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After i see a couple of threats closed and after this words i must say somethig, and if you want you may delete or do whatever yoy want!
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I must said That I'm tyred of you position and presumption over people.
If this is supously a forum for discuss ideas and point of views than i think You're not beave as you should.
If This isnt a forum to discuss ideas and pointsman of viewdata, than, congratulations for your beavement.
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With this behavior you remind me a presitent of my country since 30's to 75. Salasar. If you don't know who he was search Wikipedia. National fascism. Who try to silence others.
That's what you are doing here with You're commentary and behaviors.
finaly.
Since and unfortunately anybody until now can crack the bootloader we must discuss something EVEN ANGEL's SEX. but i think you won't admirer. RIGHT?!
Sorry for my enghish. If it wasn't good enough for you to read you can delete this.
i think this is the thing you like best. Being superior.
Thks. And until someday.
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Very trigger happy mods here. I mod on various forums too and you need to let people talk. Like someone else said, it's not a news group and we're not communicating through carrier pigeons or anything.
Well I pm'd PiLoT and he says he will open up the 2.1 thread once it has been released so that we can discuss it. So just wait a bit guys...
I was not refering ONLY to 2.1 threat.
Just check how many threats he had closed.
Long live censured sociaties and threats.
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rendeiro2005 said:
I was not refering ONLY to 2.1 threat.
Just check how many threats he had closed.
Long live censured sociaties and threats.
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Yup I pm'd him with exactly the same stuff that you were talking about, and his reply seems reasonable (to an extent)
I've had posts deleted too. When things go pear shaped I jump in with something light hearted. I admin'd my own forum a few years a go and only deleted slanderous posts which could get you or the forum in trouble. Food for thought when there's mass SE slandering going on but a 2.1 gets removed instead..... hmmmmm....
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There should be a bit more organising of threads imo. I'd create a few new threads of some of the more common problems we are having so when a thread is closed you can be referred to the thread created by the mods.
But I do understand why some of the threads have been closed. If I'm having Market issues, I wouldn't dream of starting a new thread because there is just so many already, and that goes for most of the topics/questions that keep geting asked over and over.
Everyone needs to have thick skin on the internet. I am a genuine, caring person in real life but I'm not afraid to be a bit of a **** from time to time. I don't troll people and I'll drop it after a post or two. Most people are like that too.
The big problem makers just need to be banned. We don't need to nanny everyone and close all the threads.
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I've had posts deleted too. When things go pear shaped I jump in with something light hearted. I admin'd my own forum a few years a go and only deleted slanderous posts which could get you or the forum in trouble. Food for thought when there's mass SE slandering going on but a 2.1 gets removed instead..... hmmmmm....
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I personaly dont bother if we had or not 2.1
What bothets to me is JUST because someone gtes a "little"
pissoff dicided to close something
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Personally I agree with him with most - not all - the threads he closed, all of them would end in trash talk and trolling, look at this forum and other phone forums, the xda forum should be full of guides and index threads, FAQ, etc..
Instead here we have.. well, you can see yourself, if someone said he killed a mosquito with number 2.1 printed on its back we will a make 10 page thread for it,
Another thing, mods use their free time to clean our trash instead of having sex with their gfs so you should be thankful about it,
One more thing, I live in Egypt, Google "president of Egypt" and you will see what it is that you are talking about.
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You are all lucky you do not post on the wind forums ( Orascoms carrier in canada ) Say just 1 thing thats not pro wind and you are deleted.. Not just that but dare to complain about the handset choices or coverage and you are attacked by the pro right wing wind lackies. I think ladies and gentlemen we have it good here.
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One more thing, I live in Egypt, Google "president of Egypt" and you will see what it is that you are talking about.
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On that note google Orascom ! i hear what you are saying my friend loud and clear!
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firstly i want to point out the reasons behind deleting posts
A. If someone want to voice an opinion over a matter, then they need to do so in a thread that already exists for that purpose otherwise we have, for instance, multi touch debates on the first page, if someone opens a new thread to discuss a topic thats already being discussed then its called post redundancy, and im entitled to close it.
B."Ive had it with SE, X10" or "I've Sold me X10 for whatever reason"
I Close these thread as they contribute nothing to the forum in anyway shape or form
C, 2.1 Release updates
I admit im being overbearing as far as deleting these threads go, but the reason is simple. People broke the rules. there were two threads previous to the current one that got filled with hate and arguing so the current one was opened with rules stating post only news in here, no discussion or opinions, and i got 5 pages of posts to delete, therefore i locked it as we still need to news but i want PMs
then i get 4 or more of the same thread with info we all already know and will go into the news thread as soon as i get my pms, also bear in mind because of the monumental time that the updates has taken this is by far one of the most hostile sub-forums on xda and it cant continue. therefore ive had to take a necessary measure in order to keep the piece including banning three members as they couldn't stop arguing
D, Threads posted by iHIM or his sock-puppets
This one should be self explanatory
as for the comparison to António de Oliveira Salazar well im offended ive never visited Portugal nor do i intend taking over parts of Africa
also i don't believe in deleting thread if they threaten my beliefs on behaviour and moderation there fore this is being left undeleted so you can see my point of view
also youll see from some of my deleted threads im less dictator like as i let them know they can reach me via pm for discussion if they disagree with my decision
I hope you can see my points of view and come around to agreeing with my opinion XDA shouldn't ever have a forum full of nasty comments
XperiaX10iUser said:
There should be a bit more organising of threads imo. I'd create a few new threads of some of the more common problems we are having so when a thread is closed you can be referred to the thread created by the mods.
But I do understand why some of the threads have been closed. If I'm having Market issues, I wouldn't dream of starting a new thread because there is just so many already, and that goes for most of the topics/questions that keep geting asked over and over.
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your refering to this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=678156
no illadmit the mod who made that is never seen here so if you want to make a replacement and want it stickied and you believe it will be read then creat it post it then pm me and i will delete the moderators one
there fore u can be responsible for updating
This is the first time I've ever entered the X10 forums, at -PiLoT-'s request, and I have reviewed the deletions and thread closures, and all are in line with the way other forums and mods work on other sections of XDA.
Threads are constantly going off-topic, there is flaming in about every thread I have opened, and threads supposed to be used for news and announcements are being filled with off-topic flaming, abuse and attacks against other members.
There is more trolling in this forum than in any of the others combined, and the number of duplicate threads is significant. There is only a need for one thread on something. If it's the 2.1 update, then there is an existing thread for it. If all you've come to do is flame or attack someone else on this matter, then don't.
If you are in any doubt as to the purposes of this site, please take a read of both the forum rules and the XDA mantra (in my signature). XDA was set up as a community of developers to improve their devices as much as they could. Over time it has expanded to cover more devices, but the aim remains the same.
Multiple threads on the same matter are counter-productive, and make it harder for new users to find information, so those threads may be closed for that reason. Additionally, if a new thread is made to announce "old news", it is right that it be deleted.
As I said, I have reviewed deletions, and all I have found deleted are flames, personal attacks, rude posts, off-topic nonsense or a combination of the above. The forum rules are located at http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=615 and I would encourage anyone who feels this kind of behaviour to be acceptable on XDA to read them carefully, particularly rule 2.
With regard to closing threads, this is a step taken when a thread has derailed sufficiently (and been cleaned) that allowing posting to continue would result in more flaming/off topic/abuse/junk. Closing a thread permits everyone to see the information discussed previously, and is preferable to deletion in cases such as this. Deletion is used where the contents of a thread or post are duplicates of existing material, and discussion has not developed, or containing abusive content.
As such, I can see no complaint here, as everything done is in the interests of XDA users. Nothing has been removed which is of any value (which was not duplicated in more detail elsewhere), and closed threads had either become permanent flame-wars, or were duplicates of questions or information that has been posted numerous times (thus needing closed to allow people to find the answers via search without coming across pages of flame wars over asking a question).
Again, take a read of the forum rules if you can't see anything wrong with the threads/posts that got deleted, and take a read of the XDA mantra ("What is XDA about?" in my signature)...
Honestly I don't know why you guys are complaining, if you've been following the X10 thread since the device's release back at the end of March you'll know that the problems described above by the mods were getting WAY out of hand without a proper moderator here and we all complained we needed one. Now finally we have that and people are complaining about that! I don't get it
Use the search button, then use it again...then again....then one more time. Then decide if you really need to start a new thread, more than likely you don't.
If you read any other threads on XDA they're absolutely right about this one being the worst for hostility and trolling, it was horrible for a while and I for one and very happy to see someone finally cleaning up all the **** on here and enforcing proper etiquette. Think about how much time you waste sifting through crap and ignorant opinions on here while you're looking for some legit information. The best thread here is the "Custom rom development : Devs only" and why do you think that is?
I totally agree with the MODS. Its bad enough trying to find anything in this forum without having to troll through hundreds of useless and pointless posts.
Keep up the good work Mods........
come on now, i own many previous phones before! i never seen so many threads closed, it' getting ridiculous! i used to own HTC Tytn, then HTC HD2, and now Samsung Captivate, and my gf has X10. go check out Tytn, HD2, or Captivate forums, closed thread rarely happens. isnt forum is for discussion?
update: oh, i forgot, i also used to own sony X1. haha
Just to back this up, I just moved 10 threads out of development for being questions. That's 50% of the threads visible on the first page to me...
And once I moved those 10 threads, another 10 threads came onto the front page, and every one of them was a question, complete with question tag.
Well, after some comments by moderators, I admit that:
1 - Maybe (and just maybe) have exaggerated the words, however, does not invalidate my opinion at all.
2 - I understand and agree in part (and thank) the explanations given.
3 - I admit it is not permissible certain kind of feedback from users of this forum, so obviously these comments will be deleted, however, does not seem right to close a forum discussion because of those comments even more heated (up rude). Perhaps it is more correct to call attention to certain kinds of behaviors and the consequences if they aren`t changed.
4 - I think it is preferable to "delete" comments that closing a topic (of course repeated topics obviously have to be deleted, do not argue that)
5 - is evident to me that this "call" clutter the forum X10 has to do with the fact that the devs so far failed to crack the bootloader for our X10 and the delay on the part of the SE to release a new version of Android , which leads to discussions, arguments, theories, etc. on our part.
5 - it is true and obvious that users of this sub-forum are lazier than they should and in fact should look more carefully before opening useless topics.
6 - continuo a pensar que, embora tudo o que foi explicado anteriormente seja válido, existem demasiados tópicos fechados para meu gosto. pois este e qualquer outro forum existente, serve para discussão. pois é da discussão que o mundo avança.
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translate still think that even though everything was explained earlier is valid, there are too many threads closed for my taste. for this and any other existing forum serves for discussion. because the discussion is that the world progresses.
7 - For me the issue is closed
I have gotten multiple requests from a few devs in the past week, including myn to delete links to their mirrors posted by users. Today, I had to delete a full thread about these. Stop posting links to said nighties. Devs will release the rom when it is ready to be called "beta". The reason they have not opened a new thread about this is because some people perceive the threads like this as "feelers" or with the sole purpose to draw donations, which is by no means the intention of the devs.
This is a final warning about this.
Right on man the devs work there ass off and are always working on something new and fixing problems sucks when people on here jack there links and post them all over here and then take credit for it Happy you did something about it.
It is crap that people feel the need to do things like that. Personally, I don't mess with "nightlies" unless it says AOSP. Stoked about Myn's next release though.
I agree 100%. Glad to see swift action from the XDA Admins / Mods.
Question - Should all links of the new ROMs be off limits, including changelogs and such? For instance, I noticed a link in the Warm 2.2 thread for the changelog for Myn's Synergy ROM.
jdogg836 said:
I agree 100%. Glad to see swift action from the XDA Admins / Mods.
Question - Should all links of the new ROMs be off limits, including changelogs and such? For instance, I noticed a link in the Warm 2.2 thread for the changelog for Myn's Synergy ROM.
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Changelogs for this rom can also be found in infectedrom as well afaik. If the link to the changelog has any way to link back to a mirror or a link to obtain the rom, then I would say it should be off limits. Please link me to the post in question if you can (myn's 2.2 thread is only a gazillion pages long and I don't have all eternity to look for it )
ehh, I think the issues is people don't understand that these rom's are for the experienced user. The Synergy is not released publicly yet because their is a risk some idiot will bork, brick, ruin their phone. also if you want it so badly go to the irc channel that's your best bet for getting the latest and most proper version some user's could think they're fixing something and share it on the forum and next thing you know 20+ dead device's
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Sinistertensai said:
ehh, I think the issues is people don't understand that these rom's are for the experienced user. The Synergy is not released publicly yet because their is a risk some idiot will bork, brick, ruin their phone. also if you want it so badly go to the irc channel that's your best bet for getting the latest and most proper version some user's could think they're fixing something and share it on the forum and next thing you know 20+ dead device's
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great point man.
Although I agree with their general intentions, some developers have not been acknowledging or giving access to the nightly builds even for those who have donated. It's been almost a week since I donated to a developer and have yet to even get an acknowledgement, let alone access to any nighties, and I've seen posts from others who are in the same situation. I know donating does not automatically grant access to the nighties, but I think the developers should also be more forthcoming to those who donated to them.
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Although I agree with their general intentions, some developers have not been acknowledging or giving access to the nightly builds even for those who have donated. It's been almost a week since I donated to a developer and have yet to even get an acknowledgement, let alone access to any nighties, and I've seen posts from others who are in the same situation. I know donating does not automatically grant access to the nighties, but I think the developers should also be more forthcoming to those who donated to them.
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My point exactly. You don't donate to a dev and get automatic access to nighties. You donate because you feel like giving someone something for their hard work and should expect nothing in return. If the dev so happens to grant access in lieu of donations so be it, all the better for you. However, if a dev did post something along the lines of "donators will receive access to nightly builds and early releases", then that is where we would have to step in, as that is considered selling "money for a good or service". Sorry but if you donated, you donated and that is the end of it.
is it ok if i give someone who i know has access to like the myn links, the V links?? cuz right now myns links are broken, but V's arent....... if not, i will stop.... just plz dont ban me
and congrats on your 10,000th post egzthunder!!!!
i made it right, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14567216&postcount=42026, so please, dont ban me egzthunder, i was only trying to help
JGW310 said:
is it ok if i give someone who i know has access to like the myn links, the V links?? cuz right now myns links are broken, but V's arent....... if not, i will stop.... just plz dont ban me
and congrats on your 10,000th post egzthunder!!!!
i made it right, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14567216&postcount=42026, so please, dont ban me egzthunder, i was only trying to help
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Thanks and thanks
Im posting this here, because dont know were to put this.
I think we need more moderator here in the EVO 4G Forum area, because every single Development thread, you can only see people *****ing about the same thing that is already posted, PEOPLE here Don't READ even when your are installing something in your phone that can Break it. ( If you go to a Leak ROM thread, it is clear that you cannot install thoose type of ROMs, and people always are asking that they are having issues installing the ROM, LOL)
If you go to General you can see like 10 thread of the Same Thing, In the Evo 3d Area you can see like 8 topics of Release date, 4 of Root, etc, etc.
My opinion is that we need more moderators in the Forum, The XDA community everyday is becoming bigger, so you need to take that in mind.
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Im posting this here, because dont know were to put this.
I think we need more moderator here in the EVO 4G Forum area, because every single Development thread, you can only see people *****ing about the same thing that is already posted, PEOPLE here Don't READ even when your are installing something in your phone that can Break it. ( If you go to a Leak ROM thread, it is clear that you cannot install thoose type of ROMs, and people always are asking that they are having issues installing the ROM, LOL)
If you go to General you can see like 10 thread of the Same Thing, In the Evo 3d Area you can see like 8 topics of Release date, 4 of Root, etc, etc.
My opinion is that we need more moderators in the Forum, The XDA community everyday is becoming bigger, so you need to take that in mind.
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Agreed. I volunteer
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rockypr said:
Im posting this here, because dont know were to put this.
I think we need more moderator here in the EVO 4G Forum area, because every single Development thread, you can only see people *****ing about the same thing that is already posted, PEOPLE here Don't READ even when your are installing something in your phone that can Break it. ( If you go to a Leak ROM thread, it is clear that you cannot install thoose type of ROMs, and people always are asking that they are having issues installing the ROM, LOL)
If you go to General you can see like 10 thread of the Same Thing, In the Evo 3d Area you can see like 8 topics of Release date, 4 of Root, etc, etc.
My opinion is that we need more moderators in the Forum, The XDA community everyday is becoming bigger, so you need to take that in mind.
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There are 3 moderators assigned here, plus I am always around as well as other Senior Mods. This place has become somewhat chaotic as of lately, but we will control it to the best of our abilities.
Google is your best friend. That's all I gotta say. *Hint*
Ya alot of flame wars going on. Sad people were stealin links and posting the devs hard work and claming it theres. Glad the ADMIN stopped it.
If you've made it a rule to close threads involving the posting of links to nightlies at least somewhere on the site there could be link to the rom!
There is a link posted. Goto the Incredible section and get it there.
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Im posting this here, because dont know were to put this.
I think we need more moderator here in the EVO 4G Forum area, because every single Development thread, you can only see people *****ing about the same thing that is already posted, PEOPLE here Don't READ even when your are installing something in your phone that can Break it. ( If you go to a Leak ROM thread, it is clear that you cannot install thoose type of ROMs, and people always are asking that they are having issues installing the ROM, LOL)
If you go to General you can see like 10 thread of the Same Thing, In the Evo 3d Area you can see like 8 topics of Release date, 4 of Root, etc, etc.
My opinion is that we need more moderators in the Forum, The XDA community everyday is becoming bigger, so you need to take that in mind.
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If you see anything that you feel is against the rules, or shouldn't be posted then please PM me or one of the other assigned Forum Mods for the Evo.
We can't read every individiual thread and do rely on members help. Remember this is your forum, so please help us keep it as clean as we can!
The 3 mods currently looking after this forum are:
josefcrist
toastcfh
And myself. You can PM me directly from the link in my sig.
rolfd said:
If you see anything that you feel is against the rules, or shouldn't be posted then please PM me or one of the other assigned Forum Mods for the Evo.
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THIS. rolfd has been more than helpful each and every time I have sent a private message.
Thanks!
Here's my two cents on the issue.
I'm not privvy to all the "behind-the-scenes" info, but I have seen some crap in my time here on XDA, which has solely been in the EPIC community.
Not relevant in all cases, but for instance when BThomas was still kickin' around with Viper, he almost threw in the towel on numerous occasions after anonymous dev\mods with influence or power got butt-hurt and tried to get his work banned. That kind of crap is no doubt one reason why some devs have disappeared, not to mention whatever happened with some of the ACS devs.
No doubt people get all crazed with their interwebz power, get jealous, and try to throw some weight around. Maybe that works in the workforce when people get a paycheck, but the last thing someone wants is for morons to start complaining about how your volunteered time is hurting their ego.
...maybe we need to front the $$$ for a whaaambulance, might clean few things up around here.
I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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Its not for a thanks, its for credit.
And a "thanks" is the least you can do to give back.
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dcowboys2184 said:
I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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To be sure, for every one of us that supports by money or time, there are those that choose to piss and moan.
But as was said above, being butt-hurt has little to do with receiving a thanks but the opposite when a thanks is deserved...and also going to silly measures to satisfy your jealousy/ego.
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thanks to the name of the phone all news regarding it is instantly over-sensationalized..
EPIC dev fallout sounds pretty.. uh.. epic
Yeah, it is rather punny =D
Nothing against you MeetFace.. But don't you think we have enough threads about devs. It seems like every week after one falls off the frontpage a new one is started. Adding another one in the General section isn't going to do anything but make more people coming to this forum just move else where. If the Devs get into it with each other we should let them sort it out and not get involved. Besides the Evo section has always been worse than ours..
If had noticed/felt that I was being redundant or "preaching to the choir", I would withheld my remarks.
I don't check the forums as often as I used to, and I check the general section even less, so forgive my lack of noticing what apparently may be a problem. I was merely responding to an issue that was raised in a closed thread, felt like there were some words that needed to be said.
If you think my comments are wrong or misplaced...then you are naive, because I speak of real situations. I won't go into any more detail, but I will say this:
If you can't man up an be civilized, then you should keep your mouth shut, and regardless of your contributions, whether they be developing or support, you are doing a major disservice to a "community" when you try to tear people down in public, instead of trying to build them up.
It's really simple. Adhere to the GPL and the XDA rules against advertising other sites that require registration to download custom ROMS.
A "donation" to obtain access to GPL or similarly licensed code violates the GPL (or the respective license) and will get your ass sued by the FSF. Thusly, linking to a site that violates the law will land XDA in trouble.
RMS would **** bricks over what some of the devs here have done.
I get that, and for those situations, it overrides anything I said here in this thread.
But that's not the whole story in all situations...thus the thread I created.
MeetFace said:
I get that, and for those situations, it overrides anything I said here in this thread.
But that's not the whole story in all situations...thus the thread I created.
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Sorry, I wasn't replying to you. I just want to make it clear the reason why the mods/XDA has reacted to some devs the way they have. It's to cover their own asses from legal repercussions.
No hard feelings, just wanted to clarify that I wasn't implying the above was the case with those types of issues. Didn't mean to sound abrasive, gotta love voice-less text =]
But again, I do agree with, people should follow the rules, people should not take things so personally, and in and open source environment, people should get so selfish.
I fully agree with you. And the loss of emotion and everything else by using text-only is something that completely enrages me when I want to actually talk to my friends who live half-way around the world but they refuse to use webcams or even voice. I've just resorted to telling them to screw off unless they call or video-call me. Far too much meaning is lost otherwise and only causes trouble.
dcowboys2184 said:
I'm leaving here soon! .. But not all is devs crying over a thanks .. Some of us members are part of the reason too!
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You're right. It is some of the members too. The members that bash people because they ask a noob question and feel that they are so far above the person that they have to put them down. There's bullying in this forum and to the point where I've almost stepped in and said something in defense of the person. That kind of **** has no place here, just like the other crap doesnt either.
You'll like this:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179
I've read the actual study years back in one of my business classes back at the old University.
This is why you can't take things personally all the time...will save you some butt-hurt =D
I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I just wanted to say that "butt-hurt" is my new favorite internet phrase. That is all.
MeetFace said:
You'll like this:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179
I've read the actual study years back in one of my business classes back at the old University.
This is why you can't take things personally all the time...will save you some butt-hurt =D
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Or add in a " " and make someones day! Lol
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djbacon06 said:
I don't really have anything to add to this conversation, but I just wanted to say that "butt-hurt" is my new favorite internet phrase. That is all.
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I'll have to admit, your appreciation of my usage of the phrase afforded me not a few audibly deep belly chuckles.
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I started a thread about this a while ago. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002595
I have a slightly different take on all of this. While I'm glad that most of today's issues are resolved these problems will arise again. This whole thing went down today because someone complained about pieces and parts of a developers ROM. Then I got dragged into this because I use the Bonsai kernel that I made NO changes to. Apparently all I had to do was post a link to the Bonsai source code and the problem went away. There are not a lot of us left here in the Epic forums for various and often times preventable reasons.
There is to much inconsistency with how these forums are moderated. Is impaler gone now? I mean it's like one day everything is ok and then the next day it's a problem. In all fairness to the mods they are over worked and simply not paid. Perhaps, xda should think about paying these guys a little something for their efforts. Perhaps XDA is growing to fast for it's own good. I mean in my opinion is quality over quantity.
My other issue is the in-fighting. We have people here that live to make drama and start flame wars. I'm not singling anyone out on this but it happens and a lot more often in the past few weeks. I don't know why we don't focus more on purging the forums of problem people rather then productive developers that choose to venture away from xda. We also need to be very careful about publicly accusing people of being in violation of a GPL. Falsely accusing someone of something should not be taken lightly. All it serves to do is misinform the community and cause confusion for the users as to what really happened. Not to mention the damage done to someones reputation.
XDA would be nothing without the developers and users that make it up. I realize that XDA makes the rules and are well within their rights to do so. But sometimes some of these rules need to be revisited from time to time to make sure they are applicable especially when a site is growing as rapidly as XDA is.
This place used to be an escape for me. Something I enjoyed participating in but anymore it serves to cause more stress then it helps to manage. If we want this community to survive we ALL need to think about how we carry ourselves here and what kind of behavior and attitude we deem acceptable. I'm very frustrated with the direction this is all going in and I have really tried to keep us going in the right direction. We all play a part in the negativity and we ALL NEED to play a part in making things better.
For the record, I thought today was handled pretty well as far as transparency goes. So Thank You.
Threads like this need to go away. Drama explaining the drama. Wish the mods would just delete any drama threads here.
Hi there, it seems that Trip could manage the issue with the camera and video recorder on 2.3.4, you can check on Modaco.
Just an information, no offense or so because it s related to Trip, etc,,,,
Cheers
Dude every body knew that a long time ago
Even the time when he was at xda
His tripnmiui 2.3.3 had it working
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But he just never implemented it
Because he had a working camcorder it caused many disputes
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I mean, the 720p and 8mpixels too? I do not remember that
HE only has 720 p working not 8mp
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Umm, as I can see in the thread's title, he s got also the 8mp
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Umm, as I can see in the thread's title, he s got also the 8mp
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its not yet released...
vious22 said:
HE only has 720 p working not 8mp
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No he didn't he prepared it for it, he never got it working, just prepared
This is awesome news on modaco and I'm sure once he gets it fully integrated he'll share it with Jerpelea
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waiting....
fail.And we were waiting official rom to steal the libs and the files.
once again trip showed his capabilities
I have a few suggestions to spare, if I may, so that such threads won't be turned into flame-wars:
FACTS:
1. Trip is no longer a part of XDA community and he has moved on to a totally different community, Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
2. Trip continues to develop his ROM and distribute them on Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
3. The reasons behind Trip's ban from XDA are pretty much well-known by now, as are his new whereabouts (in case anyone missed it, it's Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.)
What I want to suggest is that when Trip reaches a major breakthrough in development and only after he releases a ROM including the said breakthrough in public, then and only then, whoever is interested in the general well-being and progress of the X10 community, should contact the developers that are currently a part of XDA and let them know about it.
Because that way, there will be no public arguments, no lovers, no haters, no trolls parading in front of our innocent eyes.
All in all, I am fairly certain that most people interested in custom ROMs, know where Trip is releasing his work now. Heck, even a simple Google search will do the trick for those not yet informed.
Let's try to keep each to his own and avoid unecessary conflicts.
That being said, I am following the ongoing development over at Modaco and appreciate everything that's being achieved there. I just don't feel the need to open up a new thread, stepping on a minefield, every time I see something interesting there. And rest assured, I would feel and post the exact same thing on Modaco, if it was the either way around.
And in case anyone missed my point, don't forget: Modaco is in no way affiliated with XDA.
Cheers!
My_Immortal said:
I have a few suggestions to spare, if I may, so that such threads won't be turned into flame-wars:
FACTS:
1. Trip is no longer a part of XDA community and he has moved on to a totally different community, Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
2. Trip continues to develop his ROM and distribute them on Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
3. The reasons behind Trip's ban from XDA are pretty much well-known by now, as are his new whereabouts (in case anyone missed it, it's Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.)
What I want to suggest is that when Trip reaches a major breakthrough in development and only after he releases a ROM including the said breakthrough in public, then and only then, whoever is interested in the general well-being and progress of the X10 community, should contact the developers that are currently a part of XDA and let them know about it.
Because that way, there will be no public arguments, no lovers, no haters, no trolls parading in front of our innocent eyes.
All in all, I am fairly certain that most people interested in custom ROMs, know where Trip is releasing his work now. Heck, even a simple Google search will do the trick for those not yet informed.
Let's try to keep each to his own and avoid unecessary conflicts.
That being said, I am following the ongoing development over at Modaco and appreciate everything that's being achieved there. I just don't feel the need to open up a new thread, stepping on a minefield, every time I see something interesting there. And rest assured, I would feel and post the exact same thing on Modaco, if it was the either way around.
And in case anyone missed my point, don't forget: Modaco is in no way affiliated with XDA.
Cheers!
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I'll be the devil's advocate her and disagree with you. This is the Xperia X10 General forum, meaning that anything closely related to the X10 is allowed here. This has something to do with the x10, and hell, it's a huge thing. I never knew about this until this thread, so I thank this thread.
Yes, it will probably turn into a flame war, but technically there is nothing wrong with posting this news here because someone, regardless of forums, has made a major breakthrough for our phone, which, Modaco or XDA, we all (hopefully) love.
whoever is interested in the general well-being and progress of the X10 community, should contact the developers that are currently a part of XDA and let them know about it
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sure the XDA Developers can read, and if they require such information can contact him direct, don't need people running of reporting to them, like school. As you say it's nothing to do with XDA what is happening at modaco.
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I'll be the devil's advocate her and disagree with you. This is the Xperia X10 General forum, meaning that anything closely related to the X10 is allowed here. This has something to do with the x10, and hell, it's a huge thing. I never knew about this until this thread, so I thank this thread.
Yes, it will probably turn into a flame war, but technically there is nothing wrong with posting this news here because someone, regardless of forums, has made a major breakthrough for our phone, which, Modaco or XDA, we all (hopefully) love.
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Yes, maybe you are right and maybe I was too fast to judge this particular thread.
I apologise, I seem to be carried-away by the many threads that turn into flame wars and end up locked every day, which is frustrating, imho.
Only one point I maintain: the ROM is not released yet, so one thing to consider is the well-known over-hype and the bitter disappointment afterwards (a.k.a unlocked bootloader, GB new features, etc...)
So, all I am saying is to be a little more conservative.
Maybe there should be a sticky thread in Development with progress made for X10, location-independent.
Again, sorry if I ignored the informative character of the OP, but it seems that such threads rarely stay limited to information.
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sure the XDA Developers can read, and if they require such information can contact him direct, don't need people running of reporting to them, like school. As you say it's nothing to do with XDA what is happening at modaco.
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I am sure they can, I didn't mean it this way. It was a suggestion to channel the enthusiasm in a safer way.
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sure the XDA Developers can read, and if they require such information can contact him direct, don't need people running of reporting to them, like school. As you say it's nothing to do with XDA what is happening at modaco.
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This has nothing to do with what's happening with XDA or Modaco. This is what's happening with the X10. I agree that posts here about the the release of a new Trip thread on Modaco is wrong, but Imo there's nothing wrong giving info about a huge breakthrough that's happened, regardless of forums. There's a difference between that and advertising someone else's ROM.
@My_Immortal.
Yeah, I agree with you, I'm not going to fall into all that hype just yet. I remember when he said 1080P breakthrough was coming and nothing came, so I'm cautiously hopeful, but Trip is a very good dev so I think it might be true, let's wait and see
im closing this thread
cause they always turn out the same way
Moving on to greener pastures
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See ya' on the flip side ...
Yeah, I think I may move as well but I'll keep in touch with xda. seriously, mods. This forum is for Developers, not for you to be a little ***** and think you're the king of everything.
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The f*k happened anyway?!?? I heard rumors and I'm not stateside so I don't log in as much so I really don't know what happened
Oo oo I know
This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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And without developers say goodbye to your advertising sponsorship. Slippery slope guys.
Remember, this is just a Web forum, nothing more and nothing less.
Maybe a revaluation of your perceived value of importance is known order.
It's just a real shame that the best devs keep leaving, and always for similar reasons. Biting the hand that feeds is never smart.
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This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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No its good for everyday people to post what they get when they flash new roms. Now bad mouthing that's a different story..
Hmmm that's ridiculous..
But i like this site..
Did people get butthurt over some ROMs not working or something? I'm confused, I would expect the devs to encourage bug testing and criticism...
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Did people get butthurt over some ROMs not working or something? I'm confused, I would expect the devs to encourage bug testing and criticism...
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I don't know exactly what happened, but it wasn't something that an average user did. Brick'd was a fun guy. One of the mods decided to close the thread for a reason that I do not know, and brick'd wanted to say goodbye.
oka1 should be the only mod for our forum, he actually gets us + hes pretty damn cool. even though i have like 70 infractions from him from a year ago haha
Judging from Br1ckd's post in Zen I think something happened to another on the DD team. My guess is it was Dan but not sure. The mod in our tablet forum can go on power trips. Because Br1ckd is a Recognized Developer he has the power to lock/unlock his own thread.
Pretty sure it was an all for 1, 1 for all type thing. He's in a better place now. So lets not mourn his loss but rejoice in his new beginning. Hey, it's almost Easter and Padre Wood is done with his sermon.
Woodrube is on point. I pulled my stuff, closed my threads, and stopped hosting on xda due to something that happened in the sgs2 forums between a trusted friend and DD member, and an overzealous, aggro moderator. As well, the same DD member has also been receiving harassing pm's that the mods didn't seem to want to help with.
I've spoken with Oka1 about my decision and the facts surrounding it, and thanked him heavily for his part in cleaning up the Vibrant forum in recent months. He really has had a big hand in bringing this particular subforum to where it is now.
I harbor no ill will towards anyone over here and I still check in from time to time. However, I also stand by those who stand by me. When my boy had enough of the BS, it was obviously time for a change, and as a new team, we showed great unity in unanimously voting to move.
Hope this sets the record a bit more straight. Feel free y'all, to pop by and say hi sometime, sit a spell, and visit some old friends, and some new ones.
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From this Moderator of the Vibrant
I Like all the guys in this forum, and this forum's Devs have been Stellar and worked together to keep things even and fair, properly giving credit to those who deserve. AS to the other forums I really do not know what happened, but I do know the SGS2 forums is a pretty tough bunch. So, it is understandable that some devs would get tired of the rowdiness..... That's unfortunate. I will strive to talk to the superiors about this incident so XDA can learn from it and make this forum a more conducive environment for all......
Thanks to all in this forum for being the good participants you are ........ ~~~ oka1
lostwhat83 said:
This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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They just need to have a better "recognized developer" system. that way ONLY developers can post in dev section, and they have an available option to enable/disable posting in their thread - leave discussion threads for the general section. as long as the moderators cleaned up the general section once a day, making sure there is only one discussion thread per rom - it would be a flawless system
I think the more annoying thing is how people can theme a ROM, add a couple apks, along with some build.prop/ram tweaks, and then post it in the dev section as a new ROM. that drives me mad, and then the noobs encourage this behavior (because they dont know any better) by saying "why complain about having more options??", and by calling these members "developers" - release it under themes/apps, not development
^^the end result of this is a cluttered development section with multiple versions of the same ROM - all of them having poor explanations - so you dont know which ROMS are legit enough to monitor because they all have the same damn features listed