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Question re: 3g hotspot on Droid X

I just got an early upgrade notice from VZ (really early, like over a year early, but I'm not complaining) and I'm planning on checking out the X after work and probably ordering it. Now, my question is with the 3g hotspot functionality. I see that it's apparently available now but VZ charges extra for it... Is that some sort of VZ app that provides the functionality? Froyo isn't out yet for it, so I'm wondering how they're providing it, and whether anyone knows if they'll continue to charge for it once it's available via Froyo. Thanks for any information!

You will always be charged. However do the one click root and install barnacle then it will be free.
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Makes sense...it's not like VZ doesn't try to limit functionality on any of their other phones and only provide the functionality through their own pay features...
I mean, I realize you may use more bandwidth using your phone as a mifi, but you're already PAYING for that bandwidth.

Big Dawg 23 said:
You will always be charged. However do the one click root and install barnacle then it will be free.
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sfreemanoh said:
Makes sense...it's not like VZ doesn't try to limit functionality on any of their other phones and only provide the functionality through their own pay features...
I mean, I realize you may use more bandwidth using your phone as a mifi, but you're already PAYING for that bandwidth.
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Technically this does work. It will not however, be free. You will be violating your Terms of Service. *If* you ever get caught, you will likely be billed, or have the line terminated, etc.
Don't get me wrong. I'm rooted, and have the Wi-Fi Tether app on my phone, and it's unlikely that VZW will make much of an effort to stop the small minority of us who get that capability. However, one can never be certain. If you take these actions, you should do so knowing full well that it isn't "free".

Agreed. I also don't tether to the point that I hit 5GB that might cause a flag. Now i you tether a laptop daily you will likely get caught. I have hit 3gb on my droid an it was via streaming and downloading.
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There is no way for VZ to find out that your using services that are paid for free, unless you root your device and take it in for repairs without unrooting it.

i just cant seem to get tethering to work. i mean i can connect to the phone and computer to connect, but not web access. tried the wifi tether app included with 1 click root, and barnacle. nothing
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sfreemanoh said:
I just got an early upgrade notice from VZ (really early, like over a year early, but I'm not complaining) and I'm planning on checking out the X after work and probably ordering it. Now, my question is with the 3g hotspot functionality. I see that it's apparently available now but VZ charges extra for it... Is that some sort of VZ app that provides the functionality? Froyo isn't out yet for it, so I'm wondering how they're providing it, and whether anyone knows if they'll continue to charge for it once it's available via Froyo. Thanks for any information!
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yes there is app built in from vzw for there hotspot app. it cost 20$ a month and u only get 2gb. on the palm free it started out as a paid app then went free. there is tethering on 2.2 and when you use it it takes you to vzw.com and you have to add this feature

root your phone, download android wifi tether, and you're set, for free!!

wireless tether

I was wondering what is the easiest way to tether wirelessly without paying the extra monthly fee? I see there's an app for rooted users, but it doesn't seem to work very well.

you want to get tethering without paying for it and your asking us? ....

I would like to know too. I use to be able to tether (via USB and Bluetooth) with my BB for free on TMO. I heard that TMO is now charging which sucks but I heard if your phone is rooted that you can still tether for free on Android but then I read some people with a rooted phone still got the text about the 14.99 plan.. So it's a bit confusing. So is there still a way to tether for free? I only use it while on the train to connect my netbook to just do basic stuff like surf the web(no video playback) and check mail so even a free tether via bluetooth option wouldnt be horrible to me but if I could get the wifi hot spot working for free that would be awesome.

if your just checking email and stuff why dont you just use your phone.? i mean thats whats its for. instead of trying to look for a way to cheat the system why not just use it? thats why your paying for it anyways.....
and people wonder why phone internet and the such cost an arm and a leg.

syaoran68 said:
if your just checking email and stuff why dont you just use your phone.? i mean thats whats its for. instead of trying to look for a way to cheat the system why not just use it? thats why your paying for it anyways.....
and people wonder why phone internet and the such cost an arm and a leg.
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Because say if I'm on the train on my netbook or laptop doing work (non internet) and I want to check my email it's easier to just open a browser on the device I'm already using instead of pulling out my phone. And what's with the holier than thou attitude? I mean TMO use to allow it for free when other carriers didn't and people on all those other carrier's always found ways around it to get it for free.. so asking his question is a legit question since many many people have been "cheating" the system for years.. and cheating a carrier isn't really going to make me lose sleep at night.. especially because in many ways carriers have been cheating us for years..

its still not a legit question to ask. your catching yourself in a hole already. you said " tmobile USED to allow it and now they dont. end of story. and your saying that people always found a way around it. its all not legit. i dont really care if you dont care about cheating a carrier, but i doubt asking about it on here is going to be kosher. since this a forum about how to hack your phone to get more performance NOT about how to hack your phone to get stuff your NOT supposed to get for free.

syaoran68 said:
its still not a legit question to ask. your catching yourself in a hole already. you said " tmobile USED to allow it and now they dont. end of story. and your saying that people always found a way around it. its all not legit. i dont really care if you dont care about cheating a carrier, but i doubt asking about it on here is going to be kosher. since this a forum about how to hack your phone to get more performance NOT about how to hack your phone to get stuff your NOT supposed to get for free.
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Just answer his question or GTFO of here.
I believe that you can still use the wireless hotspot feature on your phone. I dont think T-mobile is charging for it yet. They will just cap your Data speeds if you use more data than they allow in a month.

I've been using the stock Wi-Fi Hotspot app since day one on my phone and have yet to receive the text, but then I never even get close to the 5GB "cap". some people have had the same "luck" as me where as others have gotten the text the very first time they use it... so I would suggest trying it out and if you don't get the text you're good to go.
if that doesn't work try Barnacle (in the Market).
besides every time I have asked a CSR about whether or not they charge to use the built-in Wi-Fi Hotspot app they tell me they don't know anything about it, even had one tell me that the phone didn't come with it and to check with the developer that uploaded it to the Market.

hmm How long have you been with Tmo? I wonder if the people who are getting the text about the 14.99 plan are new customers or if they are exsisting customers.. Maybe they are new customers so there accounts are built in with the block from the get and people who have been with tmo for a while are either 1.grandfathered and doesnt apply to them or 2. Hasn't been rolled out to all exsisting customer's yet.
The grandfathered thing I bring up because I know TMO has a great loyalty program usually whatever you got when you opened your account(features/services) you get for the same price no matter how high it goes up.. for example I use to have bb. for years I only paid 19.99 when TMO raised the price to I think 25 mine stayed at 19.00. When I just upgraded to android they gave me the unlimited plan for what I was paying for my BB unlimited plan 19.99. Another example is I got hotspot at home with my BB that allowed me to make calls over wifi without it deducting from my minutes for an extra 10 bucks a month.. after a while they stopped offering this service but I was still getting it. As long as I never removed it from my account it stayed.
So maybe it's a thing where if you signed up after that policy for wifi(or right around) you will get banged with the "you need a tethering plan" message otherwise you're good.. That's just a possible explanation based purely on a hunch..maybe.. kinda.. sorta

I've been with them since '05 on their original Family plan

I've been with them since 06.. I tethered on my BB up until 2 weeks ago when I switch to Android (I set my android up for wifi hotspot but havent used it yet because my netbook is being repaired) so it could possibly be that. I'm curious to know if the people who got this text message are new(er) customers and the ones that said they didnt get the text and have no problems tethering are older customers

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I tried the built in wireless tethering feature about an hour ago and I haven't received a text asking me to sign up for the monthly add on. I wasn't expecting it to work for free and I assume it won't be forever.
Has anyone who has rooted their MT4G had success using the barnacle app to wirelessly tether?

clivo360 said:
I tried the built in wireless tethering feature about an hour ago and I haven't received a text asking me to sign up for the monthly add on. I wasn't expecting it to work for free and I assume it won't be forever.
Has anyone who has rooted their MT4G had success using the barnacle app to wirelessly tether?
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yeah it was working for me, that was why I suggested it if you're not able to use stock. I just prefer the simplicity of the stock app, that and when ever I would tether with barnacle or the google code wireless tether my calls wouldn't come through but they do with the stock app.

Our Fight Against Motorola & VZW

If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.

Source? Where was this announced?

PixoNova said:
Source? Where was this announced?
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http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013

I would like to know how it is even possible for them to detect root. Seems android becoming more closed to me
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Ya, the android world ain't looking too bright.
No sideloading
No tethering (for free)
No emulating
No rooting
No updating

So far the Atrix is GSM only so I'm not sure how much fervor there's going to be against VZW in this particular forum.
I'm more concerned about the messages ATT has been sending out to iphone users telling them to cease tethering or be automatically switched to a tethering plan.

Wow that's some crazy ****. Someone made a good point after the article, apple tried to fight jail breaking and lost. So why can't we fight.
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sagerox said:
Wow that's some crazy ****. Someone made a good point after the article, apple tried to fight jail breaking and lost. So why can't we fight.
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no apple did't tried to fight the jailbreak community they realized that is in their best interest if they just pretend that jailbreaking doesn't exists, like this they can keep everybody happy, regular users and jailbreakers

How the hell am I post to install my antivirus that isnt on market place if I cant side load either or even use amazon app store.
-illusion

sagerox said:
Wow that's some crazy ****. Someone made a good point after the article, apple tried to fight jail breaking and lost. So why can't we fight.
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This is actually a rather interesting situation. The DMCA and subsequent Apple lawsuit has established both the legislation and court precedent that you can unlock and jailbreak/root your mobile phone if you so wish (mobile phones only so far, tablets do not qualify under the DMCA exemption).
I believe any language in a VZW contract contradicting these consumer rights you're afforded under the law would be considered null and void. VZW limiting or terminating the data service you've paid for and signed a contract to receive just because you've rooted your phone should be considered a breach of contract by VZW and allow you to leave without ETF...
Maybe VZW's on to something! Buy phone, sign contract, root phone, get data suspended, terminate contract for breach of terms...Profit?

rboone18 said:
I would like to know how it is even possible for them to detect root. Seems android becoming more closed to me
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Motorola, HTC, and Verizon are developing a software to track us.

Kueller said:
So far the Atrix is GSM only so I'm not sure how much fervor there's going to be against VZW in this particular forum.
I'm more concerned about the messages ATT has been sending out to iphone users telling them to cease tethering or be automatically switched to a tethering plan.
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But motorola could release this in an update

Kueller said:
This is actually a rather interesting situation. The DMCA and subsequent Apple lawsuit has established both the legislation and court precedent that you can unlock and jailbreak/root your mobile phone if you so wish (mobile phones only so far, tablets do not qualify under the DMCA exemption).
I believe any language in a VZW contract contradicting these consumer rights you're afforded under the law would be considered null and void. VZW limiting or terminating the data service you've paid for and signed a contract to receive just because you've rooted your phone should be considered a breach of contract by VZW and allow you to leave without ETF...
Maybe VZW's on to something! Buy phone, sign contract, root phone, get data suspended, terminate contract for breach of terms...Profit?
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The profit part makes perfect sense.

tyvallely said:
But motorola could release this in an update
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Release an update that does what? Limit or suspend your data services? Why and How would Moto go about doing that?
If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon.
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There's the Why (VZW), and also the How (also VZW). And neither the Why nor the How have anything to do with the Atrix.
Wrong forum.

Kueller said:
Release an update that does what? Limit or suspend your data services? Why and How would Moto go about doing that?
There's the Why (VZW), and also the How (also VZW). And neither the Why nor the How have anything to do with the Atrix.
Wrong forum.
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No no no no like enable the tracking feature. And no its the right forum because motorola or verizon could do it. ATT is next to do so.

what does this have to do with the Atrix?

Well if motorola releases the tracking update then its a problem for motorola devices. The last time I checked it was made by motorola. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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what does this have to do with the Atrix?
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Because other carriers will start doing the same thing. Classic case of monkey see, monkey do.
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At&T will just have a superuser fee, no worries, ill pay it

Why would they have to release any form of tracking software or update, they can already see what software you have loaded on your device. Any device running a program requiring root, automatically defines you as having rooted your device

ATT doesn't like it when you illegally tether

Received this text message today, promptly called and complained and had it switched back. Thought you guys would enjoy this.
I like the flex of muscle by att, can't wait for sprint to have service in my area.

Couldn't you just cancel your contract since they changed it without your permission?
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Yes. There is nothing about tethering in the 2 year agreement. I work in a cell phone store and ive read the agreement with no tethering rules
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They claim that they sent me a message back in September but i don't ever recall getting it. And what do you mean cancel my contract, why would I do that, to get a cheaper phone? Haha
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how do they detect this?

exileinoblivion7 said:
Received this text message today, promptly called and complained and had it switched back. Thought you guys would enjoy this.
I like the flex of muscle by att, can't wait for sprint to have service in my area.
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Firstly.
They are violating your privacy as a user.
Secondly.
If the said terms have been put into place after you have bought and signed for the device 'without you agreeing to it initially', then legally you have the right to sue them.
You can easily argue that AT&T is taking advantage of the idea.

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Firstly.
They are violating your privacy as a user.
Secondly.
If the said terms have been put into place after you have bought and signed for the device 'without you agreeing to it initially', then legally you have the right to sue them.
You can easily argue that AT&T is taking advantage of the idea.
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The woman I spoke with on the phone said that back in September they sent me a similar text saying that if I continue to tether then I agree to it. I don't think I ever got that message but i flash roms so much that I could've missed it
This really brings to light just what a scummy company att really is. If there is anything I can do to retaliate it would be awesome if someone could send me a PM with some details as what i can do.
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donsh00tmesanta said:
how do they detect this?
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I think they detect it because tethering uses a special APN which is detectable by att.
I've also read(and immot sure how this works so dontquote me onit) but when att sends a signal out it has what's called a TTL number. This increases by a value of 1 everytime its passed down so the return number they get is higher than it should be.
Don't really know how it works but isaw those methods somewhere so thought I'd let you know
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Thing is, if your on unlimited, there's NOTHING in your contract that says your allowed to tether on unlimited, and that's how they get you.
No way to sue, they state that your not allowed to tether, and will change your plan if you do, so they're completely in the right.
Remember this... we only get as much rights as the carriers allow us to have.

and the other side of the coin is......is there anything in there to not allow tethering?

I got the message. A 12 year veteran of AT&T. Broke my contract for free and switched to Verizon.
Done like a boss.
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Can't the method AT&T uses to detect tethering be bi-passed by rooting and removing their tethering app...?

Another way the know your tethering is when you use several IPs at the same time, like you tether, connections include game servers, youtube, etc. And it's kinof hard to explain how you were able to watch netflix movies, youtube videos, play games at the same time.

Will FoxFi work?

Im thinking of buying this phone, but I need hotspot capability because im on UDP plan. Anyone know if it works? Or other options? Thanks a lot.

I would like to know this as well! It's the only thing stopping me from picking up this phone!

bb12489 said:
I would like to know this as well! It's the only thing stopping me from picking up this phone!
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IDK if FoxFi works but last night when my wife was picking hers up the VZW rep told us that he had a customer that was able to bypass the provisioning check & tether without rooting. Not sure how accurate that actually was but the rep seemed to have a firm grasp on the technology he was selling so take his comment with a grain of salt. If you want I can test it when she gets home to see if it works if no one else replies to you. Just tag me & I'll ask her to borrow her phone "for science".

bb12489 said:
I would like to know this as well! It's the only thing stopping me from picking up this phone!
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FoxFi USB/Bluetooth tethering works, Foxfi wifi tethering doesn't. For native hotspot, if you're on unlimited plan and not paying extra $30 for hotspot service you will get an error if you attempt to use Wi-Fi/USB/Bluetooth.

Well then lets hope for root lol

EvilDobe said:
IDK if FoxFi works but last night when my wife was picking hers up the VZW rep told us that he had a customer that was able to bypass the provisioning check & tether without rooting. Not sure how accurate that actually was but the rep seemed to have a firm grasp on the technology he was selling so take his comment with a grain of salt. If you want I can test it when she gets home to see if it works if no one else replies to you. Just tag me & I'll ask her to borrow her phone "for science".
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Any progress on this? I appreciate your sacrifices for science, since I just put in an order on this phone, but didn't realize there wasn't a root option, and I'm going to need to find a way to replace my previous root tether, so I don't get charged $30/mo.

So has anyone heard if we will be able to use native tethering once our plans go up without needing root or the extra 30 dollar charge you guys are speaking about.

jlong006 said:
So has anyone heard if we will be able to use native tethering once our plans go up without needing root or the extra 30 dollar charge you guys are speaking about.
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No way they do that
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I can confirm USB tether works with Foxfi