First i must say i do love my XOOM !
Having blamed Motorola for ages now i suddenly realised it may actaully be Googles fault that we Euro Xoom owners are not yet using 3.1 on our devices.
First i spotted a blog post about the Galaxy tab 10 inch over at TheUnwiredViewwhich clearly indicates Google are having issues with 3.1 releases and timing, and then after posting the story myself at TECHELD.com i received a Tweet from MOTOROLA indicating that it is indeed Google who have not yet released the European build !! Who to believe ??
How true this is isnt clear when you see Asus releasing 3.1 to Europe in contradiction to all of this but it does offer a glimmer of hope for the near future.
It also indicates that may be we should be less quick to jump at Motorola without first examining the possibilities that our beloved Android creators Google may be the source of our long wait for Honeycomb 3.1 ....
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Very interesting post. However all the evidence points to Motorola being the problem.
Firstly they have broken promises regarding the SD Card activation. Is this Google's fault also? This is a classic case of a big US company ignoring its overseas customers and not even having the courtesy to release a statement as to why the delays have occurred.
I like many others in Europe liked my Xoom at first but will look elsewhere when purchasing again and will never consider Motorola as a viable option again. Motorola are a disgrace and I am a very very unhappy customer. If I could return my Xoom I would....
You may be right, but why is there virtually no information about this, coming from Motorola .... except some non-information about the release of 3.1 for Canadian Xooms? Whoever is responsible for this, it will be Motorola's reputation that's going to suffer ... and reputation translates to $$$ in terms of profit and shareholder value.
As so often happens, communication is lacking!
Gordon1M
Google or Motorola ?
Google or Motorola ?
Who should we blame ? - im not saying im 100 percent correct with my findings but i have to say Google are pretty slow in getting products working outside of the US,
eg- Google Voice - not working here in UK
eg- Google Music - not working here in UK
eg- Google Books - not working here in UK
eg- Google SMS - not working here in UK
im not having an all out anti Google Rant here but lets just consider that as the Xoom was the device Andy Rubin held in hand on stage and told us all was the genuine article , a proper Google Experience tablet with no fragmentation issues we should be aware that Google may be the ones holding the reigns ..
Im not a huge Motorola fan either and since they seem to think users installing apps on phones makes phones go faulty i dont exactly hang on every word their press team says - but we do need to keep an open mind.
Roll on 3.1 update !!!
Whoever's fault it turns out to be, the whole situation is a mess.
I think if Moto or Google just gave us some info, some communication on whats going on, then most people would cool down. Its the lack of any info / news that really gets people irate.
Samsung made the same mistake with the Froyo update for Galaxy S and everyone jumped down their throat....I think sammy learned a lesson from that, lets hope moto do to.
madpete said:
Whoever's fault it turns out to be, the whole situation is a mess.
I think if Moto or Google just gave us some info, some communication on whats going on, then most people would cool down. Its the lack of any info / news that really gets people irate.
Samsung made the same mistake with the Froyo update for Galaxy S and everyone jumped down their throat....I think sammy learned a lesson from that, lets hope moto do to.
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Thats the point!!!!
add to the list that Amazon AppStore is US only - that winds me up too
although i thought i read somewhere that google pushed out updates for US 3g/wifi version, and Moto were responsible for the rest...
This rumor looks highly credible and in my view, this is clearly Google being Google. They have traditionally let their vendors take the heat for delays/deficiencies in order to preserve Android's image. Vendors have been willing to do so as Google has an inbuilt way to enforce compliance, since the Vendors compete yearly to produce the next Nexus device, and Google has shown they are very willing to withhold cooperation from vendors that piss them off.
In this case, they have screwed the Xoom in Europe for the time being, but they have even dealt a lower blow to Samsung, who has been one of their biggest backers and the source of the number one Phone series in the world right now, the Galaxy S. The new Tabs now have to sit in storage all across Europe for two months....the inventory hits alone will be staggering. If this is how Google treats it's partners, I would hate to be a company they don't like. Then again, screwing over its partners does Google's supposed main rival, Apple, a big favor. Counter productive much?
So HAS Google blocked HC 3.1 in Europe for two months....if so, Why? It could be something due to EU regulations, or some kind of internal Google politics. Supposedly part of the reason that Google won;t release the HC Source is because they are embarrassed by certain flaws in it....but if they are really working on improving the 3.1 code, then why release it in the US in the first place (and then release more devices in the US that run it in a few days)?
All very strange, but one thing is clear if these rumors are true....everyone who has been saying they will never by a Moto product again due to the Euro upgrade delays owe Motorola an apology. Frustrating, sure...but not Motorola's fault.
Has the Asus Transformer 3.1 update rolled out in Europe yet? It was supposed to this week I think....but now I imagine it will mysterious not appear. So much for everyone howling about Asus punking Motorola on 3.1 and how they should have bought a Transformer.
Good thing this is a big boat we are all in.
asus 3.1
Over now to ASUS..
ASUS it seems have proven that 3.1 is available to uk manufactured or shiped devices but im uncertain as to this availability being due to the fact ASUS have a non 3g device for it to install on.
this could mean the issue holding 3.1 back for Xoom is simply a 3g-H problem, the US model is CDMA i think so this could be a clue, so good luck to ASUS pad owners who have no sim card to worry about..
PS non 3g Xooms ( wifi only ) can upgrade by flashing the US rom !!
terminal 7 said:
Over now to ASUS..
ASUS it seems have proven that 3.1 is available to uk manufactured or shiped devices but im uncertain as to this availability being due to the fact ASUS have a non 3g device for it to install on.
this could mean the issue holding 3.1 back for Xoom is simply a 3g-H problem, the US model is CDMA i think so this could be a clue, so good luck to ASUS pad owners who have no sim card to worry about..
PS non 3g Xooms ( wifi only ) can upgrade by flashing the US rom !!
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Let's wait and see what happens Wednesday morning...personally I think this will be canceled before then, assuming the rumors are true about Samsung.
If it IS canceled, will Google take the blame, or will Asus blame some technical snafu with the OTA...or just remain mute about it?
rschenck said:
All very strange, but one thing is clear if these rumors are true....everyone who has been saying they will never by a Moto product again due to the Euro upgrade delays owe Motorola an apology. Frustrating, sure...but not Motorola's fault.
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I don't believe as paid customers we own Motorola any apologies what so ever for the delay. Since Motorola have not give us any meaningful info on 3.1 update schedule outside the US.
We've paid our money to Motorola for both the hardware and software, they are responsible for repair and updates. If there are issuers with Google, it is Motorola's responsibility to sort it out and keep their customers informed.
Two months of more waiting for an update thats already out in the US is nothing but a joke. Especially we need the update to fix many bugs in 3.01. I'll not buy another Motorola product if I've to wait until August, and likely swap the Xoom for an ipad if there are significant improvements in IOS 5.
I got the felling that Honeycomb is just a stop gap in Google's road map for tablet OS until ice cream sandwich arrives. Isn't there a theory around that one of the reason Google did not make the Honeycomb codes public is they don't want people to see how bad the codes are hacked together.
Bigmille said:
I don't believe as paid customers we own Motorola any apologies what so ever for the delay. Since Motorola have not give us any meaningful info on 3.1 update schedule outside the US.
Two months of more waiting for an update thats already out in the US is nothing but a joke. Especially we need the update to fix many bugs in 3.01.
I got the felling that Honeycomb is just a stop gap in Google's road map for tablet OS until ice cream sandwich arrives. Isn't there a theory around that one of the reason Google did not make the Honeycomb code public is they don't want people to see how bad the codes are hacked together.
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First, remember part of why you have gotten no info from Motorola is that Google may not be ALLOWING any info to be issued. That is very very Google.
Second, yes I agree about ICS. I am quite sure that Honeycomb is a dead end that will not go beyond 3.1. After Google has changed their roadmap, and is now focusing on ICS as a single version for all devices. Personally, I have hopes we will see an official ICS update for the Xoom. If not, I am sure someone on XDA will hack together a ROM from the released sources.
And speaking of courses....yes, the prevailing wisdom is that the Honeycomb code is inherently flawed and patched together, lacking elegance. Therefore Google doesn't want it exposed. I personally believe that.
I am still waiting for Wednesday. If Thursday dawns and the Transformers are still running 3.0.1, I will take that as confirmation of the rumor that Honeycomb is being blocked in Europe by Google.
blame who
yeah..
going back to the comment about Moto's silence - this could well be Googles silence in fact... and Motorola despite manufacturing the Xoom probably dont have much control over the software entirely because this is a 'Google Experience' device.
it might be worth noting that when the update surfaces it will most likely hit the air waves via a Google server, Google=Control !
despite all this i must say that we all knew the Xoom was early to stores with half baked software and non functional sd card etc, i personally still love my Xoom and once a few more months pass by and more dev work is done ill be flashing a custom rom anyway! - gotta look at it from the long term point of view.
nearly 2 years ago i bought a HTC HD2 knowing that i would love Android to run on it, it took about 7 months before that goal was realized but the process of getting linux working on it was just about as much fun as i ever had with a device. - my point ? early adopters are always faced with bugs and trials to overcome, !!
Back to the ASUS again, it looks like last week was 3.1 day >>
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-gets-android-3-1-update-right-on-schedu/
sooo, maybe we can port windows CE, or maybe ME then again a bit of NT then we would have windows CE ME NT omg an old joke but great time to ressurect that old chestnut....oh bring back cobol etc back to prehistoric
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Back to the ASUS again, it looks like last week was 3.1 day >>
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-gets-android-3-1-update-right-on-schedu/
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Was this in the US or Europe...hard to work out location.
It is very easy for Motorola to blame someone else.
SD card slot not functioning? Blame Google ...
Still no LTE update? Blame Nvidia ...
No 3.1 for European? Blame Google ...
What next?
Where is their responsibility?
In the future, Motorola will release next version of Xoom, and say
"RAM will be increased in the coming months" ....
"Toaster functionality will be activated in the next software release" ...
And people will still flock to buy this kind of new dirty marketing tactics.
To my surprised, in the US, people usually file class action lawsuit. When will that happen? ....
terminal 7 said:
First i must say i do love my XOOM !
Having blamed Motorola for ages now i suddenly realised it may actaully be Googles fault that we Euro Xoom owners are not yet using 3.1 on our devices.
First i spotted a blog post about the Galaxy tab 10 inch over at TheUnwiredViewwhich clearly indicates Google are having issues with 3.1 releases and timing, and then after posting the story myself at TECHELD.com i received a Tweet from MOTOROLA indicating that it is indeed Google who have not yet released the European build !! Who to believe ??
How true this is isnt clear when you see Asus releasing 3.1 to Europe in contradiction to all of this but it does offer a glimmer of hope for the near future.
It also indicates that may be we should be less quick to jump at Motorola without first examining the possibilities that our beloved Android creators Google may be the source of our long wait for Honeycomb 3.1 ....
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Was this in the US or Europe...hard to work out location.
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Both! There was a US and WW OTA to 3.1 for the TF.
Google blocking 3.1 in Europe? Doesn't look that way.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Both! There was a US and WW OTA to 3.1 for the TF.
Google blocking 3.1 in Europe? Doesn't look that way.
Regards,
Dave
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That is very interesting....Now will the Tab 10.1 appear in Europe or not?
gogol said:
It is very easy for Motorola to blame someone else.
SD card slot not functioning? Blame Google ...
Still no LTE update? Blame Nvidia ...
No 3.1 for European? Blame Google ...
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For the SD card...blame being a Google Experience device. Asus has a working SD card on release due to a proprietary hack (likely similar to the one used in XDA to enable the functionality). As a Google Experience device, Motorola CANNOT hack the code before release...and the Samsung Tab 10.1? Doesn't even have the physical slot for one.
For the LTE Update....that is probably a mix of Moto screwing up the logistics of a hardware update to already released products (the idea was stupid to begin with, just sounds like a nightmare), and the carriers not having the networks ready to support it, thus delaying the whole thing. However I agree the lack of info is ALL Moto's fault on this score.
No 3.1 in Europe...This still seems like Google putting the brakes on this, no reason for Moto to do so that I can think of, at least not for the WiFi models. Asus may have gotten away with it due to the lack of Google Experience restraints. I will be VERY interested to see if the Samsung Tab 10.1 comes out in Europe soon.
terminal 7 said:
Google or Motorola ?
Who should we blame ? - im not saying im 100 percent correct with my findings but i have to say Google are pretty slow in getting products working outside of the US,
eg- Google Voice - not working here in UK
eg- Google Music - not working here in UK
eg- Google Books - not working here in UK
eg- Google SMS - not working here in UK
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Taking the first 3 of these, there are very good reasons why these are not available in the UK.
Firstly - Google Voice: The US phone market works very differently to that in the UK (and the rest of Europe).
Firstly, in the US, there is no such thing as a mobile area code (think 07xxxx numbers in the UK), so your landline can often have the same area code as your mobile, and the cost for calling either is identical. In the UK, mobile numbers are handled via the 07xxxx dialing codes, and are charged differently from local and national calls.
In addition, if you call a mobile number both the caller and the call recipient effectively "pay" for the call. This might be real money, or it might be out of inclusive minutes, but the net effect it the same.
So, in the US, if you have a cell plan with say 1000 minutes, that 1000 minutes of calls both made and received within the US and there is no difference in cost between calling a mobile or a landline. In the UK, that 1000 minutes only relates calls you make - you can receive as many calls as you like without cost or reducing your inclusive minutes.
If Google were to launch Google Voice in the UK "as is", it would cost them a fortune every time someone use GV to call a mobile number.
There are pluses and minus to both systems, but personally, I'm not keen on the idea of having to "pay" to receive a phone call from a cold-calling double glazing company!
Next up - Google Music and Google Books: quite simply, Google has to come to a licensing agreement with the copyright holders in each individual territory. This has been done in the US, but not in the UK. It will likely come, but will need to wait until those licensing agreements are in place. This is no different to Google Navigation - in the US, Google "owns" all its map data and can therefore do with it as it wishes, but the UK they licensed maps from Teleatlas and had to come with an agreement with them for use with turn-by-turn navigation.
Although Google is a massive multinational, it's primary operations are in the US, and so it's natural for them to prioritise the US market.
Regards,
Dave
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Yes, i am really frustrated.....
Motorola still has not learnt the lesson.......
being a loyal and long android user, i always preferred for latest os on my devices .....
being an European android user i always feel ditched with motorola.....
locked bootloader with milestone and worst support from moto.....
and now Asus is able to give custom 3.1 to transfomer users and still Euro xoom owners has no luck to see 3.1 on our stock android xoom.....
how many years do moto need to provide the update where one XDA dev can do it in 1 day???
WTF?
only where i am happy is that we have the support of this greatest community but still ignored and ditched my Moto always.......
i can get 3.1 by unlocking xoom and with support of awesome XDA but moto voids the warranty and they don't want to provide the update themselves....so what is it?
when will Moto learn the lesson or do they deliberately ignore Non-US area?
*if anyone feel that my frustration is meaningless and moto is great, always welcome to delete this thread....sorry and thank you
chowdarygm said:
Yes, i am really frustrated.....
Motorola still has not learnt the lesson.......
being a loyal and long android user, i always preferred for latest os on my devices .....
being an European android user i always feel ditched with motorola.....
locked bootloader with milestone and worst support from moto.....
and now Asus is able to give custom 3.1 to transfomer users and still Euro xoom owners has no luck to see 3.1 on our stock android xoom.....
how many years do moto need to provide the update where one XDA dev can do it in 1 day???
WTF?
only where i am happy is that we have the support of this greatest community but still ignored and ditched my Moto always.......
i can get 3.1 by unlocking xoom and with support of awesome XDA but moto voids the warranty and they don't want to provide the update themselves....so what is it?
when will Moto learn the lesson or do they deliberately ignore Non-US area?
*if anyone feel that my frustration is meaningless and moto is great, always welcome to delete this thread....sorry and thank you
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I don't have MOTO but 4 of my friends do I can see the frustration even in the atrix users due to being locked up tight I'm sure many devs feel the same in there forum .
That's why I took my frustrations to the company direct HTC but I know thousands have to MOTO with no response it seems people say they will u lock end quart 4 this year maybe .. I think you can try your best to get them to do something I support anyone who wishes to make these huge companies see the consumer is what is most important ..
Xda is amazing I've been using 2.3.3 or a ginger based rom for a while people on HTC fb still asking for ota updates for the EVO 4g ..
So either keep on going after MOTO or hope the devs can make something happen..
Oh and nothing will happen till you get them to really hear your voice best of luck ..
virus kingdom port b112
I'm still on the fence with regards to buying a tablet, but the lack of European support from Motorola isn't doing them any favours as far as my decision is concerned.
The lack of support for euro xoom is pathetic, this is my first Motorola for years and I would not have brought it if I had realised this was the situation.
madpete said:
The lack of support for euro xoom is pathetic, this is my first Motorola for years and I would not have brought it if I had realised this was the situation.
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while buying this, i convinced my wife that moto will have better support than acer or Asus.... but i am wrong now....moto is the worst i have ever used...
chowdarygm said:
while buying this, i convinced my wife that moto will have better support than acer or Asus.... but i am wrong now....moto is the worst i have ever used...
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Try taking all this that you all dislike and send it all to MOTO Idk that's what i did to start with HTC it pissed me off we pay so much pay monthly fees and they do what give us no feedback as to why there system of updates is horrible
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My situation:
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
Still no UK price or confirmed spec, desperately waiting for some news on this. Have a feeling that it's going to be too expensive but who knows?
Motorola Xoom
Love the build quality and that's got my interest, not sure that I'll be satisfied with the display. There appears to be limited Euro support (bad Motorola!) and not so much activity in the dev section for Euro Xooms. Quite expensive.
Asus Transformer
Ex TF owner due to what I consider poor build quality, but I still haven't dismissed buying another so long as I can get a good one. Good spec, decent price in comparison. Asus appear to be quite supportive with updates, dev section looks quite active.
What to do!
UKseagull said:
My situation:
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
Still no UK price or confirmed spec, desperately waiting for some news on this. Have a feeling that it's going to be too expensive but who knows?
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Galaxt tab 10.1v in stocks in germany for 500 euros.....200 euro cheaper than xoom
I think the 10.1v is the older version with the 8 megapixel camera, thanks for the link though.
For European, choose Samsung... or HTC. And of course ASUS
chowdarygm said:
Yes, i am really frustrated.....
Motorola still has not learnt the lesson.......
being a loyal and long android user, i always preferred for latest os on my devices .....
being an European android user i always feel ditched with motorola.....
locked bootloader with milestone and worst support from moto.....
and now Asus is able to give custom 3.1 to transfomer users and still Euro xoom owners has no luck to see 3.1 on our stock android xoom.....
how many years do moto need to provide the update where one XDA dev can do it in 1 day???
WTF?
only where i am happy is that we have the support of this greatest community but still ignored and ditched my Moto always.......
i can get 3.1 by unlocking xoom and with support of awesome XDA but moto voids the warranty and they don't want to provide the update themselves....so what is it?
when will Moto learn the lesson or do they deliberately ignore Non-US area?
*if anyone feel that my frustration is meaningless and moto is great, always welcome to delete this thread....sorry and thank you
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It is kind of odd bc Samsung seemed to be the opposite when I was with them.
The update has only been available in the states for 5 minutes, so what's the big deal?
Also as the stock Android device, isn't Google responsible for the Xoom updates, not Moto?
It's the same process of all manufacturers to roll out updates by region.
It could be a lot worse, take Samsung for example, it took them about 7 months just to roll out Froyo to their Galaxy S handsets, then another 6 months for Gingerbread.
My European HTC Desire is still using Froyo
Philio25 said:
The update has only been available in the states for 5 minutes, so what's the big deal?
Also as the stock Android device, isn't Google responsible for the Xoom updates, not Moto?
It's the same process of all manufacturers to roll out updates by region.
It could be a lot worse, take Samsung for example, it took them about 7 months just to roll out Froyo to their Galaxy S handsets, then another 6 months for Gingerbread.
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to everyone.... one thing i don't understand here....
motorola talk about difference in hardware and software based of regions bla bla bla bla.... how the hell Apple is able to rollout anything for every apple device at once.....i dont understand the point here.......can anyone explain me?
i read on moto forums that its google's fault in not releasing 3.1 for euro xoom and moto has not to be blamed!!!!!!!!! WTH
how is samsung and acer are able to already customise it and release it???
stupid reasons ....
i am starting to loose my patience now seeing how moto is treating and telling meaningless reasons....
Philio25 said:
The update has only been available in the states for 5 minutes, so what's the big deal?
Also as the stock Android device, isn't Google responsible for the Xoom updates, not Moto?
It's the same process of all manufacturers to roll out updates by region.
It could be a lot worse, take Samsung for example, it took them about 7 months just to roll out Froyo to their Galaxy S handsets, then another 6 months for Gingerbread.
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The 3G US Xoom update has been out for 2 weeks now. The big deal is the update includes fixes for long lists of bugs for 3.01, which is not the most stable OS to start with. I don’t want my Xoom running on older and buggier software for any length of time more than necessary.
As a customer, I don’t care who is responsible for the update. I expect my device to be update in a timely manner like IOS/Windows desktop. If Motorola/Google cannot deliver on this, than I’ll simply choose a different manufacture or operating system for my next device.
Those updates are for new operating system, like you said Eclair and Gingerbread. We are talking about an update within Honeycomb, so its not a fair comparison.
Bottom line, I'm also frustrated with no 3.1 update outside of US, and no time line on when we will get it.
Did Motorola say that?
You bought the XOOM from Motorola, so no matter what... Motorola is responsible for the update!
chowdarygm said:
to everyone.... one thing i don't understand here....
motorola talk about difference in hardware and software based of regions bla bla bla bla.... how the hell Apple is able to rollout anything for every apple device at once.....i dont understand the point here.......can anyone explain me?
i read on moto forums that its google's fault in not releasing 3.1 for euro xoom and moto has not to be blamed!!!!!!!!! WTH
how is samsung and acer are able to already customise it and release it???
stupid reasons ....
i am starting to loose my patience now seeing how moto is treating and telling meaningless reasons....
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Xoom in Europe is different, its GSM not CDMA like the US.
The iPhone argument does not hold water either. The Verizon iPhone doesn't have 4.3 which has been out for months, the difference between the two phones is the same as the difference between US and non US, the radio.
FtL1776 said:
Xoom in Europe is different, its GSM not CDMA like the US.
The iPhone argument does not hold water either. The Verizon iPhone doesn't have 4.3 which has been out for months, the difference between the two phones is the same as the difference between US and non US, the radio.
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if it is only the radio, is it that difficult to change those lines of code and and send the update? how was it achieved very simply by our own devs in a day without access to advanced tools........
sorry guys, i am so frustrated now coz, my SGS2 is able to play 720p and 1080p butter smooth where as i am struggling to do basic things with moto 700 euro brick .....
Just like Samsung is horrible with updates in the U.S.
I'm in Canada so Motorola is horrible with updates as expected.
I guess short Moto's stock and become rich.
I'm a french user, got a Xoom Wifi only (MZ604), and i'm also hoping for a 3.1 update soon...
Wanna try to flash US stock image, but Motorola didn't release stock images for EU users, so i wont be able to relock it... and in case of problem, i'll got a brick without these images...
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Finally some good news for anyone outside the US!
"The non-U.S. 3.1 update does include SD card activation"
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/410341
Post from Motorola forum manager
Still no news on when we'll get it in the UK, but good news in general
More news on the Motorola forums:
Should get within the next few weeks
"Good news!
The 3.1 update for the Motorola XOOM™ outside the U.S. has started. Owners in Japan started receiving the update today (June 21). Owners in other regions can expect updates to start over the next several weeks until the roll out is complete.
Motorola has responded to the widely-expressed desire to have the SD card activated on Motorola XOOM. The 3.1 update for non-U.S. devices, in addition to many other improvements, also includes an SD card activation solution. Release notes for this update will be made available in each region. Please note that functionality varies by region."
So...when do US users get SD support?!
i would like for someone with a non US Xoom to confirm that it works.
good for those non-US XOOM owners...but I'm pretty sure that the largest % of XOOM owners are based in the US...so why push the SD support to all other regions excluding the US is beyond me....
I'm sure US will get it shortly after you guys...but it would be the smartest thing for Moto's Marketing to just push the SD support update to all XOOM owners in ALL REGIONS...
T0LLPHR33 said:
good for those non-US XOOM owners...but I'm pretty sure that the largest % of XOOM owners are based in the US...so why push the SD support to all other regions excluding the US is beyond me....
I'm sure US will get it shortly after you guys...but it would be the smartest thing for Moto's Marketing to just push the SD support update to all XOOM owners in ALL REGIONS...
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ahhh....because they were releasing anyway...and it was an easy way to get to the next step. My bet is the US will see 3.2 with SD card support...and bug fixes based on the NON US 3.1 release.
Dev for things like this never stops....they fork the tree and keep going. Sounds like the fork was....US/NON US. eventually the forks come back together.....and eventually they will fork again...with each new release.
It will be interesting to see if the 4g implementation is 100% HW based....most likely...but...who the heck knows...
from matt at motorola forums
The solution being used outside the U.S. is developed by Motorola. Non-U.S. Motorola Xooms are not GEDs. Given that they are getting updates later than the U.S. Motorola Xooms, we elected to provide our solution now vs. waiting for the Google solution.
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ahhh....because they were releasing anyway...and it was an easy way to get to the next step. My bet is the US will see 3.2 with SD card support...and bug fixes based on the NON US 3.1 release.
Dev for things like this never stops....they fork the tree and keep going. Sounds like the fork was....US/NON US. eventually the forks come back together.....and eventually they will fork again...with each new release.
It will be interesting to see if the 4g implementation is 100% HW based....most likely...but...who the heck knows...
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I know this was a little far fetched for even me but I was really hoping that at the very least the SD support aka HC 3.2 update would come a lot sooner than later (was really hoping to have the SD support before I go on vacation this saturday)...oh well looks like I'll have the update either during or after my vacation...
It almost makes sense that they pushed the 3.2 Update/SD Support to the non-US regions 1st since US was the 1st to get the 3.1 update...still say that Moto should have put the foot down by now and just released the update to all regions...but I'm sure there is a ton of work to allow all features to be working and released in their own regions...
I'm really interested to see how quickly the 4G LTE hardware/software upgrade comes to us after the 3.2/SD support update is released? hhhmmm....
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I know this was a little far fetched for even me but I was really hoping that at the very least the SD support aka HC 3.2 update would come a lot sooner than later (was really hoping to have the SD support before I go on vacation this saturday)...oh well looks like I'll have the update either during or after my vacation...
It almost makes sense that they pushed the 3.2 Update/SD Support to the non-US regions 1st since US was the 1st to get the 3.1 update...still say that Moto should have put the foot down by now and just released the update to all regions...but I'm sure there is a ton of work to allow all features to be working and released in their own regions...
I'm really interested to see how quickly the 4G LTE hardware/software upgrade comes to us after the 3.2/SD support update is released? hhhmmm....
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Well I certainly can I say Android development is new to me. With GED and non GED. I understand the base releases of the OS and its updates....and in general understand the Branded skinning that has to take place. Not sure if those terms are appropriate. I think its hard as a consumer sometimes to think that a company is NOT working on a fix to your problem....specifically. They are instead working on whats next....and included in the whats next is x% bug or issue fix from the previous release. That is, of course, if the bug is not destroying sales.. IF the bug is a show stopper, then all hands on deck to get it fixed. With the SD card implementation, it has been a future investment. Because the investment can come in 2 different flavors....GED and NON GED, the timeline is different. I 'assume' the Xoom is a GED and as such, cannot, by contract, implement a NON GED resolution....without the goodwill of Google.
To my knowledge 3.2 doesn't mention a SD card resolution. If it does, then the answer is clear. Otherwise...development continues. Dev of 4.0 is not waiting on 3.x. 3.1 was most likely not waiting on 3.0 to release...but, could be incorporating some 3.x fixes, etc.
Since Matt over in Motorola says this is a NON GED implementation....3.2 falls back into the guess category...where we can add as many fixes and features as we wish...and be radically disappointed when it does release.
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Well I certainly can I say Android development is new to me. With GED and non GED. I understand the base releases of the OS and its updates....and in general understand the Branded skinning that has to take place. Not sure if those terms are appropriate. I think its hard as a consumer sometimes to think that a company is NOT working on a fix to your problem....specifically. They are instead working on whats next....and included in the whats next is x% bug or issue fix from the previous release. That is, of course, if the bug is not destroying sales.. IF the bug is a show stopper, then all hands on deck to get it fixed. With the SD card implementation, it has been a future investment. Because the investment can come in 2 different flavors....GED and NON GED, the timeline is different. I 'assume' the Xoom is a GED and as such, cannot, by contract, implement a NON GED resolution....without the goodwill of Google.
To my knowledge 3.2 doesn't mention a SD card resolution. If it does, then the answer is clear. Otherwise...development continues. Dev of 4.0 is not waiting on 3.x. 3.1 was most likely not waiting on 3.0 to release...but, could be incorporating some 3.x fixes, etc.
Since Matt over in Motorola says this is a NON GED implementation....3.2 falls back into the guess category...where we can add as many fixes and features as we wish...and be radically disappointed when it does release.
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Not entirely correct. XOOM in the US is a GED which gets updates direct from google and which as of now still does not have sd card support. Xoom outside the US are not GED and as such get updates from Motorola. Motorola is getting a hard time since google didn't implement sd support and so they are / have implemented their own fix. This means that those of us outside the US have to wait longer but we get the added advantage of Motorola devs going a few rounds with our updates before the bell. As such, the update we are about to receive (3.1) is the same google version with additional changes by Motorola, namely SD support.
This could be seen as a good or a bad thing, either way, its entirely possible (and quite likely right now) that the rest of the world will see official SD support before the US.
Macbots drool as I XOOM through the Galaxy to my hearts Desire.
They're probably just releasing the "Motorola" version of the Tiamat kernel.
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They're probably just releasing the "Motorola" version of the Tiamat kernel.
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Ah yes... the TED variant is blessed with many goodies
...xoom posted...
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They're probably just releasing the "Motorola" version of the Tiamat kernel.
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I thought the same!
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Hmm. It's a shame that Moto have to go down the path of implementing their own fix. Obviously this means that for the US Xoom to stay a GED they will need to wait for Google to provide a solution and CANNOT roll out their SD fix to US Xoomers.
Here's my take on things:
US gets 3.1 first, way ahead of Rest of World
ROW get 3.1 weeks/months later but with Moto SD fix
US will NOT get Moto SD fix
US gets 3.2 way ahead of ROW (with SD fix??? I certainly have not seen evidence that this is the case)
Moto probably ignore ROW for 3.2 and concentrate on ICS.
Looks like a mixed bag of good/crappy support for the Xoom.
I postulate that the SD card update will be available for download and/or installed when LTE upgrade happens.
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Hmm. It's a shame that Moto have to go down the path of implementing their own fix. Obviously this means that for the US Xoom to stay a GED they will need to wait for Google to provide a solution and CANNOT roll out their SD fix to US Xoomers.
Here's my take on things:
US gets 3.1 first, way ahead of Rest of World
ROW get 3.1 weeks/months later but with Moto SD fix
US will NOT get Moto SD fix
US gets 3.2 way ahead of ROW (with SD fix??? I certainly have not seen evidence that this is the case)
Moto probably ignore ROW for 3.2 and concentrate on ICS.
Looks like a mixed bag of good/crappy support for the Xoom.
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probably - although moto fix and google fix for sd may be different things - meaning that as you said, moto will skip 3.2 or they'll be an EVEN LONGER delay in applying it to ROW
Well looks like a roll out for the htc desire has began android 2.3.3 with sense 2.1
check here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1186791
if the htc desire gets sense 2.1 it could be possible we can get it aswell
I believe Verizon has told HTC to no longer support our device. I've written 5 emails to HTC requesting information & have received the typical non answer of:
"...Currently, our developers have to work with Verizon to determine when and if a ROM upgrade will be available....."
Basically I assume this is how it went down:
HTC: hey Verizon! We have a gingerbread update that needs testing on the ADR6300(Dinc).
Verizon: If they want gingerbread tell them to sign a new contract & get an ADR6350(Dinc2).
I encourage all of you to email HTC & inform them that they cannot be sued by Apple for emulating their support system & ignoring the carriers request for bad support. We have little chance of changing Verizon's mind but HTC is our hardware manufacturer & they could continue to support us on their website via RUU.
For the negative Nancy's out there this very tactic worked for the Desire community. They were the squeaky wheel & guess what? They got grease on the way. Being vocal is the only reason they are now getting gingerbread. So save your disparaging comments for your low self esteem girlfriend.
Lastly, for the inevitable "root & u no need OTAz!!!"; yes you do. Things like kernel source are of the utmost importance & drivers for various hardware are closed source. Which means if you reverse engineer it; you can get sued. If you modify it; you can get sued.
Please feel free to take 5 minutes to politely spam their inbox with your displeasure, questions, or concerns here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
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I believe Verizon has told HTC to no longer support our device. I've written 5 emails to HTC requesting information & have received the typical non answer of:
"...Currently, our developers have to work with Verizon to determine when and if a ROM upgrade will be available....."
Basically I assume this is how it went down:
HTC: hey Verizon! We have a gingerbread update that needs testing on the ADR6300(Dinc).
Verizon: If they want gingerbread tell them to sign a new contract & get an ADR6350(Dinc2).
I encourage all of you to email HTC & inform them that they cannot be sued by Apple for emulating their support system & ignoring the carriers request for bad support. We have little chance of changing Verizon's mind but HTC is our hardware manufacturer & they could continue to support us on their website via RUU.
For the negative Nancy's out there this very tactic worked for the Desire community. They were the squeaky wheel & guess what? They got grease on the way. Being vocal is the only reason they are now getting gingerbread. So save your disparaging comments for your low self esteem girlfriend.
Lastly, for the inevitable "root & u no need OTAz!!!"; yes you do. Things like kernel source are of the utmost importance & drivers for various hardware are closed source. Which means if you reverse engineer it; you can get sued. If you modify it; you can get sued.
Please feel free to take 5 minutes to politely spam their inbox with your displeasure, questions, or concerns here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
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Sent!
I'm confused though, I thought it was pretty much a done deal that we were getting a GB release??? Was that just an unsubstantiated rumor?
I think HTC had the intention of it but like I said I believe it's Verizon's doing. They're not above that at all.
Also HTC is pretty good about getting back to you in a couple of days. Please continue the dialog after reply with your ticket number.
Also it never hurts to hit them on social media:
http://facebook.com/HTC
http://twitter.com/htc
I just sent them an email as well.
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I'm confused though, I thought it was pretty much a done deal that we were getting a GB release??? Was that just an unsubstantiated rumor?
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Its not a rumor, we even had a GB leak specifically for our phone. Blame VZW :/
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^ pretty much. Desire, Evo, etc pretty much every version of our hardware is getting it.
Sent e mail as well, also mentioned bringing out the update on fb
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Remember though, outcry for the Desire didn't happen until AFTER HTC said they "couldn't do it.", and the EVO is simply way too popular to ignore.
Incredible users need some press on the issue, and we can't mention development in letters we write. "Send us gingerbread so we can hack into it plz" um, yeah OK. Lol
You guys should be sending letters to tech news outlets and stuff so it can be known. The more regular people that know, the more curiosity and subsequent demand will grow. You are pissing in the wind if you think letters to the companies are gonna help. Press is what's gonna be the catalyst for support in this issue, THEN your letters will have merit. Imagine the millions of users that get news updates on phones, computers, RSS, twitter, etc that suddenly realize that they CAN but wont get an update.
Actually HTC didn't come out & say it until they had been pestered by users. I agree on needing some press love. I'll hit the blogs.
Looking at the link in the OP, it doesn't look like those guys are getting any GB love yet either.
^ it has been confirmed by HTC. Basically we're the only one's with sister hardware still out in the rain.
Wrote on HTC and HTC USA Facebook pages...
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Based on that thread, their GB update seems to be as "confirmed" as ours. Basically just info from HTC reps, not any sort of official announcement. And there's nothing besides speculation that suggests that the update will be sense 2.1. Our GB update was supposed to be here by the end of Q2, now what are they saying?
I know this is coming off as negative, but I'm just trying to be realistic. After not getting our update and hearing nothing else about it, I'd be hesitant to believe anything but an official announcement from HTC, not emails/chat from their support staff.
The post on their Facebook isn't really too confidence inspiring.. Basically they're saying that they're working on an update, but have no idea when it'll be done or what it will include, when we were supposed to get GB last month? Come on HTC..
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Based on that thread, their GB update seems to be as "confirmed" as ours. Basically just info from HTC reps, not any sort of official announcement. And there's nothing besides speculation that suggests that the update will be sense 2.1. Our GB update was supposed to be here by the end of Q2, now what are they saying?
I know this is coming off as negative, but I'm just trying to be realistic. After not getting our update and hearing nothing else about it, I'd be hesitant to believe anything but an official announcement from HTC, not emails/chat from their support staff.
The post on their Facebook isn't really too confidence inspiring.. Basically they're saying that they're working on an update, but have no idea when it'll be done or what it will include, when we were supposed to get GB last month? Come on HTC..
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https://www.facebook.com/htcuk/posts/225857300777092
K there's a fairly blatant statement that came 3 days after they said no GB for Desire. That's about as concrete as it gets as far as statements on releases go.
Back to Dinc, the email I received in late April said sometime in quarter 2. Now the emails I receive say "we have to work with Verizon on when & if a ROM update is available."
There is your big difference & you're not coming off as negative or realistic; only uninformed.
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https://www.facebook.com/htcuk/posts/225857300777092
K there's a fairly blatant statement that came 3 days after they said no GB for Desire. That's about as concrete as it gets as far as statements on releases go.
Back to Dinc, the email I received in late April said sometime in quarter 2. Now the emails I receive say "we have to work with Verizon on when & if a ROM update is available."
There is your big difference & you're not coming off as negative or realistic; only uninformed.
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I'm thinking that we might be barking up the wrong tree. Shouldn't we be pestering Verizon instead of HTC? It really sounds like they are the ones that are the road block here.
Anywho, I got the following response from HTC today about my email yesterday:
Thank you for taking the time to contact HTC, badogg. We will gladly assist you with your inquiry regarding the possibility of a Gingerbread update for your HTC Incredible.
We understand that many owners of the HTC Incredible are anxiously awaiting the arrival of new system updates for this device. As for an ETA for the release of these updates, we do not have this available. Currently, we have no information regarding the Gingerbread update for the HTC Incredible.
With regards to Gingerbread specifically, we can confirm that Google and HTC have agreed to provide android operating system upgrades for all HTC devices for up to 18 months after the initial release date of the device, provided of course that the hardware is able to support it.
We wish we had more information to provide you on this topic. The best way to stay on top of any device updates is to follow us on one of our social network sites like Twitter or Facebook, or check on htc.com. Once we have any information on this update it will be posted on these sites first.
We deeply regret that we do not have more specific details to provide for you badogg, and we hope that this does not detract from your overall use and enjoyment of the HTC Incredible. We thank you for your continued patience while we work to enhance the android experience on this device for all android and HTC devotees. As always, we are here to answer any technical questions or concerns you may have between 6am to 1am EDST, 7 days a week for your convenience, or by phone at 1-866-449-8358.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number .
Sincerely,
Angela
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badogg said:
I'm thinking that we might be barking up the wrong tree. Shouldn't we be pestering Verizon instead of HTC? It really sounds like they are the ones that are the road block here.
Anywho, I got the following response from HTC today about my email yesterday:
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I see what your saying but I can't recall Verizon changing its mind on anything & they don't seem to cave to bad press whereas HTC does. The best I figure we can do is put pressure on HTC & they would in turn put pressure on Verizon.
Thanks for posting your reply. Interesting ... our hardware is overly capable of GB & 18 months from release for Dinc is this August ....
Just got this from twitter:
poontab: @HTC any news on gingerbread for incredible 1? All similar hardware is getting it Desire, Evo, etc. U haven't even addressed us in 3 months
Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/poontab/status/96333115924029440
htc: @poontab Good question, keep following us here for HTC phone updates.
Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/htc/status/96359461014343680
Nothing... but at least he finally responded. I've been hitting them 3 time's a day every day since I started getting pissed.
I reaaly hope we will be first again for honeycomb updates.
We will get it. How fast depends on model. The wifi will be the first to have it most likely with the 4g version getting 4 to 6 weeks later after Verizon gives it the OK. How long the delay between announcement and push is up to Motorola and how long they have been working with it. If past performance is any indicator then at least two other tablets will have it before we do.
I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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Let me just consult my magic 8 ball...
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I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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The source code WILL be made available. Rubin said so in the past, when pointed out that HC sources were MIA, and he explained the reason for it, saying at the same time that Android sources will be again public once they reunify the 2.x and 3.x platforms into a cleaner, multi-devices software base.
Keep in mind that it's not just the OS based on the open source code that makes the tablet. Look at all those cheap Android 2.1/2.2 tablets - one of the things they often lack is access to the Android Market (in addition to using resistive screens, low performance SoCs, etc...). I suspect that you have to pay a license to Google to be allowed to bundle Google apps such as the official Android Market (someone might confirm this for me). This is where a major player like Samsung or Asus will distinguish itself from your average inexpensive Chinese-made tablet.
So, no reason at all for Google to refuse to distribute the code. Don't forget that the fact it's open-sourced is one of the main reasons behind its popularity.
So in the end, I'm fairly confident the Xoom will get ICS. If not from Morotola, then through unofficial builds from the public repository, like Cyanogen does for phones under 2.x.
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Same day brah
Motorola Xoom to be first Ice Cream Sandwich tablet? http://goo.gl/611fi Shared with APPY Geek (http://www.appy-geek.com
hopefully this rumor is true
Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high. Which tablets got 3.1 first? Which received 3.2 first? There's your answer.
Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
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Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
Revolting Revolution. Tapatalk.
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You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
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>Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high.
The Xoom isn't an official reference device, and it isn't a refdev for ICS. My guess is that ICS update will come from your friendly custom ROM sooner than from Moto-Goog, as else the new FamilyEd Xoom will need to be updated as well, which probably won't happen any time soon given its new low-end status. Prioritizing and differentiation will mean the focus of development will be on the Xoom2 toys. That's how it has always worked.
The good news is that with ICS hitting AOS, custom ROMs will get better, sooner. In tandem with the above, there'll be more reasons for you to go offroad with ICS, if you haven't already.
>You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
If reports are true, LTE mod will eat up more juice and reduce operating hours.
I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.
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I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.
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It has been this way for the US Xoom. Until now, Google has been the one who has pushed updates for US Xoom, so there is hope we will get ICS at some point, but i don't believe it's going to happen today. The reference SoC for ICS is TI OMAP, so it doesn't look good for our Tegra powered Xooms.
>I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Apple isn't that different. Old toys don't get the new-fangled Siri thingie.
The 2nd-gen of Android tabs (mostly OMAP4) are only marginally better than the Teg2 hardware wise. ICS will be the big selling point. Differentiation means you don't let old toys have the same functions as the new, as that defeats the purpose of selling new toys.
Speaking of new toys, I like the MotoACTV. The first wearable (and likely hackable) Android device. It would be neat if one can shoehorn a full-fledged Android distro in there. Display is tiny, probably 320x240, but good enough for niche uses. Pricing is outrageous, but it'll drop soon enough.
no release date for ics....just for the nexus on november
they did release the SDK today tho !!!! gonna play with it now
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I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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actually the Source Code is already on AOSP's website for developers.
pardon my ignorance but sdk is good for making roms or just to make apps for it...or just to release hacks for other platforms like 3.2.2 ,etc. i just know its good lol but dont know what good it can be.
With the Galaxy Nexus not being released until sometime in November I think we may be waiting until December for an official release. Hope the devs can pull a rabbit out of a hat.
SDK could bring us a release but hardware acceleration is unlikely until we see the official release.
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theres no point in starting or doing one as they dont work... no body knows that ics is or is not coming to the galaxy s 1 only samaung dose
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theres no point in starting or doing one as they dont work... no body knows that ics is or is not coming to the galaxy s 1 only samaung dose
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they do work to some extent. samsung will probably decide the millions of sgs1 owners can just upgrade to a sgs2 or a sgn, and we'll be ignored unless we make our opinion known.
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they do work to some extent. samsung will probably decide the millions of sgs1 owners can just upgrade to a sgs2 or a sgn, and we'll be ignored unless we make our opinion known.
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Making our opinions known will not change the fact that it will cost Samsung money, and possibly prevent them from making money off of us buying newer phones.
If you want it that bad, either cross your fingers or wait for an unofficial release.
Honestly really not much point in doing so. I'd be surprised if Samsung made ICS available to the i9000, but however no petition will make them listen. Developing ICS for the i9000 will cost them a lot of money they will not be willing to spend as the phone is outdated by the SGS 2.
All this threads about ICS while it's not released yet make me feel concerned about xda mods mental sanity for the months to come.
I would MUCH rather we got a petition together to get Samsung to release driver details and source code for the i9000 so that the Cyanogen team can fix the RIL and 720p recording issues
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I would MUCH rather we got a petition together to get Samsung to release driver details and source code for the i9000 so that the Cyanogen team can fix the RIL and 720p recording issues
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if they do, it will be much easier porting ICS(or anything else, really) to our lovely device, where can i sign?
start a petiton stating if samsung drops firmware support for their still best selled device you will move to a brand that can deliver such updates - as "Galaxy Nexus" branch or any other phone maker that will continue to support their devices not promote/force you to use their latest devices to get updated firmware
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start a petiton stating if samsung drops firmware support for their still best selled device you will move to a brand that can deliver such updates - as "Galaxy Nexus" branch or any other phone maker that will continue to support their devices not promote/force you to use their latest devices to get updated firmware
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Well, I am starting to think that we can't find one that has Android in it... Look even Google doesn't support their Nexus One that is more than capable to handle ICS. In less than 2 years time they will drop support for Galaxy Nexus claiming it is too old again... It's simply a shame.
It hurts me to say this but I am starting to admit that Android has failed in its purpose of proving that it was different in terms of policies than Apple. It's the same s***....
nexus one never was a primary phone for google - it was nexuss, but still i am suprised that they droped 'nexus one'
at least google will not get distorted like samsung with all their devices to release buggy firmwares
google devices always her latest and well developed updates & support - samsung fails to do that
and on the top of that 2 years is normal contract lenght (and most of us got 'contract phones')
so best time to sign new 'pact with the devil' and get new google phone
if nothing will change from samsung on that i will surley not buy samsung phone (but samsung+google yes due to 'working updates/support)
to be honest i see even wave/bada getting more attention/love from samsung
check this vid: [Wave 3] Official Live Demo
$omator said:
nexus one never was a primary phone for google - it was nexuss, but still i am suprised that they droped 'nexus one'
at least google will not get distorted like samsung with all their devices to release buggy firmwares
google devices always her latest and well developed updates & support - samsung fails to do that
and on the top of that 2 years is normal contract lenght (and most of us got 'contract phones')
so best time to sign new 'pact with the devil' and get new google phone
if nothing will change from samsung on that i will surley not buy samsung phone (but samsung+google yes due to 'working updates/support)
to be honest i see even wave/bada getting more attention/love from samsung
check this vid: [Wave 3] Official Live Demo
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Don't be so sure that Google will be better than Samsung in that department. I don't think Nexus S will get a new major Android update after ICS but let's see...
This idea that you have to buy another phone every 2 years is completely out of reality. I don't want to spend 400€ for a new phone every 2 years. It's completely unacceptable. And if this rumor that I9000 is not getting it becomes true, then I will try my best to discourage Android for anyone I know and is thinking in getting a new phone. I suggest everyone else that feels like this to do the same and try to stop these companies of doing those practices.
NexusS will be supported until the phone that will follow Galaxy Nexus, something simmilar that we witness now
i get my phone for free every 2 years =) thats why i do not see a problem in exchanging it in this time period :]
trust me, no ics for i9000 is not an option, i9000 is their best seller for the moment.
leaving all shose people wo latest firmware upgrade would not be logic.
they are aware how many people would be pissed at them due that fact.
they were ahead when releasing sgs/nexuss now competition is catching up very quick
i do notthink that they are ready to piss so many people
question is how long will it be supported with ics updates and i guess this will decrease untill sgs3 release after witch it will stop
you all need to take a chill pill. think of it this way: until samsung will release an update for the existing phones they will release an ICS device and after that they will try, hopefully, to update them and that could take some time and i don't think they will update a phone that will be so "old". it's logical... if they update the sgs and sgs2 to ICS why would you buy the next phone? if you were stuck on 2.1 or 2.2 on your sgs you would have taken into consideration to buy sgs2 but knowing that the differences between sgs and sgs2 are in terms of camera proc and size you are not willing to do this... damn that was a long message that no one will read
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you all need to take a chill pill. think of it this way: until samsung will release an update for the existing phones they will release an ICS device and after that they will try, hopefully, to update them and that could take some time and i don't think they will update a phone that will be so "old". it's logical... if they update the sgs and sgs2 to ICS why would you buy the next phone? if you were stuck on 2.1 or 2.2 on your sgs you would have taken into consideration to buy sgs2 but knowing that the differences between sgs and sgs2 are in terms of camera proc and size you are not willing to do this... damn that was a long message that no one will read
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Your thinking is wrong. If Samsung doesn't update their 400€ phones that are 1 year and a half old (And don't even care to do proper QA), then why should you buy another one that will get no updates after that period, even when the hardware can handle it very well? And then you look at Apple that updates their old 3GS (that runs at least twice as fast as the Galaxy S stock)... What reason has Apple to update the 3GS when they just launched the 4S? This is how you gain customer loyalty!
If at least the phone worked well stock, then I wouldn't complain much. But take JVT firmware as an example. It has so many bugs and is so slow!!! How can they do it with this hardware??????????????????
i will not buy SGS2/3 if i will not see ICS on SGS1, i would not want to get stuck again with no updates because they want to sell me their next, new phone
also with ICS on SGS i am aware that it could be missing some features from Galaxy Nexus version, and that it will not be as fast as on newer devices
i do not think that i am the only one that when considering GT-I9000 purchase was looking at this info/fact also
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@boliveira2 it's called consumption market... they want you to buy the newest ones otherwise they could just try to develop and optimize android os for all version (a little exaggeration i know) so you could run it on any phone... cyanogen released 7.1 for the Moto Cliq that didn't even get a 1.6 update here but they managed to do something about it... it's all marketing... why would they waste money and time and man power to update an old phone? i know it is disappointing, i am in the same boat as you... i'm not happy about this but this is it... i hope that i am wrong but... BTW is gingerbread official for all sgs's? i mean anyone can upgrade using kies?
us carrier variants seems to have froyo still same as some countries for gt-i9000 did not upgraded due to the bugs in gb (ex poland)
looks like samsung got overwhelmed by the variety of devices they support and obligations to google to update asap to latest firmware version (that "with Google" partnership) what resulted in overall mess ;]
I think in the end if you want the latest updates for a long time you have to buy the Google phones, period.
It's a shame but that's just the way it is. I think if many people turned their noses at the Samsung/HTC/Motorola-branded phones until they improve their updates they might actually get the picture. As it is most people rush out to get the latest, shiniest closed-driver carrier-specific device and then complain about updates later.
Perhaps this will change now that many Android users are more experienced and have learned their lesson, like so many of us here. If a huge chunk of us ignore devices other than Nexus they might get the point. One thing they may have to do if they really get serious about better updates is tell the carriers, especially the glacial ones here in North America, to screw off and stay out of it. Apple and Nexus phones get their frequent and timely updates mostly because the carriers are out of the loop.
What most have also forgotten is Google want ICS to stop fragmentation but what's happened is its made it worse.
Doing a petition to google to force samsung to roll out ICS
Samsung are clearly using this to sell devices as always
Then after that you have networks to sort as Vodafone in the UK have not released any updates to the Galaxy s past 2.3.3
Google phones get updates faster then from samsung and networks but the Galaxy Nexus is not that good i'll wait for the Motorola Nexus next time round
The rom is designed to work on the Nexus s and the specs are almost the same as the Galaxy s
Fragmentation Kills Android