There's no denying that as it stands the SG2 is the fastest android smartphone out now. I don't own one but based on what i'm hearing its crazy fast. My question is with its speed would it benefit from the hardware acceleration that comes with ICS?? Does the UI in this phone running as smooth as an iphone or the Samsung Galaxy Nexus without hardware acceleration? Or despite its speed does it occasionally still stutter in between screens from time to time or jumping in between apps??
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There's no denying that as it stands the SG2 is the fastest android smartphone out now. I don't own one but based on what i'm hearing its crazy fast. My question is with its speed would it benefit from the hardware acceleration that comes with ICS?? Does the UI in this phone running as smooth as an iphone or the Samsung Galaxy Nexus without hardware acceleration? Or despite its speed does it occasionally still stutter in between screens from time to time or jumping in between apps??
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I think its just the browser that is using hwa right now, if its using hwa in UI on ICS it would really make a difference. Maybe not in the time it takes for stuff to happen but overall smoothness, wich imo is not there yet
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Hmm....that's slightly disappointing. I was hoping this phone would be just as smooth out the box based on what everyone is saying about its speed.....well thank God for ICS, cuz the stuttery UI is the androids OS main Achilles heel....we'll see what happens
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Well - it isn't really the "stuttering" people hate about android. Others think it isn't polished like IOS. Not to mention since it's so new - there isn't a lot of "good" apps for it.
With ICS - it'll take use of the graphic processor for the UI so that the primary dual core processor can focus on the tasks. In gingerbread, the processor is doing everything / and the graphic is only doing games. =/
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In gingerbread, the processor is doing everything / and the graphic is only doing games. =/
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You forgot HW accelerated video playback and internet browser ;-) Also, you can always download and use stock Gingerbread launcher, which uses HW acceleration too, AFAIK.
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Well,as long as you don't underclock the device it's buttery smooth.To avoid confusion,Samsung's TouchWiz is hardware accelerated and it's as smooth as the iPhone etc.But even with alternative launchers it's really really smooth.I hate even the slightest hints of lag/stuttering and get annoyed very easily.With the S2 I haven't been annoyed for a long long time(well,sometimes things go wrong when you mess with the device just too much ).
Gingerbread offers HWA, browser, video processing, touchwiz 4.0 to name a few.
However, ICS is 'supposed' to take HWA one step further and fully optimize our high specs - mainly our GPU.
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Well,as long as you don't underclock the device it's buttery smooth.To avoid confusion,Samsung's TouchWiz is hardware accelerated and it's as smooth as the iPhone etc.But even with alternative launchers it's really really smooth.I hate even the slightest hints of lag/stuttering and get annoyed very easily.With the S2 I haven't been annoyed for a long long time(well,sometimes things go wrong when you mess with the device just too much ).
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Touchwiz 4.0 is hardware accelerated?? Wow, that's awesome!! I guess I'm trying to wonder why isn't or wasn't hardware acceleration implemented in the android os long ago???
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Touchwiz 4.0 is hardware accelerated?? Wow, that's awesome!! I guess I'm trying to wonder why isn't or wasn't hardware acceleration implemented in the android os long ago???
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Its up to the manufacturers to add this in. HTC has done it with sense 3 as well.
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Its up to the manufacturers to add this in. HTC has done it with sense 3 as well.
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Htc have hardware accelerated sense 3.0? it's laggy as hell.
Google devs simply didn't deem it necessary, also because not all of the android devices had a decent gpu at the beginning, but obviously all of them had a cpu. They told devs not to do garbage collection regarding this issue, which is imho a very weak strategy. Good that they changed their mind with ICS at least: better late than never, but ofc never late would be better
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Htc have hardware accelerated sense 3.0? it's laggy as hell.
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Sense 3 is smooth as butter animation wise. Its bloated that makes it laggy.
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Sense 3 is smooth as butter animation wise. Its bloated that makes it laggy.
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Browser also hwa?
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Nope.
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Lol Sense is a piece of ****
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Lol Sense is a piece of ****
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Not ! Touchwiz is crap sense is awesome and it doesn't lag either sense 3.5 SON
MyTouch HD (Black)
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Dark Side Sense 3.3 !
I own both HTC Sensation and Galaxy S2, I put Android Revolution ROM on the sensation and its smooth and fast, even when I downclock it to 800mhz.
I think by default Hardware Acceleration is not enabled for sense 3.0, the rom fixed that and to be fair.. I really like the sense interface and in terms of software, HTC is really ahead and offers better execution than Samsung.
Speed wise, the galaxy s2 is much much faster even when down clocked to 800mhz, I'm on VillianROM 3.0 and everyhing is flying.... I never liked the stock browser, my browser choice is Dolphin Browser MINI cos its fast and no lag and it can download from multiupload sites
I much prefer Sense over TW, it's a very polished ui, while instead TW is a complete mess: the colors are put together randomly and the overall feeling is that it's much less refined and elegant. TW looks like something designed for kids, while instead Sense has more of a business look, which i like much better. What actually stopped me from getting the Sensation is the fact that it actually performs much worse compared to the GS2, and lacks internal memory. I also got used to AMOLED screens so now i don't wanna go back to LCD because it feels like downgrading. But hey, this is kinda ot
Touchwiz 4.0 is awesome.
All videos of sense ive seen are laggy crap.
TW4 adds some nice features, simple to use and is hardware accellerated - just what i want from a launcher.
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Guys what is a aosp rom.. Like whats special about it and hows it differ from a regular rom?
a rom built from the android opensource project (http://source.android.com/). it's what people call 'vanilla' or pure android.
how is it special? its not, really. it's just free of carrier bloat and manufacturer skins which some people prefer.
Does it offer any performance improvements? Like hardware acceleration for example. And also most roms on here are free of.manufactire bloat.
no improvements, it's the same os (for example, 2.2.1 aosp is the same 2.2.1 on the sgs4g, just without tw and carrier bloat). basically, manufacturers take the aosp code and then build their skins/software on top of them, so an aosp rom may run faster, but that's because it's running less code (it's not running sense, blur, tw, etc. on top of the android os), but that also depends on how the manufacturer code is integrated with the os.
Ive heard some people say it could be the opposite too. Some of the manufacturers ui enhances the specific hardware for each phone.
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Ive heard some people say it could be the opposite too. Some of the manufacturers ui enhances the specific hardware for each phone.
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Like TouchWiz. It's completely built for the hardware in the Galaxy S, so it does speed up the Hummingbird, but nowhere near the optimizations that Gingerbread gives us.
Plus it gives some cool features. Like fonts and a better camera and music player.
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Aosp (android open source project) has no shell (software by manufacturers or carrier) so what you get is the pure Android operating system.
Some like it some don't it is ok what is nice about it is if you are rooted (which you most likely are) you can add back just the apps you want so there is no extra bloat on the phone.
interesting!
okay i tried cm7 but i notice that it doesnt have hardware acceleration on the browser like simply honey 3.6 and or 2.2.1 roms like biwinning? So i guess the browser is not optimised for hummingbird on aosp???
It is but the browser on bi winning is touchwiz and Samsung had hardware acceleration on that
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Also TouchWiz has codecs installed for playing back 720p mkvs and xvid/divx files natively. It uses less battery cause its using the gpu in our phone instead of the cpu (uses more battery) which some apps on the Market do.
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then why is cm7 so popular? i really dont get it, just because its a aosp rom??
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then why is cm7 so popular? i really dont get it, just because its a aosp rom??
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Yeah plus you can customize the hell out of it. It also usually has great battery on stable releases.
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ohhh, coooll.....
Download spare parts from the market and set window and transition animations to fast.
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It works (at least for my eyes). Even the slight lag I'd experienced seems to be gone, and my Gnote feels snappier than before. Could be subjective but I'm happy with it.
Thanks for the tip.
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But isn't it fastEST with 'no animations' set?
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But isn't it fastEST with 'no animations' set?
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Yes... it is.
I have tried both settings and don't see significant difference.
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Which Spare Parts? There's more than one. Thanks
Spare Parts Plus (DroidGram)
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didn't work for me either, in fact it got slower on go launcher ex. using custom animation speed with GL EX
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Download spare parts from the market and set window and transition animations to fast.
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Many thanks mate.
Made a noticeable bump in speed for me. Excellent!
Thanks for the app, sometimes I just felt it's a shame that you have to download a third party app to boost up the phone or do anything normally which the every smartphones must have when it born. This is why everyone is rooting as stock rom sucks?
Thanks for the find robdee102.
Are there any other settings we can change to increase the speed of the phone?
The device doesnt get any faster, its deception. The length of the animated transition equals about the time needed for the application to load. Turning off the animation or setting it to happen faster only results in the animation being finished before the app's interface is fully loaded and the user looking at a blank black or white screen for a split second... Because the zoom or swipe effect happens faster one gets the feeling the device actually being faster; which in reality it isn't.
Thanks for listening. My 2ยข.
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Good explanation, i like the look of it with faster animations. And yeah gives the impression of a quicker device. Better than slowwwww...
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Good explanation, i like the look of it with faster animations. And yeah gives the impression of a quicker device. Better than slowwwww...
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Yeah, there's DEFINATELY a difference, it feels more responsive, going through menus, etc...
I'm not denying it feels quicker. On the contrary. But because everyone around you suddenly walks slow doesnt make you walk any quicker ;-)
It was very noticeable on older devices with only 500ish MHz and 192MB of RAM, like the original G1/Dream/Sapphire and the likes. Those guys needed the extra time to launch an app and load the UI. Now with 1Gig, dedicated GPU and dualcore CPUs we are talking milliseconds. It really doesnt matter anymore...
A shame not all functions of Spareparts are supported though...
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Is the world aware how good ics is is and how well it runs on the nexus s. Is even the android community aware. This phone needs a new review just because of pics. Probably not but man I got this phone for 100 dollars off Craigslist and man is this a hidden gem. This is the perfect phone for most people.
Man I wish my epic touch had pure ics on it right now.
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Patience grasshopper. We will get our ICS on the ET4G soon enough
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Is the world aware how good ics is is and how well it runs on the nexus s. Is even the android community aware. This phone needs a new review just because of pics. Probably not but man I got this phone for 100 dollars off Craigslist and man is this a hidden gem. This is the perfect phone for most people.
Man I wish my epic touch had pure ics on it right now.
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I agree, this phone was nice with GB but with ICS this machine is amazing. The best part about it is that this is only the begining
Hopefully thismeans we will be the fixed icsics
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I'm quite curious though, is the new smoothness due to the forced gpu rendering? Is anyone runnning stock ICS but without 'forced gpu rendering' checked in dev settings that can give some feedback on its smoothness? I do know that scrolling anywhere now is much smoother compared to GB, almost as if animations were running in a priority thread like they do in fruit phones.
I leave hardware accel off and it is still exceptionally smooth, though not AS much with the stock kernel. Cannot notice much difference between the two with GLaDOS.
I'm pretty much in agreement with the thread starter. The ICS upgrade is amazing. Very smooth and fast. Everything seems so much better just as any upgrade should be. And also the new UI and graphics are great.
Its funny reading everywhere now about just about every handset waiting and or crying for ICS update. Most won't see it till the second half of next year.
I love my nexus even more than ever.
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also I'm running stock ICS rom with stock kernel...the kernel has been slightly modified for voodoo support.
Getting great battery life too. Thankfully none of the infamous 'android OS bug' so far.
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Agreed, ics kicks a$$.
A few things that could have been included that weren't, lucky for us those there's the nova launcher that's shaping up really nice and adds what ics should have had in the first place.
I'm running my phone on background process limit of x3 and no gpu redering with nova launcher and it's amazingly fast and smooth with no lag whatsoever, even when entering the app drawer.
As it's been said, things will only get better and I also think the Nexus S needs new reviews doing on it.
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also I'm running stock ICS rom with stock kernel...the kernel has been slightly modified for voodoo support.
Getting great battery life too. Thankfully none of the infamous 'android OS bug' so far.
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What kernel are you using? Thanks
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also I'm running stock ICS rom with stock kernel...the kernel has been slightly modified for voodoo support.
Getting great battery life too. Thankfully none of the infamous 'android OS bug' so far.
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What kernel are u using exactly? I have a very bad battery life + random reboots
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What kernel are u using exactly? I have a very bad battery life + random reboots
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Ive been using the stock ICS kernel modified for voodoo support. Its in the stock ICS kernel thread started by eugene373 in the nexus s development forums.
I made sure to wipe cache and the dalvik cache before installation. Im at 17 hours now with battery still at 32 percent with almost 2 hours screen on.
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It blows my mind to think of what will happen in the next six months with this phone. I have a feeling the nexus might go back into production if it keeps getting better.
It kills me my girlfriend has no idea what she is using.
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It really is. I love my NS even more with ICS, altough my experience with it in Gingerbread has only been about 2 weeks. Previously I was using Gingerbread (CM7) in a ZTE Blade and, as an interaction experience (regarding solely the OS), ICS beats it to a pulp. Now it's a waiting game until all the quirks are solved
has anyone tried the microbes live wallpaper. Im using stock ICS, stock kernel, non-rooted and it is just laggy as hell. Rest of the phone is ok, but i wouldnt call it buttery smooth
The microbes live wallpaper is definitely more hardware intensive than most of the others. It would likely be -slightly- better with a different kernel, but i can't see the Nexus S being powerful enough to breeze through it.
Live wallpapers for me use too much battery for too little eyecandy, though to each their own.
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The microbes live wallpaper is definitely more hardware intensive than most of the others. It would likely be -slightly- better with a different kernel, but i can't see the Nexus S being powerful enough to breeze through it.
Live wallpapers for me use too much battery for too little eyecandy, though to each their own.
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At first I thought so too, but now I'm not so sure. It wasn't this bad in gjngerbread albeit 2.3 seemed a lot lighter and less ram intensive than ics. Also I ran the microbes lwp on my old g2 and it ran a lot better than my nexus s. I think its more of a software issue but I'm no dev.
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The only thing killing me is the lack of RAM. I really wished that Google went with 768+ MB.
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The only thing killing me is the lack of RAM. I really wished that Google went with 768+ MB.
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They did...in the Galaxy Nexus.
- chris
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has anyone tried the microbes live wallpaper. Im using stock ICS, stock kernel, non-rooted and it is just laggy as hell. Rest of the phone is ok, but i wouldnt call it buttery smooth
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Im got microbes swimmin around, no issues at all. stock ICS, stock kernel, rooted.
it shows its only using 3.7MB
How I get android 2.3.5 on tab 7.7???
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How I get android 2.3.5 on tab 7.7???
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why would you want to?
Its The fastest System on dual Core. Ics we have to wait min. 3 month:-(
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Its The fastest System on dual Core. Ics we have to wait min. 3 month:-(
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Ummm... sorry, but you are flat out wrong... For starters, HC 3.2 supports hardware GPU acceleration of the UI out of the box. GB 2.3.x does not.
Have you seen how GB looks on the Note? Same basic specs as our 7.7 here, as far as screen res, CPU, GPU, etc.
I have both devices, and I can tell you for a fact that my 7.7 running HC 3.2 absolutely spanks my Note on GB, all while running circles around it.
Specifically what speed issues do you think you're having with your 7.7, and what measure have you taken, thus far, to resolve those issues?
The hardest isue is the same sluggish Touchscreen response like the galaxy tab 10.1. There is verry extremly when you scroll on the side with one finger ob the side. I also have both devices and for me the note is extremly Raster:-( Ok, the Note ist in 1.6 ghz bitte i feel the note is faster.
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The hardest isue is the same sluggish Touchscreen response like the galaxy tab 10.1. There is verry extremly when you scroll on the side with one finger ob the side. I also have both devices and for me the note is extremly Raster:-( Ok, the Note ist in 1.6 ghz bitte i feel the note is faster.
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Firstly, both devices are clocked at 1.4ghz. I'm not sure where you're getting the 1.6ghz figure. I know that the LTE versions of the Note are clocked at 1.5ghz, but that's because they use a different, and arguably inferior, chipset.
As for overall smoothness, performance, and responsiveness, have you seen how smooth the 7.7 can be when you use something other than TouchWiz?
Seriously, the issue here isn't Honeycomb, it's TouchWiz.
Its an overclocked Kernel @1664 mhz! The tab is really very smooth, but the tochscreen response is the badest thing on the 7.7:-( I wait for this device very long time and i wish no other!!! When i worked with the note scrolling on the screen is very smooth the same on the s2 and the iphone, but on the tab is the same lssue like the tab 10.1:-( I think its a Honeycomb problem:-( Go with your finger on the right side in the browser and scroll up and down. Do the same thing on your Note and you would see what i mean:-(
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Have you tried touchscreentune on the market?
There is an older version floating around on xda with less features but it crashes on honeycomb.
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Yes but its the wrong driver:-(
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Firstly, both devices are clocked at 1.4ghz. I'm not sure where you're getting the 1.6ghz figure. I know that the LTE versions of the Note are clocked at 1.5ghz, but that's because they use a different, and arguably inferior, chipset.
As for overall smoothness, performance, and responsiveness, have you seen how smooth the 7.7 can be when you use something other than TouchWiz?
Seriously, the issue here isn't Honeycomb, it's TouchWiz.
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Dammn Jade Eyed Wolf!!!
Fantastic video...... Yours sure does run slick...
I want to set mine up like yours as far as your launcher.
Now I have NO experience at changing launchers,
So If you could do a video on HOW TO set up AWD EX like yours AFTER we've installed it... that would be great & we'd all be forever in your debt.
NO LAG... I love it...
So please consider a walk thru with your set up settings and a how do do it once I get AWD EX bought and installed..
That tab of yours screams!!!!
Thanks...
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Dammn Jade Eyed Wolf!!!
Fantastic video...... Yours sure does run slick...
I want to set mine up like yours as far as your launcher.
Now I have NO experience at changing launchers,
So If you could do a video on HOW TO set up AWD EX like yours AFTER we've installed it... that would be great & we'd all be forever in your debt.
NO LAG... I love it...
So please consider a walk thru with your set up settings and a how do do it once I get AWD EX bought and installed..
That tab of yours screams!!!!
Thanks...
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Thanks for the feedback good sir! I'll post a how-to video as soon as I have the time. Subscribe to me on YouTube to stay updated!
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Its an overclocked Kernel @1664 mhz! The tab is really very smooth, but the tochscreen response is the badest thing on the 7.7:-( I wait for this device very long time and i wish no other!!! When i worked with the note scrolling on the screen is very smooth the same on the s2 and the iphone, but on the tab is the same lssue like the tab 10.1:-( I think its a Honeycomb problem:-( Go with your finger on the right side in the browser and scroll up and down. Do the same thing on your Note and you would see what i mean:-(
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Dude, what are you talking about? Seriously? I just made another video for you showing the 7.7 and the Note side by side, and I even tried that scrolling thing on the right side of both screens, and the 7.7 was smooth as butter compared to the Note.
Have a look!
from the images and hands on video, i can see the UI, which is smooth and great.. Hope to be ported to Desire HD. Hey ! check out the screen shots of Contacts, Recent apps, Camera and Conversation.. Those are promising that canonical Ubuntu best. .
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from the images and hands on video, i can see the UI, which is smooth and great.. Hope to be ported to Desire HD. Hey ! check out the screen shots of Contacts, Recent apps, Camera and Conversation.. Those are promising that canonical Ubuntu best. .
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Yeah in the official video its very smooth, but if you watch other hands ons from the verge or Engadget you will notice it isn't as smooth. But it isn't finished and in an early stage, what means there is a lot space for improvement.
Because the core apps like home, phone, gallery etc are native and not in Java like in Android I think it will be very smooth but we will have to wait until it is released.
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it was smooth as butter when i played with it at CES. It's still an alpha build anyway, so expect more.
They better make it GPU rendered.
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They better make it GPU rendered.
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I would imagine since they are targeting low end devices and high end devices, it'll probably support bot like Unity 3d and Unity 2d.
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