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HTC Update in 10 Days

Vonn over at Android Community Forums just posted that they got an email from HTC Customer Care saying that there will be an update in the very near future.
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Lots of people will probably be interested in this. It was mailed to me today from HTC Customer Care and comes from HTC Head Office.
"HTC is actively working on a software update that will make your experience on your Hero device better. A partial software update is ready in 10 days and a major release will be available in mid September containing local language support.. Please check our website from time to time and update your device when the software is available"
Customer Care don't know exactly what will be contained in the update though so keep an eye on the site.
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Cool.
Lets hope the telco's have betas and are testing to allow for us branded Hero users to take advantage of this.

Normally branded phones have their own software, at least my htc diamond did. The website didn't accept my serial code, instead I had to go to the vodafone site to download the official vodafone rom.
Flashing it to a manufacturer rom (for example normal htc-rom) would screw up my warranty through vodafone (but I heard you would get warranty through htc)
So don't just flash, read before you do that

Stafflover said:
Normally branded phones have their own software, at least my htc diamond did. The website didn't accept my serial code, instead I had to go to the vodafone site to download the official vodafone rom.
Flashing it to a manufacturer rom (for example normal htc-rom) would screw up my warranty through vodafone (but I heard you would get warranty through htc)
So don't just flash, read before you do that
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That's good advice. Be warned, people!

Assuming you still had access, you could just flash it back, no?

Excellent news

Makes a change for HTC normally they wait for the guys on this forum to release updates for them. They must be keen to make sure they get the android market share.

Brilliant!

Excellent!!!

Great!
Can someone enlighten me as to how these updates (especially the "major" update in September) work? Do we completely reflash the entire rom? Will this erase our settings, personal data such as smses and downloaded apps? And will it bring the phone back to being unrooted?
Thanks

It will almost certainly wipe your phone but thanks to the fact that so much is stored on Google's servers and the SD card, I didn't find wiping my Hero was actually too bad. Certainly I was up and running again with far less hassle than my Touch Pro...

It will be interesting to see what improvements HTC can put together and what user issues they resolve with it.

Well, I certainly hope this is the case but the guy I spoke with today at HTC customer service in Sweden gave me quite the opposite impression. He told me no major fw-updates were planned, only minor fixes but no dates were set.
Hopefully, he's not up to speed

he's not, my email from HTC came this evening saying 10 days first, September second, i asked because i hope firmware update will take care of the led issue

Good just in time for the US release. Can't wait to hear what they manage to do.

Aridon said:
Good just in time for the US release. Can't wait to hear what they manage to do.
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So that's why they are doing a firmware update for the US market. Couldn't understand why they were so keen yo get an update out.

suisen said:
he's not, my email from HTC came this evening saying 10 days first, September second, i asked because i hope firmware update will take care of the led issue
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re the leds that will be interesting as my hero has been sent back to HTC for this very reason. When i spoke to customer support they said there was no record of the led issue being reported

Not having LED issues here so I hope the update addresses the UI lag with some performance enhancements.

To be honest, I'm hopeful but not optimistic. Heard all the 'new release in ten days' bollocks from HTC when I had the absolute disaster that was my Kaiser, and never got anything from them then. I hope they've changed...

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It will almost certainly wipe your phone but thanks to the fact that so much is stored on Google's servers and the SD card, I didn't find wiping my Hero was actually too bad. Certainly I was up and running again with far less hassle than my Touch Pro...
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Not necessarily. If you're moving from one major build to another, e.g. T-Mobile US to T-Mobile UK ROM, or T-Mobile to Rogers ROM, then yes, you will probably need to wipe. My experience with the 'official' ROMs is that they never require a wipe and are designed to be so.

chevron unlock mess up official at&t updates?

I have a hd2/hd7 & decided to get a Samsung focus. I just read of pocketnow.com that Microsoft is saying all the people that did nodo un official will be stuck not able to update passed nodo. My question is can I unlock my focus & wait for the official at&t update without worrying about messing my phone up for updates?

it worked fine for me.

@Freddy2Fred what do you mean? My concern is if I unlock my focus when I get it & also install the re-unlock so when I update to nodo will it effect my future updates?
This is what the article says on pocketnow......
"Monday the ChevronWP7.Updater brought the ability to update Windows Phones to the latest build for all those who lost their patience in waiting for the update notification.
A lot has happened since then: the blog post of Chris Walsh no longer has a valid link to the ChevronWP7.Updater -- as in it was pulled! You might have a déjà-vu as the ChevronWP7 unlocker used to jailbreak smartphones was also pulled as the team was in talks with Redmond.
Apparently, Microsoft warns users related to the usage of the ChevronWP7.Updater as it allegedly will put an end to the smartphone's ability in receiving future updates. According to Redmond, re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM would be the only solution to revert from the situation created.
Since Windows Phone 7 stock ROMs aren't available officially the way we got used to them being on manufacturer's websites back in the days of Windows Mobile, you can either stick with NoDO forever or send it back to the factory? What do you think about such an alleged stance?"

Relax... The report doesn't say for sure. It states Microsoft hasn't tested the Chevron Updater and warns its a possibility. HTC phones that used the Chevron Updater reported receiving additional updates almost immediately through Zune for HTC firmware. Regardless, I'm sure the coders like Chevron team and XDA members will provide updates for our current hardware long after Microsoft and the Carriers stopped in order for us to buy new hardware...

djc said:
I have a hd2/hd7 & decided to get a Samsung focus. I just read of pocketnow.com that Microsoft is saying all the people that did nodo un official will be stuck not able to update passed nodo. My question is can I unlock my focus & wait for the official at&t update without worrying about messing my phone up for updates?
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There's an AT&T update? I haven't seen one thing from them and at this point I'd be surprised if I ever do so I wouldn't be too worried.

Relax
If you read the article you will see that "might" is used three times in the second paragraph of the quote and "possible" used in the third paragraph. As it was being published, many users who had updated through the updater were receiving Zune update notices and re-updating with no problems.

Thanks for the answers everyone. The only thing I want to do is unlock it, apply the un-relock so I can sideload when needed & have my custom ringtone/sms. I will still wait for the official update still because of this article so I don't have to update then re-update in a months time.
"Now that the ChevronWP7 Updater tool is out, letting you force NoDo onto the Windows Phone 7 handset of your choice, there's nothing else we're still waiting around for, right? Well, not quite. While this shortcut may get you copy-and-paste, there are still non-NoDo related updates coming down the pipeline. Chris Walsh, ChevronWP7 team member and creator of that update tool, has tweeted word that there's a Samsung Focus-specific update in the works, including some bug fixes.
Walsh implies that they'll be several bugs targeted, but the only one he singles out deals with Bluetooth support. We've seen reports of users running into garbled sound and volume swings with devices connected to the Focus, so this may be the fix Walsh mentions."
With this update supposed to land "really really soon", it's likely that AT&T could push it out at the same time it gets around to releasing NoDo for its users who have decided to wait for an official channel, almost certainly later this month. If you have a Focus and have been considering the universal update hack, you may want to hold off, as you're just going to have to revert it in order to install this bugfix update.

You know what this shows? It shows that if AT&T weren't sitting on their hands keeping silent then people wouldn't get so antsy to get the update. If they came out and said "we're testing it and you'll receive it within <blah-blah> amount of time," which wasn't the case, then people wouldn't have had to resort to finding ways of getting the update. As it stands, there may never be a day this year or any year that we'll see an update from AT&T.
There may be bug fixes being made by MS, but will AT&T release it? Not over their dead, greedy hands. They'd rather you buy a new phone than run the risk of having their support people actually do their jobs.

I really hope this stuff gets organized soon to where we get straight updates from Microsoft for each phone itself. Do yall think the focus will be the only one that will have expandable memory? That seems to been a worse idea lol I'm going to keep my focus with the memory it comes with. I really want to stick with wp7 but I hope its not a slap in the face lol

Revert????
djc said:
Thanks for the answers everyone. The only thing I want to do is unlock it, apply the un-relock so I can sideload when needed & have my custom ringtone/sms. I will still wait for the official update still because of this article so I don't have to update then re-update in a months time.
"Now that the ChevronWP7 Updater tool is out, letting you force NoDo onto the Windows Phone 7 handset of your choice, there's nothing else we're still waiting around for, right? Well, not quite. While this shortcut may get you copy-and-paste, there are still non-NoDo related updates coming down the pipeline. Chris Walsh, ChevronWP7 team member and creator of that update tool, has tweeted word that there's a Samsung Focus-specific update in the works, including some bug fixes.
Walsh implies that they'll be several bugs targeted, but the only one he singles out deals with Bluetooth support. We've seen reports of users running into garbled sound and volume swings with devices connected to the Focus, so this may be the fix Walsh mentions."
With this update supposed to land "really really soon", it's likely that AT&T could push it out at the same time it gets around to releasing NoDo for its users who have decided to wait for an official channel, almost certainly later this month. If you have a Focus and have been considering the universal update hack, you may want to hold off, as you're just going to have to revert it in order to install this bugfix update.
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There is no evidence anywhere that you will have to revert anything. Reading other threads and blogs, users in other countries are getting their full updates, including firmware fixes, after using the Chevron Updater to install the update. The new update installs just fine over the hacked update. Others are reporting getting just a firmware update. We really need to see how this plays out but no one knows what will happen and people who are receiving updates after using the hack are reporting positive results. It's amazing that they get the official update and can install it even though their phone is reporting 7390.

Dell venue pro with 7661.WP_5_Trail

I just installed the beta 2 for the developers what is published today on my dell venue pro and I wanted to share my first impressions with the community. I will update this thread with my findings (positive or negative).
First some history:
I bought the phone in the US beginning of January. I live in Europe, Spain and I have my phone developer unlocked. So now you know where my phone came its maybe comparable for some of you here in the forums.
After update my phone have the following software specs:
DVP 8Gb model upgraded to 16gb
OS: 7661.WP7_6_Trial (mojobld).20110607-1657
Firmware: 2250.1500.7004.105
Hardware rev. 112.576.2.0
Radio software: 2.2.5.15
Radio hardware: 8250
Bootloader: 7.27.1.0
After update:
I noticed that the phone contained all my data, installed programs telephone numbers ect. what I didn't expect after doing any flash.
Positive points:
- Reaction speed is much better then NODO
- Stable OS (BETA 2 is mostly stable)
- The new functionality of course.
Negative point
- I noticed that background programs like eg. 4th and mayor are closing down out of them self. I'm not sure if multi-tasking is fully implemented.
- Some times I have a white glim's if I start an app in the overlay
Still need to try
- I have the feeling the software for the phone is indeed better but need some more testing.
- Somehow get a benchmark program to see if the performance is really better.
- I think the battery is also better but i'm not sure yet.
Maybe people who have access to the beta can also share their experience. I can confirm the BETA will not brick our phones
Here you can download the beta. There is a manual to install without dev unlocked device!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1149265

Ah..You beat me to it... I too just installed it and its awesome first impressions. Its super buttery smooth and fast. I installed my update on the FW beta testing unit.
So the FW is 212 and rest all the same for mango.
Takeaway: DVP will get the Mango update and it works.
I will report back with more info.

notebookgrail said:
Ah..You beat me to it... I too just installed it and its awesome first impressions. Its super buttery smooth and fast. I installed my update on the FW beta testing unit.
So the FW is 212 and rest all the same for mango.
Takeaway: DVP will get the Mango update and it works.
I will report back with more info.
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both of you beat me jerks! j/k
update ran smooth on both the firmware updated and non updated devices. The experience is fantastic. There is no question of that. Mango is a demon
I need to test on the old f/w but users let me say this. New update + mango == you may think you are in mobile heaven
It's really funny that the devices are using 2 year old tech for all intents and purposes and it is outperforming android by leaps and bounds!
I should do a benchmark

can we update to Mango beta first, then only upgrade the firmware when it comes out? or is it better to wait until the firmware update is applied before installing Mango beta?

synergeia said:
can we update to Mango beta first, then only upgrade the firmware when it comes out? or is it better to wait until the firmware update is applied before installing Mango beta?
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If you don't have a spare device, i would recommend waiting it out for the FW to come and then update to Mango beta. All sources info lead to FW only update and no OS level update - still i would be cautious..becos you don't want the Mango experience to be ruined by the wifi crash.

Firmware and BetaMango?
Ok guys my phone is a junk right now mostly lockups and phone issues. Any help with finding downloading and installing the FW along with Mango? I would be very thankful.......

Didn't I tell ya. Mango rocks on the Dell.
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alodar1 said:
Didn't I tell ya. Mango rocks on the Dell.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App
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totally rocking on the dvp! easily now the best windows phone

domineus said:
totally rocking on the dvp! easily now the best windows phone
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all for the want of a tiny little fix....thanks for the drama Dell

alodar1 said:
all for the want of a tiny little fix....thanks for the drama Dell
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And shot themselves for this long and got their image tarnished (if not already).

notebookgrail said:
And shot themselves for this long and got their image tarnished (if not already).
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For sure. People are looking for 32GB WP7 phones but the Dell is not mentioned despite being the first OEM to ship legit 32GB devices. They would have been second only to Samsung IMO for best WP7 device. Should have got on top of the issues we reported faster letting positive word of mouth spread and capitalised on the form factor but I have to say, they seemed strangely uninterested in actually making an impact (even with the Venue android version). And the resulting bad rep is now really affecting their perception. Sad.

Without question...
What remains to be see is if they can do something to regain a lot of what they lost. I think if they make the concessions right they can convince a lot of customers to talk highly of Dell and that would go a long way.
If they just drop the firmware and continue as if nothing happened then the last memory they will have in many people's minds is the failed DVP start and that can sag their reputation for a LONG time. Ford comes to mind in that regard...

Back to Topic - One good thing with DVP and Mango compared to other devices:
Since DVP never had much homebrew action due to it not exposing API's as other vendors, it became a good thing with Mango. The reason is now Homebrew apps are either killed or don't work with Mango beta. I feel sad for HTC folks I am sure they will resurrect.

But the approved homebrew solution from chevronlabs should remedy that, right? BTW what is the best thing about Mango in everyday use?

efjay said:
But the approved homebrew solution from chevronlabs should remedy that, right? BTW what is the best thing about Mango in everyday use?
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I hope Chevron comes to rescue.
Linked Inbox, Chat (Messaging), improved Contacts Live tile (with who commented on FB status) and better people hub (groups - i dont want to Swift tons of Vendor garbage in FB.) - so far.

notebookgrail said:
I hope Chevron comes to rescue.
Linked Inbox, Chat (Messaging), improved Contacts Live tile (with who commented on FB status) and better people hub (groups - i dont want to Swift tons of Vendor garbage in FB.) - so far.
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Can you view videos in facebook feeds, and is youtube support better?

Guys, I get no more blurry pictures from my DVP, and that's without the updated firmware... Loving juicy mango.

omaropa said:
Guys, I get no more blurry pictures from my DVP, and that's without the updated firmware... Loving juicy mango.
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autofix

efjay said:
Can you view videos in facebook feeds, and is youtube support better?
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Its the same as before. Still you need to click watch video.

One thing i am noticing with Mango is if one uses the full Mango experience, the battery will be drained in 1/2 day. I used my phone the same way as i would+Mango and it drained in 8 hrs. Pre-Mango, i used to get 15 hrs.

[Q] Future Updates?

Now that HTC Surround is a discountinued model, what chance do you think that we'll ever see updates from WP7 7.10.7720? Given that HTC and the orriginal carrier (in my case, Telus) control the relase of updates, why would they bother testing anyhting new on the Surround?
Are we stuck on 7720 for ever?

Don't think so. Regardless of the device status, Microsoft is still interested in providing a positive user experience and will do what's necessary to make sure relevant updates get pushed through. OEM firmware updates are also a possibility. Things like the dissapearing keyboard will get fixed.
While this is all speculation, all devices should continue to receive support/updates for at least 21-24 months from date of release, or the length of a typical (2 year) contract. At some point the hardware will not have the capability to support new features, but that's to be expected.

Let's hope you're right

the latest is 8779 but still couldnt find any free download on it so i just found 8773 which is the 2nd latest probably.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1685058

At&t Update coming.....
On their site said that an update for Windows Phone 7 and 7.5 phones it's coming, and the Surround is listed so here's hope I think
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB117823#fbid=K3TISJ0o9c9

Buying factory installed Mango DVP

Hello all, after reading through all the frustrating problems with the mango update, I had lost hope in buying this. But now Dell sells factory installed Mango devices. Will it be any differentthan the ones you guys have?.
Maybe those gkitches have been solved?. I will await for your much valuable advice.

chaihg said:
Hello all, after reading through all the frustrating problems with the mango update, I had lost hope in buying this. But now Dell sells factory installed Mango devices. Will it be any differentthan the ones you guys have?.
Maybe those gkitches have been solved?. I will await for your much valuable advice.
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the one i bought right before xmas came with 7395. it updated to mango without problem though.

Just plug in your phone and update. The hickups you are reading are from people that have installed custom roms for the most part.

MJCS said:
Just plug in your phone and update. The hickups you are reading are from people that have installed custom roms for the most part.
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the one i bought right before xmas came with 7395. it updated to mango without problem though.
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Is that so? I thought the Mango update broke the compass and wifi. I thought that buying a pre-installed Mango device would most probably be tested or rectified than the earlier builds which came with Win7.
If that is not the case and if upgrading to Mango via Zune is good enough then I am buying it now. Right now.
Am I right in my assumption?

Mango didnt break the compass Dell did.

The non-functioning compass is not at the fault of Microsoft or the 7.5 update. Dell did that, for various reasons I'd rather not repeat due to profanity restrictions.
I bought mine around June of 2011, didn't come with 7.5 on it, but when the update started rolling out, I didn't feel like waiting and forced Zune to apply the update to my phone.
It went smoothly for the most part(my computer restarted a few times during the update process, but that's probably a problem related to my particular hardware.), and the phone has been running smoothly for the most part. I've only had to pull the battery twice out of the couple of months that I've had the update installed. Apparently there are compass issues, but I've never really had to use the compass in any app, most navigation apps (I use the standard Maps and GMaps Pro) seem to work just fine without it.
You'll love the phone, definitely won't be something you regret buying, in my opinion. But with the newest round of WP7.5 devices coming around, you might want to stick it out a bit more and see if you can get something a little more worth your money.

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The non-functioning compass is not at the fault of Microsoft or the 7.5 update. Dell did that, for various reasons I'd rather not repeat due to profanity restrictions.
I bought mine around June of 2011, didn't come with 7.5 on it, but when the update started rolling out, I didn't feel like waiting and forced Zune to apply the update to my phone.
It went smoothly for the most part(my computer restarted a few times during the update process, but that's probably a problem related to my particular hardware.), and the phone has been running smoothly for the most part. I've only had to pull the battery twice out of the couple of months that I've had the update installed. Apparently there are compass issues, but I've never really had to use the compass in any app, most navigation apps (I use the standard Maps and GMaps Pro) seem to work just fine without it.
You'll love the phone, definitely won't be something you regret buying, in my opinion. But with the newest round of WP7.5 devices coming around, you might want to stick it out a bit more and see if you can get something a little more worth your money.
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Thats a fantastic piece of advice. Even though Lumia is available for cheap in part of europe I come from, I want to relish the physical keyboard in DVP hence am contemplating. I almost went to the extent of clicking the BUY IT NOW on eBay and then figured I will talk some gurus here.
This will be my first Windows Phone and hence I will spend less money and buy a DVP. Let me see for 6months to what Nokia has in store for us. 170euros for 6months is pretty good value for money.
If anybody else has a piece of cake to share with me, please do so.

I'm also new to Windows Phone 7 and my first WP7 phone is a Dell Venue Pro. I was also reluctant in buying the DVP because I read several user reviews that the hardware is extremely buggy, but after taking time to read Endgadget reviews and other reputable (sorry I can't give you a link) authors, I bought a DVP. So far, I've been more than content with the phone, and let me tell you: the physical keyboard is amazing and the operating system is amazing (and this is coming from an Apple disciple..hehehe).
My only complaint is that the new Mango update has power problems, whenever I drain my phone's battery, it wouldn't boot - hell it wouldn't even charge. The only solution I've found is to take out the battery, turn the phone on (yes, without the battery), once you see the Dell logo put the battery back and the phone will now boot, then charge it. Or just make sure you don't drain the DVP's battery.
Also, I don't really like the Windows Phone 7 Connector for Mac. I just wish Microsoft would give us Mac users a native Zune software...oh well..hehehe...
But all in all, I would recommend the Dell Venue Pro, it's an amazing piece of technology - very sleek and definitely a head turner.

Ok then. I decided I will buy a DVP and use it for 6months and then change over to second generation devices.
It is still a tough choice considering that DVP sells for 220euros brand new while newly released Omnia W with super amoled and front facing camera costs 290euros