
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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.
Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.
There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe
zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.
Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.
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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close
I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?
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You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.
Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?
Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!
Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?
Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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you don't know much about the field and business of technology do you?
The second you buy any electronic device, it is obsolete before you even walk out of the store with it. It's something you have to accept if you make any electronics purchases.
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Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.
Even though they keep coming out with new phones doesn't mean yours isn't good. Root that baby, flash a rom and fall in love with your phone all over again.
Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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Yea I Know how electronics are.just think its stupid.but love my vibrant. Already rooted.just need offical froyo 2.2 and and I will be happy!
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Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
4.5" screen
5+mp camera w/ flash and dedicated camera button
actual hard buttons
and of course ANDROID
And of course with the same 13-1500mAh batteries these has, so we'll have like 5000 threads about terrible battery life, etc.
Personally, I don't think there is anything great about the Vibrant outside of the screen. That was Samsung's main selling point. The GPU is good, but there are now apps popping up left and right that are claiming "No Support for Samsung Galaxy S."
Yahoo Messenger for Android now has no Support for Galaxy S, Lol.
Not going to bother buying another Samsung phone anyways, but certainly not going to buy another phone with internals outside of the mainstream.
I personally view them going in another direction IRT hardware has a massive failure. That's like buying a Windows Computer with an AMD Processor, and Microsoft telling you Live Messenger isn't supported on you computer because you got AMD instead of Intel, or Microsoft Office won't run on your computer because you're running Windows Vista instead of 7, or WoW won't run on your computer because you got an ATI instead of an NVidia. Massive failure, IMO.
Apps > Hardware.
Then there's the issue of a bunch of apps simply being incompatible due to the phone only having Android 2.1...
If you expect a Nexus S or whatever to change that, then I dunno what to say. 90% of high end smartphones run Snapdragons and most don't run TouchWiz, so developers will continue to target architectures which are the majority - as they should, cause targetting Samsung's phone and ending up with apps that crash and burn on all those other phones would be utterly retarded.
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Well as long as Samsung support the current Galaxy S line with updates I will be happy, if they don't, I know I won't be buying a Samsung phone again.
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yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!
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cant wait for dual core smartphones with dedicated gpu.
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in a few weeks new Galaxy S/Nexus S coming to Tmobile. maybe it will be dual and 99.9% it will have flash. and the best thing, no more waiting for updates, and it will already come with Android 2.3
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Dont wait... Just go to akaskriller.com he already have the real one thanx to eugene
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Got in the site... i figured it out and didn't have to watch that whole video lol
Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.
Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
Thing about it is, I thought about this too.. What is out that your phone can't do? It can run all the latest apps, and will even be able to support gingerbread. You could have a 5ghz phone, but what good will it do? The 1/4 second that it would be quicker would not be noticeable.
Galaxy S. Maybe the next version will include the P, so it will have a GPS~
Slow down??? Hell no! Speed up with new devices already. And the Vibrant is just fine. I use it, it has an awesome screen, and new updates get uploaded on XDA almost on a daily basis. And I love watching new phones appear. It just means that by the time I get around to another upgrade in about 14 months, the phones at that time will be that much better. So keep innovating, companies, and improving and releasing new phones.
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Ok so the Vibrant is not that old but seems like its forgotten already. Well the whole Galaxy S series! Bs since its only like 4 months old. Makes me mad that android devices get left behind so fast just to be replaced so quick. Not everyone can buy a new android device every week. I love my Vibrant but this crap makes me mad! Come on SLOW down with android devices already. Just my 2 cents! And no im not a fan boy. Just wanted to get this off my mind. Thanks a million!
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Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?
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Please tell me your not mad that technology is advancing. Really? Is it such a bad thing? Nobody is forcing you to go out and buy the newest, fastest and greatest device. Personally I think while the vibrant may lack in 2.2 and some other things like flash and a 4.3" screen or HSPA+ it more than makes up for in MONSTER graphics computing, overall speed, a beautiful 4" SAMOLED screen and a camera that takes pretty amazing pics. I did expect better support from samsung considering the phone is across all carriers However I did buy the phone as is so I cant complain too much. it still holds its own against any other device out right now. Plus... The Nexus 2 will basically be a Galaxy S so we should see easy porting to our devices once gingerbread is released and android 3.0.
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What exactly are you talking about. No one is complaining about technology advancing. People are complaining mostly (and mostly indirectly) about the rate at which hardware/devices are deprecated and forgotten about.
Lots of people come from a long background in using computers, so they are not used to seeing a 1 year old device become "unsupported" for the most part.
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Hopefully we'll see some advanced implimentation of battery technology to make these handsets last a while with usage. Cause I don't want to see another ZOMG! I got 47 hours of battery.... with everything off.
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Yes, those threads piss me off so much I don't even open battery threads anymore unless it's one I posted in and there's a chance a reply may be directed at me.
Most people with great battery life hardly use the phone. I get 20 hours easy when it sits there in Standby for 18.5 of those hours. Once I start using the phone, the battery is crap. I actually had to uninstall some very useful applications so the battery wouldn't commit suicide.
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Has anyone noticed the multitude of G2 ads everywhere? Seems like HTC is really pushing the advertising with that phone...i dont understand because i have messed with the phone and i dont think its really that good. any agree?
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Yep. Actually noticed the G2 add play 3x tonight. The hinge is crap, but at least the phone works as expected.
A phone doesn't have to be "really that good" to be worth the investment. In many cases, like the Vibrant, when the phone is supposed to be "really that good" it just turns out to be a failed result of overreaching.
I got this phone because it had a lot of storage in it, and it's not like T-Mobile had that many choices when it came to high end smartphones when the Vibrant was released. Some people replying to posts act like the G2, MyTouch4G, HD7, etc. were being sold in stores in July/August.
There was the HD2, and the Vibrant. That's it. The rest of T-Mobile's phones were utter crap.
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yeah, this
only to add: i will actively tell every person i know to avoid samsung like the plague
ball's in your court samsung!
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This right here. What should have been a wonderful experience has been badly sullied by non-existent support.
Buying a phone on a 2 year contract and finding out that the phone isn't even properly supported for 4 months should be enough to piss anyone off.
So, I have been playijg around with my new Nexus S for a few hours and have everything loaded up like before. It's an awesome phone, just not surs ifbit is a $500 upgrade from the Nexus One that I currently own. My biggest issue is the limilted memory... with 12 gigs of music, my work files and others- I think I will run out soon, I am guessing they come out with a 32 gig before long. I will hang on to this and see how my N1 performs with GB. I really don't need a front facing camera or NFC chip. But I must admit, this thing is great and really flies! Anyone else having second thought?
It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones. I prefer my Nexus one 1000 times over this mediocre-half-ass attempt of a phone. I'll wait for Google to try again next year and bring back the tracking ball, memory slot, and a metallic casing instead of the plasticky one.
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It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones.
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Yeah, I don't really see the Google Walled Garden. You'll have to explain.
I am almost positive there will be a Nexus-M by Motorola, they really want in on the Nexus name I have heard. Might be called the Nexus-3.0 and released after Honeycomb comes out, but that's just rumors I have heard. I thought Moto was gonna get the Nexus-2 before Samsung got involved, so I am sure they are working on a Nexus phone for release in 2011.
Right now, today, the Nexus-S is the best Android phone on the market, if you want pure Android, with no carrier bloatware, and no branding crap like Sense or Touchwiz, and you just need to root this phone to make it bad ass, no real need for a custom rom like C 6.1.
I would not want the first dual core phone to market anyways, let them work out the kinks and bugs first, and I'll take the second round of dual core phones. Will give them time to really optimize Android for dual core after the 2nd gen is out.
I think the OP was asking if you have actually bought the phone are you having second thoughts.
To go from a Nexus One to a Nexus S and call it an upgrade is an oxymoron. To pay money and get a phone with less features is unwise. Gingerbread is coming to the Nexus One anyway.
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To go from a Nexus One to a Nexus S and call it an upgrade is an oxymoron. To pay money and get a phone with less features is unwise.
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Where does Google say it's an upgrade? Link, please.
If you're just whining because the Nexus S doesn't have all the features that you want, then please stop. Go somewhere else and start your own thread, where you can complain all you want that the phone doesn't have a Jet Pack or a Rocket Launcher.
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It's disappointing that Google is going the Steve Jobs way trying to control what we can or can't do with our phones. I prefer my Nexus one 1000 times over this mediocre-half-ass attempt of a phone. I'll wait for Google to try again next year and bring back the tracking ball, memory slot, and a metallic casing instead of the plasticky one.
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It's hardly the same thing. Sure, Google may have taken out a couple features that you find important, but they are definitely not controlling anything. These decisions ONLY affect the Nexus S. The MANY other Android phones are not affected. So if you want a trackball and expandable memory, you can very well have that. Just buy a different phone. Apple on the other hand, prevents this freedom since the iPhone is the only available iOS phone.
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Where does Google say it's an upgrade? Link, please.
If you're just whining because the Nexus S doesn't have all the features that you want, then please stop. Go somewhere else and start your own thread, where you can complain all you want that the phone doesn't have a Jet Pack or a Rocket Launcher.
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This is a forum for people to share their opinions. If you really like the Nexus S, you shouldn't get mad if others don't. Go buy one, enjoy it and move on. But try to understand that different people use their phones differently.
For me, the lack of SD storage is a deal breaker. Like the OP, I have easily over 12GB of music that I load on my phones. I don't want to carry an MP3 player on top of my cellphone. Nexus S's lack of SD slot leaves me with very limited space for my other data (work emails, apps, pictures and clips that I shoot, and so on). Having said that, I could see how this wouldn't be an issue for someone who doesn't fill up their phone.
Secondly, no matter how you spin it, the hardware is not a noticeable step ahead from the Nexus One, or the myTouch 4G. The S has a 1GHz processor and so do a whole slew of phones by Samsung and other manufacturers.
Thirdly, the Nexus S doesn't utilize TMO's HSPA+ network. Again, this may not be a big deal for somebody who doesn't do heavy data on their phone. But I do, and I happen to live in an area where TMO's "4G" network works extremely well. I definitely consider going from HSPA+ back to "3G" a downgrade. You may not share that view...
Basically, the only selling point for the S is Gingerbread. Based on certain information I have, the MT4G is highly likely to get a 2.3 update on the other side of the year. A minor OS update isn't enough to convince me to buy this phone.
As for your "upgrade" comment, technology is expected to get better over time. It's just the way it works. Google doesn't need to hold a press conference event to tell us whether this phone is an upgrade over a phone released nearly a year ago. That is expected to be the case.
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I think the Nexus phones are Google's iPhone. It is untouched by Carrier bloatware, and untouched by phone brand UI's. This is the "pure" Android experience, sort of how iPhone is the "pure" Apple phone experience, but they only have one phone anyways, so sort of hard to compare, but you get my drift.
Is the Nexus-S gonna be the top dog hardware, no. But it will always be up to date with the current OS, and not really needing any custom roms, just a root. Sure in two months from now, there will be dual cores etc...but they will also have Moto blur, or TouchWiz, or Sense UI, and then have Verizon Bing search, or ATT crap ware. I like the virgin Nexus, even if she is a little slower
Every Christmas time there will be a new Nexus, running the latest OS, sort of like every summer there is a new iPhone. I hope this keeps going.
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Sure in two months from now, there will be dual cores etc...but they will also have Moto blur, or TouchWiz, or Sense UI, and then have Verizon Bing search, or ATT crap ware.
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even if there is, until android is written to support it, and the apps are as well, having an extra core will be useless.
I'm going to sit on my n1 until a dual core dev phone is released. By that point, my n1 will be at the same hardware comparison with the new phone that my g1 was with the n1
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even if there is, until android is written to support it, and the apps are as well, having an extra core will be useless.
I'm going to sit on my n1 until a dual core dev phone is released. By that point, my n1 will be at the same hardware comparison with the new phone that my g1 was with the n1
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Agreed, I would not want to be beta tester on the first gen of dual core phones, could be buggy, or could not offer any performance gains until the Android OS is totally ready for it . Now a dual core Nexus development phone would be nice.
Probably going to return mine
This phone is nice, but I really don't c much performance upgrade over my Nexus One. When I tried to watch some flash videos, it was just as choppy as my Nexus One...I was very disappointed. I think right before the remorse period is over I will return the phone and go back to my N1.
I visited Best Buy during lunch and got to play with a demo unit. The first impression is that the phone feels cheap. Yes, we've read about this many times in reviews, but I don't think one realizes it until one has it in their hands. It feels like a toy. And for whatever reason, it feels cheaper than the Vibrant; maybe because of expectations (Nexus branding and all)? I don't know. In some ways, the Vibrant's cheapness still feels like quality.
Granted, I was only using it for no more than 5 minutes, I was quite underwhelmed. Gingerbread sure is smooth, though.
Driving home with mine right now. 30 day return policy with no restocking fee. Ill see how gb does on my nexus one also and if I find any buyers. If gb flies on n1 and no buyers ill return. Can't wait to get home and charge it then wait till its done before I use. Fffuuuuuuu
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I too am underwhelmed with the device so far. Oh yes it is fast and smooth but I am getting Fc's and some have to do with the GPS which does concern me. My GPS has been spotty so far and I still recall the torture with the Vibrant's GPS. Also Market has not updated to the new market. I thought GB would include that for sure(perhaps it is not actually released yet although I have it on my Vibrant. I do like the feel of the phone though. It is heavier to me than the Vibrant or the MT4G
... Like 2 dicks and no *****, Samsung and Android don't mix.
Sorry but that's just the god's honest truth.
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I too am underwhelmed with the device so far. Oh yes it is fast and smooth but I am getting Fc's and some have to do with the GPS which does concern me. My GPS has been spotty so far and I still recall the torture with the Vibrant's GPS. Also Market has not updated to the new market. I thought GB would include that for sure(perhaps it is not actually released yet although I have it on my Vibrant. I do like the feel of the phone though. It is heavier to me than the Vibrant or the MT4G
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If you're getting FC's out of the box, do a full reset of the phone. If it keeps doing it even afterwards, then exchange it.
This is my first Samsung device and I disagree with the folks saying that it feels cheap or like a toy. My only complaint about it's build quality after having played with it for the last several hours is that I wish they had used some rubberized texture coating or something because the phone is pretty slick.
I'm sure I'll get used to it though and adjust my grip accordingly.
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... Like 2 dicks and no *****, Samsung and Android don't mix.
Sorry but that's just the god's honest truth.
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LOL I'm writing that one down.
http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-coming-galaxy-sii-thanks-samsung
As u can see Sammy is embracing the root community by giving a Dev that root phones there phone and telling them to do there thing. When all these other company's HTC included are locking down bootloaders Sammy says please make our device better. Plus the galaxy tab 2 is getting great reviews it looks like its going to be a sammy year for me .
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http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-coming-galaxy-sii-thanks-samsung
As u can see Sammy is embracing the root community by giving a Dev that root phones there phone and telling them to do there thing. When all these other company's HTC included are locking down bootloaders Sammy says please make our device better. Plus the galaxy tab 2 is getting great reviews it looks like its going to be a sammy year for me .
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and htc isnt how?
http://www.htcdev.com/ all bootloaders have been signed and they where going to encrpyt them and now they arnt so congrats for samsung for being the biggest marketing people to get everyone to buy their POS products so enjoy your darker darks and your yellow whites on your sammy not trying to be a **** just putting my two cents out their and showing you but have fun on wiz cause thats what i wanna do on samsung haha
Until Samsung fixes their radio/GPS problems, I'll stick with HTC....
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Until Samsung fixes their radio/GPS problems, I'll stick with HTC....
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This, & Sammy gave the dev a GSM model, which doesn't mean **** for us CDMA users, & if you don't agree then just go ask the devs in the Epic forum who are still trying their damndest to get CM7 fully running while the Captivate & Vibrant both has been fully blessed by Cyanogen hisself.
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this thread is terrible.
Poor misinformed soul.....
It's a promising sign but I'm not sure I'm quite convinced that Samsung is trying to change their ways. Of course, we also have no proof that HTC is going to truly unlock their bootloaders either.
My experience with 3 stock Samsung Android phones on Sprint has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
1. I had the original "Moment" from day 1. Paid $475 for it and had nothing but problems.
2. My wife has the "Transform" (I gave Samsung a mulligan for the Moment since it was 1st generation....) -- big mistake, almost as crappy as the Moment.
3. My Daughter has the "Intercept" -- got it at the same time as the Transform (so I did not have a chance to see that the Moment was more a precursor to the craptastic to come rather than a "one off" mistake.
Even without rooting and romming -- the EVO is head and shoulders above any of the Samsung phones I have seen. As far as being able to actually use it without weird things happening.
Yes....I said it --- that is the downfall of Samsung phones...."Weird things happen at a very slow pace, and even doing basic things like making a phone call or sending a text becomes a huge undertaking."
Had I not known better (owning other Android devices) -- could have sworn that Samsung was trying to make Android look like a steaming, buggy, not ready for prime time, piece of crap OS....When in fact it is not that at all.
As a last desperate measure before purchasing my EVO....I rooted and installed a custom ROM on my Moment -- and it actually was a pretty good experience to turn it into a device I could at least make phone calls on and send texts (which was worlds above stock Moment -- even though the GPS no longer worked.) So I can at least thank Samsung for forcing me to discover the world of custom roms.
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That's a value added post if I ever saw one.
How is this not good news for the end user? A headset manufacturer giving the OK to one of the best developer teams to implement a highly popular custom ROM is a bad idea? Some people will never be happy.
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That's a value added post if I ever saw one.
How is this not good news for the end user? A headset manufacturer giving the OK to one of the best developer teams to implement a highly popular custom ROM is a bad idea? Some people will never be happy.
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It might be good news if said dev recieved a CDMA phone which is what the majority of people here would purchase. It really is irrevelent because he got a GSM phone, which really changes nothing.
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It might be good news if said dev recieved a CDMA phone which is what the majority of people here would purchase. It really is irrevelent because he got a GSM phone, which really changes nothing.
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Is a CDMA version of the phone even available yet?
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Is a CDMA version of the phone even available yet?
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That I don't know. Good question.
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Is a CDMA version of the phone even available yet?
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Official, no. Testing, yes. Samsung could easily give a CDMA developer the device, but it'll be discreet until the carrier announcement. This was a good move by Samsung, but don't forget about the Nexus One and EVO 4G. Classy move by Samsung, but nothing HTC haven't done before and more.
Sent from the EVO 3D with Sprint.
Samsung is the most aggressive smartphone manufacturer right now (giving phones to dev is just a brilliant PR move if nothing else).
This ain't no Epic. SG2 marks a new era for Samsung. I've had it for 2 weeks now (with my EVO) leading up to what would have been my pending EVO 3D purchase... which will likely morph into a Sprint Within purchase at this point.
Obviously 'user experience' is highly subjective...but it seems unlikely the 3D will match this rooted, stripped SG2 experience I'm enjoying now. Fiercely fast...brilliant multimedia performance...at least compared to the 4G..
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Samsung is the most aggressive smartphone manufacturer right now (giving phones to dev is just a brilliant PR move if nothing else).
This ain't no Epic. SG2 marks a new era for Samsung. I've had it for 2 weeks now (with my EVO) leading up to what would have been my pending EVO 3D purchase... which will likely morph into a Sprint Within purchase at this point.
Obviously 'user experience' is highly subjective...but it seems unlikely the 3D will match this rooted, stripped SG2 experience I'm enjoying now. Fiercely fast...brilliant multimedia performance...at least compared to the 4G..
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Very subjective, but I fail to agree that the 3D rooted and optimized fails to match, especially when noone has even touched the phone. The specs are too good on it not to be one of the best phones of the year, and rooted and optimized is only icing on the cake.
How is the screen on the 3d compared to a super amoled. I tried reading specs but have no idea what they mean. I just wanna be able to actually see my phone when I'm outside.
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Very subjective, but I fail to agree that the 3D rooted and optimized fails to match, especially when noone has even touched the phone. The specs are too good on it not to be one of the best phones of the year, and rooted and optimized is only icing on the cake.
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Yeah, hope your right..really do. To me it comes down to the camera quality and video quality...cause other than that the only thing it has going thats appreciatively better than my rooted gingerbread 4G!...is pixel density and that its faster.
To me the dealbreaker is how much better are its multimedia capabilities...(2D..not 3D)...cause this things (GS2) is crystalclear brilliant!
I think it's funny that Samsung can't make good software for their own phones, so they want someone else to do it for them. And for basically nothing.
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I think it's funny that Samsung can't make good software for their own phones, so they want someone else to do it for them. And for basically nothing.
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Ignorance..
Stuke00 said:
I think it's funny that Samsung can't make good software for their own phones, so they want someone else to do it for them. And for basically nothing.
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Cheap ****s
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Im thinking to myself I love my Atrix its specs beat or match that of phones that just came out in the past weeks or due out in coming months.Now what specs would you say are future proof for ICS and new Dualcore super apps for android? IMO 1ghz Dualcore any chip or Soc don't matter 1Gig Ram but some might say 512 or 768 if you own a sensation being the way Android uses the Os how much is needed.Now when it comes to screen size well this is user based but screen Res I would say it changes some will say Qhd will be future proof but other devices like the nexus prime show a 720p screen so is that future proof? As far as storage we have 16 gigs built in witch is great beating the sensation and g2x along with others could this make our device or others with the same specs proofed some might say the OEMs play a part in updating but who knows my point is I would like 2 answers from you people the Atrix is it Proofed and what makes a future proof device at this point? I mean if you say that the Atrix is not proofed for what ever reason would mean your saying the photon / Sensation. / G2X / All Verizon dualcore phones/ Evo 3D are not future proofed so where is the line in witch we start to proof phones if there is any proof the way Android hardware moves it could be a game a made up word to keep us back for more when in fact a single core 512 device I.E. nexus S is very much Future proofed. WHAT YOU THINK?
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Nexus brand phones are always future proof as devs love working on them due to their stock nature. Other than that, it really just comes down to what phones are popular. I would not say the Atrix is future proof due to the fact that most devs abandoned the platform early in its life due to the locked bootloader. Even now the only roms we have are deoxed based ROMs and an unoffical CM7 port. It basically comes down to what phone is popular during each product cycle. For CDMA, it would be the thunderbolt at the moment. For GSM, it's the SGS2 by a landslide. Pretty much anywhere but this subforum, people are recommending the SGS2 as the android phone of choice if you are on a GSM network. It has a big dev following mostly due in part to how popular it is. People can argue all they want about how the Atrix is a superior phone, but the facts are that the Atrix flopped in sales whereas the SGS2 totally dominated globally.
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Nexus brand phones are always future proof as devs love working on them due to their stock nature. Other than that, it really just comes down to what phones are popular. I would not say the Atrix is future proof due to the fact that most devs abandoned the platform early in its life due to the locked bootloader. Even now the only roms we have are deoxed based ROMs and an unoffical CM7 port. It basically comes down to what phone is popular during each product cycle. For CDMA, it would be the thunderbolt at the moment. For GSM, it's the SGS2 by a landslide. Pretty much anywhere but this subforum, people are recommending the SGS2 as the android phone of choice if you are on a GSM network. It has a big dev following mostly due in part to how popular it is. People can argue all they want about how the Atrix is a superior phone, but the facts are that the Atrix flopped in sales whereas the SGS2 totally dominated globally.
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Yea but what your talking about is choice im talking specs not whats hot being hot has nothing to do with future proof more less sales
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Devs do have a favor in future proofing a phone. Im sure development has slowed down a lot for nexus one and itll start slowing soon nexus s. But generally the most powerful phone have a chance at being future proof. The sgs2 is fixing to get left behind i think with next generation of phones. I didn't know they were titty babies about their pride and joy. Anyways, the first quad core and nexus are probably going to be where its at.
Iphone > galaxy s 2.
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Devs do have a favor in future proofing a phone. Im sure development has slowed down a lot for nexus one and itll start slowing soon nexus s. But generally the most powerful phone have a chance at being future proof. The sgs2 is fixing to get left behind i think with next generation of phones. I didn't know they were titty babies about their pride and joy. Anyways, the first quad core and nexus are probably going to be where its at.
That's my point at what point does it end I think that any dualcore device out now should be proofed
Iphone > galaxy s 2.
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nucentury08 said:
Yea but what your talking about is choice im talking specs not whats hot being hot has nothing to do with future proof more less sales
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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This is almost spot on to what I was gonna exactly say.
SGS still has a HUGE support following. Once something as small as 2.3.5 gets leaked, the SGS section will go crazy wuth updated ROMS just like it has with the previous FWs.
If you are an early adopter, you will are taking a gamble with ANY phone.
But with Android, IMO it is critical in terms of future proofing to find a phone supported by devs.
(For non XDA users I'd recommend Nexus, and nothing else)
Devs decide the lifespan of a device more than the hardware itself. Even the G1 and the OG Droid/Milestone still gets supported.
That's why many companies are changing their policies and leaving BL unlocked, because it's truly in their best interest...
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edgeicator said:
Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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That's a good point people are getting all worked up over the gs2 is there a list if future android apps that there can run on there phone and not any other phone ? Cause at days end we can run the same apps that make android Android
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no device is really future proof anymore. as has been stated already its up to the devs.
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I want the Atrix to live forever!
Maybe we should make it worth it for the devs to get involved. I've seen countless times communities placing a $$bounty for the dev/team that gets X feature working.
XDA forums should implement such a system. That way it would pay-off to dev for the underdog, since everyone else would be fighting for the pop/novelty.
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That's a good point people are getting all worked up over the gs2 is there a list if future android apps that there can run on there phone and not any other phone ? Cause at days end we can run the same apps that make android Android
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You missed the point of my posts completely. I am saying that the SGS2 will last far longer than the Atrix in terms of lifespan due to the simple fact that the SGS2 has a much bigger fanbase and therefore many more devs working on it.
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You missed the point of my posts completely. I am saying that the SGS2 will last far longer than the Atrix in terms of lifespan due to the simple fact that the SGS2 has a much bigger fanbase and therefore many more devs working on it.
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They said the same thing about the Droid1. I've still got one of those for my work phone. I've completely uninstalled all nonstock apps just so the damn thing will run all day.
I agree with this line of thought as well. "Popular" phones continue to receive support for much longer, whether it be official or through the dev community. "Specs" can only get a phone so far on a technical scale but the incentive lies in where the money is at.
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Devs have everything to do with futureproofing a device. Custom ROMs are the only thing keeping older devices up to speed since manufacturers/networks like to drop support after 12-18 months. Nexus one/S are still going strong despite how old they are due to very good google/dev support.
The SGS2 will get left behind like the Captivate has. And by that I mean by not much at all. Captivate dev is still quite active. SGS2 had huge sales, so devs will stay on board for the forseeable future.
Nexus phones are ALWAYS where it's at when it comes to futureproof phones.
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This is almost spot on to what I was gonna exactly say.
SGS still has a HUGE support following. Once something as small as 2.3.5 gets leaked, the SGS section will go crazy wuth updated ROMS just like it has with the previous FWs.
If you are an early adopter, you will are taking a gamble with ANY phone.
But with Android, IMO it is critical in terms of future proofing to find a phone supported by devs.
(For non XDA users I'd recommend Nexus, and nothing else)
Devs decide the lifespan of a device more than the hardware itself. Even the G1 and the OG Droid/Milestone still gets supported.
That's why many companies are changing their policies and leaving BL unlocked, because it's truly in their best interest...
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I was thinking this thread looked familiar. I noticed the OP had already started a thread based on almost the same premise here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241063
The reason I bring this up is this forum has become redundant enough just with noobs but to have the same person basically ask the same question and to do it by starting new threads, well.....
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They said the same thing about the Droid1. I've still got one of those for my work phone. I've completely uninstalled all nonstock apps just so the damn thing will run all day.
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Meh I recently sold my Motorola Milestone (GSM Droid). I had no problems running it on stock Froyo at all with plenty if Apps installed on my SD.
The "only" reason why I sold it was because it still had resale value. I got $200 for it, which wasn't that much less than what I originally paid for it.
Otherwise the OG Droid/Milestone is "still" a solid device...
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"Future-proof" to me is:
1. can it run everything? (i.e. processor/graphic intensive apps)
2. will it get stable CM? (this would likely ensure ICS)
The Atrix certainly gets a check for #1 and seems likely to get a check for #2. That's enough for me to keep from chasing after the next big thing. We'll likely get ICS from the CM team and keep chugging well into 2012.
i believe that the Atrix is future proof, but u kno a lot of people are bandwagon users, i've seen so many of them in the Atrix forum. As before the atrix came out, they were claiming it was gonna be the best phone to come out this year(which i think it is OVERALL so far), then some moved to the inspire and tried to call the Atrix crap until they used it the inspire for a while, found out it wasn't better, then came back to the Atrix saying it's the best, now the SGS2 is coming out and now their calling the Atrix crap smh....Now i seen the SGS2, it's a nice phone, but in OVERALL specs, i would have to say that the Atrix is better, but that's my opinion. Yea the SGS2 has a nice screen, but i think the Atrix's Qhd looks better(some may agree some may not), another reason is the Atrix having the largest STOCK battery(yea i know their's extended batteries, but they make your phone look bulky and you'll have to use a different back cover and most likely won't be able to use the case you once had) in a phone to date which helps when i'm goin on trips, having a busy day, etc. without having to carry around a charger or extra battery. There's plenty of other comparisons that i could make, but don't feel like going down that loooong list of stuff. I am nowhere near biased in my opinions, i never said that the SGS2 didn't have any advantages over the Atrix, i went on OVERALL specs, i might end up getting the SGS2 or the new Nexus device when they come out after i see watch multiple reviews to weigh out their pros and cons, but i don't know......maybe
For me the only device capable of being "future proof" is the device you feel more comfortable with, for work, play, lesisure and whatnot whithout sacrifices*.
In my case the Atrix has been a great device (and a keeper) because i can:
1. Mod it
2. Play the latest and greatest THD games.
3. Simplify my work with Logmein and such through the pretty convinient Lapdock accessory.
4. Great battery life
5. Great photo and video camera for those quick shots of the family
6. Use it without ugly, bulky bullet-proof casings because the battery cover is easily replaceable and very cheap to get and it basically protects the corners of the phone, which for some reason are the prime spots that get damage by use on any phone.
7. Great specs (RAM, Storage, qHD LCD Screen, Huge Battery, Expansion< etc)
* And when I mentioned 'without sacrifices' I meant that I can use my device without fear of wearing out the screen like on other devices that make use of such 'wonderful' AMOLED, S-AMOLED and variants that degrades over time.
Cheers!
Rayan
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Although I want devs to continue using and creating new stuff this great device, it really just doesn't matter too much for me down the road. I know I'll still have this phone 3 years from now doing the same thing I use it for today. Games, Netflix, Youtube, and browsing the web.
I don't upgrade my phone much, but I believe this time it was a great choice. When it boils down to it, as long as it plays all the new games a year or 2 from now from the market, it's still a great device for me.
Emulators are already possible for the Atrix, so it's not like I'm going to run out of games to play. Which is why I hated my iPhone 3g so much. That device would have never ran PSX games like my Atrix.
Nothing is future proof. As I type this message it's old news.. We should look at the things we do daily with our devices the common things, can you type a text message faster? Are you gonna post a Twitter response faster? Majority of people aren't past needing a great device like the Atrix. I mean the iPhone 4S isn't killing the Atrix as far as specs go. Camera on the iphone will be nicer not to do the mp but the overall optics. Just my 2 cents...this post is already not future - proof