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mods closing threads wtf?

Wtf is up with all these moderators closing threads?? first it was hero_over now noobnl? if we want to donate to help increase production on development for our device whats the problem? I used to think this place was pretty chill but lately its been a bunch of bs and there honestly you mods just slowing down dev. for our device by closing threads and pissing the developers off. The devs should have every right to put there donations link up here to get paid for there countless hours of hard work just like XDA does since if it wasn't for the devs you wouldn't get half the traffic you do right? So i would think the least you all could do is let them all post there donation links since again no one forcing them to donate.
And if you guys keep it up your just gonna lose your awesome development community that everyone comes here for and hopefully we will all migrate to a much better forum where this bs isn't a problem.
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Well, I am not a MOD here, but I can not at all agree with you thinking the threads are being closed because of donation links. It has been my understanding that donation links it itself are fine to ROMS/Kernals that are not vaporware.
There has been quite alot of "coming soon [insert kicks ass rom name here]" then ask for a donation.--- That is not tolerated, and shouldn't be.
There has also been alot of "coming soon [insert kicks ass rom name here]" but if you donate you can download it from my site over here, and when I feel like it I will post it here for the masses-- Using XDA as an advertising forum. -- Again more threads in the dev section offering nothing but a place holder.
I think the point is "put up, or shut up" we do not need to scour threads in the dev section that do not contain any dev material.
In addition, this thread will be the next target as it is not offering anything but constructive critisism (which I cannot flash to my epic) and makes for yet an even more poor dev section.
There is a general forum for a reason, I usually do not post but felt compelled to share my views on your thoughts.
-cheers

I agree. The point of closing those threads is simply to make this forum a better place to get what you need in the term of DEVELOPMENT/ROMS/etc. This isn't a place to advertise your "Donateware" ROM, or to have tons of Coming Soon threads. Get a beta our or something, release it, and post a thread.
Now I do agree in Coming Soon threads if its only a day or two out. Hell, it builds hype, and gives people something to look forward to. But if you are going to post a "Coming Soon" Thread and wait 2+ weeks before you even release anything, then it needs to be closed.
Anyway, please look into everything before you make such bold assumptions.

marc91988 said:
Wtf is up with all these moderators closing threads?? first it was hero_over now noobnl? if we want to donate to help increase production on development for our device whats the problem? I used to think this place was pretty chill but lately its been a bunch of bs and there honestly you mods just slowing down dev. for our device by closing threads and pissing the developers off. The devs should have every right to put there donations link up here to get paid for there countless hours of hard work just like XDA does since if it wasn't for the devs you wouldn't get half the traffic you do right? So i would think the least you all could do is let them all post there donation links since again no one forcing them to donate.
And if you guys keep it up your just gonna lose your awesome development community that everyone comes here for and hopefully we will all migrate to a much better forum where this bs isn't a problem.
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i guarentee this is probably another account for smeone who posted donateware, over and over after countless warnings

Whosdaman said:
i guarentee this is probably another account for smeone who posted donateware, over and over after countless warnings
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+1. I completely agree. I hate that idea. I mean, yes, these people put a lot of effort into their ROMs, and yes, they should get compensation, but it should not be mandatory, and it should not affect when you get ROM. Pimp your donations or site as much as you want, but the strength of this forum, and many others like it, is the free and open source nature of the projects on it. I would hate to see all that fall apart because of some people trying to take advantage of users. I completely agree with the Mods on this one.

Most people donate from the heart without being asked to do it and thats the way it should be.I owned Behold 2 and MyTouch Slide 3GS,both forums have excellent developers and never once did i see "Coming Soon" or "Go to my site to donate" thread.But every time developer bricked his phone you better believe everybody donated within a day to get them a new phone,and they never asked for donations-people did it cuz we loved the work they put it.Plus 90% of developers make roms for fun and not for money,but they should get donations because they brick alot of phones,lol.

I have to agree with just about everything said here after the OP.
Plus, check facts before ranting. According to Toast (the Mod in question), the changes to Herver's thread were made at Herver's request.
I find it hard to fault moderators for doing (a) exactly what they say they will in the forum rules, and (b) exactly what a thread starter asks of them.
I am not a developer, and maybe I would feel differently if I were, but XDA is supposed to be about community development and not marketing/sales.

marc91988 said:
Wtf is up with all these moderators closing threads?? first it was hero_over now noobnl? if we want to donate to help increase production on development for our device whats the problem? I used to think this place was pretty chill but lately its been a bunch of bs and there honestly you mods just slowing down dev. for our device by closing threads and pissing the developers off. The devs should have every right to put there donations link up here to get paid for there countless hours of hard work just like XDA does since if it wasn't for the devs you wouldn't get half the traffic you do right? So i would think the least you all could do is let them all post there donation links since again no one forcing them to donate.
And if you guys keep it up your just gonna lose your awesome development community that everyone comes here for and hopefully we will all migrate to a much better forum where this bs isn't a problem.
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You're an idiot.

1st post, welcome to the forums. haha

To the OP,
The answer to your questions can be found here...http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81, in particular, items 8 and 11.
You might also want to read these rules in their entirety so you fully understand them.
I am moving this to General, where it should have been correctly posted, and closing this. if you have any further questions on the moderation of this site then please do not hesitate to contact any member of the moderating team.
WB

Suggestions for cleaning up and moderating the Forums

1. A FAQ listed on each section. I know we have Wiki, but its usually outdated and hard to navigate. There really is no need for gigantic lists, but simple things like how to root, use odin, use clockwork, install roms/themes, etc... can be put there along with a warning on asking questions which have already been posted on the FAQ.
2. More Mods! I think just one or two more mods can help the forums a lot and clean things up.
3. Warnings for people who post questions that have already been answered on the front page of a thread or faq followed by a temp ban if they continue.
I'm really tired of the cycle of
- Dumb question posted
- Followed by "read the damn thread or use the damn search button"
- Followed by "Hey you were a noob once and theres no harm in answering the question you ass along with lengthy answer on the question that will inevitable be asked 10 more times in the near future"
- Continue flame war that now has nothing to do with the thread anymore
You enable people by holding their hands. Don't be an enabler. If you managed to find out how to do all this crap on your own, they can too. At most you should point them to the right thread and let them read up on it on their own so they can further their own education.
4. Don't PM the Devs for requests. They have enough work on their hands and don't need to be flooded. Remember the rule of think before you speak? Try thinking before you PM.
Anyhoo, there was a bunch more, but I'm sure you guys/gals have other ideas.

riceknight said:
1. A FAQ listed on each section. I know we have Wiki, but its usually outdated and hard to navigate. There really is no need for gigantic lists, but simple things like how to root, use odin, use clockwork, install roms/themes, etc... can be put there along with a warning on asking questions which have already been posted on the FAQ.
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I don't understand why the "[How To] Return to Stock / Fix Bricked Epic" thread is not sticked.
If someone posts they bricked their phone and needs help you post the link to that thread and lock it.

I like the sentiment of this thread but fear it might be taken the wrong way. Whosdaman is really a wonderful guy and has been very helpful to me but it seems like he is very busy (and who can blame him for dealing with things outside of the interwebs?) so I support this I would also like to issue a blanket "Thank you for your hard work" to Whosdaman.

Seeing as this is a collection of developers I don't see why we don't customize the forum itself.
I don't see any reason we can't flag the development and Q/A threads for every phone. Then, if "is this a question" is set to yes, automatically put it in that phone's Q/A forum. On top of which we could add a "You are posting in the development forum, this is reserved for people developing for [insert phone]. Please check the box below to confirm that you are developing something you wish to share." anytime people posted in the development forum.
Obviously people can still screw it up, if nothing else on purpose, but we can expect people who have never been on the forums to know how the forums are laid out, usually by reading the rules, which never happens, to sort their own, or we can make it as self sorting as possible.

Sounds like whosedaman just needs some support. Perhaps another mod added to help out. We all have to keep in mind that these guys don't get paid for this and real life always trumps forums life. Just my thought on this.
Sent from my Epic while i should be working

I was wondering why there was so much confusion in this forum, as I really liked the forums I used for the month I had a Moment before the Epic dropped. Was there ever a forum on here for the moment??? I couldnt find one, so I checked sdx, which I remember lurking back then and found my answer. Why can't Xda have 'child forums', with descriptions of where and why to post things?? They have a 'market' forum section for ROMs, etc, which we here are using development exclusively. I understand why, but it seems its this way here because of limited tools for organizing, can this sites software not do that? It is completely logical and intuitive to post questions directly regarding development or roms in the development section if you are new... I would have expected a sub-forum for roms only, or at least some direction other than after the fact... usually unless its horribly out of order, whosdaman is pretty polite about it, and given the feelings regarding this device, things get silly in here. Anyways, yes, at least sticky all roms and things 'coolguy' or whatever dont warrant flaming, and then politely notify the new people that questions regarding development actually get booted over to general, where intuitively people would assume GENERAL questions like 'do you like gmail or the stock app better?'.
More mods? Better structure? Who has control over this? Are there any experienced volunteers that can help whosdaman out with his daunting task?
We need to expect more 'joined in Dec 2010' and later members as every idiot with a blog and engadget included seem to think this site and forum are the authority, even over Sprint and Samsung (if XDA says 2.2 is dropping, it must be true, head over there and complain about it). NOTHING against new members, just that there is little direction other than the 'rules' that most people think are just 'dont flame, no kiddie porn... etc...' Dont get all elitist because people couldnt figure out your simple, non-intuitive structure because its their first 5 mins here.
Love this forum, but its like people are baited into getting flamed by assuming this forum runs like most any other... I thought I saw the end of this when I refused to go to another BBC chat... guess not.
If you feel that you must deputize yourself, please, copy the link to the wiki, rules, etc and paste them in misplaced, repeat threads and leave it at that.

since this is a fluff post, BigJim, whats the 1488 stand for??? Just curious...

ungovernable1977 said:
since this is a fluff post, BigJim, whats the 1488 stand for??? Just curious...
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Pardon? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'a fluff post'. I sincerely hope Whosdaman reads this thread and takes into account that there are some of us who would genuinely like to help him make our forums a more manageable place to browse and share ideas/roms/themes/etc. I am in no way asking for myself to be made a mod but rather I believe there are people here who would make good mods and I hope that WDM sees that we support him and want to help him make our community more accessible!

I'm willing to be a mod here I have experience and would know and how to handle things here...
Admins or mods pm me
sent from my Epic 4G

riceknight said:
1. A FAQ listed on each section. I know we have Wiki, but its usually outdated and hard to navigate. There really is no need for gigantic lists, but simple things like how to root, use odin, use clockwork, install roms/themes, etc... can be put there along with a warning on asking questions which have already been posted on the FAQ.
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Did you do a search before posting this? There's already a thread on it, learn how to use the search.
Ok, that was my attempt at humor

ungovernable1977 said:
since this is a fluff post, BigJim, whats the 1488 stand for??? Just curious...
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I don't think this is fluff at all and whosdaman does deserve to be thanked for his, well, thankless work.
1488 is a race thing. They usually won't tell you what the ideology of it is in public. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
Although I don't agree with the sentiment of the belief structure, I support their right to peacefully observe their beliefs.

Yeah I know that meaning its generally a tattooed target, was just hoping it was just some retarded interweb speak. Sorry to hear. Almost forgot what it was though... not many Boneheads around here, not anymore.
BTW, I respect Lady Gaga's work, although I dont like it, therefore I see no reason to put it in my username.... its ok, you have a right to be a Nazi in this country...

Regrettably, I do read almost every thread in this forum, and forums I maintain...
<--------- Look here, I have 8 forums to maintain full time, but 6 are dead lol
Yeah I do have a life outside this for sure. Not only am I a senior in High School, I am on the Mock Trial team, the Robotics Team, a Sales Representative for Sprint, and a Writer for BriefMobile.com
So yeah I would say I'm busy, but I look over the entire forum as much as I can. Shep211 has been extremely busy in his personal life, that's why I started helping.
It is a thankless job, it's a volunteer job. All free, I don't get paid. The only thanks comes from the owner of the site when I say "if you fix this the site will be better."
Besides all that I can single handedly control this entire forum. I know it sometimes looks cluttered and in a mess, but then again...the Development section is spotless, which is truely the only thing that matters. The General section is meant to be a mess because it's where everyone posts their questions and complaints.
There are applications to become a moderator here on XDA, you have to meet certain requirements to be considered and then be approved. No one of this forum knows my experience as a moderator unless you used GameBattles.com for PS3.
If you want to help me out the most, please please please, use the "Report Post" feature. Every reported post goes straight to my inbox, and I see every single one. Normally RP's get extra attention as they obviously have bothered someone enough to have it reported. 90% of the RP's are either Ghost or Kenvan.
The search feature would do alot of people good, it's nice to tell people to do something, but Report the post/thread and I'll take care of it. You clutter up the forum and threads by posting in threads saying to post in General, just report it. That's all.
Sure, I wish everyone searched because there are at least 5 can't root threads. I would rather merge them all but it too much work to find them. Like I said, let the noobs make their mistake. The members report the post, don't tell them they were wrong. I'll move it, shoot them a PM, and then post in their thread telling them where they should have posted. Then hopefully they will learn.
Thanks again,
WDM

kenvan19 said:
Pardon? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'a fluff post'. I sincerely hope Whosdaman reads this thread and takes into account that there are some of us who would genuinely like to help him make our forums a more manageable place to browse and share ideas/roms/themes/etc. I am in no way asking for myself to be made a mod but rather I believe there are people here who would make good mods and I hope that WDM sees that we support him and want to help him make our community more accessible!
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Sorry, fluff may have been a wrong choice of words, I was implying that as this has been talked about before, and ignored by the powers that be, I saw it was going to end up an off topic post eventually, or at least until the elitist post Nazis (no offense bigjim) came in and said how we are cluttering their precious first page of posts, because as most have trouble with the AMAZING search function, a lot here have a lot of trouble with 'next page', you dont even have to pick which page, it takes you right to the next one!
Sorry, this is just getting really retarded around here, oh and BigJim,apologies, last comment on your beliefs, if off topic, but being an anarcho-punk, its hard not to at least ask if that is REALLY what you are talking about.

hehe *blush* I've tried to resort to reporting posts lately as opposed to trying to deal with problems on my own. Hope its not too much of a burden.

THANK YOU whosdaman! that is a very simple way to deal with the clutter issue... didnt even realise what the report button was till i looked around for it. I agree that not replying, positive or negative is good, if its easier for you to redirect them (you could probably easily make a form letter, just sub in 'froyo', 'GPS', or 'search' and the rest is pretty much the same!)
So what of the ability to make sub forums??? to be able to have a section under Dev that is for general DEV RELATED questions would be cool... most people assume that General is for stock, non rooted phone discussion, and Development is for anything to do with development. I think I remember one called 'all things root'?? Idunno, but you get the idea. So what is the plausability of this?? not possible with site software? Too much work??? Just curious, I have asked in similar threads and I think you were too busy with other stuff... I tend to avoid PM especially if it is something someone else may be able to answer, as we all know, mods are busy, especially in this forum. Thanks for all your hard work!

I certainly appreciate all the hard work Whosdaman has been doing with these forums, but unless he enjoys handling all this, wouldn't an extra mod or two be helpful?
My biggest thing is the FAQ post. Someone asks questions, you can point and say you should have read that first. Like I said before, the Wiki is great, but its a little cluttered and outdated as well as being hard to edit. Having one person willing to just moderate that one thread would be so helpful.
It bugs me when the whole community seems to be represented by the lazy people who just spam post. There are plenty of helpful, polite and very well informed that get lost among the clutter. In fact, they probably outnumber the newbies but don't feel the need to post nonsense. For every idiot that asks a dumb question, there are probably 10 that actually do research and figure it out for themselves.

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hehe *blush* I've tried to resort to reporting posts lately as opposed to trying to deal with problems on my own. Hope its not too much of a burden.
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Nope, I love you and ghost for reporting post. I always look forward to waking up and seeing 10 new PMs lol
ungovernable1977 said:
THANK YOU whosdaman! that is a very simple way to deal with the clutter issue... didnt even realise what the report button was till i looked around for it. I agree that not replying, positive or negative is good, if its easier for you to redirect them (you could probably easily make a form letter, just sub in 'froyo', 'GPS', or 'search' and the rest is pretty much the same!)
So what of the ability to make sub forums??? to be able to have a section under Dev that is for general DEV RELATED questions would be cool... most people assume that General is for stock, non rooted phone discussion, and Development is for anything to do with development. I think I remember one called 'all things root'?? Idunno, but you get the idea. So what is the plausability of this?? not possible with site software? Too much work??? Just curious, I have asked in similar threads and I think you were too busy with other stuff... I tend to avoid PM especially if it is something someone else may be able to answer, as we all know, mods are busy, especially in this forum. Thanks for all your hard work!
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I have no control over sub-forums. And right now it is only me working on the entire Epic forum. Like I said shep211 is gone atm.
svetius is in charge of the entire site, and I've talked to him about improvements that can be made. I wouldn't bother him too much or he'll just ignore ya. Most of the time the only things he is interested is fixing errors with the site itself. Right now I don't think we are in the area of reorganizing the entire site.

ok, so adding a subforum is not possible? Or is it a decision to make the structure uniform across the whole site? Just thinking, because this forum is like maximum security, different from the rest... or so it would seem...

I'm not so sure making more areas, and thus more chances to be wrong, is a good way to combat posting in the wrong area.
If you have a rom question, ask it in the rom thread. All that would happen if there were subforums for things in development, and discussion of things in development is we'd have 37 threads about how "I just discovered ___ doesn't work in [rom]" instead of 50 posts about it in the rom thread.
(Not to mention you'd then be blurring the line of when it is or isn't ok to post in the DEV forum, where as now, if the person bothers to read, there's a pretty clear cut "If you aren't about to post about the thing you just developed, GTFO" rule.)

Non XDA hosted roms in general and Thor in particular

Ok
Having had a number of threads crapped, locked and deleted I am now asking (since mods dont answer PMs with the question)
Why can we have threads asking for help getting Thors mod running but we can not have threads discussing Thors upcoming Roms and cornerstone?
Not flaming, not causing controversy, just asking. So far I have seen multiple threads locked and my very polite, very clear, very 100% legal thread deleted with no notice or explanation and no response from mods.
I and others would just like to see a constant and even hand when it comes to Thor. Can we or can we not discuss his work, and if so, then can we have the mods remove the offenders and not the threads.

yeah, I saw this too. It seems the only time a thread gets attention from a mod is if Thor is mentioned. The rules are followed, yet the thread gets locked or deleted. Yet the rest of the sub forums are a mess. It is definitely clear that it's a vendetta now. Thread to disappear in 3,2,....
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Remember that XDA is huge... so some things slip through. If they do, you can always flag a post for review... That said, removing the offenders would be even worse, as (particularly new) members might violate the rules without noticing... Of course, some people just won't accept the rules, and I guess they are eventually banned. Other than that, the forum rules clearly say "no warez" -- and, from a purely legal point of view, Thor's kernel qualifies.

I would say purely because the moderation of the a500 forums has been so lacking for so long. Now they finally get sick of flame threads being flagged they decide to just nuke anything to do with the cause of 95% of the nuisance posts: THOR and anything to do with him.
OP Really has come across as a Troll account to me though TBH, sorry if I am wrong but can't you just let it go? You are like a dog with a bone, go to his unmentionable forums and hang out there if you don't like the rules?

He has followed the rules, even directly from the horses mouth. The rules state no links may be posted, that's it, that's all. Discussion is fine. There's even an ICS theme thread that's been going on for awhile for thors Rom.
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Yep.
I created an account 3 (!!) years ago just so I could be a "troll".
Looking at post counts vs time we seem to be about the same......lurkers who post when meaningful. I do spend a lot of time at the "unmentionable" forum. I also keep tabs here to see if there is anything worthwhile...unfortunately less and less recently. Show me one post (other than 1 deleted one that was a clean call by the mod) where I did NOT 100% address the topic of the thread. Just because some one does not like the answer does not make it a troll post.... those whos some total of input is "sputter sputter GPL sputter stammer froth sputter" those are trolls.

Personally I have zero interest in Thor's stuff and I find his behaviour to be petty, childish and, again, hypocritical -- "I use other devs' stuff but I don't want other people to use my stuff!" -- but I still think people should be allowed to discuss his stuff here. We do not lose anything as a community even if we allow people to discuss topics they find interesting, but we certainly do lose something if we start censoring discussions just on the basis of who they are about!
Just my 2 cents, here.

Aaron Camp said:
Yep.
I created an account 3 (!!) years ago just so I could be a "troll".
Looking at post counts vs time we seem to be about the same......lurkers who post when meaningful. I do spend a lot of time at the "unmentionable" forum. I also keep tabs here to see if there is anything worthwhile...unfortunately less and less recently. Show me one post (other than 1 deleted one that was a clean call by the mod) where I did NOT 100% address the topic of the thread. Just because some one does not like the answer does not make it a troll post.... those whos some total of input is "sputter sputter GPL sputter stammer froth sputter" those are trolls.
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Hey I did say sorry if I was wrong!
Maybe one of the mods rubbed you the wrong way and you decided to be defiant? I don't actually disagree with any of your points, I just don't see the point in constantly questioning the mods or the rules when it won't get you anywhere?
Correct me if I missed something but it pretty much went
*Getting a thread closed due to mentioning Thor and people jumped in and started **** (as most mentions of him tend to do).
*Then instead of letting it go, posted a similar topic saying go to Thors site...he's working on stuff you want!
* Now after that thread failed you go ahead and call out the Moderators to what end? An apology?
It does seem the Moderators are more active in here now though, which can only be a good thing...if you are to blame in some way, thank you! lol
Update to reply to WereCatf instead of double posting: I agree 100% the mods deleting the threads is silly, they should only delete clear violations or flame wars. People will behave if the Mods stay as active as they have been the last couple of days and we can all discuss anything without starting **** storms and having threads deleted or people banned.

Great summation for the past 2 week "thor gate".
Honestly trying to understand the rules. I am a long time lurker/poster. I was actually around when thor was deving here. There is zero consistency so no one knows the rules. Tth thread that was deleted had over 500 views and was 2 pages long. I ddint see anything in it that was flamebate and I was very very careful to keep it 100% legit by all posted rules and previous mod comments. All of a sudden....poof. Add to that a complete lack of response via pm from the mod and it did leave a bad taste.
To be honest the whole thor issue comes down to opinion on who's right and who's wrong. It could go either way. He is clearly outside the bounds of xda though....no grey there, but from a personal level as to people stealing his hard work, I am behind him 100%.
Hell its been 2 days on this thread and no mod or "authority" has responded at all. In my book a poorly modded forum is worse than an unmodded one every time.

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Hell its been 2 days on this thread and no mod or "authority" has responded at all. In my book a poorly modded forum is worse than an unmodded one every time.
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Mate, just let go. Don't expect a response from mods, they are likely busy, plus they likely have better things to do than to respond to threads like this. I mean, man, let go now and go do something useful. If they respond to this thread then good, if they don't you're just wasting your time at being unproductive.

I'm new to the community so I don't have an opinion about a certain hammer wielding developer. However, why the F*** do people want XDA to support his stuff when he has a whole site devoted to that?
Jim

Aaron Camp said:
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Having had a number of threads crapped, locked and deleted I am now asking (since mods dont answer PMs with the question)
Why can we have threads asking for help getting Thors mod running but we can not have threads discussing Thors upcoming Roms and cornerstone?
Not flaming, not causing controversy, just asking. So far I have seen multiple threads locked and my very polite, very clear, very 100% legal thread deleted with no notice or explanation and no response from mods.
I and others would just like to see a constant and even hand when it comes to Thor. Can we or can we not discuss his work, and if so, then can we have the mods remove the offenders and not the threads.
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He has a forum use his forum to discuss how mods installed etc
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Thats kinda the point of this and other threads. There are other Roms out there beyond XDA. XDA in almost all other cases has no problem discussing them, referencing them, and even helping troublshoot them. XDA is very clear on what a ROM must be to be hosted here. Thor can not be hosted. No one argues that. We (and yes there are many who agree with me) just want to be able to discuss Thor here without the rabid anti-Thor crowd running in and crapping threads. As someone above said its become clear that it is a vendetta against Thor for some. If it is great, admit it, come clean and post clearly to all that XDA will not allow discussion of Thor, or moderate those who are crapping threads and let the discussion continue.

Aaron Camp said:
Thats kinda the point of this and other threads. There are other Roms out there beyond XDA. XDA in almost all other cases has no problem discussing them, referencing them, and even helping troublshoot them. XDA is very clear on what a ROM must be to be hosted here. Thor can not be hosted. No one argues that. We (and yes there are many who agree with me) just want to be able to discuss Thor here without the rabid anti-Thor crowd running in and crapping threads. As someone above said its become clear that it is a vendetta against Thor for some. If it is great, admit it, come clean and post clearly to all that XDA will not allow discussion of Thor, or moderate those who are crapping threads and let the discussion continue.
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One of the things about XDA, is that you can discuss general things regardless. And of people have issues with a rom, no matter who it comes from, then that falls under the apache license. Not GPL which has to do with the kernel itself. Something to that effect.
Discussing Thors rom, does not violate any license agreement, nor XDA policy. Direct links to Thors kernel, or rom or code containing such kernel, does.
This has been stated by Mod's time and time again. Some people, just don't get it, and use any mention of the name, as an excuse to "carry on the crusade", most of whom have not an inkling of what happened in the first place. They just react on what is recently known, and then again, only "hearsay".
So to discuss problem with an android rom, regardless of where it came from, is quite ok. But if the "crusaders" (on both ends) cause too much of a ruckus, which normally happens, the Mods will shut it down.
If people keep it civil, then things will be ok. Discuss the problems at hand, and ignore those who get their jollies trying to turn it into something else.

Not another Erica Post!!!!!!! Ohhh no!!!!
I Totally agree with Moscow..For me the biggest issue is . I see and post to all the threads Asking for Acer to release ICS. Then there are threads asking for GPL Compliant ICS. In those threads the flaming starts when people come in shouting there is ics and im running it now. Go to Here xxxxx to get it.. Its perfect its good the dev is above and beyond all..
The above is what has started this flaming war.. IF someone starts posting that he is so great so much above and better then everyone else. The flaming will start. As stated above i kinda agree that discussing issues solving basic android apps and issues on his rom is likely ok. But when People start putting xxxx as being better then everyone else is again when it will become a flaming thread. Unfortunately xda is a community for all.Everyone will give there opinion.Its a two sided story.I was using the above mentioned stuff until way back.I seen everything that went wrong.it would have took one Tiny Link to Source code solve this whole mess.
so keep this thread clean from the he has the right to not share and you MIGHT NOT GET FLAMED. IF you are lucky.. Whats right is Right.and there is a huge wrong happening.As i FLAME If you will ACER Everyday in email facebook twitter there automated help on there website. Over the boot loader . Will it help NO. But like equality for all in the US. sitting on your butt surely will fail..
Just my 3.well maybe 4 pennies..
Sorry if this is considered out of line for your Thread..
As far as cornerstone. I really do hope he gets its Working within his rom.As this is something that can be stripped out and Used in the Acer rom when pushed.Thou im not sure how will it will work with the acer ring as that also makes major changes to the same files as cornerstone.
Peacefully .. Me

Moscow Desire said:
Discussing Thors rom, does not violate any license agreement, nor XDA policy. Direct links to Thors kernel, or rom or code containing such kernel, does.
This has been stated by Mod's time and time again. Some people, just don't get it,....
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And this is the issue I am bringing up! I miss read the policy. The thread where I posted the direct link to Thor was locked. That was fine. I created a new thread that did not LINK. It DISCUSSED. It was 100% within the posted and stated rules of XDA, but that thread was DELETED!!
As for what really happened, I too was around, and read all the same threads you read. The issue of hosting the ROM is very cut and dry, it is not XDA material. The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area. You can argue all you want about the rights or wrongs (ok, maybe not on this board!! ) of how Thor was treated by XDA mods etc.
I just want to make sure people passing through know about another GREAT ROM for a great tablet, and would also like to see XDA get back to being a well moderated (even handed) forum that is open to all discussion on relevant topics.

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The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area.
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Just pointing out that that is not true. It is in violation of GPL, that's that. It is a fact, not "grey area."

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Just pointing out that that is not true. It is in violation of GPL, that's that. It is a fact, not "grey area."
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Well, you stretch the truth. To suit your needs.
Discussing of Thors rom breaks no rule. The "rom" itself does not fall under GPL, but under Apache. Only the specific kernel falls under GPL.
Now, if I flash RTripps kernel, using Thor's rom, are you to say I am violating GPL? No, and neither is RTripp or Thor.
GPL specifically states "Kernel".
So if a user, wants to ask questions, about a specific rom, well, nobody is violating any rules. Which is why the mods, have not intervened.
Of course if the cross comes to bear,,, well, that's just the way it is.

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Discussing of Thors rom breaks no rule.
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I never claimed that. Just look at the previous page where I said people should be allowed to discuss it.
The "rom" itself does not fall under GPL, but under Apache. Only the specific kernel falls under GPL.
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As long as the kernel is distributed as part of it, then yes, it does. If he were to distribute them separately then what you claim would be true.
GPL specifically states "Kernel".
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No, it doesn't. GPL applies to any GPL-licensed software.
So if a user, wants to ask questions, about a specific rom, well, nobody is violating any rules. Which is why the mods, have not intervened.
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Again, you're barking up the wrong tree there.

Aaron Camp said:
And this is the issue I am bringing up! I miss read the policy. The thread where I posted the direct link to Thor was locked. That was fine. I created a new thread that did not LINK. It DISCUSSED. It was 100% within the posted and stated rules of XDA, but that thread was DELETED!!
As for what really happened, I too was around, and read all the same threads you read. The issue of hosting the ROM is very cut and dry, it is not XDA material. The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area. You can argue all you want about the rights or wrongs (ok, maybe not on this board!! ) of how Thor was treated by XDA mods etc.
I just want to make sure people passing through know about another GREAT ROM for a great tablet, and would also like to see XDA get back to being a well moderated (even handed) forum that is open to all discussion on relevant topics.
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The real problem is the fact that any discussions on Thor or his works immediately brings about the heated arguments from both sides of the fence. There is just very little possibility that people here can carry on a discussion that is JUST about the ROM and issues/experiences using it. There are only a few ways it can be carried out here (and seriously correct me if you think I am wrong):
You start your nice thread to discuss issues with Thor's ICS ROM, you put in your OP that this is simply a discussion, no linking allowed, you can even put a disclaimer like "If anyone has an issue with this discussion, please bring to a MOD's attention instead of posting your opposition here". But...
1. someone feels it is their responsibility to post why they are against this. Or...
2. someone is going to post asking why we cannot provide a link, or where to find the ROM, or why isn't it in the development section... or...
3. someone is going to feel they need to retaliate when someone does one of the above.
Either way, one outcome, the argument will get heated, and the mods will be forced to step in and take action. If they feel there is no salvation for the thread, they will close or delete it. End of discussion.
So, really, the content of the discussion is not really the issue at hand, but how the discussions are generally (always?) carried out.

Stop eta and noob questions!!

First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
Sorry MODs for posting this thread, I'm pissed at all the noobs which are chasing away my favourite dev's
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naresh9876 said:
First of all I would like to say thank you to all the dev's which has been working day and night to make our Note a better device
I rarely post anything but I always follow all the threads in the dev's forum. And I find it really annoying when people can't wait for the dev's to submit a new version, they always ask ETA and never even bother if the dev has a life or no. They always think that dev's are a lifeless person who sits down in front of their workstations day and night working on the ROM. Can't u guys wait!!!
The dev's here are making those ROM's for free and they DO have a life.
First my favourite dev franco left, now eybee left. If u guys keep asking for ETA and also noob questions then I am not shock if one day every dev left and nobody is willing to develop a ROM for our device.
We have a Q&A SECTION in our forum you guys can ask your questions there and afterwards ask the MODs to close them up.
Please people stop asking for ETA and noob question's in the dev forum!!!! I beg you.
No offence to the Moderators, I know its hard for you to keep deleting those stupid post on each and every thread.
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a good example would probably be the dev that left yesterday or the day before and had their thread closed over pretty much this same thing.....
the sense of entitlement has gotten way out of hand.... and the lack of appreciation...

Looks more to me like XDA is a victim of it's own success, and of the success of smartphones in general over the last 2 years. This is no longer a pure dev-forum.
There are 10 devs for every 10.000 yelling noobs. Who would'nt start pulling out their hair ? And if you try to educate them, you get yelled at, for flaming them lol.
Maybe Xda should reconsider their setup, and allow dev-threads where the dev can add or revoke users the right to post in HIS thread.
that's my 5 cents on the subject.
You cannot fight 9999999999999 noobs anyway, so better ignore them, or leave.

Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.

...and you forgot mr g.levarne, he also suffers from the same disease, it is a very sad situation
i wanted to add a little of my philosophy here, but i will be totally useless, questions about ETA will continue to exist

azzledazzle said:
Amen !!
It would be nice to see some new rules and systems put in place. Too many good Devs are leaving and its a real shame, Over the years I must have seen over 15 great (and I mean great) Devs leave cause of high demand and even higher level of stress, As a result of this.
If there was some system that would let the OP remove certain comments, Or block a user from posting for X amount of days due to demanding / flaming etc then this could make a big difference.
Obviously there are flaws in my method, As the OP could block everyone and remove every post, But im sure as a community we can all discuss a way of improving this situation, So that it works effectively and in favor of the Dev first, Then the user secondly.
Or maybe just increase the amounts of post required to post in the Dev section, Or completely remove the ability for everyone to post in the Dev section, The only posts allowed will be the OP of the thread, To add / remove download links / changelogs etc etc.
We can have a seperate thread for bug reporting AND BUG REPORTING ONLY !
There's got to be a way of making this better ?? C'mon guys share some opinions and hopefully make some changes.
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Well said just head over to eybees rr threat winthin minutes of announceing jbv3 the maggots were out spamming like mad where's the upload can you include this....quite sickening especially when he'd updated his op stating how long upload would be and what would be included with no extras...I can see how this would certainly drive any sensible human to go nuts. .so unless somthing new is done I can only see decent devs disappearing from here which is a REAL SHAME... (
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Hi everybody, for a best forum, i think moderator must ban all children crying for ota or the same question without read previous post, and we dont lost in the future dev as eybee !
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Stop eta and noob questions and posting useless threads!!!

so true. people need to start respect others who giving things for free. not clinging behind their back like monkey.

Ban hammers should be given more liberally.
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answered, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole thread or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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IMO, the problem is the repeating questions that repeatedly answers, im also a new here but very often to post i just read the whole theard or used the search button.. my suggestion is to delete the unecessary post or repeatedly post by the thread owner
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I lurk here on XDA for a long time and agreed that the number of noobs wanting candy has been really overwhelming. I basically just come to see discussion and to wait for my favorite developer to update their ROM and if there is no such update I just sit tight and wait. Why can't everyone else do the same?
We need more common sense and a little revision for the noob video I think. If you can't think to consider yours and others position and feelings during a discussion just shut up and wait.
It's a great loss to the community if at the end every devs feels uncomfortable in this forum.

roda1971 said:
Stop eta and noob questions and posting useless threads!!!
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Just read your questions and posts.......
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And you forgot to mention the hoards of personal messages that developers get. Sure we can block messaging altogether, but that also means closing doors to a genuine discussion.
The moment a developer updates a build - 200 questions are whether one needs to wipe before flashing or not , 300 questions are whether an unreleased Android feature would work or not (e.g - 4.2), and the other 500 questions are variations of the prior two.

Deva should be able to wipe the garbage. Sometimes I've to go thru 40 pole telling me they are flashing....?,or their DL has taken a week to find what I need. Let them wipe it all.
Sent from the man hiding in your attic......

Maybe the solution is a read/post ratio lol. for every 2000 posts read, you may post 3

Its like with most things...
Once it gets to popular, it gets ruined, the average human being is a complete piece if garbage this is the natural order of things
Paranoid V. 5 | Hydracore 4.3 OC
GT-N7000

banning system should be more strict.
its the devs that need to be cared and protect not some noobs...
they are the one that spicy things up in xda..

banning should help
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Roketrom v3 JB 4.1.2
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Philz 2.7
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Someone could give a ETA for this "Stop Eta"?
Public/open forums you can't expect anything, except that people will try to have the easiest sollution for them, because they cba , can't, don't want, don't know, lazy, no time, too (use) search.
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What happened to tytung

i have been off from xda lately due to my admission process.logged in some time ago and saw that tytung has stopped support on xda and all his threads closed.why did this happen.can someone shed a light on this.
I am not offending anybody's decision. Just curious
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Whats happened to tytung

Ah that's a real shame. He put out some great ROMs but that's what happens when you don't obey the rules I guess. It's also nice to see that the mods are completely unbiased and won't give members preferential treatment due to their titles.

Oddly, tytung's threads were all closed apparently because he stated that he would not support them (although he did update). That is the reason given in @kinfauns closing post(s). This is the first time that I am aware of, of threads being closed due to lack of support by the dev. And I can see no rule which states that a dev MUST provide support.
In fact (some) support for these threads was being provided by members, and that is the case for many threads in which the developer/OP is no longer contributing to xda for whatever reason.
People using tytung's roms and needing support on xda, have no choice now but to seek support from "another place". Is it the intention of xda to force people to use a rival site? Or is it to stop people from promoting a rival site and therefore breaking xda rules?
I am just a bit confused as to why these threads were closed, any clarification would be appreciated.

I agree with Robbie p that the threads should be kept open for the users to help each other. Still if the mods are against it we can have a support thread in the general section.
Feels to lose a great dev
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It more looks like few moderators are simply emotionally hurt(you know what I mean) because Tytung's left.
No seriously, this is dumb. I can't post and provide ANY support for Tytungs ROM's(as many other people who got knowledge) because someone closed threads.
Even if there's no Tytung's, WE can provide basic support, for older iterations of ROM. There's much magic still to be done with HD2 android.
This is abusive. Mod responsible for this kind of damage should be punished.

Robbie P said:
Oddly, tytung's threads were all closed apparently because he stated that he would not support them (although he did update). That is the reason given in @kinfauns closing post(s). This is the first time that I am aware of, of threads being closed due to lack of support by the dev. And I can see no rule which states that a dev MUST provide support.
In fact (some) support for these threads was being provided by members, and that is the case for many threads in which the developer/OP is no longer contributing to xda for whatever reason.
People using tytung's roms and needing support on xda, have no choice now but to seek support from "another place". Is it the intention of xda to force people to use a rival site? Or is it to stop people from promoting a rival site and therefore breaking xda rules?
I am just a bit confused as to why these threads were closed, any clarification would be appreciated.
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disclaimer ....the following reply is only my opinions
i agree with you ..there are many threads in the hd2 android dev section that should also be closed for no dev support ..in fact 98 percent of them shold be closed for lack of dev support
but what i think was the underlying problem was his links for roms went to links that generated money for him..
and i know if i was a dev that had 3 or 4 different rom threads i wouldnt wanna have to monitor 3 or 4 different q/a&t threads for those roms either that would make 6 or 8 threads a dev would have to monitor ,most dont have the time for that
hell you can see the activity in both sections has almost ground to a crawl ..its as if xda is slowly trying to fade out the hd2 android section
dont be surprised if you see some of the few remaining devs stop making roms and move on to something else
and those posts about about this being a dev thread please post in the q&a section blah blah blah are not helpfull to anyone and just clutter up the dev threads even more then offtopic posts do ..xda is trying to do much to late .ive been on xda since 2010 and there was never a problem with how the threads were maintained and handled ..
hell if the wanna do something good for the forum ..then they should change the signup rules and stop all the lazy people from just coming in new and immediatly posting about something that they couldve searched and read about but are to lazy to and want it all handed to them on a silver plate .....also they could remove people like abumaha who has never posted a single post about how good a rom is ..but always post how do i do this and why doesnt this rom work
ok im off my soapbox now

^ Still don't believe that abumaha is somehow still here :') But yeah I agree with Kam, things haven't been done completely correctly IMO.
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+1 to kameirus i agree 143%
and abuhama.. just lol
on off topic on topic, if you want to find tytung , just google "forum tytung android" and you should find his forums

Everyone knows the mod's in question were just looking for an excuse they could give. He had dropped a new hd2 rom about 2 or 3 weeks prior. He had instructions on how to install it in post 1. Exactly how much "support" does a dev have to provide the users anyway? It was bs plain and simple....oh and if you looked at his status later they knocked him down to a "Senior Member"......I haven't seen any of the OTHER idle dev's getting their status pulled for being "idle".
As mentioned..they've done an excellent job of killing off the hd2 forum....there is almost no active development going on and the closest rom to tytungs still has a long list of things marked "not working". Tytung was also the only one producing recent jelly bean kernels with hd2 specific fixes so everything worked.

famewolf said:
1. Exactly how much "support" does a dev have to provide the users anyway? It was bs plain and simple....oh and if you looked at his status later they knocked him down to a "Senior Member"......I haven't seen any of the OTHER idle dev's getting their status pulled for being "idle".
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As mentioned..they've done an excellent job of killing off the hd2 forum....there is almost no active development going on and the closest rom to tytungs still has a long list of things marked "not working". Tytung was also the only one producing recent jelly bean kernels with hd2 specific fixes so everything worked.
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That's right. all they're doing is killing the HD2 forums ...
i had reported all the "thread closed" posts by that mod, and i got:
tytung was not being picked on. This action was not taken lightly, or by kinfauns alone. tytung left us no choices.
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but in addition to close his threads, they also lowered him to senior member???
sorry if this is rude, but kinda reminds me of when a kid has his candy bar stoled, and he does everything to take revenge and take it back. enough for me

I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.

MarkAtHome said:
I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.
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It does feel like some immature revenge.
It's not like only Tytung's got punished, but XDA users who were using his ROM's
I got unnerving thought, that this whole action is to bury HD2 development and make it Low legacy. While it's still in it's strenght despite old age
Shame on you XDA

MarkAtHome said:
I do not know who made the decision re Tytung, but it was not made by a matured intellect. I have run systems since 1979 (with over 35 years as a senior networks systems/operations engineer) and have dealt with many experienced administrators, moderators and sysops, and the way this was handled shows nothing but ego-driven/threatened immaturity.
Shame on XDA.
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yeah! i just bet anyone who made this decision to port android and then build it from source and support a device that was never intended to run android in the first place!

Some of you may remember me from back in the "glory days" of Android on the HD2 when Cotulla and Darkstone were making the very first ROMs. I was here daily loading new builds, even when you could not turn the screen off one time or you'd get the SOD. That was when you could only do it through haret.
Fast forward a bit and we had magldr and cLK and where we really had a million options. Personally after a while I would pretty much stick with ACA on SD dual booted with WP7, but there were some really cool things out there to do. I spent many hours trying to troubleshoot people to flash hspl 2.08 or the right radio or to NOT flash certain radios etc. to get things going right.
Tytung was one of the greats as far as ROM and kernel development, and I am not prevaricating when I tell you that there is no XDA Staff on this site who does not respect what Tytung brought to the table. To put it in very simple yet eloquent terms: Dude had skill...
But our standing policy at XDA has always been that we do not keep open development threads with no support. Due to the fact that we just don't talk about individual dealings in public at XDA for privacy concerns we cannot get into specifics. But I can tell you that XDA has zero to gain from a developer such as that no longer supporting development threads here.
When something like this happens, there is no "victory" and no winner. sometimes things just don't work out for various reasons, and then sometimes things work out just fine in the end.
I can respect the disappointment and ambivalence on this matter, and believe me when I say that the HD2 is still a mighty device worthy of respect. I still own an HD2 along with all of the other devices I use, and it can still do some cool stuff. I wouldn't consider it a Legacy Device just yet!

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We understand all of this, but why close the threads? If you check the second or third page of the development forum and further, you can see many, and I mean MANY threads of ROMs which are either discontinued or whose developers moved onto other things, other devices. Yet, they are still open, and from time to time you see people bringing them back to surface and getting help. Just because the developer ceased support, it doesn't mean the threads should be closed. Delete his links, remove his other websites, just keep the threads open for members' discussion.
If the developer haven't requested a closure, I don't see a reason why they should be closed.

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We understand all of this, but why close the threads? If you check the second or third page of the development forum and further, you can see many, and I mean MANY threads of ROMs which are either discontinued or whose developers moved onto other things, other devices. Yet, they are still open, and from time to time you see people bringing them back to surface and getting help. Just because the developer ceased support, it doesn't mean the threads should be closed. Delete his links, remove his other websites, just keep the threads open for members' discussion.
If the developer haven't requested a closure, I don't see a reason why they should be closed.
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When a developer publicly announces he will no longer follow the rules, no longer support his work posted here, and is actively trying to recruit members away from XDA to his new site, what do you really expect us to do? Cooperate with this effort? Seriously? Sure there are lots of other threads that have been effectively abandoned by their dev/OP when they moved on to a new device, but we simply do not have the luxury of time to go sift through thousands of threads to find them. When they are reported, we evaluate the situation and then act on it according to our guidelines.
Decisions like this are never made quickly, lightly, or on the fly by a single mod here. Now, I am closing this thread and I would appreciate it if no further threads were opened on this topic as it won't help to resolve the situation but will only make it worse.
You all do not know all of the facts in this situation, nor will you as we must respect tytung's privacy in his communications with us so we will not divulge them publicly. tytung is not banned or blacklisted, and is welcome to return here should he change his mind about following the rules. If he does not want to do that, it is entirely up to him.
Thank you,
mikef
XDA Senior Moderator