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Bin4ry's X10 donation thread

I have started this thread because I believe it would be a crying shame to lose the skill of Bin4ry from the freex10 team.
I am positive if everyone was to donate a small amount, 5 or 10 of your currency, we would collectively be able to in effect purchase the x10 and let Bin4ry keep it.
All donations are to be made to Bin4ry this thread is here only to see how much we can raise to let Bin4ry keep his x10 and continue in the development of the phone.
This is purely down to choice if YOU want to no one is forcing you, if enough can not be raised I will see what I can do but please help if you can no matter how small and post here you intention.
Please help, we need Bin4ry and his skills TARGET 200
PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE NOR DOES IT FORM ANY PART OF A GUARANTEE, this pledge is merely if you want to, and that you understand it we only give Bin4ry the option to continue developing on the x10 when he wishes. Instead of losing him all together he will continue to develop when his time allows. This is nothing more than a gesture from us none devs and a way of us helping a dev for a change. BUT PLEASE DO NOT THINK THIS WILL GUARANTEE ANYTHING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T other than Bin4ry will still be able to develop for us when he wishes.
Thanks

He said himself he just wants to move on to a new challenge.. Leave him be

fiscidtox said:
He said himself he just wants to move on to a new challenge.. Leave him be
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Agreed. He wants to move on.
EDIT: According to chiefy009, Bin4ry would stay if you can raise enough money. I can donate USD $10.

Had a message from Bin4ry he will stay if we raise enough. I will donate 20sterling once we reach the total donations I will notify Bin4ry and we can make donations
200 needed I will donate 20
Only 180 needed easy if people can manage 5-10 each
Come on lets not lose a Dev like bin4ry

This thread had been cancelled until I had a message form Bin4ry please pledge what you can if you want to keep Bin4ry trying to crack the x10 along with Jerpela, Z and the others
once all pledges have been made I will either make up the difference or we can just click donate on Bin4ry

I'll give in £10 (British) if he would stay

Ill throw in 20 dollars canadian
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I give £20 (British)
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Thankyou
So far £50 British and 20dollars we will be there in no time

$20 US from me.

OMG, you guys are really crazy aren't you?
As i said this is a nice idea, but i'm still not sure if i should feel comfortable with getting money from you just for staying with my X10.
Offcourse:
As i said, if you can manage to clear my account balance i will stay, as promised.
But are you REALLY sure that this is needed? And are you REALLY sure that you know that i cannot make any promises (except i will not stop working on X10!)
There will never be any promise that the X10 will get cracked fully and that the bypass will function fully!
I just want to clear this before accepting money from you guys
Best Regards
Bin4ry

Bin4ry said:
OMG, you guys are really crazy aren't you?
As i said this is a nice idea, but i'm still not sure if i should feel comfortable with getting money from you just for staying with my X10.
Offcourse:
As i said, if you can manage to clear my account balance i will stay, as promised.
But are you REALLY sure that this is needed? And are you REALLY sure that you know that i cannot make any promises (except i will not stop working on X10!)
There will never be any promise that the X10 will get cracked fully and that the bypass will function fully!
I just want to clear this before accepting money from you guys
Best Regards
Bin4ry
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Bin4ry we are aware but we stand more chance of it being cracked with you sticking around, we would do the same to keep J, Z maxfron and all the others, the x10 doesnt have that many devs and to lose one of your skill would be damaging to its chances, if enough of us are willing and get close within the next 2 weeks what ever is left i will try to make up end of the month.
I said that figure was 200 is this correct ??
If i could code i would and i probably wouldnt do this, but i cant so this is my way of helping and everyone else's

chiefy009 said:
Bin4ry we are aware but we stand more chance of it being cracked with you sticking around, we would do the same to keep J, Z maxfron and all the others, the x10 doesnt have that many devs and to lose one of your skill would be damaging to its chances, if enough of us are willing and get close within the next 2 weeks what ever is left i will try to make up end of the month.
I said that figure was 200 is this correct ??
If i could code i would and i probably wouldnt do this, but i cant so this is my way of helping and everyone else's
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Ok,
but still i don't know if i should feel comfortable with that.
See others like J,Z etc. (you named them), are working hard on this too. And they won't get anything. So i think it simply is not really fair!
See:
I decided to leave, to find a new phone and play with new things.
Others like J&Z are still developing hard for you and others.
Now i will get an amount of money, because i decided to go and offcourse i can not afford a new phone without selling the old one, and they won't get because they still stay here.
See my problem? Yes i understand well the goal is just to help me stay here AND have a new phone. And i really think that this idea is really good and nice!
AND i appreciate that many people here would donate their hard worked money to me!
But the above problem will stay, others will feel skipped or atleast feel a little sad. It seems like they will be "punished" because they stay here.
THATS my problem with the donation thing to be honest
And be sure, with j&z you have 2 real good developers here, you don't need much you just need GOOD ones
Best Regards
Andreas

Bin4ry said:
Ok,
but still i don't know if i should feel comfortable with that.
See others like J,Z etc. (you named them), are working hard on this too. And they won't get anything. So i think it simply is not really fair!
See:
I decided to leave, to find a new phone and play with new things.
Others like J&Z are still developing hard for you and others.
Now i will get an amount of money, because i decided to go and offcourse i can not afford a new phone without selling the old one, and they won't get because they still stay here.
See my problem? Yes i understand well the goal is just to help me stay here AND have a new phone. And i really think that this idea is really good and nice!
AND i appreciate that many people here would donate their hard worked money to me!
But the above problem will stay, others will feel skipped or atleast feel a little sad. It seems like they will be "punished" to stay here.
THATS my problem with the donation thing to be honest
And be sure, with j&z you have 2 real good developers here, you don't need much you just need GOOD ones
Best Regards
Andreas
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yes but they get donations from many of us and buy new hardware and software with it, over a period of time the donations will all even out, allow us to do our bit to help freex10, by helping devs like you stay with the project and still get what you want a new phone
this is us mere mortals way of helping and doing our bit

£50 sterling
$40 dollars
and counting

lets be a bit realistic here, sure bin4ry leaving us is a big loss but there is a reason that hes getting a new phone.
he's simply tired of the x10 and want to explore something else I suppose, which means he wont have any motivation to spend any time on the x10 at all.

Dmaxon said:
lets be a bit realistic here, sure bin4ry leaving us is a big loss but there is a reason that hes getting a new phone.
he's simply tired of the x10 and want to explore something else I suppose, which means he wont have any motivation to spend any time on the x10 at all.
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and you are Bin4ry? Don't speak for him! And maby start read before post, Bin4ry is saying that he like to keep working if we can help him, but he feel bad against the other devs like J & Z etc. But IMO J & Z got a lot of donation so I don't think you should feel bad for it Bin4ry..
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Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted​

Dmaxon said:
lets be a bit realistic here, sure bin4ry leaving us is a big loss but there is a reason that hes getting a new phone.
he's simply tired of the x10 and want to explore something else I suppose, which means he wont have any motivation to spend any time on the x10 at all.
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Sssssshhhhh not donating why post?
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guys calm down, ofcourse its your choise to donate or not.
according to me its just a waste of cash and to be honest, I kinda feel sorry for bin4ry to have all this pressure of you guys donating for him just to stay.

Dmaxon said:
guys calm down, ofcourse its your choise to donate or not.
according to me its just a waste of cash and to be honest, I kinda feel sorry for bin4ry to have all this pressure of you guys donating for him just to stay.
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Its not pressure. We donate to j and z do they feel pressure? NO
Why post to cause problems? You don't agree that's up to you but why post about it no one cares.
Once we get enough pledges then we will offer it to bin4ry because we are happy to do it no other reason. If you aren't move along simple really
LET ME STRESS PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
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Say thanks to your favourite developer(s)!

Okay, so you are told to press the thanks button when you want to say thanks. But sometimes you want to say more. So here, you can say thanks to a (bunch of) developer(s) of your choice
So first of all, I'm saying thanks to DooMLoRD, for always keeping me on my toes when it comes to kernel development. He is more experienced than I and if I need some help he will help me
Second, to the devs that have the R800x, because I truly do feel sorry for you guys. But with the limited resources Verizon provided you with, you have done a great job.
I also want to say thanks especially to paxChristos, who just became a team mate of mine. His determination to get something done is unbelievable, and if you do something well, he will thank you well for it.
Lastly, I want to say thanks to Sony, for the Official ICS beta, I think we are your beta testers now And to KalleD especially, for providing a link between unofficial and official developers, a strong one. Its a shame you can't give Verizon a good kick up the arse though.
Keiran
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ PLAY using Tapatalk 2

I would like to say thanks to you Keiron for all your efforts and hard work!! you've made some brilliant ROMs and kernals.
Also thanks to:
Pricey2009
Nicholtus
Atarii
DoomLord
Logseman
ICX
FXP
all for the same reason really if it wasn't for all these devs putting their time and efforts in for us (and for free!) we would be stuck on sony's firmware (Not saying its crap or anything - i just like to have more choice)
Last of all Thanks to Sony (again) for all their support towards the open source community!!

Thanks ti jjdoctor and acocalypso.
Your ICS rom id great

Thx pvyparts

I specially want to thank pricey2009 for making it possible to use my favorite rom MIUI on my xplay..and offcourse doomlord and you Keiran for your awesome support for our device..cheers..
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When I bought my Galaxy S, it was just the time when the phone's development picked up heavily. I started with the OCLF of Ryanza which made it faster than my brain could handle at first.
From there on I started to see what was happening around me. I saw the incredible Voodoo Project made by supercurio, which turned a good phone into a work of art, with its speed, color display and sound capabilities increased by several orders of magnitude.
And then I started following Darky. He was at first yet another theme/mod developer of the many, but then he started building something big. Passionate words, an insane update rhythm and a really cool look won me for his cause, and eventually for his tester team. His ROM grew so popular that he eventually has to create his own forum in order to manage the huge community built around it. I learned a lot of things as a tester, but what was most important is appreciating how Darky actually took a bunch of mostly clueless enthusiasts and turned them (us) into people able and willing to contribute in a fairly big measure, not because he taught us stuff directly, but because we all had to push ourselves to new reaches every day, in many aspects.
With that experience in mind, and now that a year is almost past, I can say that such knowledge, plus what I've learned, has made me not quite skilled as to be a developer (sorry, elspanish, I don't belong in that list ) but really understanding and appreciative of what developing, and particularly troubleshooting, entails beyond code.
The developers and teams that have worked seriously on our phone have been already mentioned, so I won't repeat names. All I want to say is, if you're young and eager and you're thinking about starting to develop stuff for a phone, be it the Xperia Play or any other, by all means give it a try: maybe you won't make the ultimate content for your platform (although you should aim there!), maybe you won't earn more than a couple thanks in your bar (which is not your objective anyways), but you will learn a great lot, and especially you will learn things after typing the last line of code, which are the really useful and enriching ones.
Lots of love, good luck, and start your engines.
XPlay-Swype

Thanking the following devs, although I just KNOW I'll leave someone off my list accidently!
Supervenom - for bringing the AOKICS Beta 2.3b ROM to the table. (although that ICS Beta part was a bit misleading, since it's really CM)
KeiranFTW - especially for the 4/18/2012 ICS Kernel!
DooMLoRD - for ALL your kernels !!
paxChristos - For taking up where Chevyowner left off with the CDMA for CM9 dev
Chevyowner - Miss you, man
Leraeniesh - For GBTweaked of course and for trying with ICSTweaked.
FXP - you know why
Krabappel2548 - No wonder I forgot you at first; that's one heck of a name to remember. But not as bad as "Leraeneish"
Sony - but I wish you would kick some CDMA lovin' our way !!
Anyone else who makes an effort to help out the R800x group - that crimson-follicled bairn of questionable parentage.

netizenmt said:
that crimson-follicled bairn of questionable parentage.
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Stay classy, netizenmt.
Honestly, I would be doing a great injustice to all who develop and aspire to become developers by listing individuals' names here. After all, in the spirit of open source, I'd have to start with Google, cyanogen, and to any other developer who's ever started a project that we've stolen borrowed from.
Instead of giving individual thanks, I'll tell a little story. My first android phone was an LG Ally. Not much in the way of a development scene there, but we had some incredibly awesome developers, Trident being the first and foremost, in my mind. Then I moved on to the Samsung Fascinate. If anyone has looked over in their section of XDA, development is still going strong. I still have my Fascinate, but I switched to the Play on an upgrade simply for its gamepad. (I don't need to tell you why, do I?) It was this phone that made me stop and really appreciate the development that goes on with a phone, especially one that was pretty much designed to prevent such things from happening. In fact, after seeing the dedication that this phone has gotten from all of the developers here, it's inspired me to start learning more about development and the Android's system, itself. I would be much more learned by now if I wasn't so lazy about reading up on the stuff. (However, if one of you developers is willing to take me on as an apprentice, hit me up!)
So not only do I thank the developers for this phone, but developers for every phone available. We can't forget the community, though. Despite it's few exceptions, this particular phone's community is very tight-knit and helpful, even when it comes to keeping the lulz coming.

lightningdude said:
Stay classy, netizenmt.
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Class is my Middle Name!

speeeeeeeeecial thank to yifanlu for psxpria

Don't forget the people that started it all for play
Blagus (too much to mention)
Bin4ry (first recovery)(root)
+ The rest of the free Xperia team (CM)
Androxyde (flashtool)
Yifanlu (PSXperia)
Thomassafca (themes)
Frasertag (first custom Rom)
Sony Ericsson (the best phone/handheld game console)
+ more
Some people Mentioned already
Doom (Kernals)
ICX team (ice everything)
Of course Kieran FTW (darkforest)
+ loads more
Big respect to all that made the play what it is today
Don't forget Big No thanks to the worst thread that this forum section has ever seen made by dude above (my play has Hdmi) glad that has vanished
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I specialy like to thanks to doomlord and keifran,and all who made r&d to xperia play,kernel and rom and a lot more,
Sent from my R800i using Tapatalk 2

thanks to
i would like to say thanks to retard and dzo they are my favorite developers since they develop staf for my phone. so thank you guyz keep up the good work!

I'm gonna say thanks to everybody...
Not just the devs but every user on this site, the creators of this place and anyone who has helped me or given me advice.
Everyone is nice (well, can't judge tone of voice via text ) and helpful
Corny as it may sound, this is the best forum I've used and the XDA app is my most used by far
Keep up the good work devs
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Not everyone on my list is necessarily a developer, some are just helpful people.
I would like to thank;
Bin4ry and Androxhyde, for the ever-so-useful flashtool.
DooMLorD, for his awesome kernels and quality of work despite working on so many devices simultaneously, and his one-click script for the ZergRush root exploit.
KeiranFTW, for taking the time during his busy school life to make great roms, and accompanying kernels. Also a great tweak app.
Blagus, for his work regarding bootloader unlocking and the Omnius program.
Alejandrissimo, for helping people unlock their phones remotely using his SETool dongle, and not even turning a real profit.
pvyparts, for his work with the locked bootloader CWM installer, and the T.E.A.M. ROM
Yifanlu for his native PS emulator work.
Paul for his n64 emulator, which is the only one to use the touchpads correctly
Iridaki, for their work with T.E.A.M. and themed apps.
Nabeel_Nabs, for his great ICS theme.
Thomassafca, for his AWESOME themes for both gingerbread and ICS
paxChristos for his work with the Verizon (cdma) models
Logseman, for helping noobs learn about Android and the xperia play.
AndroHero, also for helping people learn how to do cool things with their phones
Sent from a Galaxy far, far away

Thanks... to those who contributed in making the XPlay a more useable phone... especially for PSX games... shez, when are they going to expand the Playstation suite? Maybe never?

**** [Petition + Poll] ICS Sources for Xperia PLAY **** NO COMPLAINING

I would like to start a petition for Sony to release the latest sources for Xperia PLAY to the community. I am disappointed by the news but I completely understand and agree. The gamepad is the major reason for this phone and by developers not updating their games to ICS caused all sorts of stability issues.
So I figure for now lets see if we can get the sources and let the XDA devs have a grand old time picking it apart and seeing what awesome goodness they can do with it!
ICS is nice eye candy and I for one found better results on GB then ICS, probably becuase I am on CDMA. But still I would love for everyone to have the option of using some custom ROMs sourced from the latest sources. Everyone who is game (pun) please sign below if you agree. And PLEASE DO NOT COMPLAIN ON THIS THREAD. This thread is about looking positive, moving on and hoping for the best. This phone is still awesome an I still absolutely love my device.
Also there is a poll, choose whether or not you want the sources.
So again.................
*****PLEASE DO NOT COMPLAIN ON THIS THREAD*****
***Just noticed right before i finished this post there was another post for a petition, did not mean to make a double post, but this post also has a POLL. Everyone please use the POLL in addition to signing below. Thank you****
As SuperNoodles2011 has made a poll on the Official Sony Forum. (Thank you SuperNoodles2011)
talk.sonymobile.com/thread/38157?tstart=0
ANY POST THAT IS NEGATIVE TOWARDS SONY WILL BE DELETED AND YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED BY A MOD, THIS THREAD IS FOR ASKING SONY TO RELEASE THE SOURCES IN A POSITIVE WAY, NEGATIVE COMMENTS WILL NOT MOTIVATE SONY TO WANT TO HELP

Sony, thank you for your efforts with ICS for our phone. I would like to respectfully request though that the latest ICS sources be released to the Android community to let those who choose to conitnue with, that they may do so.

And if possible, allow us to help you find a solution to improve overall user experience, and push for a later ICS release.

i made a thread about this already but its np but inside my post is a link to a request on the official sony forums so feel free to take the link from that and post it in this thread and also write on that post saying you want it

supernoodles2011 said:
i made a thread about this already but its np but inside my post is a link to a request on the official sony forums so feel free to take the link from that and post it in this thread and also write on that post saying you want it
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Thank you....

sony please release the sources for the community here

if sources would be released i am sure that developers could release a better Rom then sony themself since sony puts so much BS on their Stock rom that not nessacry

IMO If we won't get the official update, I think Sony must give us a chance between stay in the latest official Gingerbread rom or install an official custom ICS rom under our own risk.

I want them to release the sources too! I understand their decision but at least they should give us their latest sources

I understand Sony's decision and thank them for giving us a Beta to test ICS on our devices. But I would love to see what xda-developers could do with our phone having the latest source code.

SONY: If you want to give up then it's fine, Just give us the latest sources as I hope there was some progress made after the beta was released. We have some great Devs that can do a lot with whatever has been done so far. As you may know this is a major disappointment to the Xperia play owners so at least give us a shot. It's really not too much to ask.

cyrusalmighty said:
SONY: If you want to give up then be my guest Just give us the latest sources unless you stopped development sometime back around your early release of the beta in which point keep them to yourselve as Ive already lost enough respect for your treatment of the paying customer. Hey, I didnt complain.lmao.
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in theory they MUST have some newer ROM for possible bug fixes they have tryed so lets hope we get it

the only reason sony gave us the beta was to confirm what they already thought: ICS on the PLAY is too much effort.
Give us the source code (especially for the touchpads). Open source means open source

i found this rather interesting this post
http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/197288#197288
States that not only will ALL 2011 xperia phones get ICS but they "PROMISE" we will get it
so as they cant promise us a working ICS lets hope we get the latest Rom source

supernoodles2011 said:
i found this rather interesting this post
http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/197288#197288
States that not only will ALL 2011 xperia phones get ICS but they "PROMISE" we will get it...
Wow them broken promises guess i wont be believe that crap again
And nobody can come to me saying Oh sony made you a promise they couldnt keep it its not there fault the phones hardware isnt good enough etc... Why make that post literaly 3-4 days ago if they clearly knew it wasnt gonna happen... they all need to learn to talk to eachother more
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the Xperia Play is as powerful as the Xperia arc.

TheCraig said:
the Xperia Play is as powerful as the Xperia arc.
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my point exactly ... i dont care about the gaming aspect of my phone anymore i hardly use it for that.. and i cant afford a new phone with the same kind or performance or even better :/ i hope they honor there customers i really do
Meanwhile if everyone could use the link in the first post to make your views on it and help show sony we need the ROMS brought here id appreciate it ALOT

I also would like Sony to release the sources for their ICS implementation, assuming they'll refuse to release an official ROM. But I'm not holding my breath. Sony isn't exactly the most open company out there (when Ericsson's share was bought out, I immediately knew I made a mistake having bought this phone).
Well, live and learn [and don't buy Sony].

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in theory they MUST have some newer ROM somewhere otherwise that just proves that they didnt even TRY to update the phone or fix any of the bugs... so they cant say no we dont have it otherwise they prove they are liars so we better see something soon...
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As I have stated in my first post, PLEASE NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS, this is NOT for complaining. This thread is for being positive and respectfully asking Sony for the sources of our phone. Please either re-word your post or I will have a mod remove it.

supernoodles2011 said:
i found this rather interesting this post
http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/197288#197288
States that not only will ALL 2011 xperia phones get ICS but they "PROMISE" we will get it...
Wow them broken promises guess i wont be believe that crap again
And nobody can come to me saying Oh sony made you a promise they couldnt keep it its not there fault the phones hardware isnt good enough etc... Why make that post literaly 3-4 days ago if they clearly knew it wasnt gonna happen... they all need to learn to talk to eachother more
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As I have stated in my first post, PLEASE NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS, this is NOT for complaining. This thread is for being positive and respectfully asking Sony for the sources of our phone. Please either re-word your post or I will have a mod remove it.

devguy22 said:
I also would like Sony to release the sources for their ICS implementation, assuming they'll refuse to release an official ROM. But I'm not holding my breath. Sony isn't exactly the most open company out there (when Ericsson's share was bought out, I immediately knew I made a mistake having bought this phone).
Well, live and learn [and don't buy Sony].
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As I have stated in my first post, PLEASE NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS, this is NOT for complaining. This thread is for being positive and respectfully asking Sony for the sources of our phone. Please either re-word your post or I will have a mod remove it.

[discussion]Only few developers are active on X10/ Why most of the developers left

I was wondering that why there's only few developers left in x10 community now ???
what may be the reason ???
I am giving two main reasons why is it happening - Support it if you think the reason is correct or if you have some idea post it here
1. Not enough / good appreciation : means if some developers publishing ROM, there are less users who are giving nice word to developer, (I didn't see that much of good words for developers as other phone developer had received...) or people keep complaining about the bugs and some silly things (for example : my phone takes too long time to charge on this rom... Really ??????)
2. Not enough donation to developer(This is the big one) : I didn't see this much truely speaking, a very less developers have donators in x10 community, while i saw in galaxy s3 forums a long list of donators...
Any developers who wanna tell anything about this say it a loud we all are here to support you.....
Anybody want to share something regarding this, feel free....

erm probably due to all the new devices out there. The X10 has been around for a while now.

beanoguy said:
erm probably due to all the new devices out there. The X10 has been around for a while now.
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I know but still lots of users are using X10 and in comparison to users there's only few developers in our X10 community.
Right now its only 6 or 7 developers are active in this thread, and not all developers seems happy as i looked upon the forums.
I see some strong words from developers (No any offence to developer) which is not good for all of us users...

The reason is simple. X10 is an old device, lots of great developers had changed their phone.
Be real, man, no one will keep on developing if they don't own the phone anymore. Even if they want to keep developing. They cannot test without the device. It is not realistic.
There is nothing related to donation or appreciation.
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You're Right, That's totally weird, Maybe it's SE's conspiracy or something, because It's not like the device is almost 3 years old now or something & even if it was it's not like 3 years is a long time in tech & smartphones' world today, I'm telling you guys something really weird might be happening, We have to do something about it, Poor X10 really got neglected unfair

In today's world, the definition of best phone changes every few months then how can you expect a device that is almost 3 years old to have as much as development it had last year. There are exceptions like HD2 but even x10 development is not that bad.
We have cm10,cm9,and roms based on them like aokp, aocp, slimbean etc etc. What more you want??
Also i believe real developers do not work for donations, they work on device because they like to do it.

THeLogiC said:
In today's world, the definition of best phone changes every few months then how can you expect a device that is almost 3 years old to have as much as development it had last year. There are exceptions like HD2 but even x10 development is not that bad.
We have cm10,cm9,and roms based on them like aokp, aocp, slimbean etc etc. What more you want??
Also i believe real developers do not work for donations, they work on device because they like to do it.
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I know we have all the ROMs but What m telling is what is the reason that some developers stop working due to lack of appreciations/ bad behaviour from user
e.g. before some time achotjan was angry because of some guy posted ROM with his name and didnt even give credit to achotjan, and achotjan was out of development for X10 for a while
On the other hand for JB we only have three developers Scritch007, x10forevers and championswimmer. Thank God no body is giving bad review to Scritch007 but on the other hand I saw some people who are even telling x10forevers about not to post new thread and put all the things in one thread, that's really not fare, coz we all know its on developer what he/she wants to do on the other hand inspite of supporting people giving a bad review or idea about the development, one other user told in I guess Paranoid android JB thread that this rom is not stable than why publishing, some users talks about why u using rom that dont have much RAM to run some games and many more....
My point is that if we have few developers left, for sake of GOD, Please Support them, If you don't like ROM than don't use it atleast dont demolarise developers by posting something that is totally not useful.....
My straight point in the OP is : there's a reason why developer is leaving development is some users are totally rediculous to them.....
Lucifer

Oppo Find 5 Needs Developer Help, Donations Will Be Given, Help Make the Oppo Find 5

Oppo Find 5 Needs Developer Help, Donations Will Be Given, Help Make the Oppo Find 5 A Beast Modded With, Roms, Kernels, TWRPs, CWMs, We Need Someone Who Can Do This If You Are Willing To Donate Time To Oppo Find 5, And We Donate CASH.
I know that paperWastage and drewX2 have been doing some awesome work on the Oppo Find 5(OF5), but they cant do everything by themselves. TWRP and CMW are already working, but need updateded I think so. So I came up with an idea last night that would take some of the stress off their back and maybe someone could help them get things going a little faster, of course I will donate and I’m sure other will also. If my idea sounds stupid just delete this thread, I’m just trying to get as much help as we can on development with this device since it has the same CPU and GPU as most devices out today the quad core - S4Pro. The phone cost $499 and if we all pitch in a few bucks we could have the money for this phone to give to a developer who has worked with the S4Pro chipset before and knows most of how it operates and they will know what they are doing with the S4ProChipset. If this sounds like a good idea, I will start off by donating $20 so that that we can order this phone and send it to the developer of our choice. We need a really good dev. that isn’t working on anything right now and can spend some time turning our Oppo Find 5 into a beast.
If everyone agrees to donate a little as you want anything will help we only need $400to get this phone , I have saw more than that raised in one day. I don’t want to be in control of the money someone with a little ore authority here at XDA can do that. So does this sound like a good Idea, If so start getting in contact with some of the best developers that you know and let them know we got a free phone waiting on them and other donation for time and effort.
I WILL ADD NAME IF YOU ANT ME TOO - LIST OF DEVELOPERS. I will add others as people get in touch with the me or other developers and give them either give a YES or NO for committing time to the Oppo Find 5. When list is made we will all vote of which developers to send the phone out to so they can begin development.
1. drewX2 - He is working on Mod of CM10 and he does not even own the Oppo Find 5. Definitely on the top of my lists CM10 WORK http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2197147
2. paperWastage- I think he has Oppo Find 5 already though still dedicating a lot of time and a beer of coffee would be nice.
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If you want your name on the list put in post and I will add it, I only made 10 for now if we need more I will add them later. Hopefully this is something that people consider; you don’t have to donate all kinds of money even $5 will work, Hell $3 will work, anything to get us closer to that $400. Everyone does not need to donate like some people will and donate $20 or $30 dollars. Because right now we need some serious help paperWastage and drewX2 have been doing some awesome work, a couple people can’t do this all by themselves, and if we want to make this phone worth every cent we spent for it, we really need to make this a nice phone that we can flash Roms, Kernels, and all the good stuff then this is a good opportunity to make it happen.

I'd buy a phone for a Dev. I think Entropy512,KamMa NODO-GT and XpLoDWilD already have the phone though....I haven't had a S4 Pro phone before so I don't know any experienced devs,but count me in for $10 a month.

I want to contribute whith my donations.
I´ve already make one to Kamma AOSP´s proyect
My next donation will go to Xplodwild when he launch his new builds of CM10.1

Donations do nothing but fragment the community in almost all situations. In fact, more often than not, users don't even remotely get their money's worth from device donations to developers.
Hell, in my opinion even teamhacksung device donations for CM bringups were bad ideas in the long run - they caused developers who had potential to achieve something to just say "****it, teamhacksung is here, I'll just kang".
If the device is still in a bad state after 4-5 months - yeah, then maybe it's time to start considering donation drives.
But a device that has only had kernel source available for 2-3 weeks? Hell no.
It often takes MONTHS to properly learn a device's ins and outs. You can't just throw devices at developers and immediately have good stuff overnight. More often than not, developers who take donations in advance will just take donations for another device in a month or two - I've seen it all the time.
Don't donate to encourage work to be done - only donate for work that has already been done.
And I'll be blunt - drewx2 should never have created a CM thread here. Blind development almost never works and fails spectactularly instead, especially for a CM bringup. Blind development only works for devices that are 99% identical to one the developer owns (I777 vs. I9100, N8010 vs. N8013, I777 vs. S959G, etc.) His thread is just a donation ploy. Any maintainer with the discipline to do a bringup knows when it is NOT the time to publically release anything because it's nowhere near ready, and also knows that you do NOT do blind development for a CM bringup.

Mod please delete thread, devs should get paid after they show progress in thier work
Mod please delete this thread everything you said made since. Give donation to the people when the work is in progress and completed, and not before I always give donations for devs efforts but you have taught me a lesson.
You know what you are doing Entropy512, you been around awhile, and I wish so bad you had this device even if you would work on it. I really like the phone its badass and its not all that buggy it just needs some kinks ironed out and in my opinion some kernels because this kernel is not running like it should. We need a kernel so we can play with and overclock or underclock with good governors to ramp it up or down.Come on down faux and show-p plus many more.

Can't we all just get along? Work together already.

Okay, enough is enough. This thread has just turned into a playground, as well as being pointless and jumping the gun in the first place. At everyone involved in the arguing, you really do need to stop doing it publicly. At the OP, be patient and see what the developers bring.
Thread closed at OP request.