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Xda vibrant section in jeopardy?

Ok, is this *normal* that one by one the devs (jac, kk, sombionix and the rest of tw, and now - eugene373) proclaimed, effectively, that are abandoning (at least to a certain degree) xda? Their personal conflicts (which are unlikely our business) aside, is there anything else that feeds this tendency? In particular, are the xda modes doing enough (or anything at all?) to diffuse and perhaps reverse the trend? Or am I wrong to assume that this would be their business? I witnessed that 90% of (sane) xda members are being as supportive as ever to devs. There are, of course, the challenged ones, but it's the internet. So I don't see anything that regular (sane) members did wrong. And yet the facts are... disturbing.
P.S. Oh, and, after a week of admiring 'wannaby modes' nonsense here, do you mind not telling me that this thread doesn't belong to general or is off-topic? The point of this is to discuss if anything can be done to prevent that many see as an unfortunate trend in *vibrant* section.

I don't know about JAC or KK, because they are the older developers who works on the I9000 model before I even get a chance to visit XDA.
I believe that Team Whiskey moved out because they want to have their own support forum, with dedicated Donator Section for their supporters. Also to provide more ROM specific support for their ROMS.
As for Eugene, I am not too sure, but it may be due to people no respecting his work?
P.S. When did Eugene said that he is 'leaving' XDA?

He never said this. But he explicitly said that he is abandoning specific xda threads (which is, obviously, his full right) and will be posting only on his site.

i can understand this. Its starting to turn into a business, if they want to post their work that they put time into on their own website, that is their full right, and it makes sense. And it shouldnt be that big of a deal, its not that hard to make an account on either of their websites to gain access to their forums. So if they want to make their ROM's a little more private, then i give permission haha

While it's unfortunate, it seems pretty necessary to me. It's impossible to continue to have all discussion on a particular ROM in a single thread. It makes it much harder to find bug reports, for example. So having your own forum and website dedicated to your own ROM makes sense.
Just because they're leaving XDA doesn't mean they're gonna stop coding. And all of the devs know quite well that XDA is the best place to inform people about their ROMs.

Oh well I hope team whiskey makes a mobile app for theyre site
Still flashing , thanks to odin

Just for your knowledge..
KK was banned
JAC well know one knows
But just because most of us are opening our own sites doesnt mean we are going to jump away from XDA.
XDA is a great way to get our names out there..
Our personal sites are just so you guys have all our work in one location & can ask more questions or request features there. (Or that is was I do)

Keeping it classy, o yeah.
XDA is the hub... their sites are the gold mines.
Keep supporting the developers as much as you can, and that Vibrant is going to always be in tip-top form.

Master™ said:
Just for your knowledge..
KK was banned
JAC well know one knows
But just because most of us are opening our own sites doesnt mean we are going to jump away from XDA.
XDA is a great way to get our names out there..
Our personal sites are just so you guys have all our work in one location & can ask more questions or request features there. (Or that is was I do)
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I missed what kk was banned for possibly a little before my time here
Still flashing , thanks to odin

I try to keep the Wiki updated with information. Although it is not mine to house hold so if anyone else want to add their 2 cents to the wiki please do so. Eugene just want to post his stuff in his forum for what the other people mentioned. Which is his full right. And is still going to keep tabs on XDA as it is a good place to get together.

reuthermonkey said:
While it's unfortunate, it seems pretty necessary to me. It's impossible to continue to have all discussion on a particular ROM in a single thread. It makes it much harder to find bug reports, for example. So having your own forum and website dedicated to your own ROM makes sense.
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Ok, so maybe the xda mods need to show a bit more flexibility to better accommodate devs needs? Check either TW or Eugene's forums. Essentially, they replicate (nearly 1:1) the structure of xda vibrant sections. I understand that devs want more control over their threads and better organization. But it seems to me that it wouldn’t be that hard to implement the same right here:
A) create a separate sticky for each developer’s project
B) give devs certain mod rights within their threads
Again, I am certainly not against personal web sites, etc. And in no way am I trying to critisize the devs here (obviously it's their right to do whatever they feel like doing!). I am just trying to understand if xda is adopting to the situation. Maybe some small changes at xda can help to prevent the further devs fragmentation. I think nobody would want to see xda becoming just a hub for links to personal sites. Discussion, exchange of ideas, healthy competition (ok, this one may need to be put on hold for a while), comparative reviews like the one that swehes is doing are SO MUCH better when devs are actively participating.
EDIT: Actually, I suspect that if devs had a right to edit their own threads, some (if not most) conflicts would have never become public at the first place.

[Q] Benefits or Rooting?

Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks

spazfishy said:
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Disclaimer/Advice/Humble Opinion:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA, Google) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.

I second what CBC has said. They lock these phones down for business and support reasons, mainly that having root lets you pretty easily screw things up. You shouldn't root unless you have a good idea of what's actually going on, how to back out of it, etc. Just page through some of the root/unroot threads and look at all the stupid questions people post. If they don't look stupid to you, please read read read before thinking any more about rooting.
Don't take any personal offense to this, it just that there's a real chance you can brick your device. The software root itself is fairly safe but at least the original method to disabling the write protection--flashing the engineering hboot--modifies your last line of defense in fixing a broken device.

spazfishy said:
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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jjjackson56 said:
Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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Wow, so much for friendly forum help huh...

Sorry not trying to be rude or unhelpful I'm just blunt I could've sugar coated it but what would be the point. You obviously found us using one of the many search engines out there just change your query and you won't get flamed.
As a side note anyone else in the future please do some research before asking this.
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Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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thedroid said:
Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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Amen! I could read all day long till I am blue in the face and I have. I did not think asking people who are familiar with the process would be such a bad thing..
Good job with the flaming though. I'll just chalk it up as internet small man syndrome...

@spazfishy
I first started tweaking my phones with a couple WM HTC devices. I did it mostly to increase performance and become a member of a community of geeks (for lack of a better term). BTW, when I say tweak I don't mean building ROMs or writing code. I'm an idiot in that regard.
I'm a year and a month into having Android phones and I still don't know anything about SDK, very, very little about ADB push/pull, etc. Still, I've managed to have fun with my phones and have rooted and toyed with them without any issue worse than a boot loop here and there. It's fun to be the first guy to get an update for a ROM because you're eagerly hitting refresh on the supporting thread. There's also a satisfaction in reading a ****load of info on these forums and figuring out something by yourself or with a little input from the guys here.
I can agree that you should read as much as you can about how these phones work. However, you don't need to know as much as you might think. What helped me was watching some youtube videos...walkthroughs of rooting and tutorials for installing ROMs.

It's **** like this, XDA.
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to spazfishy, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.

Sl3PR said:
I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. .
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your post was good but it was spazfishy who was asking the question. it's all good.

Sl3PR said:
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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ckisgen said:
I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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Great. Then why don't you and Sl3PR be the first to start helping. Your turn.

People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.

jeff7790 said:
People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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You're right. I agree. Let them brick. Then be right back here begging for help.
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Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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jeff7790 said:
People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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Ya so he could send it back thus driving up the price of new phones and causing phone manufacturers to lose money and causing more headaches for them as well as others.
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jjjackson56 said:
Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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yes, heaven forbid he not do EXACTLY what you did!
in a Q&A forum no less..give me a break. and no, I'm not gonna keep going on and on about this in this thread. i'm done.
it just proves the original point i was trying to make - which is now we just have another thread on this boards of people being a**holes and talking down to other people just because they don't possess the exact same information you do or because they aren't going about your perfect prescribed process for obtaining said information..whatever.
if someone asks a question you don't like - why don't you just go re-root your phone? or put your wife's cat in the microwave?
if you have the answer - why not take the 90 seconds it was going to take you to be a giant tool and just answer the question?
OR if redundant posts is really THAT big of a problem on here - then have moderators just delete these posts? or figure out how to become a moderator and then you can play forum cop in all of your spare time and delete these posts and actually be part of a solution not just a part of another problem.
see all you happy campers in another post
have a nice day.
(and btw - CBC - at least your initial reply had some actual information in it and geniune advice. jjackson was just being a jerk. that's what i thought was totally unnecessary. and as far it being 'my turn' - since i've been regularly reading this forum, i do answer questions when i feel like i have something to contribute..this is my first android phone and i have only temp rooted so that's why i didn't answer his post to begin with)

Ok well I'm sorry if I otherwise offended anyone with my rants.
So lmgtfy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
But do not follow those instructions they are not for our device. I REPEAT DO NOT FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIONS. Just use that as a helpful guide for information.
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Hey, a big thanks to the people that were actually helpful. For real this reply will be short and simple but seriously to the haters. Why do you even waste your time replying if you do not like my question? Are you simply here to feel powerful and mock people? Like why would you go out of your way to call me and idiot and assume I am going to break my phone? I really don't see what's in it for you besides a self attained ego boost. Hence the small man comment...
So to the helpful people: thedroid, daryllh, Sl3PR, ckisgen and anyone else with a helpful word or two your comments are much appreciated and with your wisdom I am slightly more educated and will make a decision. And to the others well I didn't know my text took up so much space!! Good luck in scaring more new users away! I hope you guys get a lot of people to click your donation buttons!

ATRIX forum turning me off

I check all over this forum for all known kinds of phones and used to be very active over in the captivate forums. And theres one difference here a lot of you guys are just rude. Its kind of making me not even want to be a part of xda anymore. Its like most of you are just here to be douchebags.
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I have to agree with you...it does appear that some people here a lot less cordial than over at the Captivate forum...if it wasn't for my 1006 with the terrible GPS I probably would have kept it and waited for the Attain.
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We are so roods! Let's come to a forum and troll a bunch of people trying to recover from bricks
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Hydro360 said:
I check all over this forum for all known kinds of phones and used to be very active over in the captivate forums. And theres one difference here a lot of you guys are just rude. Its kind of making me not even want to be a part of xda anymore. Its like most of you are just here to be douchebags.
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I agree... people are attacking devs and making false accusations saying that they are full of **** just because they haven't released anything yet or that it dosent work right out of the gate. Maybe once everyone calms down and decides to be a bit patient then maybe people will be able to get some work done instead if dealing with all the whiners. I feel bad for all the devs for having to put up with it all.

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...which.. forum turns you on? ;D
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i agree, the atrix forum is filled with a bunch of kids. the captivate forum was way better =/

coming from a background of development and being involved with computers from young age and doing actual work I can easily assume that most people that have atrix are people that have decided to pay $$ for a good phone. Most of these people do not have background of normal programmers so it is understandable that they cannot comprehend how much effort goes into writing each line of code and making sure each line of code works flawlessly with the rest of the code.
I would simply suggest that if people were more patient and let people with more experience to TEST all new releases for bugs before doing it themselves we would have a much better atrix forum

xredjokerx said:
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...which.. forum turns you on? ;D
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i agree, the atrix forum is filled with a bunch of kids. the captivate forum was way better =/
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I'd say most came from that area. Unfortunately, it spoiled some people due to the success devs had with that phone. Now that we're unlocked, hopefully we can get away from those dark days

Nothing of this happen if devs say something "i will release xxx on next xxx weeks", even if its a lie, or maybe "i'll not release this, period". Simple.
Forum is a community like a city, do you imagine live on a city where the govern doesn't say nothing and make what they want? Revolution like is happening on some afrika countries.
Bad compare, but true. No one is obliged to do something, but when you say in public that you are developing, you have commited to do, so people wait some ETA, status of developing etc...
I was developing some app for students around the world, but when my atrix got bricked i loose the will to do, but i had not promised to anyone or advertise to anyone.

LMAO
This forum really did turn into a flamefest in the last month or two. I've never seen a sub forum full of so much hate!!

bongd said:
LMAO
This forum really did turn into a flamefest in the last month or two. I've never seen a sub forum full of so much hate!!
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And everyone will loose, community will enter in a war, and motorola and others manufactures will win the right of control our lifes.

Long time lurker
As a long time lurker i have to agree, people seem to forget that people here are donating their time and skill free of charge. Some times things don't go to plan other times real life gets in the way.
The devs here deserve our support and respect. I joined just after I got my HD2 and the number of times i have been rescued from bricking my phone is beyond count. I love this forum, at the moment the atrix forum does remind me of chat avenue, any one remember that site?

i think its much nicer coming from the x10 forum o.o

Hydro360 said:
I check all over this forum for all known kinds of phones and used to be very active over in the captivate forums. And theres one difference here a lot of you guys are just rude. Its kind of making me not even want to be a part of xda anymore. Its like most of you are just here to be douchebags.
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OP I couldn't agree with you more.
We have a couple of known users here that think they are above the "XDA Community". This doesn't help when new users sign onto XDA, and think this type of behavior is the norm.
I understand that rookie mistakes can be frustrating, but were supposed to help and not put down others around here.
For anybody that started XDA before the Atrix, it's easy to tell how sour this place can get at times.
Hopefully more people stand up, and help clean up some of that "stuff" around here...

I need to agree =/.....
but I think with unlock bootloader more serious people come where to play with atrix, I will not leave xda, I'm here since 2007 soo xD
I've been pass good moments here .....found good and exelente solutions, have a few problemes with some crazy users.....eheh

Hi,
I see the odd snarky remark from the un-socialized, but what is dragging the forums down these days is short attention span and laziness. Resurrected threads, multiple topics on the same thing. It's endless.
Cheers!

devbro said:
coming from a background of development and being involved with computers from young age and doing actual work I can easily assume that most people that have atrix are people that have decided to pay $$ for a good phone. Most of these people do not have background of normal programmers so it is understandable that they cannot comprehend how much effort goes into writing each line of code and making sure each line of code works flawlessly with the rest of the code.
I would simply suggest that if people were more patient and let people with more experience to TEST all new releases for bugs before doing it themselves we would have a much better atrix forum
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lol this is exactly why I didn't hop on the latest roms and mods yet (except for Pudding, which I "ate" right away!)
As a rule of thumb, I am never an early adopter.

xepter said:
i think its much nicer coming from the x10 forum o.o
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This is my first android phone, and first reason to come to xda. This does seem related to restlessness of not being able to mod the phone the way other phones can be. Now that the bootloader unlock is out of the bag, I was figuring I would see less hostile members, and perhaps this will be the case when there isn't an inferiority complex about being behind other phones in development ability, i.e. CM7 with overclocked kernel combination is available and stable.
Everyone could use a j and some Bob Marley.

devbro said:
coming from a background of development and being involved with computers from young age and doing actual work I can easily assume that most people that have atrix are people that have decided to pay $$ for a good phone. Most of these people do not have background of normal programmers so it is understandable that they cannot comprehend how much effort goes into writing each line of code and making sure each line of code works flawlessly with the rest of the code.
I would simply suggest that if people were more patient and let people with more experience to TEST all new releases for bugs before doing it themselves we would have a much better atrix forum
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If "anyone" doesn't have the funds for a replacement, IMHO it's best not to test the "deep end" of the swimming pool.
Let "multiple people" confirm things first, or play it safe with "Official OTAs"...
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The Atrix forums are the worse out of the ones i've spent time in (captivate, focus, inspire and Atrix). Never have I seen so much *****ing, fighting and crying over every little thing. But im here to stay either way
Sent via the power of a unicorn's horn.

The Atrix forums was the first one I've seen on XDA, the Atrix being my first device. I didnt really think much of it, since I've seen worse forums before. But once I got a nook color and saw how peaceful that section was in comparison, I've been kinda thinking the same thing.
Many people here need to realize the value of patience, the meaning of donations, the effort of actual developers and the responsibility involved in flashing untested code. And the search button.

To all Android newcomers on XDA:

Hi there.
If you're new to Android, how about you actually figure out the OS before you go ***** in the forums to developers?
People seem to think that XDA is a place to go get updates for their phone, and then complain about how it has problems.
It isn't. Developers don't owe you squat. They put out what they WANT to put out. XDA is a development forum, made by developers for developers. If you don't know what you're doing, don't do it.
Also, people tend to ***** about problems that they caused themselves. For example, I see people complaining in kernel threads about how they undervolted their phone by -75mv in SetCPU and then complain about how they got a freeze or a SoD and proceed to ask the developer to "fix kernal pl0x".
If you mess with system settings, take a second to think that what you're doing *might* be causing problems.
If you DO have a legitimate problem, take a second to think that someone else might have the problem. Search the thread and check if someone else has the same problem. One thing that is somewhat recurring is people saying "herp I'm too lazy to search 5 pages in the thread". If you're too lazy to click your mouse a few times, kindly consider driving off a cliff.
Also, fun fact, did you know that every time you ***** about battery life a baby seal drowns? True story.
Let your battery go through 2 charge cycles, check for wakelocks on your phone with BetterBatteryStats. If all else fails, consider charging your phone overnight. It's not like you live in an Amazonian forest with no power and need your smartphone to last for a month without charging. Go buy an old Nokia if you need your battery to last long.
Here's another thought: try to make your post even remotely readable. Use proper English, it helps us actually understand whatever you're trying to say.
Spare us all headaches and use your common sense.
Here's some more reading material: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19643797&postcount=5298
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leech_(computing)

Good point well made.

Well said - although I might have said in more gentle terms But there is no doubt whatsoever that any settings, ROM flashing, kernel flashing etc. is at the users own risk and no developer can be held responsible for any damage!
Isn't it possible somehow to make a checklist for new users that are important before they mess around? As they are new we got to help them in order to avoid the "stupid" questions.
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Agree with you that XDA is a Developers forum
But on a side note I am sure Devs like that their work is appreciated and in turn I am sure it motivates them to continue working towards better roms and stuff.
I have seen most Devs on XDA take it as creative criticism and always try to get work arounds preety quickly which is think is super brilliant.
You can't stop people *****ing around its each person's nature and I guess we can just ignore them and carry on with the good things that XDA has to offer us.
Besides N00bs will be Noobs - I still am and grateful for XDA Dev's and Members for their Support
Still a Good Point made...

While I agree with most points made, I should also point out the obvious point that without users there's no need for developers. I'm sure the developers would like people to make use of their work.
Also, while searching in theory is nice, sometimes it doesn't work. A problem can be described in many ways. I fully support that users should search before asking, but don't be too hard on people who ask. Some may have searched and failed to find relevant answers.

Totally agree. But with android selling like wild fire the noob intake will increase like crazy. Call it pure laziness to be honest lol.
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Logi_Ca1 said:
without users there's no need for developers
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lol.... looks like you really know how this site started..

As i said on a previous thread temporary bannings need to start being issued should people come on and start asking questions which have been answered dozens of times before, i don't know if it's possible in the registration process so newbies can be informed that they need to use the search function first and foremost for any questions where they will most likely find the answer to their questions and only if they cant may then then start a thread where they will most likely get plenty of assistance,when i first joined it was nowhere near as bad as it is now, it's quite painful coming on here sometimes and looking at the same old questions day in,day out.

@OP- Read this before you spread your smart advices to others.
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum
Forum definition: A public meeting place for open discussion.
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I also may add when i first joined or rather a few weeks before i registered i done a bit of reading on XDA to try and familiar myself with some of the topics and jargon used as i didn't really have a clue about anything like this, but back to my original point, use the search function and chances are it will bring up something that your looking for at this stage i cant think of anything that hasn't been covered on here with regard to the SGSII.

ithehappy said:
@OP- Read this before you spread your smart advices to others.
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum
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You see, forums are made to discuss specific things. This particular forum was made to discuss development for Windows Mobile and Android. Therefore, we should keep discussion specific to development. And I'm pretty sure development talk isn't "FIX KERNAL PL0X BATTERY DRAINZZ!".
But then again, what do I know.

Maybe a little aggressive, especially to new members, I understand the point being made, but I like many others have come here to ask for advice and share my finding with other like minded android users, some of the advice I've found most useful has been from other new members with similar issues and questions. Be careful not to frighten new folks off. I've seen threads like this destroy forums in the past. It's all about the wording, and coming across friendly, but allowing folks to understand how the forum works. From what I've read, there are plenty of warning on the rooting and firmware threads, so users have been warned before they try anything vaguely risky. There will always be those who don't heed the advice, but those folks ain't likely to read this thread. Anyhoots peace to all, as this a great place.

so unfriendly. everybody started off as noobs, including developers.

Seifer1975 said:
so unfriendly. everybody started off as noobs, including developers.
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I'm not bashing noobs, I'm telling them to stop being idiots.

I agree with the op.
Each time I have come accross a problem, it has been remedied by returning to the developer's thread to follow the instructions properly, along with taking on board what tips fellow members have said in the assosiated thread.
If I can figure that much out -which isn't rocket science- then I am sure that other should be able to. If only we lived in 'should land'.
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At this point I'm glad that we still have developers here. I couldn't develop my way out of a hostage situation, but am willing to:
Follow the instructions,
Search if I have a problem,
Verify that I did indeed follow the instructions,
Provide a detailed description of problem if I can't rectify,
Present the developer with any info they may need to diagnose (logs, etc...),
Respect the distinction between Q&A and development,
When it doubt watch the video again, you're a noob f-stick and so am I,
Don't piss and moan when I have an issue, I elected to not have a stock phone, nobody held a gun to my head, but if you piss and moan it makes me want to hold a Kalashnikov to yours: search, contribute, learn to troubleshoot.
The Me Generation, need I say more?

I've been sickened keeping up with the siriya thread at the amount of people asking dumb questions too. It doesn't seem to be getting any better.
I work retail and I barely barely have enough free time or energy to keep up with playing with my galaxy s. I have no idea how these developers even do it.
People need to learn some respect for these amazing guys. But I guess the amount of noobs will only ever increase. So I guess the devs will need to adapt.
Anyway, one reason I'm posting this is because it's my 10th post and this allows me to go and post my thanks in the syriya thread!
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Logi_Ca1 said:
While I agree with most points made, I should also point out the obvious point that without users there's no need for developers. I'm sure the developers would like people to make use of their work.
Also, while searching in theory is nice, sometimes it doesn't work. A problem can be described in many ways. I fully support that users should search before asking, but don't be too hard on people who ask. Some may have searched and failed to find relevant answers.
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Well that's one of the things. Developers don't do it just for people to use it. They do it for learning, testing, and fun. There were custom roms for smartphones when only other developers used it. Did that stop them? Nope we got great things like Cookies Hometab and MaxSense. Everytime I hear "without users their would be no developers" I just have to sit back and say "really what do you think we have been doing on XDA for years before the average user even knew what a smartphone was?"

There is a lot of pointless stuff posted on xda now, often by people who show no respect for the fact that everything here is free of charge. The price of free is that you do a little legwork & read the threads before posting crap like "help i bricked my phone" or "why don't you take the softkeys off the ics gui" which must have been asked 3000 times, when will you release it, which is the best rom? etc.
The admins asked for suggestions last year on how to manage the influx of new members. I didn't suggest anything so I now reap what I sowed. I do have some suggestions now though; let the devs, admins and people with something to download start new threads for free and make the people starting helpdesk or spammy type threads pay, use a keyword or keyphrase blocklist to stop people who can't be bothered to read or who want to ask unreasonable questions from clogging up the threads.
Xda now has adverts so obviously the more the merrier for revenue but if the target is quantity over quality the mods shouldn't complain when they go and clean all the spam out of threads, instead they should just say thanks for your spam please call again soon.
So what is the aim, quality or quantity?
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umadbro?!?!?!

Br1ckd is gone to root, goodbye xda.

Moving on to greener pastures
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See ya' on the flip side ...

Yeah, I think I may move as well but I'll keep in touch with xda. seriously, mods. This forum is for Developers, not for you to be a little ***** and think you're the king of everything.
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The f*k happened anyway?!?? I heard rumors and I'm not stateside so I don't log in as much so I really don't know what happened

Oo oo I know

This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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And without developers say goodbye to your advertising sponsorship. Slippery slope guys.
Remember, this is just a Web forum, nothing more and nothing less.
Maybe a revaluation of your perceived value of importance is known order.
It's just a real shame that the best devs keep leaving, and always for similar reasons. Biting the hand that feeds is never smart.

lostwhat83 said:
This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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No its good for everyday people to post what they get when they flash new roms. Now bad mouthing that's a different story..

Hmmm that's ridiculous..
But i like this site..

Did people get butthurt over some ROMs not working or something? I'm confused, I would expect the devs to encourage bug testing and criticism...

clofan said:
Did people get butthurt over some ROMs not working or something? I'm confused, I would expect the devs to encourage bug testing and criticism...
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I don't know exactly what happened, but it wasn't something that an average user did. Brick'd was a fun guy. One of the mods decided to close the thread for a reason that I do not know, and brick'd wanted to say goodbye.
oka1 should be the only mod for our forum, he actually gets us + hes pretty damn cool. even though i have like 70 infractions from him from a year ago haha

Judging from Br1ckd's post in Zen I think something happened to another on the DD team. My guess is it was Dan but not sure. The mod in our tablet forum can go on power trips. Because Br1ckd is a Recognized Developer he has the power to lock/unlock his own thread.
Pretty sure it was an all for 1, 1 for all type thing. He's in a better place now. So lets not mourn his loss but rejoice in his new beginning. Hey, it's almost Easter and Padre Wood is done with his sermon.

Woodrube is on point. I pulled my stuff, closed my threads, and stopped hosting on xda due to something that happened in the sgs2 forums between a trusted friend and DD member, and an overzealous, aggro moderator. As well, the same DD member has also been receiving harassing pm's that the mods didn't seem to want to help with.
I've spoken with Oka1 about my decision and the facts surrounding it, and thanked him heavily for his part in cleaning up the Vibrant forum in recent months. He really has had a big hand in bringing this particular subforum to where it is now.
I harbor no ill will towards anyone over here and I still check in from time to time. However, I also stand by those who stand by me. When my boy had enough of the BS, it was obviously time for a change, and as a new team, we showed great unity in unanimously voting to move.
Hope this sets the record a bit more straight. Feel free y'all, to pop by and say hi sometime, sit a spell, and visit some old friends, and some new ones.
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From this Moderator of the Vibrant
I Like all the guys in this forum, and this forum's Devs have been Stellar and worked together to keep things even and fair, properly giving credit to those who deserve. AS to the other forums I really do not know what happened, but I do know the SGS2 forums is a pretty tough bunch. So, it is understandable that some devs would get tired of the rowdiness..... That's unfortunate. I will strive to talk to the superiors about this incident so XDA can learn from it and make this forum a more conducive environment for all......
Thanks to all in this forum for being the good participants you are ........ ~~~ oka1

lostwhat83 said:
This happens in every phone forum on this site. I have been on xda (as a user only) since the g1. I think it is good that the devs leave this site. Xda is only the first step for a new dev. Since the mods do not understand the term "development". Your everyday user should not be able to post in a dev thread. That is why we have a general forum. The Dev thread is for developers to talk to other developers to make a better product. It is not a place for users to complain and bad mouth developers, all that does out make them leave. Maybe one day xda will realize that.....cyanogen started on xda....he had his own site now....I wonder why.....lol
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They just need to have a better "recognized developer" system. that way ONLY developers can post in dev section, and they have an available option to enable/disable posting in their thread - leave discussion threads for the general section. as long as the moderators cleaned up the general section once a day, making sure there is only one discussion thread per rom - it would be a flawless system
I think the more annoying thing is how people can theme a ROM, add a couple apks, along with some build.prop/ram tweaks, and then post it in the dev section as a new ROM. that drives me mad, and then the noobs encourage this behavior (because they dont know any better) by saying "why complain about having more options??", and by calling these members "developers" - release it under themes/apps, not development
^^the end result of this is a cluttered development section with multiple versions of the same ROM - all of them having poor explanations - so you dont know which ROMS are legit enough to monitor because they all have the same damn features listed