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HTC Update in 10 Days

Vonn over at Android Community Forums just posted that they got an email from HTC Customer Care saying that there will be an update in the very near future.
Full post from Vonn:
Lots of people will probably be interested in this. It was mailed to me today from HTC Customer Care and comes from HTC Head Office.
"HTC is actively working on a software update that will make your experience on your Hero device better. A partial software update is ready in 10 days and a major release will be available in mid September containing local language support.. Please check our website from time to time and update your device when the software is available"
Customer Care don't know exactly what will be contained in the update though so keep an eye on the site.
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Cool.
Lets hope the telco's have betas and are testing to allow for us branded Hero users to take advantage of this.

Normally branded phones have their own software, at least my htc diamond did. The website didn't accept my serial code, instead I had to go to the vodafone site to download the official vodafone rom.
Flashing it to a manufacturer rom (for example normal htc-rom) would screw up my warranty through vodafone (but I heard you would get warranty through htc)
So don't just flash, read before you do that

Stafflover said:
Normally branded phones have their own software, at least my htc diamond did. The website didn't accept my serial code, instead I had to go to the vodafone site to download the official vodafone rom.
Flashing it to a manufacturer rom (for example normal htc-rom) would screw up my warranty through vodafone (but I heard you would get warranty through htc)
So don't just flash, read before you do that
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That's good advice. Be warned, people!

Assuming you still had access, you could just flash it back, no?

Excellent news

Makes a change for HTC normally they wait for the guys on this forum to release updates for them. They must be keen to make sure they get the android market share.

Brilliant!

Excellent!!!

Great!
Can someone enlighten me as to how these updates (especially the "major" update in September) work? Do we completely reflash the entire rom? Will this erase our settings, personal data such as smses and downloaded apps? And will it bring the phone back to being unrooted?
Thanks

It will almost certainly wipe your phone but thanks to the fact that so much is stored on Google's servers and the SD card, I didn't find wiping my Hero was actually too bad. Certainly I was up and running again with far less hassle than my Touch Pro...

It will be interesting to see what improvements HTC can put together and what user issues they resolve with it.

Well, I certainly hope this is the case but the guy I spoke with today at HTC customer service in Sweden gave me quite the opposite impression. He told me no major fw-updates were planned, only minor fixes but no dates were set.
Hopefully, he's not up to speed

he's not, my email from HTC came this evening saying 10 days first, September second, i asked because i hope firmware update will take care of the led issue

Good just in time for the US release. Can't wait to hear what they manage to do.

Aridon said:
Good just in time for the US release. Can't wait to hear what they manage to do.
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So that's why they are doing a firmware update for the US market. Couldn't understand why they were so keen yo get an update out.

suisen said:
he's not, my email from HTC came this evening saying 10 days first, September second, i asked because i hope firmware update will take care of the led issue
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re the leds that will be interesting as my hero has been sent back to HTC for this very reason. When i spoke to customer support they said there was no record of the led issue being reported

Not having LED issues here so I hope the update addresses the UI lag with some performance enhancements.

To be honest, I'm hopeful but not optimistic. Heard all the 'new release in ten days' bollocks from HTC when I had the absolute disaster that was my Kaiser, and never got anything from them then. I hope they've changed...

The Doctor said:
It will almost certainly wipe your phone but thanks to the fact that so much is stored on Google's servers and the SD card, I didn't find wiping my Hero was actually too bad. Certainly I was up and running again with far less hassle than my Touch Pro...
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Not necessarily. If you're moving from one major build to another, e.g. T-Mobile US to T-Mobile UK ROM, or T-Mobile to Rogers ROM, then yes, you will probably need to wipe. My experience with the 'official' ROMs is that they never require a wipe and are designed to be so.

[Q] Future Updates?

Now that HTC Surround is a discountinued model, what chance do you think that we'll ever see updates from WP7 7.10.7720? Given that HTC and the orriginal carrier (in my case, Telus) control the relase of updates, why would they bother testing anyhting new on the Surround?
Are we stuck on 7720 for ever?

Don't think so. Regardless of the device status, Microsoft is still interested in providing a positive user experience and will do what's necessary to make sure relevant updates get pushed through. OEM firmware updates are also a possibility. Things like the dissapearing keyboard will get fixed.
While this is all speculation, all devices should continue to receive support/updates for at least 21-24 months from date of release, or the length of a typical (2 year) contract. At some point the hardware will not have the capability to support new features, but that's to be expected.

Let's hope you're right

the latest is 8779 but still couldnt find any free download on it so i just found 8773 which is the 2nd latest probably.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1685058

At&t Update coming.....
On their site said that an update for Windows Phone 7 and 7.5 phones it's coming, and the Surround is listed so here's hope I think
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB117823#fbid=K3TISJ0o9c9

Has anyone done a manual update to 8107?

First off can it be done and Is it worth doing a manual 8107 update to a Venue Pro?
I have an unlocked Tmobile version from NewEgg. I think its at 7720. I been reading if your going to do this you need to go to 7740 then to 8107 and then install the English language pack.
I guess the bottom line is if its worth it to do this?

I have, and here are my detailed instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497142
It was worthwhile for me, if only for the psychological reassurance that I wasn't being left behind in OS updates because of some idiots at T-Mobile (when, like you, I thought I had purchased an "unlocked" device, true in only one sense of the word). You'll probably need to use the same method to move up to the Tango OS update when it drops, so might as well get started now, eh?
Sent from my Venue Pro

How about Tango?
Someone in another forum thinks that a Tango update might be coming in a month so he not doing a manual update so that when they do send a update it will be automatic. He is not sure if you do the 8107 manually on a phone that would happen. Any thoughts?

No idea, but it certainly seems possible to do a factory reset back to old firmware if that's the case. From what I've read, you can smoothly step back into carrier/Zune updates as long as you've kept the languages consistent and updated through cab-sender.
Also, once Tango is available, I bet we can use cab-sender to get it rather than wait for T-mo or AT&T, right?

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i did mines sometime ago it works well

Well, this is my story. Once I did de update and everything went just fine... Until the next day! The phone started to be "laggy" but for short periods of time (about ten seconds or something) and then it became back to normal! I dont know if that had happened to some else!

Aside from the fix for the so-called "disappearing keyboard" bug, are there any other improvements we should want in 8107?
Considering that the DVP was the last phone to get the Mango update, and considering that Dell seems to have given up on phones altogether, I wouldn't expect regular updates. Unless someone knows something different.

[Q] Official 7.8 for Nokia Line...Soon for Rest?

News just got out today it was released for the Lumia 710,800, and 900(?) .
I remember Nokia announcing they added extra features to their updates (and this is through Navifirm which I guess is Nokia's exclusive update tool).
Anyway my point is, is it possible to extract a CAB out of the Nokia updates somehow and flash it to our devices, or is this not a generic CAB and instead manufacturer heavily tweaked so my question is retarded?
Lol
Thanks!

fubag said:
News just got out today it was released for the Lumia 710,800, and 900(?) .
I remember Nokia announcing they added extra features to their updates (and this is through Navifirm which I guess is Nokia's exclusive update tool).
Anyway my point is, is it possible to extract a CAB out of the Nokia updates somehow and flash it to our devices, or is this not a generic CAB and instead manufacturer heavily tweaked so my question is retarded?
Lol
Thanks!
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Aside from firmware updates, the previous cabs when using cab sender do seem to be generic for WP devices (I did a DIY post on updating to tango before and those cabs were from another listing for all WP phones). We would need to find out the addresses for the 7.8 cabs but is there something different with the 7.8 update process? I thought I read somewhere it's a bit different..

aleunge said:
Aside from firmware updates, the previous cabs when using cab sender do seem to be generic for WP devices (I did a DIY post on updating to tango before and those cabs were from another listing for all WP phones). We would need to find out the addresses for the 7.8 cabs but is there something different with the 7.8 update process? I thought I read somewhere it's a bit different..
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ya, i think we would have to wait until the non-Nokia devices receive the 7.8 upgrade since the Nokia cabs are bundled with nokia updates as well...so this is disappointing...
also from what I heard, our devices will never receive the update officially through the Zune program update process or receive notifications for an update...i.e. we will have to force the generic cab update like some of us did for Tango
this device has officially reached its end I guess...time to move on?

fubag said:
ya, i think we would have to wait until the non-Nokia devices receive the 7.8 upgrade since the Nokia cabs are bundled with nokia updates as well...so this is disappointing...
also from what I heard, our devices will never receive the update officially through the Zune program update process or receive notifications for an update...i.e. we will have to force the generic cab update like some of us did for Tango
this device has officially reached its end I guess...time to move on?
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I think if you've got a Dell factory unlocked DVP, you might have a chance for Zune 7.8 update as those phones have always gotten WP update notifications and updates through Zune, all the way up to Tango. But if you've got a TMO or ATT DVP (doesn't matter if you unlock), yeah, cab sender is the only way starting from 7740 (up to 7.8 now probably). We can blame TMO and ATT for that. :crying:

If someone ever captured the 00EU/00US bundles, we could likely turn all 31(att)/33(tmo) vps into unbranded ones.
But there's only ever 1 guy for every million or 2 updaters that bothers to capture urls, and we likely dont have enough people to bother capturing the urls

TheManii said:
If someone ever captured the 00EU/00US bundles, we could likely turn all 31(att)/33(tmo) vps into unbranded ones.
But there's only ever 1 guy for every million or 2 updaters that bothers to capture urls, and we likely dont have enough people to bother capturing the urls
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I have an unbranded DVP, if you tell me how to capture URL, I will as soon as I get an update. Im on 8773.98 now, officially update through zune.

TheManii said:
If someone ever captured the 00EU/00US bundles, we could likely turn all 31(att)/33(tmo) vps into unbranded ones.
But there's only ever 1 guy for every million or 2 updaters that bothers to capture urls, and we likely dont have enough people to bother capturing the urls
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+1 for capturing URLs. If I get an unbranded DVP in hand again, I'll do.
As for converting to unbranded DVPs, doesn't zune update check IMEI for updates though? That's how they're limiting the lumia 7.8 updates right now to preproduction/dev devices?

ya, i actually kept my replacement device and never sent my unbranded one back! LOL so I could capture URL's on my other one when it gets out too...sucks because my replacement is the TMO-unlocked one. =(

fubag said:
News just got out today it was released for the Lumia 710,800, and 900(?) .
I remember Nokia announcing they added extra features to their updates (and this is through Navifirm which I guess is Nokia's exclusive update tool).
Anyway my point is, is it possible to extract a CAB out of the Nokia updates somehow and flash it to our devices, or is this not a generic CAB and instead manufacturer heavily tweaked so my question is retarded?
Lol
Thanks!
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what i found:
Posted by DELL-NIKHIL M
replied on29 Nov 2012 7:02 AM
Hi trobin7,
Microsoft has officially not provided the release date. It is rumored to be early 2013.
Once Microsoft launches the release date Dell will let everyone know if Windows 7.8 update will be available for venue pro.
Please get back to us for further information.
Thanks and Regards,
Nikhil M
#iworkfordell
but it would be great to have such a "early solution" like for 7.5
some devs working on a custom 7.8 right now but it is still in an very early development stage - they still trying to find an unbrick and update solution with and without j-tag devices

To anyone willing to capture urls: you require a device that is already on the unbranded configuration (ie a 00US/00EU device, which is unbranded), and the device has to have a firmware bundle update available. (ie the device specific drivers)
The easiest way is to restore to a pre-mango update and reupdate and grab the urls. Otherwise we will simply have to hope that dell releases an update for WP7.8.
We dont know if 7.8 requires a new bundle to work, or if the mango ones will simply work (tango didnt require any new firmware bundles, you can install tango on a device that already had mango without dell releasing anything)
Just as much, i need someone very brave to attempt to flash either the at&t one on a tmo device, or the reverse.
I only assume it will work, I definitely cannot say with certianty that it will even work, or even that it wont brick the device
I would recommend someone that already has used the tmo ffu before to attempt to flash the att firmware bundle on top of a tmo device and see what happens.
You should hypothetically be able to unbrick/restore to tmo afterwards.
If it does, we can simply move devices into being unbranded as if any VP were to get 7.8, it would be the unbranded ones first.

Well as far as my knowledge goes all mobiles currently having Windows 7.X will be upgraded to the latest 7.8 as and when it is launched to general public. Possibly this will be the final update in the 7.X series though there are talks that they might bring 7.9 to Nokia phones as discussed in some Nokia blog earlier (as far as my memory can recall - I may be completely wrong too).
The 7.8 update will be delivered to all mobile phones and will bypass operators so it will be directly delivered once authorized. Hence, its my understanding that currently there is no need to try any hacks and patiently wait because as per my information and understanding based on statements by Microsoft - everyone will be getting the 7.8 update and operators will not be able to block the updates as it will be directly delivered by Microsoft to the handset

xpmymob said:
Well as far as my knowledge goes all mobiles currently having Windows 7.X will be upgraded to the latest 7.8 as and when it is launched to general public. Possibly this will be the final update in the 7.X series though there are talks that they might bring 7.9 to Nokia phones as discussed in some Nokia blog earlier (as far as my memory can recall - I may be completely wrong too).
The 7.8 update will be delivered to all mobile phones and will bypass operators so it will be directly delivered once authorized. Hence, its my understanding that currently there is no need to try any hacks and patiently wait because as per my information and understanding based on statements by Microsoft - everyone will be getting the 7.8 update and operators will not be able to block the updates as it will be directly delivered by Microsoft to the handset
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I kinda disagree. Microsoft can't really bypass operators when delivering updates, and I feel the operators will still be controlling when/how their devices will receive the updates. In short, we will have to flash the CABs ourself if we really want it right away once 7.8 is released to the general public. Then again, unbranded and completely unlocked DVPs will receive it no doubt, but those of us with Tmobile or At&t unlocked phones I believe won't.

fubag said:
I kinda disagree. Microsoft can't really bypass operators when delivering updates, and I feel the operators will still be controlling when/how their devices will receive the updates. In short, we will have to flash the CABs ourself if we really want it right away once 7.8 is released to the general public. Then again, unbranded and completely unlocked DVPs will receive it no doubt, but those of us with Tmobile or At&t unlocked phones I believe won't.
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Right on. And if TMO/ATT magically does release the 7.8 update, it'll have a hack of a time having to release all the updates before 7.8, like 7740, 8107, 8112, 8773 Tango.... it's just easier for them to ignore an ancient device like the DVP. :crying:

Still stick to my version
fubag said:
I kinda disagree. Microsoft can't really bypass operators when delivering updates, and I feel the operators will still be controlling when/how their devices will receive the updates. In short, we will have to flash the CABs ourself if we really want it right away once 7.8 is released to the general public. Then again, unbranded and completely unlocked DVPs will receive it no doubt, but those of us with Tmobile or At&t unlocked phones I believe won't.
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aleunge said:
Right on. And if TMO/ATT magically does release the 7.8 update, it'll have a hack of a time having to release all the updates before 7.8, like 7740, 8107, 8112, 8773 Tango.... it's just easier for them to ignore an ancient device like the DVP. :crying:
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I may be wrong but as far as Microsoft blog / forum posts go all users running Windows 7.X will get updated to Windows 7.8 bypassing all mobile operators. Mobile operators will have no say in this release of Microsoft and this has been discussed on various microsoft forum posts time and again that everyone will be getting the 7.8 update once its released bypassing all mobile operators and will be delivered directly by Microsoft to the mobile holder rather than via the operator. Anyone can do a quick search on bing / google Windows 7.8 Update bypass carrier

xpmymob said:
I may be wrong but as far as Microsoft blog / forum posts go all users running Windows 7.X will get updated to Windows 7.8 bypassing all mobile operators. Mobile operators will have no say in this release of Microsoft and this has been discussed on various microsoft forum posts time and again that everyone will be getting the 7.8 update once its released bypassing all mobile operators and will be delivered directly by Microsoft to the mobile holder rather than via the operator. Anyone can do a quick search on bing / google Windows 7.8 Update bypass carrier
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Trust me, yo. I really want to believe 7.8 will bypass the carriers, but there's just too much conflicting info out there in bing land and google town. I guess we'll find out soon enough (or not soon enough)! Let's hope that even if some DVPs don't get the update, peeps here will make it happen! :highfive:

ye I agree with aleunge
if I can't get the 7.8 update, I think its time to retire the DVP and move on for good ='(

I have an unbranded EU dvp. Got it from expansys when they were shifting their stock.

I disagree with the abandoning..
I just updated my 4th DVP to 8773.
My old DVP was tired and beat up.. so for $120 on ebay I got me a brand new one..
Until a QWERTY Portrait comes out for any other phone.. the DVP does about everything I need a phone to do and more.

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Dell phones 99% won't be getting 7.8
Small chance the official CAB files will be useful...

The MS 'statement' seems to imply that new firmware isn't needed for the 7.8 update. In this case, I'd be surprised if Dell blocks the 7.8 update (as it improves customer satisfaction with little or no cost to Dell).
Either way, we'll probably know the answer before too long

Bad updating experience with Samsung

Hello guys, how are you doing?
I just wanted to share with you my own opinion over how Samsung deals with updates to a Galaxy Note 10.1.
Actually, many users have reported software bugs in Galaxy Note 10.1 and Samsung confirmed many like the bug of clipboard. But the bad part is Samsung ignorance of bug fixing. It is good that we will receive 4.1.2 update with premium suite preinstalled, but it is bad that we did not receive a bug fixing package!
It has been several months since the launch of the Note 10.1 that many owners of the product started to get frustrated of the bugs. I cannot copy an article and save it as note in S Note app or share it in Facebook!
Besides, Samsung released JB 4.1.1 update to some regions, stopped then started releasing 4.1.2 in the time users still have the buggy 4.0.4 for many months in several countries, if not most! Even though 4.1.1 has stability issues, Samsung shall fix current bugs of 4.0.4 before caring to release a major 4.1.2, as this needs a quite long time by Samsung for a frustrating bug to remain!
Software is as important as hardware. I do not care for receiving a new major update with hundreds of new features, as we will receive it soon or later! But for me, a stable software with only two features is far far better than a buggy one with hundreds of cool features that I am unable to use!
Samsung used to release improvement packages and push them to their software update server for their products, but it is really strange why this is not the case for Note 10.1!
Sent from my GT-I9300 using xda app-developers app

You write that you are still on N8000XXLGA.
Sorry man, but it is your fault if you chose not to update by flashing the newest firmware.
Thanks to Samsung, Samfirmware and XDA, you have this option.
Other big companies, for example Acer, LG, will not even give you this.
So why do you not update?

tweetatoo said:
Hello guys, how are you doing?
I just wanted to share with you my own opinion over how Samsung deals with updates to a Galaxy Note 10.1.
Actually, many users have reported software bugs in Galaxy Note 10.1 and Samsung confirmed many like the bug of clipboard. But the bad part is Samsung ignorance of bug fixing. It is good that we will receive 4.1.2 update with premium suite preinstalled, but it is bad that we did not receive a bug fixing package!
It has been several months since the launch of the Note 10.1 that many owners of the product started to get frustrated of the bugs. I cannot copy an article and save it as note in S Note app or share it in Facebook!
Besides, Samsung released JB 4.1.1 update to some regions, stopped then started releasing 4.1.2 in the time users still have the buggy 4.0.4 for many months in several countries, if not most! Even though 4.1.1 has stability issues, Samsung shall fix current bugs of 4.0.4 before caring to release a major 4.1.2, as this needs a quite long time by Samsung for a frustrating bug to remain!
Software is as important as hardware. I do not care for receiving a new major update with hundreds of new features, as we will receive it soon or later! But for me, a stable software with only two features is far far better than a buggy one with hundreds of cool features that I am unable to use!
Samsung used to release improvement packages and push them to their software update server for their products, but it is really strange why this is not the case for Note 10.1!
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Agreed, I had to resort to manually flashing the German JB update to "fix" the PDF import problem on my Canadian N8010. I feel sorry for the average customer that bought the Note but doesn't know how (or even think) to flash a firmware.
This is why Samsung will remain a second-rate manufacturer of mobile devices: ineffective software QA and silly update rollout schedules.

Samsung is known for slow firmware updates, mostly due to the most customization of android in the world. Second-rate manufacturer? Not sure about that my friend. You are smart enough to Google Samsung.

This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:

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This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Likewise i fail to see why XDA Developers has so many users wanting Samsung update path posting .
First job i do is remove Kies and OTA .
jje

Riki1kenobi said:
This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Haha... so true... hehe... I like your humor...

The note isn't my first Android tablet, but it is the best that I've owned to date. My first Android tablet was an Archos 101. In addition to poor quality control that led to dead USB ports and speakers on multiple units while under warranty, the company's constant push of half-backed updates drove me and others away from that brand. You need to test code changes to make sure one "fix" doesn't break something else. Archos engineers didn't test updates thoroughly and rushed out updates that created additional issues. I quit updating that tablet. Thank goodness Samsung is more diligent. No OS is perfect and some of the things we might be unhappy with really are deliberate design features that Google incorporated into JB (or, in your case ICS). I would also suggest that you update to JB, you'll gain valuable features with the s-pen. At this point in time, I am happy with stock JB. I will probably root it soon (I wanted to use it on stock JB for a while before rooting). Eventually, I may flash one of the custom ROMs developed by the talented developers on this forum. The great thing about the popularity of Samsung products is that the popularity generates more developer interest, a big win for adventurous owners willing to root and flash.

Riki1kenobi said:
This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Having to do all that is, to me, what is required from buying a second or third-rate product. I wouldn't buy a car, for example, and be happy to expect that I need to change the spark plugs or some nonsense when I bring it home.
I mess around with R/C cars and I have in the past bought crappy cars because I enjoy tinkering and making them better, but I don't want or expect to do that with a mass market product lol.

skadebo said:
Having to do all that is, to me, what is required from buying a second or third-rate product. I wouldn't buy a car, for example, and be happy to expect that I need to change the spark plugs or some nonsense when I bring it home.
I mess around with R/C cars and I have in the past bought crappy cars because I enjoy tinkering and making them better, but I don't want or expect to do that with a mass market product lol.
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Nice analogy er, maybe not...... Thing is, no one is forcing you to update/upgrade/tinker. An update message pops up from time to time on the device and you click ok and it installs. That is as simple as it gets. That's NOT what we are talking about here though. We are talking about folks getting their flossy in a twizzie because a newer version of the OS is available and it hasn't been pushed to their device yet.
I have never seen anything written anywhere on the terms and conditions of any device I have bought that states I am entitled to get any upgrade to OR should expect to be updated to the latest software. In fact, iirc it says that on occasion an update may, yes MAY become available for the device and to either follow the onscreen instructions or visit (insert website here) for instructions on how to update.
Now to get back to the point, peeps EXPECT TO GET THE LATEST UPDATE, but they don't want to follow the instructions to do it. These instructions are usually made as simple as 1-2-3 so that even the technologically challenged can follow them. Turns out they ain't simple enough for some though and then the moaning and bleating begins, followed by the blaming. My device is stuffed, Samsung is rubbish, this cheese toastie is mouldy etc, but you never hear anyone saying, aargh fecked it up but it was my fault, I was born with two left brains or life is like a box of chocolates lieutenant Dan!
Sorry for such a long post. But I hope it helps clear things a tad

Riki1kenobi said:
Nice analogy er, maybe not...... Thing is, no one is forcing you to update/upgrade/tinker. An update message pops up from time to time on the device and you click ok and it installs. That is as simple as it gets. That's NOT what we are talking about here though. We are talking about folks getting their flossy in a twizzie because a newer version of the OS is available and it hasn't been pushed to their device yet.
I have never seen anything written anywhere on the terms and conditions of any device I have bought that states I am entitled to get any upgrade to OR should expect to be updated to the latest software. In fact, iirc it says that on occasion an update may, yes MAY become available for the device and to either follow the onscreen instructions or visit (insert website here) for instructions on how to update.
Now to get back to the point, peeps EXPECT TO GET THE LATEST UPDATE, but they don't want to follow the instructions to do it. These instructions are usually made as simple as 1-2-3 so that even the technologically challenged can follow them. Turns out they ain't simple enough for some though and then the moaning and bleating begins, followed by the blaming. My device is stuffed, Samsung is rubbish, this cheese toastie is mouldy etc, but you never hear anyone saying, aargh fecked it up but it was my fault, I was born with two left brains or life is like a box of chocolates lieutenant Dan!
Sorry for such a long post. But I hope it helps clear things a tad
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Riki1kenobi said:
This post is an argument waiting to happen.
My tuppence, IF users don't have the capacity to download 1 program (Odin) and 1 file (the updated rom) then follow a simple set of instructions, put tab in download mode by pressing 2 buttons, connecting a charger cable to the device and the computer/lapto, run Odin, run the update, then they should be buying that fruit based logo device. You know, the one designed for numpties :silly:
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Your advices are sick my friend. For me, I did flash many firmwares of other regions onto my devices. But in the same time, good may be overwhelmed by bad things. These 1-2-3 steps were sometimes helpful and other times disasterous! For example, I have flashed many firmwares before on my Galaxy S i9003, Galaxy S II i9100, and my latest Galaxy S III.
For unknown reason, my Galaxy S III got bricked and went into a boot loop. It was not a noticed hardware failure neither it was a corrupt Odin package, but for some reason, a hidden hardware failure has become obvious following the flash. Samsung has reported that the motherboard was completely damaged and that unofficial firmware flashing of different CSCs was the cause. It could be also a manufacturing error. Whatever it is, I was lucky that Samsung did not void my warranty as it was rooted at that time with the flash counter > 0.
Besides, I have more than five Samsung Galaxy devices in the house, and they look to me as their software geek!! Whenever an update is released, I cannot say always to them yes, and let me flash things to you!!!!
Besides, why am I supposed to flash the German one? For the learning hub that does not work in my country? Or for Music and Video hubs that are also forbidden in my Country?! And why does Samsung have all these software variability? Why does not they make a united software with custom configurations based on country; like Apple?! Apple used to release the update worldwide with blocking un-allowed features based on country chosen!
I love to update using OTA; AS SIMPLE AS THAT, apart from all the BLA BLA BLA you have said!!!

no one is forcing you to upgrade, after all it's your tablet and you can do whatever you want, i am still on ICS and plan to stay that way for a while because i feel personally it's stable for me and works, i don't really care about new features i will hardly use, best thing is to root and then you can decide if you want to upgrade your tablet at a later date or not, the option is still there with odin.
i too also prefer uk firmware because some features that are on the uk firmware won't specifically be on the german firmware, different regions different features.

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Besides, why am I supposed to flash the German one? For the learning hub that does not work in my country? Or for Music and Video hubs that are also forbidden in my Country?! And why does Samsung have all these software variability? Why does not they make a united software with custom configurations based on country; like Apple?! Apple used to release the update worldwide with blocking un-allowed features based on country chosen!
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i too also prefer uk firmware because some features that are on the uk firmware won't specifically be on the german firmware, different regions different features.
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Hehehe The biggest joke of all is that the UK version is INCLUDED into the German version. You just need to change csc and you have the UK firmware, not a firmware LIKE the uk firmware but THE UK firmware.
Some people just prefer to complain instead of moving a finger themselves.

Just flashed premium bugs 4.1.2... not bad so far! Well woth the upgrade from ics unless you use the gallery, as that isn't fixed!

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I love to update using OTA; AS SIMPLE AS THAT, apart from all the BLA BLA BLA you have said!!!
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Then stop being a complainawhinger then and just wait for Samsung to deliver your update to you OTA. While you're waiting for it I'll continue to try and help people wanting to update to the latest version, with my sick, but helpful advice, :good:

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Then stop being a complainawhinger then and just wait for Samsung to deliver your update to you OTA. While you're waiting for it I'll continue to try and help people wanting to update to the latest version, with my sick, but helpful advice, :good:
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haha we need more people like you Riki1kenobi... some fun but helpful post... :laugh:
people should not get easily offended over some jokes the man was just trying to help... and as JJEgan said i also can't understand why so many xda members here are waiting for ota updates... i understand that xda is the place to look for all things android but really the 1st step you should do is not rely on kies and learn some odin and flashing..
but hell we're all in one community... there are always some whiners and whatever kind of people and that just adds to the fun of being here on xda..

Riki1kenobi said:
Nice analogy er, maybe not...... Thing is, no one is forcing you to update/upgrade/tinker. An update message pops up from time to time on the device and you click ok and it installs. That is as simple as it gets. That's NOT what we are talking about here though. We are talking about folks getting their flossy in a twizzie because a newer version of the OS is available and it hasn't been pushed to their device yet.
I have never seen anything written anywhere on the terms and conditions of any device I have bought that states I am entitled to get any upgrade to OR should expect to be updated to the latest software. In fact, iirc it says that on occasion an update may, yes MAY become available for the device and to either follow the onscreen instructions or visit (insert website here) for instructions on how to update.
Now to get back to the point, peeps EXPECT TO GET THE LATEST UPDATE, but they don't want to follow the instructions to do it. These instructions are usually made as simple as 1-2-3 so that even the technologically challenged can follow them. Turns out they ain't simple enough for some though and then the moaning and bleating begins, followed by the blaming. My device is stuffed, Samsung is rubbish, this cheese toastie is mouldy etc, but you never hear anyone saying, aargh fecked it up but it was my fault, I was born with two left brains or life is like a box of chocolates lieutenant Dan!
Sorry for such a long post. But I hope it helps clear things a tad
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I absolutely, totally agree with you. People see something new and they just WANT to update, because we are consumer whores.
However, I needed to update to fix the notorious PDF import problem in S-Note (as noted in first post in this thread). Basically, if I wanted to import PDFs from school into S-Note, S-Note would crash. This only happens to specific versions of the N8010 firmware (Canada being one of them).
I don't come looking for fights etc. as a lot of people do, I just speak (sometimes shout!) the truth.

Different regions /countries have different legal requirements which I suspect is one of the big delays for some regions. If you want everything done for you (OTA) , be patient and stup reading forums lokking for the latest updateor you will never be happy.
Of course you could also encourage your government to remove some of the restrictions, but for that I think you will be waiting much longer! I for one am amazed the updates get out as quickly as they do, re-evaluating every rom in every country for legal issues has to be a very expensive nightmare. Samsung is a big international company, ignoring regional laws is not really an option.
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I have lost my hope that New Zealand will be able to get JB Update. So now after reading many threads for months I am plunging into this forum to know how I can update my machine.
My tablet
Model Number
GT-N8000
Baseband version
N8000XXALI3
Android version
4.0.4
1. Please suggest me which firmware is going to be suitable for my tablet
2. If tomorrow NZ firmware is released and I be able to flash it manually will it be back to normal for OTA upgrades ?
Thanks

l. Put German Jellybean
2. Yes
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