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Looking to switch back to Sense

I have been using CyanogenMod for a while now, but I want to give Sense another try. I have a couple quick questions.
- Are there any Sense ROMs that are a fairly decent balance of fast and stable? I can deal with the occasional force close if the ROM is significantly faster than another, but I'd say stability is more of a priority to me.
- I don't particularly like the Sense People and Calendar apps (I've found they're a bit slower than the AOSP apps). Can I just install the AOSP versions without major stability issues? If yes, would the Sense dialer still be able to pull from the AOSP Contacts app?
Thanks in advance.
Edit: I omitted one thing. I'd say that stability is the most important aspect, followed by battery life. I know battery life is mostly determined by the kernel. Can anyone recommend a good Sense kernel as well?
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I would try WarmZ 2.2 or Incredibly Re-Engineered both of those are sense 2.0 and are stable and fast. I liked both. But it's up to you!
Kernel wise, the kernels they come with worked great for me.

SkyRaider 3.5 w/Lou's #8 - slick....
4.0 is due out very soon.

Nils business z with ziggys latest bfs wo havs kernel is very stable with xcellent battery
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Z ROMs are nice, and quick, but there's been a spattering of reports on phantom calls and reboots. Hence, I would not say they are fully stable and dependable. There are also some quirks when using some apps (e.g. swype keyboard).
In my experience, you need to stick with 100% incredible framework if you value stability and reliability. I am a huge fan of both IncROM and Magnolia. They are both very fast in my book, and everything works out of the box, so to speak. When SR 4 hits in a few days it may be great as well.
To your question about contacts...
No, you cannot simply install AOSP versions onto a Sense ROM. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I've never had any issues with swype on z roms or had any random reboots or phantom calls (I'm not even sure exactly what that refers to). I've usually used the warm z nightlies. Guess it just depends on the phone/rom.
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Okay, I have tried Incredibly Reengineered and IncROM. Are there any good ROMs that have more of a stock Sense look to them? I dont like all the transparency and custom colors and etc..
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Redemption.

k_nivesout said:
I've never had any issues with swype on z roms or had any random reboots or phantom calls (I'm not even sure exactly what that refers to). I've usually used the warm z nightlies. Guess it just depends on the phone/rom.
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yeah, the issue I'm referring to is more of an annoyance. You know, how the Sense copy/paste functions cover up the Swype word choices when you double-click a word to correct it? It's the little things....Still, I am very torn between Z-ROMs and Inc ROMs because I do like many other things about the Z.

raptir said:
Okay, I have tried Incredibly Reengineered and IncROM. Are there any good ROMs that have more of a stock Sense look to them? I dont like all the transparency and custom colors and etc..
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SkyRaider 3.5, and then 4.0 when it is released (you can look at image previews of 4.0 through ROM manager if you wish).

Epicardium said:
yeah, the issue I'm referring to is more of an annoyance. You know, how the Sense copy/paste functions cover up the Swype word choices when you double-click a word to correct it? It's the little things....Still, I am very torn between Z-ROMs and Inc ROMs because I do like many other things about the Z.
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Oh ok, I never ran into that but I see what you mean. I think after we get the ota update things will be a lot smoother in regards to some of the z rom issues. Assuming we get an updated sense that is..
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Epicardium said:
Z ROMs are nice, and quick, but........ There are also some quirks when using some apps (e.g. swype keyboard). ............
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I use Swype. I also ask annoyed by that issue with the cut and paste option blocking the word choice/edit on MIUI. I assumed it was part of Gingerbread. Not so?
Edit- pls excuse my blunder. Of course Warm Z is not GB so that answers my question. Then again MIUI is AOSP and also has that.
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My strong recommendation would be Magnolia. Options are superb.. battery is splendid... and the developer entertains personal requests.
Best stable and aesthetically pleasing rom for me.

warm z 2.2 nightly 4/14 is amazing. ziggys new kernel is in it and my phone has never been so smooth and snappy while on a sense rom. sense 2.0 is also a plus

sruel3216 said:
warm z 2.2 nightly 4/14 is amazing. ziggys new kernel is in it and my phone has never been so smooth and snappy while on a sense rom. sense 2.0 is also a plus
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Yup
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Okay, I'll give Warm Z a shot. I'm using SkyRaider, and while I like the ROM, the battery life is very poor compared to what I was used to with CM7. I'm looking at under two hours of 3g browsing on a charge.
Tried both Chad's kernel as well as Lou's 8, and found similar results.
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raptir said:
Okay, I'll give Warm Z a shot. I'm using SkyRaider, and while I like the ROM, the battery life is very poor compared to what I was used to with CM7. I'm looking at under two hours of 3g browsing on a charge.
Tried both Chad's kernel as well as Lou's 8, and found similar results.
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That's gotta be some kind of mistake. I've had the best battery life on Skyraider. I usually can get near 18 hours or more...

Well, what kernel are you using? Also, I did find that if I get rid of all my widgets I get better battery life, but that kind of makes Sense seem silly...
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I get fantastic battery off nils business z with ziggys kernel
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Which ICS to choose?

ICS roms and updates seem to be constantly released. I've not tested one since the very first release. But now there's ~5 different releases. If anyone has tried them all, is there one that's particularly stable or good enough for a DD?
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None are FULLY functional yet, but you can try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428866
So far the Camera doesn't work among other things, but I think it's a good place to start to have a feel of what ICS would feel like on our phones

kishan4910 said:
ICS roms and updates seem to be constantly released. I've not tested one since the very first release. But now there's ~5 different releases. If anyone has tried them all, is there one that's particularly stable or good enough for a DD?
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CM9!! when it comes it will be awesome!!.........if it ever comes lol

I would have to say Quattro. Its too smooth I ran it for about two days but I was missing FM radio. I would suggest give it a spin.
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Hands down, Quattro

For me, none of the available ICS ROMs.
I appreciate the great effort of all the devs but having a dd without a working camera is not an option.

I gave Andromadus beta 8 a go last night. Got to admit, I'm not liking the new look. My problem is just with the recent apps list. on gb, i use it constantly as it holds all the apps i ever use so i never have to go searching through the app list. But the new version is a lot of effort having to scroll and manage apps. Plus the app listis annoying itself having to swipe horizontally. i assume I'd need to change launchers for that. Oh well, back to gb it is.
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Hey man I have tried all the roms at the moment and my vote goes to andromadus alpha 8
Its stable fast and it doesn't have those random app glitches that virtuos quattro has
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+1 for quattro
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Tried Both Andromadus and Quattro and have to say that Quattro feels better so far.

Have tried the Virtous Quattro beta, and its really great looking at this stage. A shame the camera is so hard to get working. Except from the missing camera, this ROM can IMO easily be used for everyday use at the current stage.

+1 for Quattro....Beta 3 is rockin....
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Slight edge to Quattro! To get rid of graphical glitches:
Turn off auto rotate
Disable ALL animation
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Can someone tell me how to turn on my back lighting please.
Oh, and also have this major graphical glitch.

deliriousDroid said:
Can someone tell me how to turn on my back lighting please.
Oh, and also have this major graphical glitch.
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I'm guessing that you are referring to the keyboard back lights, these currently only work when you have automatic brightness enabled.
I have the same graphical glitches occasionally, a temporary fix is to manually stop the launcher in system settings.

None of them. Honestly it's frustrating for us users when the updates are once every 2 days, and we have to deal with constant reflashing of roms + all the random errors that will occur.
Just be patient and wait for CM9.
I tried Quattro and there were graphical glitches among other things.
ILWT, anyone?

I tried andromadus an quattro. But none has a well performance and all drained to much battery. On my Opinion you should wait for a final release, not trying all these alpha-beta version
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My opinion. Try them just to get the feel of them and have fun playing with it. And yeah, battery life blows
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I have tried several ICS roms over the last few weeks. LOADS of updates and alpha/beta. Basically I've been enjoying seeing the dev's work develop. I've tried
Taz's desire z port
Andromadus
Flemmard's original betas which became part of virtuous quattro
I've not tried every revision of these but almost!
With all I have been going back to my highly tuned very stable virtuous affinity DD but I am now on Quattro genuinely as a DD. It is very smooth and stable. With beta 6 I am struggling to recreate the graphical glitches that have been an issue. The features being added are all useful and add something to the rom. Overall very impressed.
Obviously no camera yet and yep almost daily updates is to be expected with betas but that's part of the fun!
Interesting to see what the virtuous team do to distinguish their rom if/when CM9 is released on vision. Unity/Affinity had a substantial userbase due to their super slick/smooth 'almost stock to look at' sense based roms. I don't envisage htc releasing a sense ics for vision so they will have to produce something virtuous from a pure android ics - looking forward to it.

Currently using Virtuous Quattro as my DD. Running quite well for me.
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Custom roms pros and cons?

So I'm really thinking about installing cm7 as I'm tired of the sad battery life on the MT4G, however, I'm finding it somewhat difficult to weigh the other pros and cons of switching from stock. There are plenty of threads and videos on how to do this, and plenty that talk about speed, but that doesn't really help answer my questions about functionality unfortunately.
Here's the thing: There are certain things in the stock rom that I don't want to lose in the process and I can't seem to figure out what I will gain and lose by switching.
Here's what I know so far about switching:
- I will have a longer battery life.
- I will lose the genius button functionality, but I can install that separately, so no big deal. I use this for texting handsfree while driving - just connect an audio cable to my stereo.
- The bloat is gone.
Here's what I can't figure out:
- How does the homescreen function without sense? Does it look the same? Do I maintain the built in widget sets?
- Do I lose the quick settings option from the status bar?
- Will my phone still wake using the trackpad?
- Will all the major abilities and apps function normally? Specifically messaging, Google browser, long press shortcuts (ie send link to: X using Y app), alarms, camera, GPS?
Opinions, advice?
TMO MT4G unlocked/rooted with Wind Mobile, running 2.3.4 (pre security update)

I suggest to move to one of the new non-T-Mobile Sense versions. Sense 3 or 3.5.
You'll retain the functionality that you want, gain some new one, most likely gain battery life, and won't lose the good sides of Sense that you're used to (widgets etc).
In the worst case, it's just a simple trial and error process - you can try different ROMs, and if you decide that stock suited you better than everything - you'll be able to install it, and probably even tweaked and customizable version of it.

I didn't know that there was such a thing. I don't mind losing the ”prettiness” of sense, I just need the functionality to be there.
Any rom names off the top of your head that I can look for?
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nuclearbroccoli said:
I didn't know that there was such a thing. I don't mind losing the ”prettiness” of sense, I just need the functionality to be there.
Any rom names off the top of your head that I can look for?
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Virtuous Unity Sense 3.0
Virtuous Affinity Sense 3.5
DARKSIDE SENSE 3.5
RCMix3D Sense 3.5
these are all the top Sense Sense ROMs for the MT4G.

Thanks, I'll take a look at those and see if they suit my needs.

nuclearbroccoli said:
Thanks, I'll take a look at those and see if they suit my needs.
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oh, and if you want something in between... check out my ROM
InfernoSense v4.0 by Team Inferno

nuclearbroccoli said:
Here's what I know so far about switching:
- I will have a longer battery life.
- I will lose the genius button functionality, but I can install that separately, so no big deal. I use this for texting handsfree while driving - just connect an audio cable to my stereo.
- The bloat is gone.
Here's what I can't figure out:
- How does the homescreen function without sense? I don't even get this question. Does it look the same? Different types of Android look different from one another. Sense has its look. TouchWiz has its. Vanilla Android has its. Do I maintain the built in widget sets? If you go with another Sense ROM, then yes, you will most likely have more sense most ROM here now are 3.0 or 3.5.
- Do I lose the quick settings option from the status bar? In most of the aftermarket ROMs, you will gain more quick settings. Read about the ROMs offered here.
- Will my phone still wake using the trackpad? Most of the ROMs have incorporated this into the build.
- Will all the major abilities and apps function normally? Apps? Yes. Abilities? Depends on the ROM. Some have a few bugs, others don't. Camera seems to be a big issues on this aftermarket sense ROMs, but there's usually a fix somewhere in the thread for that ROM. Specifically messaging, Google browser, long press shortcuts (ie send link to: X using Y app), alarms, camera, GPS?
Opinions, advice? After market ROMs are smoother than stock ROMs and obviously have better battery life as you know. They have much more that you can customize depending on the ROM. After market ROMs are ALWAYS better than stock. So, have fun choosing. Personally, I'm on Core Droid.
TMO MT4G unlocked/rooted with Wind Mobile, running 2.3.4 (pre security update)
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See above in read for answers.

personally this is the best sense rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1384217

I always end up having issues with sense 3.5 roms and won't recommend them to anyone. Vu 2.39 is amazing though. There is also some mysense roms out there that will look just like your stock phone, I can think of about 3 off the top of my head.
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Ok, a lot of good info.
How about opinions on the least buggy rom available at the present?
Reliability is good too.
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Cm7.2 gigglebread/euroskank with tdj's kernel.can't say enough about it.
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nuclearbroccoli said:
Ok, a lot of good info.
How about opinions on the least buggy rom available at the present?
Reliability is good too.
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Least buggy and most reliable is cm7.1 stable. Vu 2.39 is awesome and of course my debloated stock mysense is great too. Best on battery is cm7 though.
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What happened to royalginger and iced glacier?

Virtuous Unity is a great start I'd say.

NovoRei said:
What happened to royalginger and iced glacier?
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I think you can find both of those on acs website.
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i've been using virtuous unity 2.39 ever since it went to a stable build. it has good battery life (better then stock) and the performance is great if you like the sense roms. if not i would cay cm7 is also the other one that you should try

if you wanted to go throwback, you could use cm6. I always got better battery life on it than with cm7 back when i used it... try miui. theme it if the looks bother you.
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Virtuous Unity looks pretty good, so I'll probably go with that once I figure out how too add the swype keyboard....
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nuclearbroccoli said:
Virtuous Unity looks pretty good, so I'll probably go with that once I figure out how too add the swype keyboard....
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Go to swype website and download the beta installer. Easiest way.
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I use Darkside Sense V4.0..(android 2.3.5) i like it, i have no issues at all..

How to ROOT and UPGRADE T-Mobile G2 to Ice Cream Sandwich?

Hi guys,
I'm sort of a noob when it comes to this sort of stuff. But essentially, I would like to root my phone so I can have added functionality, and upgrade my OS to ice cream sandwich because HTC decided not to include us on the ICS list.
Is there some sort of a definitive guide to do this?
Thanks

Instead of opening useless threads do some research type your question into google surely ull get your answer
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Follow the minus link in my signature for a complete guide to downgrade to froyo and root. After that you can download any ics rom of your choice an flash on your device.
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EDIT: Here's the updated link http://d-h.st/j97

Check out the XDA Wiki on the HTC Vision/G2 Phone. They have everything you need to know about rooting and downgrading and even unrooting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/HTC_Vision
As far as the ICS Rom, you can use which ever one you want. I'm using the CyanogenMod 9 RC2 Unofficial ROM and it works great (camera is fully functional!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492461
Hope this helps and gives you an idea about where to start

try andromadus audacity beta 5, best ICS experience yet

mazdarati2 said:
try andromadus audacity beta 5, best ICS experience yet
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Seemed mimicry would be a better way to start off. *shrug* Course I can't really comment much on that as I've not tried Audacity (and not even sure how it differs from mimicry), only tried mimicry out of the Andromadus releases and that was actually quite smooth and lag-free for me.

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Seemed mimicry would be a better way to start off. *shrug* Course I can't really comment much on that as I've not tried Audacity (and not even sure how it differs from mimicry), only tried mimicry out of the Andromadus releases and that was actually quite smooth and lag-free for me.
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nah little 1 problem of mimicry was i couldn't get twitter notifications, even when enabled. but audacity has less lag then mimicry for me, i can play dead space well on audacity but not good on mimicry

mazdarati2 said:
nah little 1 problem of mimicry was i couldn't get twitter notifications, even when enabled. but audacity has less lag then mimicry for me, i can play dead space well on audacity but not good on mimicry
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When you installed mimicry you likely installed v6 supercharger, which is geared towards multitasking.
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No volume down key
Is it still possible to downgrade and root my phone with no volume down key. The button fell out when i was opening up the back of my phone trying to fix the LCD. i dont want a how to in doing it, i just need to know if anyone else ran into this problem and was still able to do so.

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Is it still possible to downgrade and root my phone with no volume down key. The button fell out when i was opening up the back of my phone trying to fix the LCD. i dont want a how to in doing it, i just need to know if anyone else ran into this problem and was still able to do so.
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You could install 4ext touch recovery and use that, but I believe the recoveries available to use support trackpad up/down in addition to volume navigation, though you might get stuck in the bootloader as I don't believe those keys work there.
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with debugging turned on your phone you can reboot to recovery that way, so my guess you will be just fine
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I too am looking to upgrade to ICS 4.0. I now have GB 2.3.4. I read a post that I needed to downgrade back to Froyo the root then upgrade to ICS. Is this true? I am a noobie so any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks :good:

That is correct follow the xda wiki or cyanogen wiki on how to
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Ok my search-fu is weak. Is there a how to guide to ROOT and UPGRADE a T-Mobile G2 to ICS on a MAC?
Thanks in advance.

Same thing for the most part on mac and linux, just follow strawmetals pdf guide in the 3rd or fourth post
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G2 Slim Or Virtuous G-lite

I was just wondering which one is better for speed, battery life and their UI's. I have given up on the Sense roms, too slow and buggy.
Thanks
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masterleron said:
I was just wondering which one is better for speed, battery life and their UI's. I have given up on the Sense roms, too slow and buggy.
Thanks
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I know I've seen your name in the forums before, but forget what you're using now. Have you tried either of the EliteMod versions (one CM7, one ICS?) I'm using the latter now and very happy with it for speed, battery and UI (Apex launcher.)

prairie-dad said:
I know I've seen your name in the forums before, but forget what you're using now. Have you tried either of the EliteMod versions (one CM7, one ICS?) I'm using the latter now and very happy with it for speed, battery and UI (Apex launcher.)
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I second this, for ICS either elitemod or Andromadus mimicry. Apex launcher.
Though for gingerbread, I'd say elitemod CM7 or g2slim.
Also for an even faster and lighter launcher there is lightning launcher.
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prairie-dad said:
I know I've seen your name in the forums before, but forget what you're using now. Have you tried either of the EliteMod versions (one CM7, one ICS?) I'm using the latter now and very happy with it for speed, battery and UI (Apex launcher.)
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Yeash, I must ask a lot of questions then, lol. I am currently on Gen. Y Vision B5. However I have found it very slow and buggy. I have also tried Andromadus Mimicry. It was the best i'd seen, but I wanted something which had better battery life.
Will have a look at EliteMod Now.
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ILWT for me...

MIUI
Better battery life + Good Look = its definitely MIUI
from my experience MIUI has the best battery life.. abt 2 hours of music, txting, wifi, browsing and total of 30min calling, yet i always come home above 30%

Dryize said:
Better battery life + Good Look = its definitely MIUI
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I know that I've asked this before but does these ROMs set the phone's CPU to a default speed? Or do you do that yourself by using something like the SetCPU app?
I'm in the process of rooting my phone and will be looking at GB ROMs such as MIUI, ILWT and CM7.

GrievousMcG said:
I know that I've asked this before but does these ROMs set the phone's CPU to a default speed? Or do you do that yourself by using something like the SetCPU app?
I'm in the process of rooting my phone and will be looking at GB ROMs such as MIUI, ILWT and CM7.
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MIUI doesn't have a built in feature to set CPU speeds. But most other CM based roms does have such option built in. Look for something like Performance->CPU in settings. There you can set a CPU governor too

I thought MIUI was discontinued for our devices?

It is confusing because of the several Miui sites. But that is the impression I get, too. I just spent a certain amount of time looking, and failed to come up with anything current.
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Yes they discontinued support for the vision after gingerbread. Anything found that is android 4.0 or higher will be ports, not to say they will be good or bad but they won't be specific to our phones
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kbeezie said:
I thought MIUI was discontinued for our devices?
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Yes it is... But it is stable and it has every feature needed. I have used MIUI without restarting for more than a week. No glitches though. But sure can use extra stuff like miui_bulletproof_pack, though Im not using it.
Its a stable rom + with super cool look + good performance and good battery life. What else do we need

masterleron said:
I was just wondering which one is better for speed, battery life and their UI's. I have given up on the Sense roms, too slow and buggy.
Thanks
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I've tried both and performance and stability wise I'd go with glite not that slim isn't good
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Tried G-Lite, however it had some simple bugs such as the screen timeout not working. .
Back to Mimicry.
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masterleron said:
Tried G-Lite, however it had some simple bugs such as the screen timeout not working. .
Back to Mimicry.
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G-light hands down its fast stable gives you the option of choosing kernels before flashing (conservative HTC kernel or full featured kernel capable of 1.4ghz Oc) . As for issues their ain't none I've been using g-light since it came to play . The screen issue must of been a bad flash
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