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Please choose carefully the developers you donate money to. I have a few I would gladly send money to, but the last one cried over spilled Nesquik and left this forum after receiving it, so the ones who have picked up where he left off, will now suffer for it. It's a damn shame too, he was becoming quite the legend, if you searched anywhere on google with the words g1, dream, and rom, his had the most hits, and videos. (Honestly, I think he just needs to get over himself, leaving for the reason he did, is just pathetic and childish) I'm not fishing for a rom update either, as there are much better roms now, just warning everyone, be sure who you are supporting, will use it in a way that benefits the community. Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk, but I also expect that a "hello" now and then is warranted in the forums if you are accepting money from people who don't even know you! My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
You decided to 'donate' out of your own free will. By donating you do not expect anything in return. He doesn't owe you anything just because you donated. Its his free time he's been putting into making those roms and I can't believe you have the nerve to expect him to always be there when you need it just because you donated.
If anything he's a 17 year old teenager. Who had lot of problems with his family and had to deal with school, work and hoardes of idiots who were demanding he update his roms.
It probably started out as fun for him but became a chore, I don't blame him for leaving, especially since the actual REASON he left was because someone he trusted betrayed him and leaked a rom that COULD have gotten someone else fired.
I suggest you keep your donations, the roms and apps are free anyway, no one is forcing you to pay them. If you want to make demands because you donated, you're missing out the whole point of it.
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Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk
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Good
but I also expect
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Well there's your problem. You expected something in return. That's called a payment not a donation.
My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
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Get over yourself.
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A simple poke your head in the door and say "hi" is too much to ask?...yeah..ur right..I should keep it. As I said, I'm not fishing for roms, or asking for tech help, it's like giving a donation to the red cross, and then finding out they closed shop the next day. Them's the breaks I guess!!
P.S. I'm trying to get over myself, but I'm a 350+ lb. fatass, and that's proving to be a difficult task!!!
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Please choose carefully the developers you donate money to. I have a few I would gladly send money to, but the last one cried over spilled Nesquik and left this forum after receiving it, so the ones who have picked up where he left off, will now suffer for it. It's a damn shame too, he was becoming quite the legend, if you searched anywhere on google with the words g1, dream, and rom, his had the most hits, and videos. (Honestly, I think he just needs to get over himself, leaving for the reason he did, is just pathetic and childish) I'm not fishing for a rom update either, as there are much better roms now, just warning everyone, be sure who you are supporting, will use it in a way that benefits the community. Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk, but I also expect that a "hello" now and then is warranted in the forums if you are accepting money from people who don't even know you! My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
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This sounds like you are also crying over spilt milk. Get over him.
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This sounds like you are also crying over spilt milk. Get over him.
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Oh crap..ur right...(takes long look in mirror, then smashes it)...I'm only 15, whatdya expect?
I can see the "yeah right, 350 lb, 15 yr old comments warming up..plz close this thread, maybe delete it, sorry I posted, delete my account.
Dear Eris Users who Are Waiting for Root,
I'd like to start by addressing all of you as a large audience. I may ask certain groups to leave. I hope they will respect that wish and then come back and join the larger group when I am done with each piece.
We all got the Droid Eris from Verizon. We all got it for different reasons. A lot of you, if not all of you, are here because you wanted an HTC phone that was rooted. You wanted the custom roms, the themes, the su privileges. This shining aura that was "root" was so appealing, that you took a plunge and bought the device before any work was really done on that. Now, some of you feel that you should receive, neigh, deserve root. I am so saddened by what this community, Eris users, not XDA, has turned into. The disbelievers, the demanders; what are you still doing here, complaining? Just leave if you have something mean to say.
To everyone: I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you don't have something important, information wise/helpful, to say on the forum, then don't post at all. I try to keep my fingers off the keyboard, and I have for a long time, but I cannot hold my silence. I used to post every day. I used to be excited to get onto XDA and see if something new had happened while I was away. When we got our own section of the forum, I was overjoyed! (Not really, but we needed a section) We had a pristine new subforum to play around in, and we trashed it. Our original root thread had to be closed because of how off topic and ridiculous it was. Our new thread has gone to crap and turned more into a flame war, than a place where we are looking for exploits and posting findings. Sadly, I wouldn't blame XDA for shutting that one down too. We, as a whole, have alienated developers and are now in danger of not getting root for a number of reasons.
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business. Also, those who feel like it's not worth it to wait around, just leave. Don't make an exit if you're sitting around and not helping but you feel the need to announce that you are fed up, or tired of it. Root will come eventually. There has yet to be an android phone that hasn't been hacked, and we will not be the first one.
Lastly, I'm tired of the "HTC NEEDS to release the source code because it's our right to have it" argument. Sure, the source would help, but the iPhone has been hacked again and again and again with no source code. It comes down to good developers, and a thankful community. So, please stop riding that bandwagon. The source code will get here eventually, but you have to be patient.
To those of you who have been helpful: Thank you. To anyone who tried an exploit and posted findings, thank you. To anyone who compiled an exploit, who dumped their phone, who offered help, incite, or even a "keep it up", thank you. That's what a good hacking community does.
To Jmanly, Binny, Zifnab, rigamrts and others: Thank you for everything you've done to help us out. You are all a tribute to being a good forum member. We would not even be a fraction of where we are without Jmanly's guidance and it was sad to see him leave.
Where to go from here: I think we need to restart. Create a new thread where no negative talk will occur, people will only post things that help move us forward and people post their thanks to those who are doing all of us a favor. None of us deserve root. It's not owed to us because we got the phone. We should all be thankful for what some people with the know-how are doing for us. That should be all I have to say. I hope we can change a little bit for the better and maybe we can get back to trying to root.
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Well said!
This is well put.
I can never quite understand the flaming or negative stuff.
I learned when I started out in WinMo Xperia Threads that people hassling or acting "Entitled" while you are working hard on a Mod or Rom or anything can be quite disheartening.
If it can be agreed upon, I would like to open a new thread, for root status and updates. (hopefully for the last time)
Or I can just add it to the bounty thread that is already open (I know and understand that most of us do this for the love of hacking and modding and out of a sense of community, but it is also a nice gesture and could really help someone that devotes time and effort to this)???
I would monitor it constantly and report any flaming and abuse to one of our great moderators immediatley.
What do you think?
here's how i felt when i first got my eris.
i was like great now i can see what's up and possibly help get root for the new addopters cause i did not get my g1 durring the first run. i missed out on the fun times of all the posts of people trying to hack the phone.
so when i first landed in the eris waters it was great the late night whiteboard sessions were fun throwing any idea no matter how idiotic it sounded and going to town. then we had our first 2 casualties jman and me cause some one took it apon himself to attack a guy who didn't even have our phone and was willing to help.
then we had today where that same person took it on himself to flame another dev the same way. now the 7 day ban might calm him down or send the message not to come back. but i thought it sould have been a perma-ban cause of past actions plus the disrespecting of a mod which is a no no. that mod i respect cause he acted profesionally and gave the community hope that this type of behavior will not be tollorated.
hopefully if things keep going in a positive direction i might jump back into fold but feel very heartbroken cause of the few bad apples.
Awesome post
as acid said, very well put.
i too never understood why not just in the "eris" section but yet in any section people have demanded such items to be released.
I agree with rigamrts, I have watched this board with aw in some of the things people have said to one another. If I had root to this phone I would P.M. the members I wanted to have it just to keep out the ones that act childish. But then wouldn't I be just as childish? So I would just stop, Do my own thing, and wait as a few of the people here have done. People with no interest in this device have nothing to lose by leaving besides maybe hearing their friend saying "come on man, come back. We won't let that happen again." Its a shame this happened in our community but as with the physical community I live in there are jerks. People that you wish would leave on their own accord but stick around with T.P. stuck to their shoes looking like idiots. Anyways, thanks for the help, keep working, and feel free to leave if things get retarded again. I would do the same.
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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i could create a bolg on one of my unused email account
I think that moving the thread to the new one should work..
We have a couple of moderators all over this now..
And I can update everyday
I need you guys to update me on what to put im the 1st post so that we can get back on track
I think the blog is a great idea but the thing is we also need to keep the discussion here at XDA, the place that originally got us together. If we don't keep the support here we won't have a well known place to meet new Eris users that could potentially help. We can't do that because of one bad apple, this Is our meeting place and we need to show XDA the respect by continuing to trust their mods to do their jobs. Ya that guy should have been permanently banned but he wasn't so let's not punish XDA for that decision. My two pennies.
I agree that we need to hang out at XDA, but I also feel that we could move to somewhere where we can bounce around ideas without people hijacking threads or starting flame wars. I'm not trying to keep people in the dark, I just want to try a different place. Oh, and I'd like some people who know what they're doing to sign on. I'm just a visionary, I can't code. Haha
Ok guys here is the deal after what happend today I am a little upset I spend hours each day searching the web for exploits, why... to help. Here is what I may do, I might buy some webspace and set up a area for us to work together on. I am going to see if Jman will will join us, this is just a idea for right now. I will let you guys know when I clear my head.
Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
Clear ur head man...take care
When ya come back.head over to the new no flaming thread
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Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
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rigamrts.blogspot.com
just set up one for us.
Videofolife13 said:
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Good Stuff Cookie...
Come over to the new thread an help us out
Its in my sig...
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business.
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Video I can agree where you are comming from, it does suck the fun out of the puzzle of rooting the device with all the flaming and demanding. But on the other side where I am, I am not a programmer or a linux genius. So we almost feel like leechers taking your work with out compensation for it. So the Pool for the dev that roots the Eris is our attempt to do our part in the give take relationship we have in this community.
Sure I could spend hours and hours and hope to get where you guys are or I can offer my monitary thanks for all your work.
I am not trying to point this thread in the wrong direction and I don't want to see a bunch of "I agree" replies. Just want to convey our side, the noobs and amatures that can't do the things that you do.
I am waiting patiently and if there is anything we the non-dev's can do let us know.
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Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
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I have my own web server that we can use. Let me know if you want to set something up.
would a google wave account work i have invites?
Whats up with all the devs bailing out? Not to mean that in a bad way, I appreciate all of yalls hard work dont get me wrong!
because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.
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because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE new roms with all features working right away
because people are ignorant.
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in sumation becuase there is too much drama going on.
heh I stopped releasing any of my work back in january.
Because someone let a stinky one and pointed the finger at someone else instead
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because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.
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I really dont understand why it is a bad thing to donate. its just like anything else that is made out there, Just be glad they arent charging you for this stuff. They do it out of there free will. People that want to bit*h about this kinda stuff should be banned.
this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.
ok time to kill this thread as it is just going to turn into another troll war just like the other. thanks and goodbye
Just leave the subject alone and let it die out please...
we don't need to keep beating a dead horse...
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this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.
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Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?
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Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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See I never saw it as them charging for the software, the people who donate get first look the people who didnt still get it. At no point have they said that there was a fee for this software, only if you appreciated the time they have taken and donated, you get first look. Similar to the manner in which HTC was supposed to release the kernel, they released it to sprint first then eventually the general public. Doesnt seem like linux issued a gpl violation against them to stop selling their devices
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.
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i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.
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He never asked for donations for an early release. People volunteered donations for an early release. He gave the early release to donators from his last ROM. People got excited and started sending him donations so that they could get it. Flipz never asked them to. The beta release is unfinished and very buggy. You don't have to have it if you can wait a few days so that he can fix the bugs.
from a social psych perspective, having donations tied quid pro quo for something not everyone has the equal availability to experience is essentially going to diminish both sides of the equation here. Flipz will potentially look at the screaming rise in donations in anticipation of redeeming much of his hard earned time and effort in the form of monetary donations. Likewise, from the user perspective - many of you have already donated to get into that early release pool and sign off on the matter by claiming that flipz deserves the donation anyway.
with all the legalities aside here, and focusing solely on what an early release of flipz's rom being given to those who contribute monetary donations, there is no difference in my purchasing of a new microwave at the local sears and my donating to flipz with the added benefit of being sent an insider's link to the current unreleased firmware.
no matter how you flip it, or spin it, what it comes down to regardless of the point of view is preferential treatment. if flipz wants to make some money back on his time spent, as well as his bandwidth costs, this is the most legal way he can do it tbh. but if flipz wants this to be considered "free" for all intensive purposes, then there would be no early release to those who donate. its not free and/or open-source when the availability of the item is discriminated against those who do not donate.
on this last note, flipz will inevitably succumb to "every man has his price". the majority of the devs with blockbusting roms around here deserve their own subforum dedicated to how awesome they are for contributing to this community. I applaud them wholeheartedly. when the factor of money comes into the picture, there are very few people who will not be aroused financially by what people are willing to shell out for. The enthusiasm that we see from a dev who ties money directly into the release of his or her roms will virtually never be the same as one who accepts donations without an added incentive to his or her userbase.
bottom line, i think flipz made the wrong choice on both ends of the equation here. there is now a monetary factor that cannot be overlooked in the impending releases of all future "fresh" roms if nothing is changed. And for that I simply refuse to take part in any of these releases where there is a two-way transaction of goods regardless of the context.
I don't see how hall are not getting this flips donators are essentially his beta testers he's not giving them a finished Rom he's simply doing his thing realesing to donators to test out. They send feedback he fixes and BAM!!! public release with most of The bugs worked out.... how are yall not understanding that
I'm new and can't see the forest through the trees. But I do worry about what will happen when the official 2.1 is released by sprint. Could it be a total unrooting and lock-out?
Just because you charge for something doesnt mean its not open source. Free as in speech, not beer.
This thread keeps rolling downhill, but I see something that needs clarification. Flipz has NEVER EVER asked for a donation OK. Read it again, internalize it. NEVER EVER. You don't like the donation sh*t??? Don't donate and be happy with it. In about 2-4 days, you will have an updated software release after some people have found some bugs and some of them have been fixed. NO ONE is requiring a donation it is completely VOLUNTARY. No one will die for waiting about 4 days for a ROM (although some people sound like they will). Get a grip people. This is very simple.
On top of all this! people donate to him .. but how much do you need to give him? No he did not say... I could had paid .25 and still get it before anyone else..so please STFU!
First let me say I'm all for it and very appreciative that those of you can cook these and share with those of us who can't. I also realize you're quite busy with RL, etc.
Having said this though, it might be nice if you acknowledged it when people make a donation, even if it's small, perhaps via email. The world doesn't need to see but just seems like mutual respect to me. I've actually made a couple donations now which I was happy to do but the only acknowledgment I even received was the automated PayPal one saying it had been made.
It's also a way to encourage more to donate and repeat donations! Something to think about Devs.
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First let me say I'm all for it and very appreciative that those of you can cook these and share with those of us who can't. I also realize you're quite busy with RL, etc.
Having said this though, it might be nice if you acknowledged it when people make a donation, even if it's small, perhaps via email. The world doesn't need to see but just seems like mutual respect to me. I've actually made a couple donations now which I was happy to do but the only acknowledgment I even received was the automated PayPal one saying it had been made.
It's also a way to encourage more to donate and repeat donations! Something to think about Devs.
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I don't claim to be a developer, yet, but I have received a couple of donations and I emailed them and posted in thread. I'd like to think that I would do that for every donation that I'll ever receive. I agree that some type of personal response should be received.
I agree, but at the same time I know they can get busy... I have gotten a response the times I have donated. It is a great feeling to donate, and get that acknowledgement back that it was received.
It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
LOL!
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It's like when you're in traffic and you left someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
LOL!
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Well Put! LOL! I have recieved thank you emails also.
Amen to that! I do "thank you" boot animations and custom splash screens for my donors (^_^)>b
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I have received either an email or a thank you post every time even though I did not do so expecting anything in return - that was just my way of saying thanks. To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts. It would be nicer if they listen closely to those who donated and help them out whenever possible. This way we would not be paying them for modification of open source code but instead for their consulting help in making the ROMs work better for us.
All very good points. But also if you donate let the devs know that you sent them a donation and that you appreciate their work. That way they see it sooner (since I'm sure they're not sitting there looking for who donated to them today) and they'll send you a thank you in return. Also paypal names might be different than xda nicks.
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I have to strongly agree! Even if it is set up as an automated response it would be better than a simple PayPal confirmation.
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It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
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Excellent point! Taking your example...
How does it make you feel when you do let someone in (the right thing to do) and they don't even so much as acknowledge you? I know how it makes me feel
khanam said:
To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts.
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And what better way of thanking them than making a donation!
An old adage that has always worked for me...
"Business comes where it is welcomed - And returns where it is appreciated"
I have been on both ends of this thing, back in my WinMo days I created 400+ themes (home screens) in the Motorola Q forums and I can tell you from experience the donations are not going to make anyone rich!
If I had just $1.00 for every home screen I made for the Q that was downloaded I could have retired a long time ago. And that is no exaggeration!
Anything that would encourage people to donate is a good thing, these devs definitely deserve it!
Just my 2 cents worth.
jermaine151 said:
It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
LOL!
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Quite true! Then again you always get those people behind them trying to shove their way in... like no ever used a zipper before?
KGBxxx said:
All very good points. But also if you donate let the devs know that you sent them a donation and that you appreciate their work. That way they see it sooner (since I'm sure they're not sitting there looking for who donated to them today) and they'll send you a thank you in return. Also paypal names might be different than xda nicks.
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Very good point! I know my PayPal is different than my forum names. I typically try to put my name in a memo when I tip via PayPal though.
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Even though I posted my response, should'nt this be in the general section?
khanam said:
I have received either an email or a thank you post every time even though I did not do so expecting anything in return - that was just my way of saying thanks. To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts. It would be nicer if they listen closely to those who donated and help them out whenever possible. This way we would not be paying them for modification of open source code but instead for their consulting help in making the ROMs work better for us.
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i do agree with your whole post, but what discourages me is that i've donated a few times, and the question remains - whats the advantage??
i've offered dough for helping with real simple rom - no themes...
gotten no replies...
i've donated when i was under the belief of being kept "in the loop" for testing, early releases ect...
and never got anything... nor did i "request" special treatment
so basically, i feel from now on, i'm only donating for "personal" service, or until i get a rom i choose to stick with
sorry, but moneys tight for me, i cant afford to toss a five spot out for each new rom i try - specially when i o nly test it for a few hours sometimes...
I've donated to the same developer twice within the last month ($5 each time) because I appreciate his ROMs.
To date, I haven't received any kind of response beyond the Paypal notification.
Maybe he is just too busy, but it makes me wonder a few things...
- Is he already getting so many donations that it isn't worth his time to answer them?
- Was the amount I gave not appreciated?
- Was it so small as to go unnoticed?
I think the traffic analogy is a solid one. I gave the donations because I felt like they were the right thing to do. That said, not getting any kind of acknowledgment whatsoever left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.
This experience won't affect my future decisions on donating to other developers, but I doubt that I will donate to the same developer a third time.
I've donated to just about every ROM I used for more than 3 days ... CyanoGen, rEVOlution, Virtuous, etc... usually 20-25$ or something like that. I have yet to get any form of acknowledgement but I didn't expect one either. I donate because I appreciate getting fast and stable ROMS so I'd rather know that those people are busy doing what they like which is programming roms versus spending 2 days a week replying to emails and sending personalized thank you notes.
Of course I would enjoy a little candy like a ROM with an extra feature or just a little something extra for my donation.
MotoDj said:
i do agree with your whole post, but what discourages me is that i've donated a few times, and the question remains - whats the advantage??
i've offered dough for helping with real simple rom - no themes...
gotten no replies...
i've donated when i was under the belief of being kept "in the loop" for testing, early releases ect...
and never got anything... nor did i "request" special treatment
so basically, i feel from now on, i'm only donating for "personal" service, or until i get a rom i choose to stick with
sorry, but moneys tight for me, i cant afford to toss a five spot out for each new rom i try - specially when i o nly test it for a few hours sometimes...
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Nic2112 said:
I've donated to just about every ROM I used for more than 3 days ... CyanoGen, rEVOlution, Virtuous, etc... usually 20-25$ or something like that. I have yet to get any form of acknowledgement but I didn't expect one either. I donate because I appreciate getting fast and stable ROMS so I'd rather know that those people are busy doing what they like which is programming roms versus spending 2 days a week replying to emails and sending personalized thank you notes.
Of course I would enjoy a little candy like a ROM with an extra feature or just a little something extra for my donation.
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Exactly. Just some extra unlocked features for donators would be nice....
Why are the freeloaders getting the ROM at the same time and with the same features and functionality if we are helping with paying for hosting, and other costs etc?
I hope that this gets some attention and maybe changes some minds. I think we've been having more fighting than sharing in this forum lately when it comes to development and to be honest with you it's making me sick. The audacity of some to claim that since they found something that works that it somehow negates the fact that it's open source is not only ridiculous but harmful to the community. Everyone in here owes everything that they know to someone else. That's a fact. Period. Why you feel you have the right now to be compensated for your ability to read is beyond me. I've been here since my touch pro. I've never asked for a dollar from anyone. I help people as often as I can both, on here and outside of xda and never EVER ask for anything in return other than knowledge. Lately even asking for knowledge prompts a request for a "donation". This may come as a shock to you people but that is NOT a donation!!! That's a paid service!!! Do you give drach a percentage of that since NONE of you would be anything without him? Of course not.
So what's my point? I'm suggesting that we start punishing those who beg for donations by removing the PRIVILEGE (yes it is a privilege) of allowing them to post donation links. Secondly, anyone who does nothing but complain should be removed from xda. I know these are extreme requests but this is an extreme problem. 9 times out of 10 a thread either starts or ends because of these issues. It's getting ridiculous. Please take these suggestions in to consideration. This is damaging the community in a huge way and personally I'm sick of it. I don't want this to be an argument thread. We all know what specific instances I'm talking about so there's no need to bring up the problems. I'm only interested in finding a solution. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
Sincerely James.
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my signature is better than yours
THANK YOU! If I only I was educated enough in writing like that, that is exactly my thoughts! THANK YOU!
As for the donations, like in my signature, after I post this about 5 seconds from now it'll be gone. All I want is to be educated. In fact for those of you who know I breakdance (*cough* *cough* my avatar pictuer *cough*) my breakdance name is even BBOY KNOWLEDGE! Ask anyone who knows me in the dance world they'll tell you I want nothing but to be educated in knowledgable in all areas of the world that interest me, use that knowledge to help, and educate others as much as I can. That is all I stand for. THE ABOVE POST IS PURE AWESOME-NESS DUDE
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I agree that there is a difference between a donation and and a paid service...please report any posts or instances when that line gets blurry or if someone is all out selling their work here...we will take care of it.
With so many new devices it brings so many new people to XDA and our job (yours and mine) is to educate them about what XDA is all about. I have moved this thread to general and read your comments. Please report such posts so we can take care of problems.
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i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol
Bierce22 said:
i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol
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I disagree, the devs like $, it's motivating, and I'm sure it feels better than a thanks. Now, me personally, I got over 2000 posts and 200 thanks BEFORE putting a donate above my name. I have never and will never ASK for a donation, since I don't "dev". BUT obviously I help lots of people, so if someone felt inclined to push the button, I won't argue. It is entirely likely that I would simply donate it back to xda, since I beleive they deserve the $ more than me, and few dollars will not affect my life. Some users may find it more comforting knowing they are donating directly to a person who has provided them either a developed item (ROM,theme,etc) or help - publicly or via PM. It is for that reason I intend to keep my donate button. It takes more care to donate than it does to say thanks. I have given many thanks, but I have also donated north of $150 to devs and xda. I think that if used properly and NOT abused, donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.
il Duce said:
I disagree... have never and will never ASK for a donation....donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.
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I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
Peace
- Kifno
kifno said:
I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
Peace
- Kifno
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Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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user7618 said:
Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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