Guys what is a aosp rom.. Like whats special about it and hows it differ from a regular rom?
a rom built from the android opensource project (http://source.android.com/). it's what people call 'vanilla' or pure android.
how is it special? its not, really. it's just free of carrier bloat and manufacturer skins which some people prefer.
Does it offer any performance improvements? Like hardware acceleration for example. And also most roms on here are free of.manufactire bloat.
no improvements, it's the same os (for example, 2.2.1 aosp is the same 2.2.1 on the sgs4g, just without tw and carrier bloat). basically, manufacturers take the aosp code and then build their skins/software on top of them, so an aosp rom may run faster, but that's because it's running less code (it's not running sense, blur, tw, etc. on top of the android os), but that also depends on how the manufacturer code is integrated with the os.
Ive heard some people say it could be the opposite too. Some of the manufacturers ui enhances the specific hardware for each phone.
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Ive heard some people say it could be the opposite too. Some of the manufacturers ui enhances the specific hardware for each phone.
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Like TouchWiz. It's completely built for the hardware in the Galaxy S, so it does speed up the Hummingbird, but nowhere near the optimizations that Gingerbread gives us.
Plus it gives some cool features. Like fonts and a better camera and music player.
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Aosp (android open source project) has no shell (software by manufacturers or carrier) so what you get is the pure Android operating system.
Some like it some don't it is ok what is nice about it is if you are rooted (which you most likely are) you can add back just the apps you want so there is no extra bloat on the phone.
interesting!
okay i tried cm7 but i notice that it doesnt have hardware acceleration on the browser like simply honey 3.6 and or 2.2.1 roms like biwinning? So i guess the browser is not optimised for hummingbird on aosp???
It is but the browser on bi winning is touchwiz and Samsung had hardware acceleration on that
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Also TouchWiz has codecs installed for playing back 720p mkvs and xvid/divx files natively. It uses less battery cause its using the gpu in our phone instead of the cpu (uses more battery) which some apps on the Market do.
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then why is cm7 so popular? i really dont get it, just because its a aosp rom??
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then why is cm7 so popular? i really dont get it, just because its a aosp rom??
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Yeah plus you can customize the hell out of it. It also usually has great battery on stable releases.
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ohhh, coooll.....
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I'm not sure how integrated the samsung versions of these files are, but in my opinion they are miles better than the modded AOSP versions in cm7.
Are these files highly integrated into the framework to where it would be impossible? If the port goes smoothly, the touchwiz dialer and contacts could be enjoyed by the whole cyanogen mod community.
This seems like it would defeat the open source nature of cm. Although nothing is impossible, unless samsung releases source for touchwiz (which they won't), I don't see this happening.
Better to design the missing features into the aosp project.
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Yeah I understand your point, but I wouldn't expect it to be integrated into the main branch so closed source shouldn't matter much. So I'm assuming samsung's source for those parts is closed?
the smart dialer, and swipe to call/txt features are what I miss most if someone can make quality enhancements to aosp I'd be for that over ports any day.
I've tried just about every alternate dialer app there is (dialer one is the best), and they all fall drastically short compared to tw counterparts imho.
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Yeah I understand your point, but I wouldn't expect it to be integrated into the main branch so closed source shouldn't matter much. So I'm assuming samsung's source for those parts is closed?
the smart dialer, and swipe to call/txt features are what I miss most if someone can make quality enhancements to aosp I'd be for that over ports any day.
I've tried just about every alternate dialer app there is (dialer one is the best), and they all fall drastically short compared to tw counterparts imho.
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i completely agree. Would love to get back the TW dialer and mms apk's. I'm gonna keep an eye out for anything on the subject, if i find anything il post back here.
Look for tw app ports to other phones, these should work on cm7
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Look for tw app ports to other phones, these should work on cm7
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Yeah, I know it was powered to the nexus one, but I thought that was the entire system not the individual apps....
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I would love to have a remake of the samsung touchwiz 3 dailer without the rest of touchwiz on cm7. Most Samsung apps are actually quite good regarding usability; also 2 bad they don't scale if you change dpi .
Dialer of CM7 is the reason for switching to CM7
I use "Frequently called list" which is very fast in CM7 and annoyingly choppy in TW dialer (doesn't matter of the lagfix)
i'm still on 2.2 so i'm wondering what new update i should update to and how i can do so?
cm7 +1
With how easy it is install with rom manager and how its official now, best rom out now!!
great batter life and very stable except for no gps
Thanks if that 2.3.4? us it worth it over 2.2
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very worth it!!! i use as my daily driver but no gps
I suppose if you can live without GPS it's a good upgrade. I'm in the category of folks who need the GPS in the phone so I'm patiently waiting for the Devs to fix the GPS or find our Gingerleak... For now I'm using Trigger 3.2 which I believe is 2.2. 2.2.1 leaks seem to have issues with my bluetooth devices.
cm7 is totally awesome if u can live without gps. i don't really need gps so this rom is awesome for me.
To the OP - just be aware that CM7 is stock android build and dont have TouchWiz which is Samsung's custom user interface. If you like TouchWiz elements like Samsung's version of clock, calendar, music and video player, widgets like feeds & updates, daily breifing etc you may want to wait for the official GB leak (who knows when). Also CM7 does not support hardware decoding for certain video formats unlike Samsung ROMs. So you need video players that do software decoding and possibly slower performance.
yeah, if you don't need gps, then a 2.3 rom is by far the way to go. after my first run on cm7 i went back to 2.2 and 2.2.1 roms and i couldn't pinpoint what it was/is but i was just overall dissatisfied with the performance. even with oc kernels.
now i'm back on cm7 and was running an oc kernel at 1.2 and 1.3ghz, but am now running the stock kernel. i won't go back again. but i would rather have 2.3 than gps.
You don't know what CM is until you try it! The customizations are great.
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You don't know what CM is until you try it! The customizations are great.
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Perfect quote he says it all
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Personally 2.2.1 has been nothing but glitchy 2.3 seems solid minus gps honestly though I'm back on 2.2 I see no clear cut benefit for what i do to change
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If you want to have a rom for daily use, then 2.2 or 2.2.1 is the best.
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I keep switching alot too. Switching between biwinning, CM7, and simplyhoney 2.3.3
I love some of the samsung elements such as some of the modes in camera such as night shot, continuous shots, etc. So I am sticking to simply honey for now minus the GPS of course. I just really hate to mute unmute on CM7. It's minor but it's annoying for me.
There's no denying that as it stands the SG2 is the fastest android smartphone out now. I don't own one but based on what i'm hearing its crazy fast. My question is with its speed would it benefit from the hardware acceleration that comes with ICS?? Does the UI in this phone running as smooth as an iphone or the Samsung Galaxy Nexus without hardware acceleration? Or despite its speed does it occasionally still stutter in between screens from time to time or jumping in between apps??
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There's no denying that as it stands the SG2 is the fastest android smartphone out now. I don't own one but based on what i'm hearing its crazy fast. My question is with its speed would it benefit from the hardware acceleration that comes with ICS?? Does the UI in this phone running as smooth as an iphone or the Samsung Galaxy Nexus without hardware acceleration? Or despite its speed does it occasionally still stutter in between screens from time to time or jumping in between apps??
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I think its just the browser that is using hwa right now, if its using hwa in UI on ICS it would really make a difference. Maybe not in the time it takes for stuff to happen but overall smoothness, wich imo is not there yet
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Hmm....that's slightly disappointing. I was hoping this phone would be just as smooth out the box based on what everyone is saying about its speed.....well thank God for ICS, cuz the stuttery UI is the androids OS main Achilles heel....we'll see what happens
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Well - it isn't really the "stuttering" people hate about android. Others think it isn't polished like IOS. Not to mention since it's so new - there isn't a lot of "good" apps for it.
With ICS - it'll take use of the graphic processor for the UI so that the primary dual core processor can focus on the tasks. In gingerbread, the processor is doing everything / and the graphic is only doing games. =/
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In gingerbread, the processor is doing everything / and the graphic is only doing games. =/
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You forgot HW accelerated video playback and internet browser ;-) Also, you can always download and use stock Gingerbread launcher, which uses HW acceleration too, AFAIK.
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Well,as long as you don't underclock the device it's buttery smooth.To avoid confusion,Samsung's TouchWiz is hardware accelerated and it's as smooth as the iPhone etc.But even with alternative launchers it's really really smooth.I hate even the slightest hints of lag/stuttering and get annoyed very easily.With the S2 I haven't been annoyed for a long long time(well,sometimes things go wrong when you mess with the device just too much ).
Gingerbread offers HWA, browser, video processing, touchwiz 4.0 to name a few.
However, ICS is 'supposed' to take HWA one step further and fully optimize our high specs - mainly our GPU.
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Well,as long as you don't underclock the device it's buttery smooth.To avoid confusion,Samsung's TouchWiz is hardware accelerated and it's as smooth as the iPhone etc.But even with alternative launchers it's really really smooth.I hate even the slightest hints of lag/stuttering and get annoyed very easily.With the S2 I haven't been annoyed for a long long time(well,sometimes things go wrong when you mess with the device just too much ).
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Touchwiz 4.0 is hardware accelerated?? Wow, that's awesome!! I guess I'm trying to wonder why isn't or wasn't hardware acceleration implemented in the android os long ago???
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Touchwiz 4.0 is hardware accelerated?? Wow, that's awesome!! I guess I'm trying to wonder why isn't or wasn't hardware acceleration implemented in the android os long ago???
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Its up to the manufacturers to add this in. HTC has done it with sense 3 as well.
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Its up to the manufacturers to add this in. HTC has done it with sense 3 as well.
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Htc have hardware accelerated sense 3.0? it's laggy as hell.
Google devs simply didn't deem it necessary, also because not all of the android devices had a decent gpu at the beginning, but obviously all of them had a cpu. They told devs not to do garbage collection regarding this issue, which is imho a very weak strategy. Good that they changed their mind with ICS at least: better late than never, but ofc never late would be better
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Htc have hardware accelerated sense 3.0? it's laggy as hell.
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Sense 3 is smooth as butter animation wise. Its bloated that makes it laggy.
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Sense 3 is smooth as butter animation wise. Its bloated that makes it laggy.
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Browser also hwa?
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Nope.
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Lol Sense is a piece of ****
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Lol Sense is a piece of ****
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Not ! Touchwiz is crap sense is awesome and it doesn't lag either sense 3.5 SON
MyTouch HD (Black)
Kernel demonspeed v7
lagfree 1516Ghz - 768Mhz
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Gingerbread 2.3.5
Dark Side Sense 3.3 !
I own both HTC Sensation and Galaxy S2, I put Android Revolution ROM on the sensation and its smooth and fast, even when I downclock it to 800mhz.
I think by default Hardware Acceleration is not enabled for sense 3.0, the rom fixed that and to be fair.. I really like the sense interface and in terms of software, HTC is really ahead and offers better execution than Samsung.
Speed wise, the galaxy s2 is much much faster even when down clocked to 800mhz, I'm on VillianROM 3.0 and everyhing is flying.... I never liked the stock browser, my browser choice is Dolphin Browser MINI cos its fast and no lag and it can download from multiupload sites
I much prefer Sense over TW, it's a very polished ui, while instead TW is a complete mess: the colors are put together randomly and the overall feeling is that it's much less refined and elegant. TW looks like something designed for kids, while instead Sense has more of a business look, which i like much better. What actually stopped me from getting the Sensation is the fact that it actually performs much worse compared to the GS2, and lacks internal memory. I also got used to AMOLED screens so now i don't wanna go back to LCD because it feels like downgrading. But hey, this is kinda ot
Touchwiz 4.0 is awesome.
All videos of sense ive seen are laggy crap.
TW4 adds some nice features, simple to use and is hardware accellerated - just what i want from a launcher.
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Hey All,
Since rooting my SGS2 and installing ICS Roms I find the Camera App is total S**t !
I use the camera loads both still and video.
The stock SGS2 Camera app was awesome !!!!! But the ICS one is rubbish !
I have searched everywhere and stock camera app is not available for custom roms or as an apk file.
So I am trying to find a developer to port the SGS2 Stock Camera App so it will work on all custom roms so we can all use it.
Failing that port it to Root Box Rom by Bajee11 as that's the Rom I use.
If anyone is skilled enough then let me know and we can discuss it further. It has to be totally bug free and working though.
I want this to happen so no time wasters please.
Feel free to leave comments regarding your camera experience on ICS.
Also don't recommend any apps as I wasted money on them all.
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I think it's impossible if you want it go back to stock rom
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Nah I don't think it would be imposable, just a lot of hard work either porting it from GB or starting from scratch. But either way something has to be done cause the ics camera is just crap!
I dont understand your topic. You're talking about a stock camera app. Flash any SAMSUNG based custom or stock ICS Rom and you will have a great camera... If you are using a CM or AOSP based ICS rom, like Rootbox, your camera might be worse. Because you have a Samsung device with Samsung camera, but a not samsung firmware... Or am I thinking wrong here, lolllzzz. Seems like common sense to me...
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Nah I don't think it would be imposable, just a lot of hard work either porting it from GB or starting from scratch. But either way something has to be done cause the ics camera is just crap!
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That's right it is bad but only the cm team can add features to it but no one will port the camera app its not so easy
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I am fully aware that it will be hard but if someone can port the other Samsung apps over then porting this will be possible. It will just take a little hard work and time for someone who has the knowledge about these kind of things (I don't)
Hopefully sooner or later a developer with the skill will answer the call
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It may not be impossible, but you have to understand that the stock Samsung camera app requires the touchwiz framework and system libraries, these files are completely incompatible with the AOSP framework and libraries, also the libraries in question are closed source when distributed by Samsung so any attempt to port or write from scratch would be a complete shot in the dark and while I'm sure there are devas out there who agree with you, with all the issues Samsung creates for AOSP devs a mostly working camera is much further down the list than other projects.
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This is something I've been looking for since I been using CM as well... 6 months now... really sucks to have such a great firmware with such a bad camera... more importantly the reduced camera settings is what makes matter worse...
For eg if you want to make a video with CM Cramera on lowest resolution, a 1 min video is like 40mb... can't even email something like that... while stock allowed 3gp and VGA resolution cams so you can take random small unimp videos to send... like on whatsapp with a 12mb limit you can only make like 5-10 second videos...
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Get UCAM pro. Try it. Seriously great.
The question should be about other third party camera apps available on the play store. Is there any app that comes close to the stock samsung app in the terms discussed above?
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As OP states no point in recommending any PS Apps. I have seriously tried them all and wasted loads of money on inferior camera apps.
There is nothing that comes close to Samsung camera application.
Also I have ucam and it's crap. How you can compare that app to the SGS2 Camera I don't know.
Which is a shame. (
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I agree with op here...the camera of this phone is very good and that's y I hate when it goes to waste on custom ROMs...Samsung ROM is very very ugly but utilizes camera quality to the fullest and has WiFi direct and FM but aosp and aokp ROMs r beautiful but camera sucks and no WiFi direct..spirit FM is the alternative at least
When will the perfect ROM come
Hell I would even buy the ROM like any play store product if it has aosp with Samsung like cam and WiFi direct and FM
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Why don't you use stock ROM with custom theme then?
I'm using Neat ROM and you can flash a custom theme over it (Jkay, vertemus, ...)
There's a lite version in case you don't want all stock Samsung apps.
Not what I am trying to achieve here.
Really want it so the camera application can be shared to all who want it.
Thanks for the idea though.
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Why don't you use stock ROM with custom theme then?
I'm using Neat ROM and you can flash a custom theme over it (Jkay, vertemus, ...)
There's a lite version in case you don't want all stock Samsung apps.
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I'm using that too but it has limitations like the theme is close to aosp but not in full...plus some colours r not very good...some notifications r pure white etc such things...plus changing DPI which is possible in aosp and aokp disrupts the UI in Sammy ROM with aosp theme on it
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Try using Ucam from play store it has most of the features of the stock camera and it also ugly like it
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i miss my stock camera....,could we like port the stock camera...Ive read some threads with instructions to detouchwiz an stock app,but that's gonna be a pain in the [email protected]#$ then again its worth it i guess.
Me too. I love Root Box but stock camera is really good.
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So I just tried ucam and I must say I'm quite impressed by the picture quality... not as good as stock but definitely better than CM...
Problems with it tho are that it keeps trying to autofocus which I find a little annoying...
Secondly and more importantly... its not allowing to take videos in less than 620*480... which was the problem to begin with... I'm starting to think this is a main CM limitation rather than any application...
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The stock camera has the advantage that Samsung can make calls directly to the hardware - fast and efficient. Because the stock camera only runs on Samsung devices.
When we talk about AOSP, now we are talking about generic Android. Google rewrote it for all devices with a general framework - it works on HTC. Now, the hardware cannot be directly addressed. Much more complicated programming - simpler in a way, but harder in others.
Then along comes AOKP. Those guys want to take Google out of the deal entirely, so they again rewrite everything and add another layer of abstraction. And when you think that NOBODY on the AOKP team owns an S2 and they don't even list it as a supported device. It is no surprise that the a large percentage of the features of the S2 are no longer available. For the life of me, I can't understand why putting up Superman wallpaper is better than having a decent camera, long battery life, FM radio, Bluetooth connectivity, etc.....
I am currently running Andromadus Mimicry, but I have found it to be quite slow. Has anyone experienced any quick, but stable roms.
Thanks
Another one of these?
Whatever one you use that meets your expectations. There are people here that will run ICS without issues, but state they have issues with Jelly Bean or Gingerbread. It is all a matter of what works for you.
That being said, CM7 based ROMs are your best bet. They are the most developed and mature for the device.
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Another one of these?
Whatever one you use that meets your expectations. There are people here that will run ICS without issues, but state they have issues with Jelly Bean or Gingerbread. It is all a matter of what works for you.
That being said, CM7 based ROMs are your best bet. They are the most developed and mature for the device.
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Thanks, I ran CM7 for a while, but found it quite slow and laggy on my g2. I was just wondering if anyone had found any quick ICS roms.
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If you find Andromadus Mimicry and CM7.2 too slow, than I’m afraid you need a new phone
Minicry might not be 100% stable, but it is pretty close. I think the ICS (or JB) would not be significantly faster even with official HTC kernel (without hacks).
You can overclock your phone and try different governors. This way you can improve the “smoothness” at a cost of battery life. Also be sure you are running ext4 filesystem. And a fast SD card may help too, check if it is at least class 8.
Mimicry flies for me at 1.5ghz
Andromadus test builds with JellyBean are the fastest of all I've tested so far (cm7.*, cm9.*, MIUI, stock sense ROMs etc.). There are some bugs however (in latest build - #71 - for example camera stopped working), but speed, smoothness, and all JB-related-features of this ROM are really outstanding. I believe, that all annoying bugs will be smashed really soon and my G2 will last until new nexus comes out.
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Quite slow in what sense? It's been plenty fast for me.
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Quite slow in what sense? It's been plenty fast for me.
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Both of them tend to have some VERY slow slowdown periods, where I have to take out the battery, just to get It responsive.
When I try to overclock it, anything higher than about 1209 (with smartass governor) gives me a bootloop.
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1) Flash 4EXT recovery.
2) Repartition your phone.
3) Flash either an ICS or a JB ROM.
4) Enjoy the faster phone.
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Both of them tend to have some VERY slow slowdown periods, where I have to take out the battery, just to get It responsive.
When I try to overclock it, anything higher than about 1209 (with smartass governor) gives me a bootloop.
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Sounds like you got a bit more than just rom choice for your problem, I've had neither of those issues (could even do 1500mhz if I wanted without a problem).
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1) Flash 4EXT recovery.
2) Repartition your phone.
3) Flash either an ICS or a JB ROM.
4) Enjoy the faster phone.
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Thanks, trying this now. Will post results.
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Thanks, trying this now. Will post results.
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Well, it certinaly worked. It took a little longer than expected, I forgot to make a backup . The phone is a lot faster, with no slowdown periods. The only issue I have is mentioned here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842347
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lTWL. Fast stable. And battery life is amazing!
How about sense roms?
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I'm coming from GB + CM7 rom, is the new JB or ICS much faster and still retain the phone's full functionality? I'm considering changing to Andromadus Minicry ICS/CM9. Currently, there is considerable lag when I just try to open up e-mail or respond to a text msg.
If there is much improvements, I rather just stay with my current build try not fix something that isn't (completely) broken. Is there a good way to migrate current apps over to the new rom? I'm currently running some crack apps that may not be available anymore.
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How about sense roms?
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Sense beyond 2.1/3.5(gingerbread) generally speaking is too much bloat for desirez/g2, sense 4.0A would be fine cept its been worsen and slowed down with the 3.0 kernel for sake of a working camera. The full sense 4.0 they took the kernel from is slow to the point of practically unusable on our devices.
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I'm coming from GB + CM7 rom, is the new JB or ICS much faster and still retain the phone's full functionality? I'm considering changing to Andromadus Minicry ICS/CM9. Currently, there is considerable lag when I just try to open up e-mail or respond to a text msg.
If there is much improvements, I rather just stay with my current build try not fix something that isn't (completely) broken. Is there a good way to migrate current apps over to the new rom? I'm currently running some crack apps that may not be available anymore.
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Jelly bean still has a bit of work to put into, but there are plenty of fast ICS roms (non-sense) out there with "functional" camera app (post-gb its mainly the camera people complain about)
I've found for me, ICS to be quicker/smoother than stock or CM7.2.
Regarding apps (while I don't condone piracy) titanium backup would be the solution, assuming said apps are compatible with ICS.
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If you want sense, flash sense 4.0 by geneysense it thinks the name. And then use romcleaner and flash after you flash rom and its smmoooth
Hmm, for some reason, Mimicry is giving some trouble with my google account syncing. I am trying CM9 now, to se what its like.
Sense rom next!!
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Hmm, for some reason, Mimicry is giving some trouble with my google account syncing. I am trying CM9 now, to se what its like.
Sense rom next!!
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PS: "CM9" by Jerl is not CM9 Official (ie: it didn't come from the cyanogenmod people), it's just bout the same (if not worse in my opinion) than Mimicry which is based off Andromadus which is based off Cyanogenmod 9's source. Though if you do try Jerl's port of it, I strongly advise you not to use the 3.0 kernel, too many problems with it and he apparently didn't bother testing it before releasing it (or least didn't bother to tell people the risk).
Far as google account syncing, it depends on whether or not you made sure to flash google apps afterwards, and if you accidently booted prior to flashing it, then you need to make sure to remove all your accounts on the phone then re-add them as it says in the OP of that thread.