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Was there something I missed?

Whats up with all the devs bailing out? Not to mean that in a bad way, I appreciate all of yalls hard work dont get me wrong!

because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.

justinisyoung said:
because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE new roms with all features working right away
because people are ignorant.
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in sumation becuase there is too much drama going on.

heh I stopped releasing any of my work back in january.

Because someone let a stinky one and pointed the finger at someone else instead

justinisyoung said:
because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.
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I really dont understand why it is a bad thing to donate. its just like anything else that is made out there, Just be glad they arent charging you for this stuff. They do it out of there free will. People that want to bit*h about this kinda stuff should be banned.

this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.

ok time to kill this thread as it is just going to turn into another troll war just like the other. thanks and goodbye

Just leave the subject alone and let it die out please...
we don't need to keep beating a dead horse...

apollooff320 said:
this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.
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Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?

Merckle said:
Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.

gthing said:
The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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See I never saw it as them charging for the software, the people who donate get first look the people who didnt still get it. At no point have they said that there was a fee for this software, only if you appreciated the time they have taken and donated, you get first look. Similar to the manner in which HTC was supposed to release the kernel, they released it to sprint first then eventually the general public. Doesnt seem like linux issued a gpl violation against them to stop selling their devices

gthing said:
The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.

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i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.
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He never asked for donations for an early release. People volunteered donations for an early release. He gave the early release to donators from his last ROM. People got excited and started sending him donations so that they could get it. Flipz never asked them to. The beta release is unfinished and very buggy. You don't have to have it if you can wait a few days so that he can fix the bugs.

from a social psych perspective, having donations tied quid pro quo for something not everyone has the equal availability to experience is essentially going to diminish both sides of the equation here. Flipz will potentially look at the screaming rise in donations in anticipation of redeeming much of his hard earned time and effort in the form of monetary donations. Likewise, from the user perspective - many of you have already donated to get into that early release pool and sign off on the matter by claiming that flipz deserves the donation anyway.
with all the legalities aside here, and focusing solely on what an early release of flipz's rom being given to those who contribute monetary donations, there is no difference in my purchasing of a new microwave at the local sears and my donating to flipz with the added benefit of being sent an insider's link to the current unreleased firmware.
no matter how you flip it, or spin it, what it comes down to regardless of the point of view is preferential treatment. if flipz wants to make some money back on his time spent, as well as his bandwidth costs, this is the most legal way he can do it tbh. but if flipz wants this to be considered "free" for all intensive purposes, then there would be no early release to those who donate. its not free and/or open-source when the availability of the item is discriminated against those who do not donate.
on this last note, flipz will inevitably succumb to "every man has his price". the majority of the devs with blockbusting roms around here deserve their own subforum dedicated to how awesome they are for contributing to this community. I applaud them wholeheartedly. when the factor of money comes into the picture, there are very few people who will not be aroused financially by what people are willing to shell out for. The enthusiasm that we see from a dev who ties money directly into the release of his or her roms will virtually never be the same as one who accepts donations without an added incentive to his or her userbase.
bottom line, i think flipz made the wrong choice on both ends of the equation here. there is now a monetary factor that cannot be overlooked in the impending releases of all future "fresh" roms if nothing is changed. And for that I simply refuse to take part in any of these releases where there is a two-way transaction of goods regardless of the context.

I don't see how hall are not getting this flips donators are essentially his beta testers he's not giving them a finished Rom he's simply doing his thing realesing to donators to test out. They send feedback he fixes and BAM!!! public release with most of The bugs worked out.... how are yall not understanding that

I'm new and can't see the forest through the trees. But I do worry about what will happen when the official 2.1 is released by sprint. Could it be a total unrooting and lock-out?

Just because you charge for something doesnt mean its not open source. Free as in speech, not beer.

This thread keeps rolling downhill, but I see something that needs clarification. Flipz has NEVER EVER asked for a donation OK. Read it again, internalize it. NEVER EVER. You don't like the donation sh*t??? Don't donate and be happy with it. In about 2-4 days, you will have an updated software release after some people have found some bugs and some of them have been fixed. NO ONE is requiring a donation it is completely VOLUNTARY. No one will die for waiting about 4 days for a ROM (although some people sound like they will). Get a grip people. This is very simple.

On top of all this! people donate to him .. but how much do you need to give him? No he did not say... I could had paid .25 and still get it before anyone else..so please STFU!

Donating to devs for the ROMs they make.

First let me say I'm all for it and very appreciative that those of you can cook these and share with those of us who can't. I also realize you're quite busy with RL, etc.
Having said this though, it might be nice if you acknowledged it when people make a donation, even if it's small, perhaps via email. The world doesn't need to see but just seems like mutual respect to me. I've actually made a couple donations now which I was happy to do but the only acknowledgment I even received was the automated PayPal one saying it had been made.
It's also a way to encourage more to donate and repeat donations! Something to think about Devs.

Casbah said:
First let me say I'm all for it and very appreciative that those of you can cook these and share with those of us who can't. I also realize you're quite busy with RL, etc.
Having said this though, it might be nice if you acknowledged it when people make a donation, even if it's small, perhaps via email. The world doesn't need to see but just seems like mutual respect to me. I've actually made a couple donations now which I was happy to do but the only acknowledgment I even received was the automated PayPal one saying it had been made.
It's also a way to encourage more to donate and repeat donations! Something to think about Devs.
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I don't claim to be a developer, yet, but I have received a couple of donations and I emailed them and posted in thread. I'd like to think that I would do that for every donation that I'll ever receive. I agree that some type of personal response should be received.

I agree, but at the same time I know they can get busy... I have gotten a response the times I have donated. It is a great feeling to donate, and get that acknowledgement back that it was received.

It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
LOL!

jermaine151 said:
It's like when you're in traffic and you left someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
LOL!
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Well Put! LOL! I have recieved thank you emails also.

Amen to that! I do "thank you" boot animations and custom splash screens for my donors (^_^)>b
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I have received either an email or a thank you post every time even though I did not do so expecting anything in return - that was just my way of saying thanks. To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts. It would be nicer if they listen closely to those who donated and help them out whenever possible. This way we would not be paying them for modification of open source code but instead for their consulting help in making the ROMs work better for us.

All very good points. But also if you donate let the devs know that you sent them a donation and that you appreciate their work. That way they see it sooner (since I'm sure they're not sitting there looking for who donated to them today) and they'll send you a thank you in return. Also paypal names might be different than xda nicks.
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It's also a way to encourage more to donate and repeat donations! Something to think about Devs.
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I have to strongly agree! Even if it is set up as an automated response it would be better than a simple PayPal confirmation.
jermaine151 said:
It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
LOL!
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Excellent point! Taking your example...
How does it make you feel when you do let someone in (the right thing to do) and they don't even so much as acknowledge you? I know how it makes me feel
khanam said:
To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts.
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And what better way of thanking them than making a donation!
An old adage that has always worked for me...
"Business comes where it is welcomed - And returns where it is appreciated"
I have been on both ends of this thing, back in my WinMo days I created 400+ themes (home screens) in the Motorola Q forums and I can tell you from experience the donations are not going to make anyone rich!
If I had just $1.00 for every home screen I made for the Q that was downloaded I could have retired a long time ago. And that is no exaggeration!
Anything that would encourage people to donate is a good thing, these devs definitely deserve it!
Just my 2 cents worth.

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It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
LOL!
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Quite true! Then again you always get those people behind them trying to shove their way in... like no ever used a zipper before?
KGBxxx said:
All very good points. But also if you donate let the devs know that you sent them a donation and that you appreciate their work. That way they see it sooner (since I'm sure they're not sitting there looking for who donated to them today) and they'll send you a thank you in return. Also paypal names might be different than xda nicks.
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Very good point! I know my PayPal is different than my forum names. I typically try to put my name in a memo when I tip via PayPal though.
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Even though I posted my response, should'nt this be in the general section?

khanam said:
I have received either an email or a thank you post every time even though I did not do so expecting anything in return - that was just my way of saying thanks. To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts. It would be nicer if they listen closely to those who donated and help them out whenever possible. This way we would not be paying them for modification of open source code but instead for their consulting help in making the ROMs work better for us.
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i do agree with your whole post, but what discourages me is that i've donated a few times, and the question remains - whats the advantage??
i've offered dough for helping with real simple rom - no themes...
gotten no replies...
i've donated when i was under the belief of being kept "in the loop" for testing, early releases ect...
and never got anything... nor did i "request" special treatment
so basically, i feel from now on, i'm only donating for "personal" service, or until i get a rom i choose to stick with
sorry, but moneys tight for me, i cant afford to toss a five spot out for each new rom i try - specially when i o nly test it for a few hours sometimes...

I've donated to the same developer twice within the last month ($5 each time) because I appreciate his ROMs.
To date, I haven't received any kind of response beyond the Paypal notification.
Maybe he is just too busy, but it makes me wonder a few things...
- Is he already getting so many donations that it isn't worth his time to answer them?
- Was the amount I gave not appreciated?
- Was it so small as to go unnoticed?
I think the traffic analogy is a solid one. I gave the donations because I felt like they were the right thing to do. That said, not getting any kind of acknowledgment whatsoever left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.
This experience won't affect my future decisions on donating to other developers, but I doubt that I will donate to the same developer a third time.

I've donated to just about every ROM I used for more than 3 days ... CyanoGen, rEVOlution, Virtuous, etc... usually 20-25$ or something like that. I have yet to get any form of acknowledgement but I didn't expect one either. I donate because I appreciate getting fast and stable ROMS so I'd rather know that those people are busy doing what they like which is programming roms versus spending 2 days a week replying to emails and sending personalized thank you notes.
Of course I would enjoy a little candy like a ROM with an extra feature or just a little something extra for my donation.

MotoDj said:
i do agree with your whole post, but what discourages me is that i've donated a few times, and the question remains - whats the advantage??
i've offered dough for helping with real simple rom - no themes...
gotten no replies...
i've donated when i was under the belief of being kept "in the loop" for testing, early releases ect...
and never got anything... nor did i "request" special treatment
so basically, i feel from now on, i'm only donating for "personal" service, or until i get a rom i choose to stick with
sorry, but moneys tight for me, i cant afford to toss a five spot out for each new rom i try - specially when i o nly test it for a few hours sometimes...
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Nic2112 said:
I've donated to just about every ROM I used for more than 3 days ... CyanoGen, rEVOlution, Virtuous, etc... usually 20-25$ or something like that. I have yet to get any form of acknowledgement but I didn't expect one either. I donate because I appreciate getting fast and stable ROMS so I'd rather know that those people are busy doing what they like which is programming roms versus spending 2 days a week replying to emails and sending personalized thank you notes.
Of course I would enjoy a little candy like a ROM with an extra feature or just a little something extra for my donation.
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Exactly. Just some extra unlocked features for donators would be nice....
Why are the freeloaders getting the ROM at the same time and with the same features and functionality if we are helping with paying for hosting, and other costs etc?

Please read this Deca and other admins

I hope that this gets some attention and maybe changes some minds. I think we've been having more fighting than sharing in this forum lately when it comes to development and to be honest with you it's making me sick. The audacity of some to claim that since they found something that works that it somehow negates the fact that it's open source is not only ridiculous but harmful to the community. Everyone in here owes everything that they know to someone else. That's a fact. Period. Why you feel you have the right now to be compensated for your ability to read is beyond me. I've been here since my touch pro. I've never asked for a dollar from anyone. I help people as often as I can both, on here and outside of xda and never EVER ask for anything in return other than knowledge. Lately even asking for knowledge prompts a request for a "donation". This may come as a shock to you people but that is NOT a donation!!! That's a paid service!!! Do you give drach a percentage of that since NONE of you would be anything without him? Of course not.
So what's my point? I'm suggesting that we start punishing those who beg for donations by removing the PRIVILEGE (yes it is a privilege) of allowing them to post donation links. Secondly, anyone who does nothing but complain should be removed from xda. I know these are extreme requests but this is an extreme problem. 9 times out of 10 a thread either starts or ends because of these issues. It's getting ridiculous. Please take these suggestions in to consideration. This is damaging the community in a huge way and personally I'm sick of it. I don't want this to be an argument thread. We all know what specific instances I'm talking about so there's no need to bring up the problems. I'm only interested in finding a solution. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
Sincerely James.
"Tankers lead the way!"
my signature is better than yours

THANK YOU! If I only I was educated enough in writing like that, that is exactly my thoughts! THANK YOU!
As for the donations, like in my signature, after I post this about 5 seconds from now it'll be gone. All I want is to be educated. In fact for those of you who know I breakdance (*cough* *cough* my avatar pictuer *cough*) my breakdance name is even BBOY KNOWLEDGE! Ask anyone who knows me in the dance world they'll tell you I want nothing but to be educated in knowledgable in all areas of the world that interest me, use that knowledge to help, and educate others as much as I can. That is all I stand for. THE ABOVE POST IS PURE AWESOME-NESS DUDE
- Kifno

I agree that there is a difference between a donation and and a paid service...please report any posts or instances when that line gets blurry or if someone is all out selling their work here...we will take care of it.
With so many new devices it brings so many new people to XDA and our job (yours and mine) is to educate them about what XDA is all about. I have moved this thread to general and read your comments. Please report such posts so we can take care of problems.
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i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol

Bierce22 said:
i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol
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I disagree, the devs like $, it's motivating, and I'm sure it feels better than a thanks. Now, me personally, I got over 2000 posts and 200 thanks BEFORE putting a donate above my name. I have never and will never ASK for a donation, since I don't "dev". BUT obviously I help lots of people, so if someone felt inclined to push the button, I won't argue. It is entirely likely that I would simply donate it back to xda, since I beleive they deserve the $ more than me, and few dollars will not affect my life. Some users may find it more comforting knowing they are donating directly to a person who has provided them either a developed item (ROM,theme,etc) or help - publicly or via PM. It is for that reason I intend to keep my donate button. It takes more care to donate than it does to say thanks. I have given many thanks, but I have also donated north of $150 to devs and xda. I think that if used properly and NOT abused, donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.

il Duce said:
I disagree... have never and will never ASK for a donation....donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.
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I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
Peace
- Kifno

kifno said:
I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
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- Kifno
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Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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user7618 said:
Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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I'm on XDA Forums, the #1 Android Community! It's free, and its not up to me to share it, its available for everyone and I'd recommend it to everyone who owns an android. Everyone is on what I'm on
- Kifno

Save the honeycomb

As you all know we have a very basic form of honeycomb that has some issues, and only 1 person working on the project (Oldmacnut) whom recently was involved in an accident at work and is running into some financial troubles.
I have a suggestion for those who want to Save the HC project i was wondering how many people are willing to pledge and follow through with some donations to help Oldmacnut ( Just so everyone knows I don't know the guy and none of this idea came from him).
Ive seen posts in forums looking for devs for hire a bounty if you will with offers from many people that added up to $3000.00 <--now that's a nice chunk of change. Mind you this donation wasn't even for a rom it was a modem i know not everyone has money to give but ill be the first to pledge $10 to this fund anyone whom want to join me pleas post your amount your willing lets set a goal of at least $1000 so with me were at $990.
Mailing Address:
Donations Coordinator:
No Mailing Address
oldmacnut
This Payment will appear on your credit card statement as "PayPal *OLDMACNUT"
Confirmation Number: 0V1533719M744341E Placed on Oct 4, 2011
Purpose Donation
amount
Donation XDA Forums $10.00 USD
Total Amount: $10.00 USD
Thank you oldmacnut for all your hard work and dedication

Id pay £20

It sounds like the dev work on the SGT is getting to him. I don't feel like pushing him to go any further than he already has is going to be good for anyone.
Let the man bow out, he has done a lot for us already, far more than samsung and our carriers have done for sure.
I know the feeling of something that was once a hobby becomeing a chore...I don't want to pressure anyone to do that to themselves.
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ya I hear ya and even if he doesnt continue a nice send off from xda would be nice hes put alot of time helping us. To be honest if this did save HC that would be nice and if it didnt i still think this man has earned his due and even if im the only one to openly donate i know there are alot of good people on here will see the same good and send thanks his way

beestee said:
It sounds like the dev work on the SGT is getting to him. I don't feel like pushing him to go any further than he already has is going to be good for anyone.
Let the man bow out, he has done a lot for us already, far more than samsung and our carriers have done for sure.
I know the feeling of something that was once a hobby becomeing a chore...I don't want to pressure anyone to do that to themselves.
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Nah, i wouldnt say it got to me, id say i had to take a break because I feel i was wrong in coming unglued one day, for no reason.
Im running the HC build on my tab right now, kinda loving it, the froyo/gb **** is kinda old.
Waiting on a few thousand more downloads (lol) to see about testing new **** out.
the work wasnt the problem 90% of the time, what was the problem, was my email, PM's, gtalk, etc all blowing up with the mosty dumb ****ing questions, that i had addressed in the thread on how to install.....on how to install. lame i know.
lol, i guess not everyone can be a rocket scientist

"lol, i guess not everyone can be a rocket scientist"
True, but even a 5 year old can follow instructions.....

oldmacnut said:
Nah, i wouldnt say it got to me, id say i had to take a break because I feel i was wrong in coming unglued one day, for no reason.
Im running the HC build on my tab right now, kinda loving it, the froyo/gb **** is kinda old.
Waiting on a few thousand more downloads (lol) to see about testing new **** out.
the work wasnt the problem 90% of the time, what was the problem, was my email, PM's, gtalk, etc all blowing up with the mosty dumb ****ing questions, that i had addressed in the thread on how to install.....on how to install. lame i know.
lol, i guess not everyone can be a rocket scientist
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you heard it from the man him self lets try to keep this alive save the honey comb.

Id gladly donate to keep it alive, but alas the flamefest pissed him off rightfully so. Saw his cm7 post and credit was properly given. Some people just want it all. Oldmacnut ive said it before ...Thank You for all youve done. You will be missed

ya man it was a wild night of flames oldmacnut did alot for us but there are greener pastures for him

Development support thread

Hi guys...
We all saw what Sony policy to release new flagship device every six months did for development - basically - it screwed us.
Our main developers spread on XDA and future development for many devices could be very slow...
Also, we saw what happened with Xperia Z3 development, Z3 is great device but without best developers, themers or supporters there won't be custom ROMs, themes or MODs designed for it.
I talked to @niaboc79 and @serajr and offered some help.
My plan is to open on bounty thread, not for root, not for ROMs, themes or anything specifically...but to keep those two wizards in our team.
That way we'll get all the things I mentioned above.
The idea is to raise money or to be precise, donate money to Niaboc paypal account and support them.
That money will be for next Xperia devices, most likely called Xperia Z4. (two devices, one for Niaboc and one for Serajr).
This way we could be 100% sure we'll have best Xperia developers for the future.
If someone thinks we are doing a favor to them - think again.
ROM developing and MODs developing (Xposed modules) developing aren't easy and takes a lot of free time and we should be thankful and happy to have opportunity to keep those guys near.
XDA has changed, we aren't team anymore and that's not good...
But I believe we still have great guys here who knows what we are getting with this.
It's absolutely not important would you donate 1$ or 100$, what's important is your support.
We have hundreds, maybe even thousands of Xperia users who are planning to upgrade their device to Z4 and if we all support this idea and donate few bucks - we'll achieve our goal.
As I said, donation account will be Niaboc paypal account.
And I'm asking him to keep tracks about donations and post them here.
Thank you all for support!
I'm 100% sure we can do this and I'm 100% sure we are doing great thing.
If you are using Xperia Xposed by Serajr or eXistenZ or Xperia (no matter which one) you'll know I'm right
We all know who is Niaboc and who is Serajr, if you have any questions or what to ask them something (thread related) - I'm sure they'll response quickly.
@niaboc79 and @serajr
Could you please tell few words and confirm you are accepting this.
Thank you all.... And long live Xperia
We'll need all the resources in the future, among everything else - rooting method/exploit holes will be extremely hard to find and we need every help we can find.
I'll donate 40$ tomorrow, I hope there'll be many of us who'll join me...
Please, send your donations to Paypay account:
[email protected]
We'll keep tracks here, not to show who donate more but to say thank you to all who helped...
DONATIONS
@funky0308 - 30$
@lagania - 1$
TOTAL:
= 31$

You don't know who those two guys are?
Well, you are probably new Xperia users - so welcome to Xperia family.
Click on this @niaboc79 or watch this video (it's not latest but you'll get the picture who is this magician)
Sony Xperia Z3 ROM On Sony Xperia Z2 - eXistenz R…: http://youtu.be/G1JAzjQ0yM0
Same goes for @serajr
Watch this video and you'll understand why we are supporting this guy as well.
Serajr Xperia Xposed - Z3 Home "Hide Apps Drawer"…: http://youtu.be/SwtWSVOu0vc
This is just one of millions functions in this fantastic Xposed module.

I hope all goes well. Its a shame i cant donate i am only 14 yrs of age and i dont get lots of pocket money. I wish i could help.
Have a great rest of your day,
Thanks,
Mohamed

Totally agree!
It's just an honor for me to be remembered! Thank you so much buddy... you're amazing!
As I told you before and now again I confirm... whatever the outcome, all of you will have my full support, as I have always done in recent years.
And if xposed do not reach lollipop, things will be put into practice with oldschool modding method... smali editing!!
Long live Xperia development!

moman2000 said:
I hope all goes well. Its a shame i cant donate i am only 14 yrs of age and i dont get lots of pocket money. I wish i could help.
Have a great rest of your day,
Thanks,
Mohamed
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It's perfectly fine mate - this is support as well.
Sometimes few good words helps more then all the money of the world...

We are a community, that means that we must help others.
Serajr and me are working hard to bring you as much as we can but we need devices to work on.
The Xperia users doesn't have many developpers because Sony phones aren't as popular as Samsung or HTC.
I am motivated to keep supporting you so if all users are giving us even a few bucks we will be able to buy devices and work for you
Thanks
Cheers

funky0308 said:
It's perfectly fine mate - this is support as well.
Sometimes few good words helps more then all the money of the world...
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Thx, that means alot to me.

Sounds good
I do believe we should mostly prioratize Z2 in development still
Its growing and we should continue to contribute to it growing.
We have Omni Rom on the way along with Multi-Rom thanks to Myself5 and Oliver
Now even if these two dont get finished any time soon you can see proof of their contributions/hardwork in github toward other users
Perhaps these two deserve to be on the list @funky0308

Envious_Data said:
Sounds good
I do believe we should mostly prioratize Z2 in development still
Its growing and we should continue to contribute to it growing.
We have Omni Rom on the way along with Multi-Rom thanks to Myself5 and Oliver
Now even if these two dont get finished any time soon you can see proof of their contributions/hardwork in github toward other users
Perhaps these two deserve to be on the list @funky0308
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Absolutely agree...but we'll have to work hard on PR to kick that little greedy person in all of us to understand we can't continue without developmers support and to donate and support.
We saw last bounty thread (for Z2 buying), we hardly raised for two devices.
If you ask me, I would buy 20 devices and would give them to many developers and contributors...but...
If we add few devs more here, we will stuck at the beginning and failed.
I really hope I'm wrong but I doubt.
When we raise more then 1000-1500$ I'll gladly add few devs more to list.
This is day two and still no informations about donations (read : no donations for now)...
XDA isn't about paying someone to get root or ROM, we should support our developers every day, with a simple word or a few bucks - only then we'll have great community that could work together.
It's not about money but it's ridiculous to expect devs will buy every Xperia Sony release (even he didn't planned that) just to work "for us".

funky0308 said:
Absolutely agree...but we'll have to work hard on PR to kick that little greedy person in all of us to understand we can't continue without developmers support and to donate and support.
We saw last bounty thread (for Z2 buying), we hardly raised for two devices.
If you ask me, I would buy 20 devices and would give them to many developers and contributors...but...
If we add few devs more here, we will stuck at the beginning and failed.
I really hope I'm wrong but I doubt.
When we raise more then 1000-1500$ I'll gladly add few devs more to list.
This is day two and still no informations about donations (read : no donations for now)...
XDA isn't about paying someone to get root or ROM, we should support our developers every day, with a simple word or a few bucks - only then we'll have great community that could work together.
It's not about money but it's ridiculous to expect devs will buy every Xperia Sony release (even he didn't planned that) just to work "for us".
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True but i was planning on trying to get my self a Xperia Z4 primarily for development reasons.(you can ask people who know me if you want proof)
My plan is to build cwm and twrp for Z4 with the help of @Abhinav2
Oliver im not sure if he would want to dev for Z4 and same goes for myself5 but if we have them onboard we can atleast expect multi-rom/cm11,cm12/Omni-Rom
@funky0308
If we are going to get devs devices then we need to get atleast the foundation devs
These devs are the ones who get the initial important things out there and doomlord is an example of this, for Z2 he brought very worthwhile devs to Xperia Z2 and faux was one, his contributions here are large
If you want proof this is for development and not greed then i can give you proof

Envious_Data said:
True but i was planning on trying to get my self a Xperia Z4 primarily for development reasons.(you can ask people who know me if you want proof)
My plan is to build cwm and twrp for Z4 with the help of @Abhinav2
Oliver im not sure if he would want to dev for Z4 and same goes for myself5 but if we have them onboard we can atleast expect multi-rom/cm11,cm12/Omni-Rom
@funky0308
If we are going to get devs devices then we need to get atleast the foundation devs
These devs are the ones who get the initial important things out there and doomlord is an example of this, for Z2 he brought very worthwhile devs to Xperia Z2 and faux was one, his contributions here are large
If you want proof this is for development and not greed then i can give you proof
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Hehe....no one needs prof, we all know you are and who are all the guys you have mentioned.
This idea and thread is attempt to keep two guys who are very frisky on Z2, stock based development.
After hours and hours of corresponding and talking to XDA users we agreed to one thing - we need LB dev support.
I'm not trying to say Doom isn't important, he is legend of Xperia devices and without his work many things we are using now would not be possible.
As soon as we collect founds for two devices we'll continue to collect money for other developers but we are known to be extremely difficult when we should support devs and give something back...
So, lets wait and see what will happen here.
If someone wants to say "here's xx $ for doomlord" - I'm perfectly fine with it.
But if I added five devs to this bounty, our money would spread all around and we wouldn't do anything...

funky0308 said:
Hehe....no one needs prof, we all know you are and who are all the guys you have mentioned.
This idea and thread is attempt to keep two guys who are very frisky on Z2, stock based development.
After hours and hours of corresponding and talking to XDA users we agreed to one thing - we need LB dev support.
I'm not trying to say Doom isn't important, he is legend of Xperia devices and without his work many things we are using now would not be possible.
As soon as we collect founds for two devices we'll continue to collect money for other developers but we are known to be extremely difficult when we should support devs and give something back...
So, lets wait and see what will happen here.
If someone wants to say "here's xx $ for doomlord" - I'm perfectly fine with it.
But if I added five devs to this bounty, our money would spread all around and we wouldn't do anything...
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In which case bring [NUT] he is someone who can create recoveries for locked bootloader
Im mostly trying to get on the Z4 development bandwagon because i want to learn and contribute, Even though it isnt what your looking for it still helps those who you may not, Xperias always have strong LB support anyways, Xperia S and Z2 are examples i know very well and Xperia S didnt have any of this bounty stuff, it came along with time
Where doomlord usualy provides the first recovery and root methods ill try to since he is so busy and ive found life is hard when no one is there to do the work you cant do.
As for anything else with Z4 ill try to port multi-rom if Myself5 or Oliver wants to help however im not a dev nor a great dev but itll happen with time and patience
Also need i remind you that Xperia Z4 will most likely be releasing with Lollipop so even LB stuff will be hard, you would have to hotboot a recovery just to flash supersu and im not even sure if that can be done on locked bootloader and we definatly do need somone who can find and exploit if this is the case
We may be able to use adb to root but ill have to see on how adb acts in the situations i put it in.
I know you know of my capabilities with LB once i have recovery access @funky0308
Edit- if anyone @[NUT] is important for LB support

Grt initiation @funky0308. I see this is a good opportunity to bring devs to z4.. I have to agree on @Envious_Data on one thing.. Devs like NUT, Olivier, Myself5 are important to be on the list coz first thing, any user on xda will be needing root(lb), a recovery for lb, and custom roms for ub(cm/aosp) and ofc stock based roms.. I am not against niaboc or serajr.. They are grt devs n i am a big fan of their work.. I'm just trying to expand the list since we would be needing more devs in Z4.. I wish i could be any help in donating, but i am still a student. But atleast i hope we can contribute as a community and preserve good devs on xperia.. I remember a lot of good devs moving to sammy/htc.. One such example was letama.. You all remember him.. I suggest adding a few more devs like the ones i mentioned above to the list so that we can improve development.. Again, its just my opinion.. Peace..

I know why I said two names only and why I said those names.
Just check all bounties we had - we were struggling to raise money for two devices (and we failed, Niaboc had to add 60-70% to buy Z2)
I would like to have 10 000$ and to be able to buy device for everyone.
If we expand this list to ten names we won't do anything.
Who wants to support this - support, who don't want - just don't...
We have many great devs and contributors, it's impossible to add them all.
I know who is NUT, I know who is doom but if we want to be fair - we'll need someone as @jcase to find exploit in firmware.
For now, Z4 isn't even announced, so please, if you want to support our devs - support them.
It's ridiculous to talk about firmware which isn't announced yet...
We don't know what should we expect...and that's not subject of this thread.
I don't want to buy anything i just want to support guys who gave so much in last few years.
Even if they don't do a single thing on a next Xperia I still want to say tnx.
That's the purpose of this thread not to buy developer who will work 8 hour shift for us.
I said that in OP, this isn't root bounty, it's not ROM developing bounty or anything similar.
It's thread where we can show our appreciation to guys who work on Xperia devices and did amazing things...
So please, please, please....stop doing this - donate few bucks if you can...
This isn't true XDA spirit guys, we shouldn't buy developers, this isn't market..
We are supporting our developers no matter what, we are helping them to buy new device and we are trying to keep them near us.
That way they'll develop and we'll all have something from that.
Thanks

funky0308 said:
I know why I said two names only and why I said those names.
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Thanks
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Like said atleast try to get the initial important people first, you cant realy do much with LB if you dont have root or recovery for it, same goes with UB, you need a recovery either way.
Im sceptical since the device will release with lollipop.
Then we can go for other people.

Envious_Data said:
Like said atleast try to get the initial important people first, you cant realy do much with LB if you dont have root or recovery for it, same goes with UB, you need a recovery either way.
Im sceptical since the device will release with lollipop.
Then we can go for other people.
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Mate, please tell me, or show me when doom find exploit and rooted LB Xperia.
Do same for NUT please.
NUT is great guy but he was using phils and dooms work.
He did awesome things, just like doom but jcase did what you are talking about, not doom, nor NUT.
We'll see what will happen.
This is thanks thread to guys who did fantastic job.
Number of tnx on latest ROM by Niaboc and lateat Xposed module by Serajr said everything.
We will need many developers here, that's true.
So donate 40-50$ and lets expand this list.
I will donate today and I'm perfectly fine with list expand but lets show we are really on this.
When this bounty shows 500-600$ we can talk further...
It's easy to write names but I haven't seen a single dollar to confirm your statement.
We need devs...yes, we need them, show that, don't only write names.

funky0308 said:
We'll see what will happen.
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Fair enough, atleast you understand my current point.
Lets wait and see.
My last point mostly acted on LB support.

Envious_Data said:
Fair enough, atleast you understand my current point.
Lets wait and see.
My last point mostly acted on LB support.
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As I said...
This was my plan...
But if anyone wants to donate to someone else (here), that's perfectly fine and it's more then welcome.
Lets start and buy (raise money) first two devices...if we can buy more then two devices - fantastic...
No one would be happier then me if we could buy 20 devices.. But lets start...
Every suggestion is welcomed, absolutely but lets keep this simple and lets have fun here...

funky0308 said:
As I said...
This was my plan...
But if anyone wants to donate to someone else (here), that's perfectly fine and it's more then welcome.
Lets start and buy (raise money) first two devices...if we can buy more then two devices - fantastic...
No one would be happier then me if we could buy 20 devices.. But lets start...
Every suggestion is welcomed, absolutely but lets keep this simple and lets have fun here...
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This may be planning way far ahead but im going to be buying a new device in a year and a half and i was thinking of creating a bounty list to atleast get [NUT] just because its not easy at all making recoveries for LB

Good idea @funky0308.. We should expand the list after we get more donations.. I agree wit u.. :thumbup: