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[Official News] X2 MR1 upgrade available!

Here's the link
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Can't wait for them to finish uploading and they have stuck to their promise!
Good job SE! X2 support all the way =D

royalbloodvi said:
Here's the link
Can't wait for them to finish uploading and they have stuck to their promise!
Good job SE! X2 support all the way =D
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Hopefully!!!!!

Well, this notice may be shown for next week. Something has happened, but MR1 is still unavailable at last... But I still hope that it will be released today.

royalbloodvi said:
Here's the link
Can't wait for them to finish uploading and they have stuck to their promise!
Good job SE! X2 support all the way =D
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Where's the link? Am i blind? http://www.sonyericsson.com/update don't come up with anything new and a "Update service" tells me I have the latest software.
EDIT: Aha, a refresh of http://www.sonyericsson.com/update gives "Coming soon. Come back later". Later this spring, year, decade? A "march update" should really be out in march and it scares me SE seems to be working on the update to the very last minute (or even longer?), will it be as good as SE (and customers) planned for?

Yes, this is because MR1 isn´t available now! SE only says that: Comming soon... But when is soon ?

surely we all know by now that when a company says "march" it means it could be march/april/may lol. especially with software. they can only guess when they will finish theres no definate science to it. if theres a delay its because theyve not finished ironing out any bugs not because they cant be bothered to let us have it. the main thing is we know theyre serious about supporting the X2 and its on the way...
remember this isnt just an update to fix bugs its also an upgrade to wm6.5.2 so im sure they have their fair share of headaches making sure all existing software works with the newer operating system.

What the hell. Why make a topic saying it's available when it's not.
You could of said "it's coming soon"

I just brought a Xperia X2. Tomorrow it arrives.
I expect to install the MR1 Update as soon at it gets it.

anothadave said:
surely we all know by now that when a company says "march" it means it could be march/april/may lol. especially with software. they can only guess when they will finish theres no definate science to it. if theres a delay its because theyve not finished ironing out any bugs not because they cant be bothered to let us have it. the main thing is we know theyre serious about supporting the X2 and its on the way...
remember this isnt just an update to fix bugs its also an upgrade to wm6.5.2 so im sure they have their fair share of headaches making sure all existing software works with the newer operating system.
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I guess your post is addressed to me so here's my answer:
Companies says this and that and you say we (their customers) have to accept whatever bull**** they throw at us. This should be because of some new born truth, when they say yes they mean no, perhaps or even yes? Well, you, me and many of the users here have been ****ed over and over again so now it's ok?
I can just think how this sort of behavior would be accepted if it concerned delivery of your new car for example. You could probably accept a delay if your told in reasonable time. But if the car dealer did a ostrich putting the head in the sand you'll probably go bullocks, just as I do now over SE. As a comparison, look at Microsofts "patch Tuesday", is it ok for them to send out patches at Thursdays instead?
SE officially said February 2: "In March, we’ll launch our first upgrade" and February 26 they narrowed the release down to, if I remember the exact phrase, "late March". It can be read/seen at http://xperiancers.com/ Nowhere can we see or read about any delay and with that information provided by SE we should expect nothing other than a March release. You me and everyone we know perhaps knows this isn't so but we should never accept it.
royalbloodvi said:
Here's the link
Can't wait for them to finish uploading and they have stuck to their promise!
Good job SE! X2 support all the way =D
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If this is supposed to be a joke. Do you hear anyone laughing in here? I'll give you my final comment tomorrow.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that the last post at xperiancers.com is that they're shutting down (remember the ostrich?) Ok, they say they moving to the product blog. Well head over there for yourselves and see if you can find any posts or even a X2 category. Not a sound of any delays.

5 hours 20 min left...
In 5 hours 20 min... Sweden turns april and no MR1 in sight!!
My X2 had some problems with camera and no memorycard and performance issues. My old HTC Touch Pro in some way better... Windows phone 6.5, hmm not impressed yet. If Mobile 7 don't "rock" (with new phone) Android or other OS is my new choice...

It says on the SE site:
Did you know that we're always improving our software? For up to 2 years after launch our software team work hard to give you the best phone experience with better performance, new features and bug fixes. Are you up to date? Select your phone from the list below to find out.
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Makes me feel anger towards sony's marketing department.

I am 99% sure it will come next week (at least for Russia, don't know about others) (it is not 100% info, but it is close to it).
Can't wait to test it on X1

On the official Polish fanclub of Sony Ericsson, one admin wrote that the update should be available this week. He attached two pictures with radio and videocalling added.

johnny1277f said:
On the official Polish fanclub of Sony Ericsson, one admin wrote that the update should be available this week. He attached two pictures with radio and videocalling added.
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Great.
What is the link?

Here: forum.fanklub.se/x2/aktualizacja-x2%29/msg15848/#msg15848

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Here: forum.fanklub.se/x2/aktualizacja-x2)/msg15848/#msg15848
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Wrong link!

Ok got it:
http://forum.fanklub.se/x2/aktualizacja-x2)/msg15848/#msg15848

no my previous post wasnt particularly aimed at anyone. it seemed that people where taking the "march" release date a bit too literaly. yes they did say march but we've all owned phones and other technological goods long enough now to know that when a company says a release date its not set in stone. no matter what the item or product, when delivery is involved its always sensible to factor in a bit of leeway for unforseen circumstances unless a specific exact time and date are promised. and in this case it wasnt. it was just a notice on a blog. until a specific date is announced then its sensible to assume that march could mean begining of april.
the only way a company can give a firm date about something is if it was finished and ready to go. eg a car or something physical that has a manufactureing lead time. they can give an exact release date because it takes a measurable time to manufacture the finished tested product and they know exactly how long it will take.
with software updates you can release it the day its finished testing. theres no lead time or manufacturing delay. so when they announce a release date 3months in advance its just a best guess because theyve obviously not finished it when they made that announcement. theres no way they can guarentee that date, they cant foresee every problem that arises. they can only give best guess assuming everything proceeds smoothly. if the release date arrives and the software is still buggy then theyre goin to delay the release to give the customer a better product. sony havent released the update because its not ready not because they want to piss us off or because they dont care or have poor customer service. if anything it shows they value their customers because theyre not willing to fob us off with a crappy buggy firmware release.
from all indications and the notice on the sony website it does seem that the update is very close. if they get it out first week of april then im not going to fuss over a couple of days. but if it takes longer than that ill gladly join the ranks of unhappy people kicking up a fuss.
with regards to there being no mention of the X2 on the new weblog its because today isnt April 1st. the X2 had its own blog so wasnt mentioned on there before. if you read the notice on the xperiancers blog you will see it says they are closing the X2 blog on april 1st which is tomorrow and then moving everything across. not sure if that means theyre moving the old announcements and posts across aswell.
"As of the first of April, we’ll shut this site down and move everything to blogs.sonyericsson.com/products then the posts from Aaron, Me, and the team at Wolfstar will continue there."

April is here, but ROM is still nowhere... Thanks SE.

jkoljo said:
It says on the SE site:
Makes me feel anger towards sony's marketing department.
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Often marketing and development are not communicating very well. Like:
Marketing: "When it will be finished?"
Development: "With 20 people at the end of april."
Marketing: "OK, let's say 10 people and march."
Duh!
And S-E marketing must be really smoking weed or so, because what sensible company would release phones like Vivaz AND Vivaz Pro, X10 Mini AND X10 Mini Pro? Who would buy non-Pro version anyway?
Anyway, today I'm going to buy and try X2, so I expect myself to join the ranks of angry Xperia users :-D
(But with my demands there is no alternative save maybe for B7610 which proven to be a fail )

Actual possibility of Froyo being released soon

While speaking to a representative about the issue, she simply told me there was no official word on when 2.2 would make it to the USA. I began to go into detail, and I expressed to her that a top notch device should not be running obsolete software in less than 6 months. i asked her to explain why users were told 2.2 was coming soon back in september. after a while of talking, she finally told me that she "understands my frustration" and that 2.2 would be coming "in the upcoming days"
to me, this sounds better than the "upcoming weeks"
I also read in the epic forums that theres a rumored date of December 26th. As a skeptical XDA reader, I dismissed it as rumor. However, the comment from the representative is making me reconsider that.
She also gave me a number for support which i was unaware of. Maybe if everyone calls, they'll be reminded that we are the users who bought their top of the line product less than 6 months ago.
1-877-EZ2GALAXY
UPDATE:
Internal docs suggest froyo release on sprint is very soon. what i want to know, is if all the carriers have their finished builds and they're waiting for samsung, or if its the other way around.
http://www.androidcentral.com/leaked-image-confirms-epic-4gs-froyo-update-starts-dec-26

Speaking as someone who has worked cell phone customer service and tech support... Do you know when the reps will know when 2.2 is shipping? When they sign in for the day and get a call from a customer saying they received an update notification.

does anyone really care when it's actually released? With all the different flavors of ROMS you can install, who on here is actually waiting for the official anymore?

I care. I don't use other ROMS. I can't take the risk. I use my phone daily for business use and personal use. I need a stable, fast, and responsive phone that works the way it is expected to work. ROMS are great, and if I was a kid in high school or college I would use them, but now I need to have stability. The ROMS aren't stable and they are in a constant state of flux. There are way too many versions and flavors and I don't have the time to test and debug all of them. They don't have 24/7 technical support behind them. The official 2.2.1 will be stable and will have the technical backing. So, yes, I am waiting patiently for the official update to be sent to my phone.

Yeah seriously. Good for you bro, I'll proabably be running Gingerbread once you get your Froyo update. Take matters into your own hands and upgrade, or just stop, she told you that to get you off the phone. *******. Plus a little heads up, but 2.2 is not an OTA update, you'll have to DL and install yourself. It's not always as easy as a little popup window with an OK button.

kmfisher said:
I care. I don't use other ROMS. I can't take the risk. I use my phone daily for business use and personal use. I need a stable, fast, and responsive phone that works the way it is expected to work. ROMS are great, and if I was a kid in high school or college I would use them, but now I need to have stability. The ROMS aren't stable and they are in a constant state of flux. There are way too many versions and flavors and I don't have the time to test and debug all of them. They don't have 24/7 technical support behind them. The official 2.2.1 will be stable and will have the technical backing. So, yes, I am waiting patiently for the official update to be sent to my phone.
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How are they "unstable" The custom ROMs have issues yes, but so does the Official releases.
Most Dev's will help you, or anyone on here if you have problems, it's not hard. If you want to wait by my guest, but you'll probably be waiting longer than you think. Stop worrying about when you'll get the official and just load up a ROM or stick with your JI6 or JFD and wait..

@presence and joe
Some people have things to do. I personally like roms, but they are NOT stable. It is an absolute joke that a high end device will not run software of a current iteration. Also, I don't appreciate being called an idiot. I've been rooting since the G1, and I've used more roms, hacks, and mods than you could count.
The fact of the matter is that a company is offering NO support on a high end product. This is bigger than a stupid phone, it's the fact that large companies can lie in order to move a product, then ignore their own customers.

kmfisher said:
I care. I don't use other ROMS. I can't take the risk. I use my phone daily for business use and personal use. I need a stable, fast, and responsive phone that works the way it is expected to work. ROMS are great, and if I was a kid in high school or college I would use them, but now I need to have stability. The ROMS aren't stable and they are in a constant state of flux. There are way too many versions and flavors and I don't have the time to test and debug all of them. They don't have 24/7 technical support behind them. The official 2.2.1 will be stable and will have the technical backing. So, yes, I am waiting patiently for the official update to be sent to my phone.
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Perhaps XDA DEVELOPERS is not the site for you?
Not to sound harsh... Also, I realize it's just out of ignorance (honesly dont mean that to be rude), but if you would try one of the custom froyo roms you would probably realize how much better your phone can be. I've never had a FC or an app not work.... better gps... better signal... better battery....
The latest leaks might very well be the official froyo.....

What you got from the T-Mobile rep is just another post in the line of heard it from my uncle's, sister's friend's dog's vet kind of thing.
But, the Epic rumor does seem real, so that might be a good sign for us.
Plus, reports are the JL5 is very polished.

@lex
i actually still have the chat window open. idk if i can post pics cuz when im on XDA i usually dont log in or reply to posts. i mostly use it for reading material lol.
but i'll post a good portion of the chat window:
Stella: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?
Matthew: Hello
Matthew: I was wondering about the 2.2 update for galaxy s?
Stella: Hi Matthew.
Stella: I understand that you are looking for Android 2.2 update for your Samsung Mobile. Am I correct?
Matthew: That is correct
Stella: Thank you for the confirmation.
Stella: Unfortunately, as of now Android 2.2 is not Officially released in US.
Stella: Once it is released, it will be notified on the Samsung Website. You will get the notification on the phone over the air from your carrier Server.
Matthew: I've heard since I got the phone in July that 2.2 was on the horizon. It was supposed to be mid september.
Matthew: then by mid october
Matthew: and finally early november
Stella: I can understand that you have been waiting for so long for the update
Stella: Unfortunately there is no update available at this time for your phone, nor is there an estimated date of one being released. We are unable to speculate when/if a software revision might be available due to the fact that this might lead to inaccurate information and confusion.
Matthew: I see
Matthew: but now i hear from samsung officially that 2.3 will not be available
Stella: Unfortunately, We in Samsung do not have the exact information of future updates or releases.
Matthew: the phone is less than 6 months old and can't get updates anymore?
Stella: I apologize for the delay.
Stella: However, the update should be released in upcoming days.
the chat continued and then:
Stella: I recommend you contact Samsung Voice Support at 1-877-EZ2GALAXY (1-877-392-4252). They are available Mon.-Fri. 7 a.m. - 9 p.m. CST, Sat. 9 a.m. - 6 p.m. CST.
Stella: They will provide you the information in detail.
That's all I'm saying. If they know anything, and they say a few days, it just adds a little more validity to the rumors we've all grown so tired of.

Also, I have used the leaked builds since JI6 was a leak. JK2 JK6 JL1 JL4 I even used JL5 and Cyanogen mod betas. This was until I realized that I LIKE to keep my data for more than a week before having to flash to stay up to date.

BS to the "not stable" roms.
run stock jk2/jk6/jl4 etc. and see what 2.2 really has in stock form--NEVER a FC or issue. You want 2.2? FLASH IT.

"The upcoming days" is simply business speak for "eventually, but I really have no idea when. It might be literally a couple days, or it could be months."
File under "I know a guy..."

TheSneakerWhore said:
BS to the "not stable" roms.
run stock jk2/jk6/jl4 etc. and see what 2.2 really has in stock form--NEVER a FC or issue. You want 2.2? Void your warranty and install a third party version of it!
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FTFY
I flashed custom ROMS the second they were available, however this is not an acceptable solution for a business. "DIY" is not end-user support.

gallagherm1993 said:
Stella: I recommend you contact Samsung Voice Support at 1-877-EZ2GALAXY (1-877-392-4252). They are available Mon.-Fri. 7 a.m. - 9 p.m. CST, Sat. 9 a.m. - 6 p.m. CST.
Stella: They will provide you the information in detail.
That's all I'm saying. If they know anything, and they say a few days, it just adds a little more validity to the rumors we've all grown so tired of.
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Call that number, I'm sure they won't tell you anymore than T-Mobile support will.

TheSneakerWhore said:
BS to the "not stable" roms.
run stock jk2/jk6/jl4 etc. and see what 2.2 really has in stock form--NEVER a FC or issue. You want 2.2? FLASH IT.
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None of these are stable. If they were stable, Samsung would have released them. All of them have failed Samsung's and T-Mobile's internal testing for one reason or another. Yet, they are put into ROMS with little or no testing. Not to mention the ROMS don't actually fix things. They rely on fixes from Samsung engineers in order to improve.
When you read issues about ROMS where MMS doesn't work, or volume buttons don't work, that is a big issue. That is not stable. I respect the ROM community. They do a great service for phone users itching for the latest and greatest. From a business perspective however they cannot be used. Business users can't have major features of phones not working. They can't be forced to have to reenter their data.
When a 2.2 upgrade passes Samsung and T-Mobile internal testing, then it will be released and will be supported. That's when I will upgrade, and that's why I want an official upgrade.

kmfisher said:
None of these are stable. If they were stable, Samsung would have released them. All of them have failed Samsung's and T-Mobile's internal testing for one reason or another. Yet, they are put into ROMS with little or no testing. Not to mention the ROMS don't actually fix things. They rely on fixes from Samsung engineers in order to improve.
When you read issues about ROMS where MMS doesn't work, or volume buttons don't work, that is a big issue. That is not stable. I respect the ROM community. They do a great service for phone users itching for the latest and greatest. From a business perspective however they cannot be used. Business users can't have major features of phones not working. They can't be forced to have to reenter their data.
When a 2.2 upgrade passes Samsung and T-Mobile internal testing, then it will be released and will be supported. That's when I will upgrade, and that's why I want an official upgrade.
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I beg to differ but everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

kmfisher said:
None of these are stable. If they were stable, Samsung would have released them. All of them have failed Samsung's and T-Mobile's internal testing for one reason or another. Yet, they are put into ROMS with little or no testing. Not to mention the ROMS don't actually fix things. They rely on fixes from Samsung engineers in order to improve.
When you read issues about ROMS where MMS doesn't work, or volume buttons don't work, that is a big issue. That is not stable. I respect the ROM community. They do a great service for phone users itching for the latest and greatest. From a business perspective however they cannot be used. Business users can't have major features of phones not working. They can't be forced to have to reenter their data.
When a 2.2 upgrade passes Samsung and T-Mobile internal testing, then it will be released and will be supported. That's when I will upgrade, and that's why I want an official upgrade.
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This guy its actually correct.
When your in a business that you have to use your phone alot, I wouldn't be messing with it and he's correct about devs relying on samsung for all, of this. The froyo leak gave all the devs a chance to start on froyo.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

kmfisher said:
I care. I don't use other ROMS. I can't take the risk. I use my phone daily for business use and personal use. I need a stable, fast, and responsive phone that works the way it is expected to work. ROMS are great, and if I was a kid in high school or college I would use them, but now I need to have stability. The ROMS aren't stable and they are in a constant state of flux. There are way too many versions and flavors and I don't have the time to test and debug all of them. They don't have 24/7 technical support behind them. The official 2.2.1 will be stable and will have the technical backing. So, yes, I am waiting patiently for the official update to be sent to my phone.
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I myself do not feel like reentering data or reinstalling apps every 3 days. the rom community is great. and it worked fine for my G1 when cyanogen came out with a rom every month or two. but there are several new roms every week. each with a minor, but still existant issue. I love roms. and if i had another phone, I'd use one for roms and the other for stable, official releases.

[INFO] Euro 3.1 upgrade ?when?

First i must say i do love my XOOM !
Having blamed Motorola for ages now i suddenly realised it may actaully be Googles fault that we Euro Xoom owners are not yet using 3.1 on our devices.
First i spotted a blog post about the Galaxy tab 10 inch over at TheUnwiredViewwhich clearly indicates Google are having issues with 3.1 releases and timing, and then after posting the story myself at TECHELD.com i received a Tweet from MOTOROLA indicating that it is indeed Google who have not yet released the European build !! Who to believe ??
How true this is isnt clear when you see Asus releasing 3.1 to Europe in contradiction to all of this but it does offer a glimmer of hope for the near future.
It also indicates that may be we should be less quick to jump at Motorola without first examining the possibilities that our beloved Android creators Google may be the source of our long wait for Honeycomb 3.1 ....
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Very interesting post. However all the evidence points to Motorola being the problem.
Firstly they have broken promises regarding the SD Card activation. Is this Google's fault also? This is a classic case of a big US company ignoring its overseas customers and not even having the courtesy to release a statement as to why the delays have occurred.
I like many others in Europe liked my Xoom at first but will look elsewhere when purchasing again and will never consider Motorola as a viable option again. Motorola are a disgrace and I am a very very unhappy customer. If I could return my Xoom I would....

You may be right, but why is there virtually no information about this, coming from Motorola .... except some non-information about the release of 3.1 for Canadian Xooms? Whoever is responsible for this, it will be Motorola's reputation that's going to suffer ... and reputation translates to $$$ in terms of profit and shareholder value.
As so often happens, communication is lacking!
Gordon1M

Google or Motorola ?
Google or Motorola ?
Who should we blame ? - im not saying im 100 percent correct with my findings but i have to say Google are pretty slow in getting products working outside of the US,
eg- Google Voice - not working here in UK
eg- Google Music - not working here in UK
eg- Google Books - not working here in UK
eg- Google SMS - not working here in UK
im not having an all out anti Google Rant here but lets just consider that as the Xoom was the device Andy Rubin held in hand on stage and told us all was the genuine article , a proper Google Experience tablet with no fragmentation issues we should be aware that Google may be the ones holding the reigns ..
Im not a huge Motorola fan either and since they seem to think users installing apps on phones makes phones go faulty i dont exactly hang on every word their press team says - but we do need to keep an open mind.
Roll on 3.1 update !!!

Whoever's fault it turns out to be, the whole situation is a mess.
I think if Moto or Google just gave us some info, some communication on whats going on, then most people would cool down. Its the lack of any info / news that really gets people irate.
Samsung made the same mistake with the Froyo update for Galaxy S and everyone jumped down their throat....I think sammy learned a lesson from that, lets hope moto do to.

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Whoever's fault it turns out to be, the whole situation is a mess.
I think if Moto or Google just gave us some info, some communication on whats going on, then most people would cool down. Its the lack of any info / news that really gets people irate.
Samsung made the same mistake with the Froyo update for Galaxy S and everyone jumped down their throat....I think sammy learned a lesson from that, lets hope moto do to.
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Thats the point!!!!

add to the list that Amazon AppStore is US only - that winds me up too
although i thought i read somewhere that google pushed out updates for US 3g/wifi version, and Moto were responsible for the rest...

This rumor looks highly credible and in my view, this is clearly Google being Google. They have traditionally let their vendors take the heat for delays/deficiencies in order to preserve Android's image. Vendors have been willing to do so as Google has an inbuilt way to enforce compliance, since the Vendors compete yearly to produce the next Nexus device, and Google has shown they are very willing to withhold cooperation from vendors that piss them off.
In this case, they have screwed the Xoom in Europe for the time being, but they have even dealt a lower blow to Samsung, who has been one of their biggest backers and the source of the number one Phone series in the world right now, the Galaxy S. The new Tabs now have to sit in storage all across Europe for two months....the inventory hits alone will be staggering. If this is how Google treats it's partners, I would hate to be a company they don't like. Then again, screwing over its partners does Google's supposed main rival, Apple, a big favor. Counter productive much?
So HAS Google blocked HC 3.1 in Europe for two months....if so, Why? It could be something due to EU regulations, or some kind of internal Google politics. Supposedly part of the reason that Google won;t release the HC Source is because they are embarrassed by certain flaws in it....but if they are really working on improving the 3.1 code, then why release it in the US in the first place (and then release more devices in the US that run it in a few days)?
All very strange, but one thing is clear if these rumors are true....everyone who has been saying they will never by a Moto product again due to the Euro upgrade delays owe Motorola an apology. Frustrating, sure...but not Motorola's fault.
Has the Asus Transformer 3.1 update rolled out in Europe yet? It was supposed to this week I think....but now I imagine it will mysterious not appear. So much for everyone howling about Asus punking Motorola on 3.1 and how they should have bought a Transformer.
Good thing this is a big boat we are all in.

asus 3.1
Over now to ASUS..
ASUS it seems have proven that 3.1 is available to uk manufactured or shiped devices but im uncertain as to this availability being due to the fact ASUS have a non 3g device for it to install on.
this could mean the issue holding 3.1 back for Xoom is simply a 3g-H problem, the US model is CDMA i think so this could be a clue, so good luck to ASUS pad owners who have no sim card to worry about..
PS non 3g Xooms ( wifi only ) can upgrade by flashing the US rom !!

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Over now to ASUS..
ASUS it seems have proven that 3.1 is available to uk manufactured or shiped devices but im uncertain as to this availability being due to the fact ASUS have a non 3g device for it to install on.
this could mean the issue holding 3.1 back for Xoom is simply a 3g-H problem, the US model is CDMA i think so this could be a clue, so good luck to ASUS pad owners who have no sim card to worry about..
PS non 3g Xooms ( wifi only ) can upgrade by flashing the US rom !!
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Let's wait and see what happens Wednesday morning...personally I think this will be canceled before then, assuming the rumors are true about Samsung.
If it IS canceled, will Google take the blame, or will Asus blame some technical snafu with the OTA...or just remain mute about it?

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All very strange, but one thing is clear if these rumors are true....everyone who has been saying they will never by a Moto product again due to the Euro upgrade delays owe Motorola an apology. Frustrating, sure...but not Motorola's fault.
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I don't believe as paid customers we own Motorola any apologies what so ever for the delay. Since Motorola have not give us any meaningful info on 3.1 update schedule outside the US.
We've paid our money to Motorola for both the hardware and software, they are responsible for repair and updates. If there are issuers with Google, it is Motorola's responsibility to sort it out and keep their customers informed.
Two months of more waiting for an update thats already out in the US is nothing but a joke. Especially we need the update to fix many bugs in 3.01. I'll not buy another Motorola product if I've to wait until August, and likely swap the Xoom for an ipad if there are significant improvements in IOS 5.
I got the felling that Honeycomb is just a stop gap in Google's road map for tablet OS until ice cream sandwich arrives. Isn't there a theory around that one of the reason Google did not make the Honeycomb codes public is they don't want people to see how bad the codes are hacked together.

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I don't believe as paid customers we own Motorola any apologies what so ever for the delay. Since Motorola have not give us any meaningful info on 3.1 update schedule outside the US.
Two months of more waiting for an update thats already out in the US is nothing but a joke. Especially we need the update to fix many bugs in 3.01.
I got the felling that Honeycomb is just a stop gap in Google's road map for tablet OS until ice cream sandwich arrives. Isn't there a theory around that one of the reason Google did not make the Honeycomb code public is they don't want people to see how bad the codes are hacked together.
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First, remember part of why you have gotten no info from Motorola is that Google may not be ALLOWING any info to be issued. That is very very Google.
Second, yes I agree about ICS. I am quite sure that Honeycomb is a dead end that will not go beyond 3.1. After Google has changed their roadmap, and is now focusing on ICS as a single version for all devices. Personally, I have hopes we will see an official ICS update for the Xoom. If not, I am sure someone on XDA will hack together a ROM from the released sources.
And speaking of courses....yes, the prevailing wisdom is that the Honeycomb code is inherently flawed and patched together, lacking elegance. Therefore Google doesn't want it exposed. I personally believe that.
I am still waiting for Wednesday. If Thursday dawns and the Transformers are still running 3.0.1, I will take that as confirmation of the rumor that Honeycomb is being blocked in Europe by Google.

blame who
yeah..
going back to the comment about Moto's silence - this could well be Googles silence in fact... and Motorola despite manufacturing the Xoom probably dont have much control over the software entirely because this is a 'Google Experience' device.
it might be worth noting that when the update surfaces it will most likely hit the air waves via a Google server, Google=Control !
despite all this i must say that we all knew the Xoom was early to stores with half baked software and non functional sd card etc, i personally still love my Xoom and once a few more months pass by and more dev work is done ill be flashing a custom rom anyway! - gotta look at it from the long term point of view.
nearly 2 years ago i bought a HTC HD2 knowing that i would love Android to run on it, it took about 7 months before that goal was realized but the process of getting linux working on it was just about as much fun as i ever had with a device. - my point ? early adopters are always faced with bugs and trials to overcome, !!
Back to the ASUS again, it looks like last week was 3.1 day >>
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-gets-android-3-1-update-right-on-schedu/

sooo, maybe we can port windows CE, or maybe ME then again a bit of NT then we would have windows CE ME NT omg an old joke but great time to ressurect that old chestnut....oh bring back cobol etc back to prehistoric

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Back to the ASUS again, it looks like last week was 3.1 day >>
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-gets-android-3-1-update-right-on-schedu/
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Was this in the US or Europe...hard to work out location.

It is very easy for Motorola to blame someone else.
SD card slot not functioning? Blame Google ...
Still no LTE update? Blame Nvidia ...
No 3.1 for European? Blame Google ...
What next?
Where is their responsibility?
In the future, Motorola will release next version of Xoom, and say
"RAM will be increased in the coming months" ....
"Toaster functionality will be activated in the next software release" ...
And people will still flock to buy this kind of new dirty marketing tactics.
To my surprised, in the US, people usually file class action lawsuit. When will that happen? ....
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First i must say i do love my XOOM !
Having blamed Motorola for ages now i suddenly realised it may actaully be Googles fault that we Euro Xoom owners are not yet using 3.1 on our devices.
First i spotted a blog post about the Galaxy tab 10 inch over at TheUnwiredViewwhich clearly indicates Google are having issues with 3.1 releases and timing, and then after posting the story myself at TECHELD.com i received a Tweet from MOTOROLA indicating that it is indeed Google who have not yet released the European build !! Who to believe ??
How true this is isnt clear when you see Asus releasing 3.1 to Europe in contradiction to all of this but it does offer a glimmer of hope for the near future.
It also indicates that may be we should be less quick to jump at Motorola without first examining the possibilities that our beloved Android creators Google may be the source of our long wait for Honeycomb 3.1 ....
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Was this in the US or Europe...hard to work out location.
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Both! There was a US and WW OTA to 3.1 for the TF.
Google blocking 3.1 in Europe? Doesn't look that way.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Both! There was a US and WW OTA to 3.1 for the TF.
Google blocking 3.1 in Europe? Doesn't look that way.
Regards,
Dave
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That is very interesting....Now will the Tab 10.1 appear in Europe or not?

gogol said:
It is very easy for Motorola to blame someone else.
SD card slot not functioning? Blame Google ...
Still no LTE update? Blame Nvidia ...
No 3.1 for European? Blame Google ...
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For the SD card...blame being a Google Experience device. Asus has a working SD card on release due to a proprietary hack (likely similar to the one used in XDA to enable the functionality). As a Google Experience device, Motorola CANNOT hack the code before release...and the Samsung Tab 10.1? Doesn't even have the physical slot for one.
For the LTE Update....that is probably a mix of Moto screwing up the logistics of a hardware update to already released products (the idea was stupid to begin with, just sounds like a nightmare), and the carriers not having the networks ready to support it, thus delaying the whole thing. However I agree the lack of info is ALL Moto's fault on this score.
No 3.1 in Europe...This still seems like Google putting the brakes on this, no reason for Moto to do so that I can think of, at least not for the WiFi models. Asus may have gotten away with it due to the lack of Google Experience restraints. I will be VERY interested to see if the Samsung Tab 10.1 comes out in Europe soon.

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Google or Motorola ?
Who should we blame ? - im not saying im 100 percent correct with my findings but i have to say Google are pretty slow in getting products working outside of the US,
eg- Google Voice - not working here in UK
eg- Google Music - not working here in UK
eg- Google Books - not working here in UK
eg- Google SMS - not working here in UK
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Taking the first 3 of these, there are very good reasons why these are not available in the UK.
Firstly - Google Voice: The US phone market works very differently to that in the UK (and the rest of Europe).
Firstly, in the US, there is no such thing as a mobile area code (think 07xxxx numbers in the UK), so your landline can often have the same area code as your mobile, and the cost for calling either is identical. In the UK, mobile numbers are handled via the 07xxxx dialing codes, and are charged differently from local and national calls.
In addition, if you call a mobile number both the caller and the call recipient effectively "pay" for the call. This might be real money, or it might be out of inclusive minutes, but the net effect it the same.
So, in the US, if you have a cell plan with say 1000 minutes, that 1000 minutes of calls both made and received within the US and there is no difference in cost between calling a mobile or a landline. In the UK, that 1000 minutes only relates calls you make - you can receive as many calls as you like without cost or reducing your inclusive minutes.
If Google were to launch Google Voice in the UK "as is", it would cost them a fortune every time someone use GV to call a mobile number.
There are pluses and minus to both systems, but personally, I'm not keen on the idea of having to "pay" to receive a phone call from a cold-calling double glazing company!
Next up - Google Music and Google Books: quite simply, Google has to come to a licensing agreement with the copyright holders in each individual territory. This has been done in the US, but not in the UK. It will likely come, but will need to wait until those licensing agreements are in place. This is no different to Google Navigation - in the US, Google "owns" all its map data and can therefore do with it as it wishes, but the UK they licensed maps from Teleatlas and had to come with an agreement with them for use with turn-by-turn navigation.
Although Google is a massive multinational, it's primary operations are in the US, and so it's natural for them to prioritise the US market.
Regards,
Dave

Anyone a little shocked?

I am, and I'll tell you why.
Samsung hasn't even started building a GB ROM for our phone, and that's kind of weird to me, because I would think that they would have something.
I don't remember where I read this, and this could be wrong, but doesn't the carrier has to request the update, and then the manufacturer builds it? (I can be COMPLETELY wrong, so don't hold me to this) If that's true, then we may not see a GB build, because T-Mobile USA wouldn't request it.
Tell me what you think, because this interests me a lot.

Where did you get this info? that they haven't started the gingerbread for us.
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iynfynity said:
Where did you get this info? that they haven't started the gingerbread for us.
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http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/81421451059671040
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/81257522966700032
There.
They posted the GS4G leak, the Cappy leak, and they have a leak for the Epic 4G.

since there have been no vibrant leaks, it automatically means they have not started building it?

sroach23 said:
since there have been no vibrant leaks, it automatically means they have not started building it?
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It's not that, SamFirmware stated (and I honestly believe them, if they found all these leaks for other phones so quickly), that there's no Vibrant (SGH-T959) build, which could mean A LOT of things, possibly something as simple as Samsung is really lazy and doesn't want to upload it, but it would mean more.
I'm just saying, I don't know what's up, but I'd like to know more.

And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.

djquick said:
And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.
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Unfortunately, this is most likely the truth. :/
I hope they don't forget us. All we want is a leak.

Relax, It'll be released in a couple months for sure. Enjoy the new ROM's with working GPS this weekend

VICosPhi said:
Relax, It'll be released in a couple months for sure. Enjoy the new ROM's with working GPS this weekend
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THAT's the only thing good thing for us about all these leaks, we have working GPS now.

djquick said:
And they probably won't, at least not in the near future since there are a ****load of new 4G phones coming out in the near future. The Vibrant is old news already like yesterdays dirty laundry. Technology advances faster than you can fart.
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I fart very fast...
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I noticed that as well. But you have to remember that T-Mobile plays real dirty. Remember when we had 2.2 leaks back late November (JK2)? It didn't become official until #NeverAgain made such a huge PR mess for them that Samsung & T-Mobile had to release it. But it was up until then, that T-Mobile didn't want to update out phones because of the pending MT4G & SGS4G release, dirty mfers...

By the way this issue gets more complicated now with the AT&T merger. AT&T strongly believes that updates are not good for business. From their point of view if they don't do updates it gives users more reasons to upgrade to new phones.
So if TMo was borderline crap about this already, the adoption by AT&T is only going to delay things further.
What does that mean for us, enjoy the awesome roms on xda and forget about TMo.
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Just read da tweets someone should just port from 4g to us
Ya boy

Ya, but Google kind of helped us all out with that. Its not up to the carriers if a phone is going to get an update anymore. If Manufactures want to use Android they have to abide by the 18 month update cycle this goes for carriers too. They have to provided updates to newer versions of Android during the first 18 month of a phones life. Our Vibrants really only have six months left of that 18 though. So don't expect an official Ice Cream Sandwich update. I wish google had been enforcing this rule back in the days of the original cliq and cliq xt. The poor XT didn't even get an update out of 1.5. I think Google has gotten tired of all the negative press that manufactures are developing because of the unwillingness to update phones. Of course as you we all know a lot of this has to do with carriers not wanting these updates or their need for unreasonable software packages they want add to the update packages.

How shock i am? Look at this pic.
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Hmm I don't see it as a problem, well at least as long as we have the vibrant 4g, I'm just waiting for the sgs2, then I'll be gone

Well we cant be mad at samsung as its not there fault its tmobil. Most of us will be moving to hercules or sgs2 anyway so no worries crying over this in my opinion.

Yeah, I think it's time to accept the likelihood that Samsung/T-mo won't be providing much further development or support for the Vibrant given the new product lines. It doesn't mean it'll be obsolete though. Thanks developers!

what does it matter? theres literaly pages upon pages of custom rom's out there that are 100000x BETTER Then what any company puts out in the first place.
im pretty sure for a big majority of people here the first thing they do when they get a new phone is wipe it out and start over fresh.
what is it you want exactly, a bloated gingerbread rom from samsung full of **** you dont need or use?
what a useless thread

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what does it matter? theres literaly pages upon pages of custom rom's out there that are 100000x BETTER Then what any company puts out in the first place.
im pretty sure for a big majority of people here the first thing they do when they get a new phone is wipe it out and start over fresh.
what is it you want exactly, a bloated gingerbread rom from samsung full of **** you dont need or use?
what a useless thread
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Believe me it does matter.
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Exclusive! Android 5.1 release date and features revealed! /

"Our source has informed us that Android 5.1 will be launched by the end of February 2015, and a second, completely separate source that is also privy to important information regarding Android updates, confirmed it. Not only that, this is allegedly a rather large update with many interesting new features! See the changelog below:"
Silent mode added after missing on Android 5.0
General improvements in system stability
Improved RAM management
Fixes for sudden app closures
Improved battery management
Excessive consumption of network devices when used Wi-Fi fixed
Issues with wireless connections fixed
Problems with Okay Google function solved
Notifications problems solved
Some sound problems experience by certain devices fixed
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Changes in the Material Design color palette (after users complaints, possibly for a higher version though)Exclusive Android 5.1 release date and improvements revealed - AndroidPIT
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Was hoping for sooner, but still good news that it is coming. Thanks for the information.
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I thought I heard all of this in the android central or android police podcast last week, is this something new?

Droid and Maxx are high end and flagships and are the last to receive updates
mmmm....Motorola

danger2u said:
Droid and Maxx are high end and flagships and are the last to receive updates
mmmm....Motorola
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It actually does seem like a Motorola problem now that we've seen how quickly Verizon can get software updates out. I'm a little bit annoyed but after seeing how many bugs are in the current 5.0 update and how many user complaints there have been, I'm more than happy to wait for this 5.1 update if that's what it takes to get a proper working phone.

To the last two posters: the OP is only talking about 5.1 release, not the 5.0 release for us
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Came looking for an exclusive. Found news i read weeks ago and from a questionable source. Left dissatisfied.

joshm.1219 said:
I thought I heard all of this in the android central or android police podcast last week, is this something new?
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Nope. Nor is it a reliable source.

adrynalyne said:
Nope. Nor is it a reliable source.
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Thanks lol thought I was having some weird deja vu thing

I've read substantially the same from other sources making it in my mind at least credible but I do agree this is old news and worse the title of the thread is misleading. Bad on you OP.

krabman said:
I've read substantially the same from other sources making it in my mind at least credible but I do agree this is old news and worse the title of the thread is misleading. Bad on you OP.
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Those other sources merely parotted androidpit.
Bad case of blogger-itis.

No, Google Senior Software Engineer Chet Haase was spotted running it on his device at Devoxx and there was a slide of it showing during the conference while Google itself on its own forums is saying it will be coming sooner rather than later. The pit isn't the most reliable source and sometimes like other "leakers" I think they just take their best guess and throw it out there saying they heard it somewhere but in this case it appears they may actually know something.
Personally I don't worry about it, I'm old, I like KK, and am running LP on another device anyways. Unlike a lot of people I find LP more window dressing than anything else and in some ways a step backwards in the name of collecting iphone converts. Thats the gist of a different thread...

krabman said:
No, Google Senior Software Engineer Chet Haase was spotted running it on his device at Devoxx and there was a slide of it showing during the conference while Google itself on its own forums is saying it will be coming sooner rather than later. The pit isn't the most reliable source and sometimes like other "leakers" I think they just take their best guess and throw it out there saying they heard it somewhere but in this case it appears they may actually know something.
Personally I don't worry about it, I'm old, I like KK, and am running LP on another device anyways. Unlike a lot of people I find LP more window dressing than anything else and in some ways a step backwards in the name of collecting iphone converts. Thats the gist of a different thread...
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Show me?
Edit: nevermind. People are just noting mr1, which is a branch name, and that was back in early November.
It should be noted that it was probably 5.0.1 and/or was an experimental branch that they worked in. This isn't unheard of and isn't an indicator of a soon release.
People are noting history where mr1 meant a .1 release. Google doesn't always follow that logic of course; Android 4.0 to 4.1 was ICS to Jellybean.

OP has one post. I wouldn't bet on anything in this thread.

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Edit: nevermind. People are just noting mr1, which is a branch name, and that was back in early November.
It should be noted that it was probably 5.0.1 and/or was an experimental branch that they worked in. This isn't unheard of and isn't an indicator of a soon release.
People are noting history where mr1 meant a .1 release. Google doesn't always follow that logic of course; Android 4.0 to 4.1 was ICS to Jellybean.
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I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I'm traveling and thought that I had answered the post quotes I had standing. Hard to say what "it" is but history says that when these guys are running a point release rather than a point zero release it comes to fruition. For example when 2.0 mr1 was seen in the wild it became 2.1 and when 3.0 MR1 ws spotted it became 3.1. There is another example but I cant think of it and data is major bucks where I am right now so I'm not going to search. As to the forums me about about a million other people troll googles forums reading post from google which for those that don't know is usually someone from google who jumps in the mix. I've no idea how much if any official sanction these folks have but one thing that I do know is that when these guys say something along the lines of send me "x" or "we're working on it" this means its coming soon. In truth I had assumed this leak was based on seeing Haase and the other guy from google at the conference combined with what they figured was coming based on trolling googles forums pretty much like me and everyone else does.
Is all that accurate? I don't know. I try and read what is out there and make my best guess like anyone else.

krabman said:
I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I'm traveling and thought that I had answered the post quotes I had standing. Hard to say what "it" is but history says that when these guys are running a point release rather than a point zero release it comes to fruition. For example when 2.0 mr1 was seen in the wild it became 2.1 and when 3.0 MR1 ws spotted it became 3.1. There is another example but I cant think of it and data is major bucks where I am right now so I'm not going to search. As to the forums me about about a million other people troll googles forums reading post from google which for those that don't know is usually someone from google who jumps in the mix. I've no idea how much if any official sanction these folks have but one thing that I do know is that when these guys say something along the lines of send me "x" or "we're working on it" this means its coming soon. In truth I had assumed this leak was based on seeing Haase and the other guy from google at the conference combined with what they figured was coming based on trolling googles forums pretty much like me and everyone else does.
Is all that accurate? I don't know. I try and read what is out there and make my best guess like anyone else.
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Well again, that was back before 5.0 was really out, and history has shown inconsistencies, ala 4.0 >4.1.

I'm largely unconcerned and I'm not saying I think anything. A lot of times the blogs run with information that has no support externally and one simply reposts from another. In this case there is external support although as you point out it is not strong. I'm not advocating one way or the other simply saying it exists, not that its existence means that the information is correct. I myself haven't made that leap, not enough there for me to do anything other than not immediately dismiss it as utter crap which is what I would have done without it.