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I don't own this phone yet, but I have a question about OTA updates:
who releases them? the carrier, the phone manufacturer or google?
My problem is that I'd like to know if buying this phone (or any other android based phone) now will let me uses future versions of google android.
yelo3 said:
I don't own this phone yet, but I have a question about OTA updates:
who releases them? the carrier, the phone manufacturer or google?
My problem is that I'd like to know if buying this phone (or any other android based phone) now will let me uses future versions of google android.
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OTA Updates are provided by Carrier or Google & not Manufacturer in case of HTC, HTC has said, they will be providing Updates In an different way like they provide to Other HTC Devices...
OTA updates are most likely 40-60 Mb...
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thanks for the quick answer. Now I'm starting to better understand, and I will ask you another things:
- can OTA updates move from 1.5 to 2.0 (and so on) when it will be released?
- how can I get OTA updates directly from google and not from the carrier?
(I don't think that carriers will keep releasing updates for old phones. I'd like to keep the phone for at least 3 years, while always having the latest software version)
yelo3 said:
thanks for the quick answer. Now I'm starting to better understand, and I will ask you another things:
- can OTA updates move from 1.5 to 2.0 (and so on) when it will be released?
- how can I get OTA updates directly from google and not from the carrier?
(I don't think that carriers will keep releasing updates for old phones. I'd like to keep the phone for at least 3 years, while always having the latest software version)
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You can get OTA updates to any software version. When 2.0 is released, it will most likely be pushed OTA. As far as 2.0 (Donut), its release date has not been announced, but some are expecting it 2H2009, most likely 4Q.
Who you receive your OTA updates from depends on who you purchased your device from (or, which ROM you're running). Google pushes OTA updates to their developer ROMs. T-Mobile pushes updates to their retail devices. &c. Also, not all devices/carriers/updates run on the same cycle. T-Mobile UK received the 1.5 (Cupcake) update about 2 weeks before T-Mobile US did, and both of those pushed updates were after the ADP OTA update.
I'm running the Daldroid ROM (in South Africa on Vodacom (Vodafone))
Is there any way to figure out whether the ROM is configured to get OTA updates? and/or which servers it's trying to get them from?
J.
So I have to trust my carrier, and to hope that he won't stop releasing OTA updates after, say for example, 1 year.
I can't really understand why this thing works in this way: in computers updates are deployed by the program company, not the manufacturer.
So I have to trust my carrier, and to hope that he won't stop releasing OTA updates after, say for example, 1 year.
I can't really understand why this thing works in this way: in computers updates are deployed by the program company, not the manufacturer.
I have a hd2/hd7 & decided to get a Samsung focus. I just read of pocketnow.com that Microsoft is saying all the people that did nodo un official will be stuck not able to update passed nodo. My question is can I unlock my focus & wait for the official at&t update without worrying about messing my phone up for updates?
it worked fine for me.
@Freddy2Fred what do you mean? My concern is if I unlock my focus when I get it & also install the re-unlock so when I update to nodo will it effect my future updates?
This is what the article says on pocketnow......
"Monday the ChevronWP7.Updater brought the ability to update Windows Phones to the latest build for all those who lost their patience in waiting for the update notification.
A lot has happened since then: the blog post of Chris Walsh no longer has a valid link to the ChevronWP7.Updater -- as in it was pulled! You might have a déjà-vu as the ChevronWP7 unlocker used to jailbreak smartphones was also pulled as the team was in talks with Redmond.
Apparently, Microsoft warns users related to the usage of the ChevronWP7.Updater as it allegedly will put an end to the smartphone's ability in receiving future updates. According to Redmond, re-flashing the device with an original stock ROM would be the only solution to revert from the situation created.
Since Windows Phone 7 stock ROMs aren't available officially the way we got used to them being on manufacturer's websites back in the days of Windows Mobile, you can either stick with NoDO forever or send it back to the factory? What do you think about such an alleged stance?"
Relax... The report doesn't say for sure. It states Microsoft hasn't tested the Chevron Updater and warns its a possibility. HTC phones that used the Chevron Updater reported receiving additional updates almost immediately through Zune for HTC firmware. Regardless, I'm sure the coders like Chevron team and XDA members will provide updates for our current hardware long after Microsoft and the Carriers stopped in order for us to buy new hardware...
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I have a hd2/hd7 & decided to get a Samsung focus. I just read of pocketnow.com that Microsoft is saying all the people that did nodo un official will be stuck not able to update passed nodo. My question is can I unlock my focus & wait for the official at&t update without worrying about messing my phone up for updates?
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There's an AT&T update? I haven't seen one thing from them and at this point I'd be surprised if I ever do so I wouldn't be too worried.
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If you read the article you will see that "might" is used three times in the second paragraph of the quote and "possible" used in the third paragraph. As it was being published, many users who had updated through the updater were receiving Zune update notices and re-updating with no problems.
Thanks for the answers everyone. The only thing I want to do is unlock it, apply the un-relock so I can sideload when needed & have my custom ringtone/sms. I will still wait for the official update still because of this article so I don't have to update then re-update in a months time.
"Now that the ChevronWP7 Updater tool is out, letting you force NoDo onto the Windows Phone 7 handset of your choice, there's nothing else we're still waiting around for, right? Well, not quite. While this shortcut may get you copy-and-paste, there are still non-NoDo related updates coming down the pipeline. Chris Walsh, ChevronWP7 team member and creator of that update tool, has tweeted word that there's a Samsung Focus-specific update in the works, including some bug fixes.
Walsh implies that they'll be several bugs targeted, but the only one he singles out deals with Bluetooth support. We've seen reports of users running into garbled sound and volume swings with devices connected to the Focus, so this may be the fix Walsh mentions."
With this update supposed to land "really really soon", it's likely that AT&T could push it out at the same time it gets around to releasing NoDo for its users who have decided to wait for an official channel, almost certainly later this month. If you have a Focus and have been considering the universal update hack, you may want to hold off, as you're just going to have to revert it in order to install this bugfix update.
You know what this shows? It shows that if AT&T weren't sitting on their hands keeping silent then people wouldn't get so antsy to get the update. If they came out and said "we're testing it and you'll receive it within <blah-blah> amount of time," which wasn't the case, then people wouldn't have had to resort to finding ways of getting the update. As it stands, there may never be a day this year or any year that we'll see an update from AT&T.
There may be bug fixes being made by MS, but will AT&T release it? Not over their dead, greedy hands. They'd rather you buy a new phone than run the risk of having their support people actually do their jobs.
I really hope this stuff gets organized soon to where we get straight updates from Microsoft for each phone itself. Do yall think the focus will be the only one that will have expandable memory? That seems to been a worse idea lol I'm going to keep my focus with the memory it comes with. I really want to stick with wp7 but I hope its not a slap in the face lol
Revert????
djc said:
Thanks for the answers everyone. The only thing I want to do is unlock it, apply the un-relock so I can sideload when needed & have my custom ringtone/sms. I will still wait for the official update still because of this article so I don't have to update then re-update in a months time.
"Now that the ChevronWP7 Updater tool is out, letting you force NoDo onto the Windows Phone 7 handset of your choice, there's nothing else we're still waiting around for, right? Well, not quite. While this shortcut may get you copy-and-paste, there are still non-NoDo related updates coming down the pipeline. Chris Walsh, ChevronWP7 team member and creator of that update tool, has tweeted word that there's a Samsung Focus-specific update in the works, including some bug fixes.
Walsh implies that they'll be several bugs targeted, but the only one he singles out deals with Bluetooth support. We've seen reports of users running into garbled sound and volume swings with devices connected to the Focus, so this may be the fix Walsh mentions."
With this update supposed to land "really really soon", it's likely that AT&T could push it out at the same time it gets around to releasing NoDo for its users who have decided to wait for an official channel, almost certainly later this month. If you have a Focus and have been considering the universal update hack, you may want to hold off, as you're just going to have to revert it in order to install this bugfix update.
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There is no evidence anywhere that you will have to revert anything. Reading other threads and blogs, users in other countries are getting their full updates, including firmware fixes, after using the Chevron Updater to install the update. The new update installs just fine over the hacked update. Others are reporting getting just a firmware update. We really need to see how this plays out but no one knows what will happen and people who are receiving updates after using the hack are reporting positive results. It's amazing that they get the official update and can install it even though their phone is reporting 7390.
First off can it be done and Is it worth doing a manual 8107 update to a Venue Pro?
I have an unlocked Tmobile version from NewEgg. I think its at 7720. I been reading if your going to do this you need to go to 7740 then to 8107 and then install the English language pack.
I guess the bottom line is if its worth it to do this?
I have, and here are my detailed instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497142
It was worthwhile for me, if only for the psychological reassurance that I wasn't being left behind in OS updates because of some idiots at T-Mobile (when, like you, I thought I had purchased an "unlocked" device, true in only one sense of the word). You'll probably need to use the same method to move up to the Tango OS update when it drops, so might as well get started now, eh?
Sent from my Venue Pro
How about Tango?
Someone in another forum thinks that a Tango update might be coming in a month so he not doing a manual update so that when they do send a update it will be automatic. He is not sure if you do the 8107 manually on a phone that would happen. Any thoughts?
No idea, but it certainly seems possible to do a factory reset back to old firmware if that's the case. From what I've read, you can smoothly step back into carrier/Zune updates as long as you've kept the languages consistent and updated through cab-sender.
Also, once Tango is available, I bet we can use cab-sender to get it rather than wait for T-mo or AT&T, right?
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i did mines sometime ago it works well
Well, this is my story. Once I did de update and everything went just fine... Until the next day! The phone started to be "laggy" but for short periods of time (about ten seconds or something) and then it became back to normal! I dont know if that had happened to some else!
Aside from the fix for the so-called "disappearing keyboard" bug, are there any other improvements we should want in 8107?
Considering that the DVP was the last phone to get the Mango update, and considering that Dell seems to have given up on phones altogether, I wouldn't expect regular updates. Unless someone knows something different.
News just got out today it was released for the Lumia 710,800, and 900(?) .
I remember Nokia announcing they added extra features to their updates (and this is through Navifirm which I guess is Nokia's exclusive update tool).
Anyway my point is, is it possible to extract a CAB out of the Nokia updates somehow and flash it to our devices, or is this not a generic CAB and instead manufacturer heavily tweaked so my question is retarded?
Lol
Thanks!
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News just got out today it was released for the Lumia 710,800, and 900(?) .
I remember Nokia announcing they added extra features to their updates (and this is through Navifirm which I guess is Nokia's exclusive update tool).
Anyway my point is, is it possible to extract a CAB out of the Nokia updates somehow and flash it to our devices, or is this not a generic CAB and instead manufacturer heavily tweaked so my question is retarded?
Lol
Thanks!
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Aside from firmware updates, the previous cabs when using cab sender do seem to be generic for WP devices (I did a DIY post on updating to tango before and those cabs were from another listing for all WP phones). We would need to find out the addresses for the 7.8 cabs but is there something different with the 7.8 update process? I thought I read somewhere it's a bit different..
aleunge said:
Aside from firmware updates, the previous cabs when using cab sender do seem to be generic for WP devices (I did a DIY post on updating to tango before and those cabs were from another listing for all WP phones). We would need to find out the addresses for the 7.8 cabs but is there something different with the 7.8 update process? I thought I read somewhere it's a bit different..
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ya, i think we would have to wait until the non-Nokia devices receive the 7.8 upgrade since the Nokia cabs are bundled with nokia updates as well...so this is disappointing...
also from what I heard, our devices will never receive the update officially through the Zune program update process or receive notifications for an update...i.e. we will have to force the generic cab update like some of us did for Tango
this device has officially reached its end I guess...time to move on?
fubag said:
ya, i think we would have to wait until the non-Nokia devices receive the 7.8 upgrade since the Nokia cabs are bundled with nokia updates as well...so this is disappointing...
also from what I heard, our devices will never receive the update officially through the Zune program update process or receive notifications for an update...i.e. we will have to force the generic cab update like some of us did for Tango
this device has officially reached its end I guess...time to move on?
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I think if you've got a Dell factory unlocked DVP, you might have a chance for Zune 7.8 update as those phones have always gotten WP update notifications and updates through Zune, all the way up to Tango. But if you've got a TMO or ATT DVP (doesn't matter if you unlock), yeah, cab sender is the only way starting from 7740 (up to 7.8 now probably). We can blame TMO and ATT for that. :crying:
If someone ever captured the 00EU/00US bundles, we could likely turn all 31(att)/33(tmo) vps into unbranded ones.
But there's only ever 1 guy for every million or 2 updaters that bothers to capture urls, and we likely dont have enough people to bother capturing the urls
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If someone ever captured the 00EU/00US bundles, we could likely turn all 31(att)/33(tmo) vps into unbranded ones.
But there's only ever 1 guy for every million or 2 updaters that bothers to capture urls, and we likely dont have enough people to bother capturing the urls
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I have an unbranded DVP, if you tell me how to capture URL, I will as soon as I get an update. Im on 8773.98 now, officially update through zune.
TheManii said:
If someone ever captured the 00EU/00US bundles, we could likely turn all 31(att)/33(tmo) vps into unbranded ones.
But there's only ever 1 guy for every million or 2 updaters that bothers to capture urls, and we likely dont have enough people to bother capturing the urls
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+1 for capturing URLs. If I get an unbranded DVP in hand again, I'll do.
As for converting to unbranded DVPs, doesn't zune update check IMEI for updates though? That's how they're limiting the lumia 7.8 updates right now to preproduction/dev devices?
ya, i actually kept my replacement device and never sent my unbranded one back! LOL so I could capture URL's on my other one when it gets out too...sucks because my replacement is the TMO-unlocked one. =(
fubag said:
News just got out today it was released for the Lumia 710,800, and 900(?) .
I remember Nokia announcing they added extra features to their updates (and this is through Navifirm which I guess is Nokia's exclusive update tool).
Anyway my point is, is it possible to extract a CAB out of the Nokia updates somehow and flash it to our devices, or is this not a generic CAB and instead manufacturer heavily tweaked so my question is retarded?
Lol
Thanks!
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what i found:
Posted by DELL-NIKHIL M
replied on29 Nov 2012 7:02 AM
Hi trobin7,
Microsoft has officially not provided the release date. It is rumored to be early 2013.
Once Microsoft launches the release date Dell will let everyone know if Windows 7.8 update will be available for venue pro.
Please get back to us for further information.
Thanks and Regards,
Nikhil M
#iworkfordell
but it would be great to have such a "early solution" like for 7.5
some devs working on a custom 7.8 right now but it is still in an very early development stage - they still trying to find an unbrick and update solution with and without j-tag devices
To anyone willing to capture urls: you require a device that is already on the unbranded configuration (ie a 00US/00EU device, which is unbranded), and the device has to have a firmware bundle update available. (ie the device specific drivers)
The easiest way is to restore to a pre-mango update and reupdate and grab the urls. Otherwise we will simply have to hope that dell releases an update for WP7.8.
We dont know if 7.8 requires a new bundle to work, or if the mango ones will simply work (tango didnt require any new firmware bundles, you can install tango on a device that already had mango without dell releasing anything)
Just as much, i need someone very brave to attempt to flash either the at&t one on a tmo device, or the reverse.
I only assume it will work, I definitely cannot say with certianty that it will even work, or even that it wont brick the device
I would recommend someone that already has used the tmo ffu before to attempt to flash the att firmware bundle on top of a tmo device and see what happens.
You should hypothetically be able to unbrick/restore to tmo afterwards.
If it does, we can simply move devices into being unbranded as if any VP were to get 7.8, it would be the unbranded ones first.
Well as far as my knowledge goes all mobiles currently having Windows 7.X will be upgraded to the latest 7.8 as and when it is launched to general public. Possibly this will be the final update in the 7.X series though there are talks that they might bring 7.9 to Nokia phones as discussed in some Nokia blog earlier (as far as my memory can recall - I may be completely wrong too).
The 7.8 update will be delivered to all mobile phones and will bypass operators so it will be directly delivered once authorized. Hence, its my understanding that currently there is no need to try any hacks and patiently wait because as per my information and understanding based on statements by Microsoft - everyone will be getting the 7.8 update and operators will not be able to block the updates as it will be directly delivered by Microsoft to the handset
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Well as far as my knowledge goes all mobiles currently having Windows 7.X will be upgraded to the latest 7.8 as and when it is launched to general public. Possibly this will be the final update in the 7.X series though there are talks that they might bring 7.9 to Nokia phones as discussed in some Nokia blog earlier (as far as my memory can recall - I may be completely wrong too).
The 7.8 update will be delivered to all mobile phones and will bypass operators so it will be directly delivered once authorized. Hence, its my understanding that currently there is no need to try any hacks and patiently wait because as per my information and understanding based on statements by Microsoft - everyone will be getting the 7.8 update and operators will not be able to block the updates as it will be directly delivered by Microsoft to the handset
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I kinda disagree. Microsoft can't really bypass operators when delivering updates, and I feel the operators will still be controlling when/how their devices will receive the updates. In short, we will have to flash the CABs ourself if we really want it right away once 7.8 is released to the general public. Then again, unbranded and completely unlocked DVPs will receive it no doubt, but those of us with Tmobile or At&t unlocked phones I believe won't.
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I kinda disagree. Microsoft can't really bypass operators when delivering updates, and I feel the operators will still be controlling when/how their devices will receive the updates. In short, we will have to flash the CABs ourself if we really want it right away once 7.8 is released to the general public. Then again, unbranded and completely unlocked DVPs will receive it no doubt, but those of us with Tmobile or At&t unlocked phones I believe won't.
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Right on. And if TMO/ATT magically does release the 7.8 update, it'll have a hack of a time having to release all the updates before 7.8, like 7740, 8107, 8112, 8773 Tango.... it's just easier for them to ignore an ancient device like the DVP. :crying:
Still stick to my version
fubag said:
I kinda disagree. Microsoft can't really bypass operators when delivering updates, and I feel the operators will still be controlling when/how their devices will receive the updates. In short, we will have to flash the CABs ourself if we really want it right away once 7.8 is released to the general public. Then again, unbranded and completely unlocked DVPs will receive it no doubt, but those of us with Tmobile or At&t unlocked phones I believe won't.
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aleunge said:
Right on. And if TMO/ATT magically does release the 7.8 update, it'll have a hack of a time having to release all the updates before 7.8, like 7740, 8107, 8112, 8773 Tango.... it's just easier for them to ignore an ancient device like the DVP. :crying:
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I may be wrong but as far as Microsoft blog / forum posts go all users running Windows 7.X will get updated to Windows 7.8 bypassing all mobile operators. Mobile operators will have no say in this release of Microsoft and this has been discussed on various microsoft forum posts time and again that everyone will be getting the 7.8 update once its released bypassing all mobile operators and will be delivered directly by Microsoft to the mobile holder rather than via the operator. Anyone can do a quick search on bing / google Windows 7.8 Update bypass carrier
xpmymob said:
I may be wrong but as far as Microsoft blog / forum posts go all users running Windows 7.X will get updated to Windows 7.8 bypassing all mobile operators. Mobile operators will have no say in this release of Microsoft and this has been discussed on various microsoft forum posts time and again that everyone will be getting the 7.8 update once its released bypassing all mobile operators and will be delivered directly by Microsoft to the mobile holder rather than via the operator. Anyone can do a quick search on bing / google Windows 7.8 Update bypass carrier
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Trust me, yo. I really want to believe 7.8 will bypass the carriers, but there's just too much conflicting info out there in bing land and google town. I guess we'll find out soon enough (or not soon enough)! Let's hope that even if some DVPs don't get the update, peeps here will make it happen! :highfive:
ye I agree with aleunge
if I can't get the 7.8 update, I think its time to retire the DVP and move on for good ='(
I have an unbranded EU dvp. Got it from expansys when they were shifting their stock.
I disagree with the abandoning..
I just updated my 4th DVP to 8773.
My old DVP was tired and beat up.. so for $120 on ebay I got me a brand new one..
Until a QWERTY Portrait comes out for any other phone.. the DVP does about everything I need a phone to do and more.
well it's official:
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Dell phones 99% won't be getting 7.8
Small chance the official CAB files will be useful...
The MS 'statement' seems to imply that new firmware isn't needed for the 7.8 update. In this case, I'd be surprised if Dell blocks the 7.8 update (as it improves customer satisfaction with little or no cost to Dell).
Either way, we'll probably know the answer before too long
By owning a flagship android device, we always want the latest and greatest software available for this device, but there are only limited number of software engineers that work on android updates for LG flagship devices (around 300-400 engineers) depending on region, so they are not able to provide the users with all the minor android updates Google decides to release. Therefore, they turn their attention on major updates, instead of minor ones to keep their user base happy. Keep in mind that LG honors your device eligibility for upgrade to 24-27 months before dropping support and that we can't always get what we want.
My question to you is... If LG was reconstructing their plans for android updates, which one do you prefer?
1) You want all the minor android updates that Google releases to be released for your LG G3 and receive major ones later.
2) You want faster release of major android updates to the most current version.
To clarify: Choice 1 gives you more frequent small updates and Choice 2 gives you less frequent, but large updates. When your device approaches the support-end date, choice 1 will be one major update behind choice 2 because engineers working on every android updates and won't be able to release the major one in time.
This is a really hard one to call. Recently I received the 20f update from 20e on my D855. It was only a 12mb google patch but didn't change the android version the phone was on, in fact I don't know what it changed! Obviously it fixed or improved something but it would be nice to know what!
I think it is a matter of priority, if we receive a major update, for example going from 5.0 to 5.1.0, which not only has performance improvements but cosmetic and feature additions then I would like to receive this type of update as soon as possible helping my device stay at the cutting edge.
But if this update breaks something... like my wifi becoming unstable or system programmes force closing all the time, I would expect that to become the priority no matter how small the patch update may be!
So to reiterate, my first choice would be option 2 bringing in a touch of option 1 if required!
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This is a really hard one to call. Recently I received the 20f update from 20e on my D855. It was only a 12mb google patch but didn't change the android version the phone was on, in fact I don't know what it changed! Obviously it fixed or improved something but it would be nice to know what!
I think it is a matter of priority, if we receive a major update, for example going from 5.0 to 5.1.0, which not only has performance improvements but cosmetic and feature additions then I would like to receive this type of update as soon as possible helping my device stay at the cutting edge.
But if this update breaks something... like my wifi becoming unstable or system programmes force closing all the time, I would expect that to become the priority no matter how small the patch update may be!
So to reiterate, my first choice would be option 2 bringing in a touch of option 1 if required!
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I have to agree with you. I wish there was a happy medium between the two.