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Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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I suggest you ask T-Mobile directly....

Insurance fraud...

Theoretically you would be committing a crime. Not going to be an accessory.
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They can't"lock" it but I assume it'd be confusing if you both had the same sim card...but if she has a T-Mobile similar card of her own with data plans and etc yes it would work and T-Mobile wouldn't find out this is similar to buying the vibrant for $500 without the Contract.
So yes. Do what I said and it will work
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Your Sooooo Smart
Something to think about however. [Side note: I love how stupid criminals always post there illegal activities publicly and get caught. I will be listening for this one on my local radio station's "To stupid to live" spot in the near future.]
You post this in a VERY public VERY highly trafficed public forum frequented by both developers and T-Mobile employees. You used your normal account that already has your location (Bakersfield), 10 prior posts, and (via a warrant that you gave cause for with you original post) log files that tie you to your IP address with dates and times of every time you visit this site. Surely most if not all of those IP addresses (assuming they are dynamic and actually change) all belong to the same ISP who can easily look at there records and see which subscriber had the IP address at those times. Your ISP has your real name, address, phone number etc.
Two warrants later and the circumstantial evidence just became concrete enough to convict you.
But please, tell us more of your theoretical plan.

Nothing will happen, I done it with a few phones from tmobile. One thing though they wont send you the phone completly free, you will pay something like $50
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping...
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To start with this crap makes the cost of products go up for the ready off us that don't game the system...but hey, go for it, see of you get caught.
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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I hope they use your cell phone imei and prosecute you

nomadrider123 said:
I hope they use your cell phone imei and prosecute you
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Oh Snap! I totally missed the "Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App" part when I explained earlier exactly how they wold find him. The ID10T actually sent this crap from his phone!! When his girlfriend uses the "LOST" phone they can bust them both.
LOL

I wont go into a big long post about how your theory is wrong (criminal), or how you will be caught its been covered. Oh wait nobody mentioned karma. I'll just say that its people like you that make it hard for the rest of us. First you drive up prices. Second you make it so that people with legitimate claims have to jump through hoops. So go ahead on with your fraud I for one know that if you go ahead with your scheme karma will catch up.
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T313C0mun1s7 said:
Something to think about however. [Side note: I love how stupid criminals always post there illegal activities publicly and get caught. I will be listening for this one on my local radio station's "To stupid to live" spot in the near future.]
You post this in a VERY public VERY highly trafficed public forum frequented by both developers and T-Mobile employees. You used your normal account that already has your location (Bakersfield), 10 prior posts, and (via a warrant that you gave cause for with you original post) log files that tie you to your IP address with dates and times of every time you visit this site. Surely most if not all of those IP addresses (assuming they are dynamic and actually change) all belong to the same ISP who can easily look at there records and see which subscriber had the IP address at those times. Your ISP has your real name, address, phone number etc.
Two warrants later and the circumstantial evidence just became concrete enough to convict you.
But please, tell us more of your theoretical plan.
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Yeah right. Them doing any of this for one phone, highly unlikely. The legal system sucks. Sad but true.
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vetvito said:
Yeah right. Them doing any of this for one phone, highly unlikely. The legal system sucks. Sad but true.
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Don't worry, he's a wuss, that's why he came here to ask instead of just doing it. The fact that they can easily find out will be enough to scare him, doesn't matter if they actually do it.

Telanis said:
Don't worry, he's a wuss, that's why he came here to ask instead of just doing it. The fact that they can easily find out will be enough to scare him, doesn't matter if they actually do it.
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how about that lady that got taken to court for downloading songs from napster she is facing a 21k fine different I know but why take the chance

This was a hypothetical question...ammirighhtt?? Two words eye may.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.

Hey hey, this is just theoretically thinking. Why all the hate mail... u
If it happens sooner or later, it would just b coincidence........

mikaeldalc said:
Hey hey, this is just theoretically thinking. Why all the hate mail... u
If it happens sooner or later, it would just b coincidence........
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Dude, you are scum. Dispense with the humor, because no one is amused by jerkoffs like you.
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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Well just theoretically speaking you would theoretically go to jail because that is theoretically insurance fraud and T-Mobile & Asurion, the theoretical insurance company about which you theoretically speak of can theoretically track IMEI's in use, and since Asurion is the primary theoretical insurance company for every theoretical wireless carrier, they would theoretically be able to track it no matter which theoretical wireless company your theoretical girlfriend was theoretically on. Theoretically speaking, of course.

Tethering On Gingerbread

Running liberty v.4 gingerbread on my dx. Yesterday I went to try and use my theathering application, and it directed me to the verizon page for 3g mobil hotspot and usb thethering. Is this a problem faced by all who use gingerbread? and if so has there been a solution posted anywhere to allow me to still be able to tether on gingerbread? I never had this issue until I went to gingerbread, and will flash back to 2.2 if I need to in order to be able to tether. Any input is always apprecitaed! thanks

Try using wireless tether from the market instead

Ive been using pdanet ever since the p3droid warning... Ive heard that people are still using the wifi tether app
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I am using wifi tether, and it works, but when I want to get back online from my phone, it kicks me over to the verizon page telling me that I have to pay to tether, and I have to restart my phone to be able to search the internet.

I'm using the market wifi tether with the tbh patcher applied. Its tricky to get started, but once I do, it stays connected.
Sent from my Xoom the way it should be, rooted and with SD card.

I've actually just been bluetooth tethering to my transformer
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i flat stayed on froyo fission 261 cause it runs fine and i dont like being screwed with by processes i cant find or not being able to delete things i want to delete from the system....

Tethering is the reason the heat is coming down on us rooters. Don't do it.

rocko73 said:
Tethering is the reason the heat is coming down on us rooters. Don't do it.
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It is ok to do it, just don't be one of those jerks who uses 200+gb a month

Jmoney47 said:
It is ok to do it, just don't be one of those jerks who uses 200+gb a month
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If you are under contract with verizon (I.E. the one or two year contract offered in order to obtain a discount on your mobile device) then rooting your phone is illegal as well as teathering with out paying the service fee! If you are not under a contract then it is leagal to do as you wish to or with your own phone, including but not limited to rooting, teathering, and cloning another device owned by you (also not under contract) for your own use and purpose!!!

First off, this thread was not started to create an argument or debate on the legalities of tethering or rooting. Now that being said, how is tethering illegal? We should be able to use our "unlimited" data package however we wish. From my understanding, there is a difference between tethering and the mobile 3g hotspot which makes the way they both go about producing the wireless internet different. Again though, this is not the point, I was simply hoping someone could help me, if i wanted to be lectured on what I was doing wrong, I would have asked "hey, is this something that is wrong or not" can we please stay on topic?

here we go....

faber78 said:
here we go....
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lol i know right... -_-
anyway...I am hoping myself to find out how I can get some tether going on my droid x with GB..Don't wanna have to SBF back 2 froyo..

smiteme said:
First off, this thread was not started to create an argument or debate on the legalities of tethering or rooting. Now that being said, how is tethering illegal? We should be able to use our "unlimited" data package however we wish. From my understanding, there is a difference between tethering and the mobile 3g hotspot which makes the way they both go about producing the wireless internet different. Again though, this is not the point, I was simply hoping someone could help me, if i wanted to be lectured on what I was doing wrong, I would have asked "hey, is this something that is wrong or not" can we please stay on topic?
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seriously I agree stop lecturing on tethering, people are going to do it regardless... go onto a different forum for its illegal and what not geez
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jalupinja said:
If you are under contract with verizon (I.E. the one or two year contract offered in order to obtain a discount on your mobile device) then rooting your phone is illegal as well as teathering with out paying the service fee! If you are not under a contract then it is leagal to do as you wish to or with your own phone, including but not limited to rooting, teathering, and cloning another device owned by you (also not under contract) for your own use and purpose!!!
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Tethering and rooting is in absolutely no way illegal and does not even go against the terms of service. If you are against rooting then you truly don't belong on a DEVELOPERS forum.
Anyway, what I would recommend is trying wireless tether, if that doesn't work, you could try a wired tethering service such as PDAnet or easytether which is what I use

yikes
Tethering doesn't work in GB? F that, I'll stay on .340.
What a bunch of big red hookers...try'n to snarf up the wifi tethers.

Jmoney47 said:
Tethering and rooting is in absolutely no way illegal and does not even go against the terms of service.
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http://tinyurl.com/vzwtos1
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jalupinja said:
If you are under contract with verizon (I.E. the one or two year contract offered in order to obtain a discount on your mobile device) then rooting your phone is illegal as well as teathering with out paying the service fee! If you are not under a contract then it is leagal to do as you wish to or with your own phone, including but not limited to rooting, teathering, and cloning another device owned by you (also not under contract) for your own use and purpose!!!
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Rooting is not illegal. What penal code refers to this? It simply voids your warranty.

jalupinja said:
If you are under contract with verizon (I.E. the one or two year contract offered in order to obtain a discount on your mobile device) then rooting your phone is illegal as well as teathering with out paying the service fee! If you are not under a contract then it is leagal to do as you wish to or with your own phone, including but not limited to rooting, teathering, and cloning another device owned by you (also not under contract) for your own use and purpose!!!
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The fifth us circuit court has deemed there is no legal basis to prevent users from gaining higher level access to their devices. As for contract obligations, there are no stipulations against rooting, rather it voids the warranty, which is acceptable. Teathering is a bit of a gray area. There are two schools of thought. You obviously highlight one, but I believe in the other. That being that I signed up for a data plan at $29.99 a month that allows for my usage of as much data as I desire. (Unlimited, as in not restricted) As teathering is a feature of the android device I purchased, I am using my unlimited data plan in a manner I see fit. And lastly, I would love a direct quote of the verizon service agreement you draw this conclusion from.
Back onto topic, the TBH patcher works with wireless teather. The trick with the patcher is to flash it in CWM a few times, reboot, start teather, then flash it a few more times. Whatever the difference was, it works well for me.
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This was enough to stop me right in my tracks:
rocko73 said:
Tethering is the reason the heat is coming down on us rooters. Don't do it.
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I thought to myself; "self....rocko73 just gave you a direct order. you better listen up and straighten out...."
lulz....

Excessive data usage, and possible consequences

Here's what I think might happen:
Carriers are going to create a study that shows that they are losing revenues because some people are abusing their network bandwidth, and that this adversely affects their normal users.
Carriers will associate the small percentage of these bandwidth hogs to users using tethering without paying for a tethering plan. Carriers will narrow the list down to rooted users who are tethering. They will be able to identify if a phone is rooted. They will have a list of rooted bandwidth hogs that they will present in court.
If list is small, they will go after those rooted users. If list is large, they will try to identify the ringleader(s) who facilitate rooting.
Easy to identify the ringleaders: they post pro-rooting messages all over the place, and tweet more than any bird and have many twitter followers.
Carriers will use their legal muscle to force ringleaders to cease and desist. Ringleaders will not have financial resources to fight Carriers, because in this country, he who can afford the most justice will usually prevail. Hopefully, ringleaders don't work for anyone who is affiliated with Carriers in any way, or ringleader's job (and income) is in immediate jeopardy. After costs from legal confrontation, ringleaders may not have enough money to even afford to buy a USB cable anymore let alone get a new phone and try to root it...
So, Carriers will have won.
Just one scenario, and my $0.02...
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I can't really envision carriers actually taking anyone to court over this, what I think could happen to those that abuse tethering is that the carrier will just start charging them for a tethering plan. Just my $.02, I really don't know how big of an issue it is to carriers although Verizon did ban tethering apps from the market..
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Well, I agree with the pay more possibility. For one thing, rooting has been ruled as perfectly legal. Can't go after rooters.
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jermyer said:
Well, I agree with the pay more possibility. For one thing, rooting has been ruled as perfectly legal. Can't go after rooters.
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Could this case have set a precedent? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz
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If you're referring to the PS3 lawsuit, then no. The DMCA now has an explicit exception for mobile phones. The PS3 lawsuit was because Sony said the exploit would spread piracy.

ATT doesn't like it when you illegally tether

Received this text message today, promptly called and complained and had it switched back. Thought you guys would enjoy this.
I like the flex of muscle by att, can't wait for sprint to have service in my area.

Couldn't you just cancel your contract since they changed it without your permission?
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Yes. There is nothing about tethering in the 2 year agreement. I work in a cell phone store and ive read the agreement with no tethering rules
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They claim that they sent me a message back in September but i don't ever recall getting it. And what do you mean cancel my contract, why would I do that, to get a cheaper phone? Haha
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how do they detect this?

exileinoblivion7 said:
Received this text message today, promptly called and complained and had it switched back. Thought you guys would enjoy this.
I like the flex of muscle by att, can't wait for sprint to have service in my area.
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Firstly.
They are violating your privacy as a user.
Secondly.
If the said terms have been put into place after you have bought and signed for the device 'without you agreeing to it initially', then legally you have the right to sue them.
You can easily argue that AT&T is taking advantage of the idea.

OmegaRED^ said:
Firstly.
They are violating your privacy as a user.
Secondly.
If the said terms have been put into place after you have bought and signed for the device 'without you agreeing to it initially', then legally you have the right to sue them.
You can easily argue that AT&T is taking advantage of the idea.
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The woman I spoke with on the phone said that back in September they sent me a similar text saying that if I continue to tether then I agree to it. I don't think I ever got that message but i flash roms so much that I could've missed it
This really brings to light just what a scummy company att really is. If there is anything I can do to retaliate it would be awesome if someone could send me a PM with some details as what i can do.
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how do they detect this?
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I think they detect it because tethering uses a special APN which is detectable by att.
I've also read(and immot sure how this works so dontquote me onit) but when att sends a signal out it has what's called a TTL number. This increases by a value of 1 everytime its passed down so the return number they get is higher than it should be.
Don't really know how it works but isaw those methods somewhere so thought I'd let you know
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Thing is, if your on unlimited, there's NOTHING in your contract that says your allowed to tether on unlimited, and that's how they get you.
No way to sue, they state that your not allowed to tether, and will change your plan if you do, so they're completely in the right.
Remember this... we only get as much rights as the carriers allow us to have.

and the other side of the coin is......is there anything in there to not allow tethering?

I got the message. A 12 year veteran of AT&T. Broke my contract for free and switched to Verizon.
Done like a boss.
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Can't the method AT&T uses to detect tethering be bi-passed by rooting and removing their tethering app...?

Another way the know your tethering is when you use several IPs at the same time, like you tether, connections include game servers, youtube, etc. And it's kinof hard to explain how you were able to watch netflix movies, youtube videos, play games at the same time.

U.S: Its Illegal to Unlock Smartphones

Hi guys, just saw this news concerning our U.S pals:
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/01/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013-so-far-it-is-now-a-crime-to-unlock-your-smartphone/272552/
At least its not unlocking the bootloader that's illegal. You'll just have to be a bit more careful for your next phones dear Americans

There are an simple solution, use non carrier phones.
Galaxy powered by GM and Dorimanx.

Simple....but unlocked phones are sold at 1000%+ mark up to intentionally drive people to the carrier subsidized phones
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Price
I wonder what this will do to the orice of unlocked phones on the internet, maybe we can benifit from price drops, what do u guys think?

For a short time I'm sure popular models that are already unlocked will sell at a premium used but since the tech moves so fast it won't be long before phones like the the Nexus 4 and newer cheap(er) pre-unlocked phones drive down that price.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
Check this link out to sign the petition and pass it on

lol, like people in America give a crap what the government says. I'm sure we can count on service providers to police the issue though.
I think I'll unlock one of my old crap phones just to make a point. XD, SCREW EM

Illegal to Unlock - Direct Action
Heard about the decision to allow AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Sprint, etc. to hold your own cellular device hostage?
Here's a link: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-10-26/html/2012-26308.htm
Let's all write Jacqueline C. Charlesworth, Senior Counsel to the Register of Copyrights, Office of the Register of Copyrights, at [email protected] and/or Christopher S. Reed, Senior Advisor for Policy & Special Projects, Office of the Register of Copyrights, email at [email protected]; or call the U.S. Copyright Office by phone at 202-707-8350 just to tell them what we think of this decision.

Good luck Americans, just sharing. Just don't screw up some point in the future lol. Its still kinda new, they might go all Terminator on you guys for reasons yet unknown hahah

This is the same government that gave a company patents for a rectangular black phone and a rectangular white phone so nothing surprises me

isn't this only true for new phones? as in if you already unlocked it, it doesn't matter?

pinyata said:
isn't this only true for new phones? as in if you already unlocked it, it doesn't matter?
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Correct. It only applies to phones purchased after the rule went into effect.

Come on guys move up to Canada it's not THAT cold here!

But being from the southeast, I'd really be confused by all of the 'eh' and references to hockey!
Besides, where would I get my sweet tea and grits? I get up past Tennessee and people look at me funny when I ask for sugar with my iced tea....

Inspiredwire said:
Correct. It only applies to phones purchased after the rule went into effect.
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I may be wrong ( good chance I am) but I believe this is for new phones that are bought discounted for new contract or extension since in a way until that contract is up the carrier owns that phone. Just like you don't own your home until your mortgage is paid off. Not saying I agree with the new law in any way.

If the owner is willing, they're allowed to call up their carrier and ask for the unlock code. As long as the person you buy from doesn't care and has had the phone for a while, there's no problem.

I don't think it's illegal, but you will certainly avoid your warranty.

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I don't think it's illegal, but you will certainly avoid your warranty.
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I think so too. Nobody will be punished for that. I guess the police have better things to do.
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I've downloaded so much music illegally so idgaf about how illegal it is unlock a phone. Done
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severinca said:
I've downloaded so much music illegally so idgaf about how illegal it is unlock a phone. Done
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Not exactly something to brag about...