First let me say I'm all for it and very appreciative that those of you can cook these and share with those of us who can't. I also realize you're quite busy with RL, etc.
Having said this though, it might be nice if you acknowledged it when people make a donation, even if it's small, perhaps via email. The world doesn't need to see but just seems like mutual respect to me. I've actually made a couple donations now which I was happy to do but the only acknowledgment I even received was the automated PayPal one saying it had been made.
It's also a way to encourage more to donate and repeat donations! Something to think about Devs.
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First let me say I'm all for it and very appreciative that those of you can cook these and share with those of us who can't. I also realize you're quite busy with RL, etc.
Having said this though, it might be nice if you acknowledged it when people make a donation, even if it's small, perhaps via email. The world doesn't need to see but just seems like mutual respect to me. I've actually made a couple donations now which I was happy to do but the only acknowledgment I even received was the automated PayPal one saying it had been made.
It's also a way to encourage more to donate and repeat donations! Something to think about Devs.
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I don't claim to be a developer, yet, but I have received a couple of donations and I emailed them and posted in thread. I'd like to think that I would do that for every donation that I'll ever receive. I agree that some type of personal response should be received.
I agree, but at the same time I know they can get busy... I have gotten a response the times I have donated. It is a great feeling to donate, and get that acknowledgement back that it was received.
It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
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It's like when you're in traffic and you left someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
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Well Put! LOL! I have recieved thank you emails also.
Amen to that! I do "thank you" boot animations and custom splash screens for my donors (^_^)>b
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I have received either an email or a thank you post every time even though I did not do so expecting anything in return - that was just my way of saying thanks. To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts. It would be nicer if they listen closely to those who donated and help them out whenever possible. This way we would not be paying them for modification of open source code but instead for their consulting help in making the ROMs work better for us.
All very good points. But also if you donate let the devs know that you sent them a donation and that you appreciate their work. That way they see it sooner (since I'm sure they're not sitting there looking for who donated to them today) and they'll send you a thank you in return. Also paypal names might be different than xda nicks.
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I have to strongly agree! Even if it is set up as an automated response it would be better than a simple PayPal confirmation.
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It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
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Excellent point! Taking your example...
How does it make you feel when you do let someone in (the right thing to do) and they don't even so much as acknowledge you? I know how it makes me feel
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To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts.
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And what better way of thanking them than making a donation!
An old adage that has always worked for me...
"Business comes where it is welcomed - And returns where it is appreciated"
I have been on both ends of this thing, back in my WinMo days I created 400+ themes (home screens) in the Motorola Q forums and I can tell you from experience the donations are not going to make anyone rich!
If I had just $1.00 for every home screen I made for the Q that was downloaded I could have retired a long time ago. And that is no exaggeration!
Anything that would encourage people to donate is a good thing, these devs definitely deserve it!
Just my 2 cents worth.
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It's like when you're in traffic and you let someone over in front of you, and you just want that wave in return.
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Quite true! Then again you always get those people behind them trying to shove their way in... like no ever used a zipper before?
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All very good points. But also if you donate let the devs know that you sent them a donation and that you appreciate their work. That way they see it sooner (since I'm sure they're not sitting there looking for who donated to them today) and they'll send you a thank you in return. Also paypal names might be different than xda nicks.
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Very good point! I know my PayPal is different than my forum names. I typically try to put my name in a memo when I tip via PayPal though.
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Even though I posted my response, should'nt this be in the general section?
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I have received either an email or a thank you post every time even though I did not do so expecting anything in return - that was just my way of saying thanks. To be honest I don't necessarily agree that the devs should say thanks back or acknowledge anything.
They are already doing their stuff for free. We should be thanking them for their efforts. It would be nicer if they listen closely to those who donated and help them out whenever possible. This way we would not be paying them for modification of open source code but instead for their consulting help in making the ROMs work better for us.
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i do agree with your whole post, but what discourages me is that i've donated a few times, and the question remains - whats the advantage??
i've offered dough for helping with real simple rom - no themes...
gotten no replies...
i've donated when i was under the belief of being kept "in the loop" for testing, early releases ect...
and never got anything... nor did i "request" special treatment
so basically, i feel from now on, i'm only donating for "personal" service, or until i get a rom i choose to stick with
sorry, but moneys tight for me, i cant afford to toss a five spot out for each new rom i try - specially when i o nly test it for a few hours sometimes...
I've donated to the same developer twice within the last month ($5 each time) because I appreciate his ROMs.
To date, I haven't received any kind of response beyond the Paypal notification.
Maybe he is just too busy, but it makes me wonder a few things...
- Is he already getting so many donations that it isn't worth his time to answer them?
- Was the amount I gave not appreciated?
- Was it so small as to go unnoticed?
I think the traffic analogy is a solid one. I gave the donations because I felt like they were the right thing to do. That said, not getting any kind of acknowledgment whatsoever left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.
This experience won't affect my future decisions on donating to other developers, but I doubt that I will donate to the same developer a third time.
I've donated to just about every ROM I used for more than 3 days ... CyanoGen, rEVOlution, Virtuous, etc... usually 20-25$ or something like that. I have yet to get any form of acknowledgement but I didn't expect one either. I donate because I appreciate getting fast and stable ROMS so I'd rather know that those people are busy doing what they like which is programming roms versus spending 2 days a week replying to emails and sending personalized thank you notes.
Of course I would enjoy a little candy like a ROM with an extra feature or just a little something extra for my donation.
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i do agree with your whole post, but what discourages me is that i've donated a few times, and the question remains - whats the advantage??
i've offered dough for helping with real simple rom - no themes...
gotten no replies...
i've donated when i was under the belief of being kept "in the loop" for testing, early releases ect...
and never got anything... nor did i "request" special treatment
so basically, i feel from now on, i'm only donating for "personal" service, or until i get a rom i choose to stick with
sorry, but moneys tight for me, i cant afford to toss a five spot out for each new rom i try - specially when i o nly test it for a few hours sometimes...
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I've donated to just about every ROM I used for more than 3 days ... CyanoGen, rEVOlution, Virtuous, etc... usually 20-25$ or something like that. I have yet to get any form of acknowledgement but I didn't expect one either. I donate because I appreciate getting fast and stable ROMS so I'd rather know that those people are busy doing what they like which is programming roms versus spending 2 days a week replying to emails and sending personalized thank you notes.
Of course I would enjoy a little candy like a ROM with an extra feature or just a little something extra for my donation.
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Exactly. Just some extra unlocked features for donators would be nice....
Why are the freeloaders getting the ROM at the same time and with the same features and functionality if we are helping with paying for hosting, and other costs etc?
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Please choose carefully the developers you donate money to. I have a few I would gladly send money to, but the last one cried over spilled Nesquik and left this forum after receiving it, so the ones who have picked up where he left off, will now suffer for it. It's a damn shame too, he was becoming quite the legend, if you searched anywhere on google with the words g1, dream, and rom, his had the most hits, and videos. (Honestly, I think he just needs to get over himself, leaving for the reason he did, is just pathetic and childish) I'm not fishing for a rom update either, as there are much better roms now, just warning everyone, be sure who you are supporting, will use it in a way that benefits the community. Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk, but I also expect that a "hello" now and then is warranted in the forums if you are accepting money from people who don't even know you! My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
You decided to 'donate' out of your own free will. By donating you do not expect anything in return. He doesn't owe you anything just because you donated. Its his free time he's been putting into making those roms and I can't believe you have the nerve to expect him to always be there when you need it just because you donated.
If anything he's a 17 year old teenager. Who had lot of problems with his family and had to deal with school, work and hoardes of idiots who were demanding he update his roms.
It probably started out as fun for him but became a chore, I don't blame him for leaving, especially since the actual REASON he left was because someone he trusted betrayed him and leaked a rom that COULD have gotten someone else fired.
I suggest you keep your donations, the roms and apps are free anyway, no one is forcing you to pay them. If you want to make demands because you donated, you're missing out the whole point of it.
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Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk
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Good
but I also expect
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Well there's your problem. You expected something in return. That's called a payment not a donation.
My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
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Get over yourself.
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A simple poke your head in the door and say "hi" is too much to ask?...yeah..ur right..I should keep it. As I said, I'm not fishing for roms, or asking for tech help, it's like giving a donation to the red cross, and then finding out they closed shop the next day. Them's the breaks I guess!!
P.S. I'm trying to get over myself, but I'm a 350+ lb. fatass, and that's proving to be a difficult task!!!
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Please choose carefully the developers you donate money to. I have a few I would gladly send money to, but the last one cried over spilled Nesquik and left this forum after receiving it, so the ones who have picked up where he left off, will now suffer for it. It's a damn shame too, he was becoming quite the legend, if you searched anywhere on google with the words g1, dream, and rom, his had the most hits, and videos. (Honestly, I think he just needs to get over himself, leaving for the reason he did, is just pathetic and childish) I'm not fishing for a rom update either, as there are much better roms now, just warning everyone, be sure who you are supporting, will use it in a way that benefits the community. Yes, I know I'm being a whiny jerk, but I also expect that a "hello" now and then is warranted in the forums if you are accepting money from people who don't even know you! My mistake in trusting in what I thought was a fine developer.
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This sounds like you are also crying over spilt milk. Get over him.
GenericNode said:
This sounds like you are also crying over spilt milk. Get over him.
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Oh crap..ur right...(takes long look in mirror, then smashes it)...I'm only 15, whatdya expect?
I can see the "yeah right, 350 lb, 15 yr old comments warming up..plz close this thread, maybe delete it, sorry I posted, delete my account.
Whats up with all the devs bailing out? Not to mean that in a bad way, I appreciate all of yalls hard work dont get me wrong!
because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.
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because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE new roms with all features working right away
because people are ignorant.
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in sumation becuase there is too much drama going on.
heh I stopped releasing any of my work back in january.
Because someone let a stinky one and pointed the finger at someone else instead
justinisyoung said:
because many people believe that its wrong to donate to a developer who spends so much time working on a rom to get an early release even though they know that they will get it free after a few days.
because people don't have patience.
because people don't appreciate others' works.
because people think that they DESERVE everything that they want and will whine if they don't get it.
because people are ignorant.
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I really dont understand why it is a bad thing to donate. its just like anything else that is made out there, Just be glad they arent charging you for this stuff. They do it out of there free will. People that want to bit*h about this kinda stuff should be banned.
this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.
ok time to kill this thread as it is just going to turn into another troll war just like the other. thanks and goodbye
Just leave the subject alone and let it die out please...
we don't need to keep beating a dead horse...
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this donation crap shouldn't have even been allowed now look what's happening.
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Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?
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Ok so if you go buy a car, you dont want someone to fix it when its broke
Same thing you go by a phone, You want to make it better Right? And for free? Ok well if you want to thank them then you can donate to them.
The whole donating thing you dont have to do it. All the roms will be released to the public, just the people that have donated get a early copy...So what are you actually compliang about with the donations thing here?
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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See I never saw it as them charging for the software, the people who donate get first look the people who didnt still get it. At no point have they said that there was a fee for this software, only if you appreciated the time they have taken and donated, you get first look. Similar to the manner in which HTC was supposed to release the kernel, they released it to sprint first then eventually the general public. Doesnt seem like linux issued a gpl violation against them to stop selling their devices
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The devs didn't write the software in the rom. They pieced together stuff from other roms. It's not their software. If people want to donate for the customization, fine, but it's not right to charge for other people's hard work. This sort of thing is what will give HTC / Google the ability to start sending DMCA's.
Charging is the difference between sex and prostitution.
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i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.
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i havent posted about all this drama since im new, but it seems you are the only person with some form of logic. i get both sides of the argument, but instead of asking for donations to get a early release why not just ask for them to just email you? i understand it takes time for flipz to send the rom to everyone,and everyone knows time is money, he should get something for his work, but i dont think asking for a donation for early release is the right way to get it.
most likely he doesnt even want nothing for his work cuz this is a open source community and he just wanted a way to get testers so he can release a more complete rom for all of us, im sure if he knew it was going to be such a problem on the forums he wouldnt have bothered to do the donation thing for an early version. The donations is voluntary but then again u are "Forced" to donate if u want a early version. i fail to see how that is different from buying something that i want. sure it might come out later for free, but right now the only way to get it is to donate/buy it.
munchies!!!
im in no way trying to offend any of the devs, you guys are amazing and i very thankfull for all the work that you guys do. im just giving my meaningless(this is the internet afterall) opinion from the outside looking in.
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He never asked for donations for an early release. People volunteered donations for an early release. He gave the early release to donators from his last ROM. People got excited and started sending him donations so that they could get it. Flipz never asked them to. The beta release is unfinished and very buggy. You don't have to have it if you can wait a few days so that he can fix the bugs.
from a social psych perspective, having donations tied quid pro quo for something not everyone has the equal availability to experience is essentially going to diminish both sides of the equation here. Flipz will potentially look at the screaming rise in donations in anticipation of redeeming much of his hard earned time and effort in the form of monetary donations. Likewise, from the user perspective - many of you have already donated to get into that early release pool and sign off on the matter by claiming that flipz deserves the donation anyway.
with all the legalities aside here, and focusing solely on what an early release of flipz's rom being given to those who contribute monetary donations, there is no difference in my purchasing of a new microwave at the local sears and my donating to flipz with the added benefit of being sent an insider's link to the current unreleased firmware.
no matter how you flip it, or spin it, what it comes down to regardless of the point of view is preferential treatment. if flipz wants to make some money back on his time spent, as well as his bandwidth costs, this is the most legal way he can do it tbh. but if flipz wants this to be considered "free" for all intensive purposes, then there would be no early release to those who donate. its not free and/or open-source when the availability of the item is discriminated against those who do not donate.
on this last note, flipz will inevitably succumb to "every man has his price". the majority of the devs with blockbusting roms around here deserve their own subforum dedicated to how awesome they are for contributing to this community. I applaud them wholeheartedly. when the factor of money comes into the picture, there are very few people who will not be aroused financially by what people are willing to shell out for. The enthusiasm that we see from a dev who ties money directly into the release of his or her roms will virtually never be the same as one who accepts donations without an added incentive to his or her userbase.
bottom line, i think flipz made the wrong choice on both ends of the equation here. there is now a monetary factor that cannot be overlooked in the impending releases of all future "fresh" roms if nothing is changed. And for that I simply refuse to take part in any of these releases where there is a two-way transaction of goods regardless of the context.
I don't see how hall are not getting this flips donators are essentially his beta testers he's not giving them a finished Rom he's simply doing his thing realesing to donators to test out. They send feedback he fixes and BAM!!! public release with most of The bugs worked out.... how are yall not understanding that
I'm new and can't see the forest through the trees. But I do worry about what will happen when the official 2.1 is released by sprint. Could it be a total unrooting and lock-out?
Just because you charge for something doesnt mean its not open source. Free as in speech, not beer.
This thread keeps rolling downhill, but I see something that needs clarification. Flipz has NEVER EVER asked for a donation OK. Read it again, internalize it. NEVER EVER. You don't like the donation sh*t??? Don't donate and be happy with it. In about 2-4 days, you will have an updated software release after some people have found some bugs and some of them have been fixed. NO ONE is requiring a donation it is completely VOLUNTARY. No one will die for waiting about 4 days for a ROM (although some people sound like they will). Get a grip people. This is very simple.
On top of all this! people donate to him .. but how much do you need to give him? No he did not say... I could had paid .25 and still get it before anyone else..so please STFU!
RE: ▽▲ AXURA Vibrant Edition ▼△ Development Stopped.
First I'd like to say that was a punk move. Secondly, there's plenty of other great ROMs out there. I'm not sad, nor upset. I'm not going to kiss Master's ass. (I'm a software developer, I could take my own time to do this same ****) I'm also not going to flame or trash him (That'd be a waste of bandwidth and time).
The politics on these forums is ridiculous. You get something for free and then everyone *****es when things don't go their way. Devs take their personal time to provide you with something 'cool' or 'different' and you have a few select people ruining it for others. I don't 100% agree with 'Donating' to get 'early releases', but whatever. It is what it is. I'll roll with 2.0.6 AKA Axura Final until I get bored or something different catches my eye.
I'll admit, I really liked the theming done to it. I'm so sick of black and stupid ugly colors (I have a bit of a desiger background) that a lot of people call 'cool' or thinks 'looks great!'. And after searching for a ROM that didn't look like total ****, I actually considered getting involved in the theming community. We'll see.
Haters will hate.
I'm just taken away by this, I go out to eat with ole girl, come back and everything is stopped. I'm keeping 2.1 one for a while now, its destined to be a relic. But it is a damn good ROM, and skoal had to **** it up for everyone. I am sure he has recieved TONS of PMs from pissed off followers of Master, and rightfully so. However, I will not partake in anything like that.
I'm hoping this is just a phase that will blow over. Master came out of no where, it a place dominated by the "heavy hitters" and made a name for himself.
Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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Its not all WHAT was done, but what was SAID, and how it went down. Blatant disrespect.
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I don't understand why a single leak is being blown so big.
How do you think we got the froyo release? ---(Leaked)
You dont see samsung *****ing and pouting about stopping development (which is minimal anyway).
I am running the captivate port for the 2.0 rom and hands down it is the fastest and most stable rom in our rom dev.
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When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
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Good, mature post.
When somethings turns from being appreciated into being expected...
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Exactly my thoughts.
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When we try to stop the leaking of leaked roms then I think it's getting out of control.
I can fully appreciate Master +all the other devs for the work but the fact is, one person gets the rom early and Master calls foul... big deal. Get over it. I wonder how many leaked roms from other devs have fallen into Master's lap.
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This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
It is a shame. While I wasn't going to donate to get a pre-release copy, I was going to donate after the final version was released assuming it worked fine as a thank you for his hard work (I had a few issues with 2.05 and was waiting before flashing again).
It is his right though, even if it is confusing when considering the circumstances of how these types of ROMs got started in the first place.
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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This is the first I've been involved with any ROM outside of the G1 realm (CyanogenMod) and I don't know of any other project where you can donate to get special treatment. Honestly, that's where the problem started. Dealing with money and VIP status. Cyanogen doesn't release anything until he's ready. Mainly so he can avoid the barrage of "X doesn't work, plz/fix/k/thx!". I also don't think if a few people get ZOMG v6.0.1.2-FINAL, that he'd be too upset.
There is a sense of quality control. You don't want a lot of people to get an early release to prevent the spamming of complaints. It's distracting and takes away from your project plan. If this was a real dev shop there'd be a bug tracking list and a handful of devs hacking away at their assigned tickets.
Overall, (both parties included, or and I guess the leaker too) it's a punk move. What are we? 12? (Sometimes I think we are! after all the bickering I read)
Meh... :|
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Agreed. Thanks for this thread. I hated reading the last one because of all the nonsense. A new rom will come and the fools will be foolish.
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kingrat said:
This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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Let's not trash talk or name names... ok?
problem with forums like this
The problem with forums like this is they break out something like this:
10% 12-18
40% 19-26
40% 27-45
10% 46-60+ (where I fall into)
So, since age and maturity is the problem (or lack of maturity) there is no way to regulate that, not in an open forum....we are just left to self regulation........and as such, it will always be imperfect.
What is important is to be respectful and mature in the treatment (doing what they ask) of each other. The leaked rom from one friend to another is not really the core issue...........it is the public proclamation "Hey I got over on you" that demonstrates both the lack of respect and lack of maturity. This adolescent behavior (which the guilty one thinks is cute) damages our experience in this forum or in other forums. A Shame really.......
This forum gets ridiculous full of ungrateful people it really ruins development of great phones, people start to think they deserve something that was given out of good faith to help them hence original 2.2 leak
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Lets see if I can say this without sounding rude... Fok master, do the **** your self, a lot of his **** is off leaked stuff and others work...
he should be happy someone wanted his **** that bad...
By the way donating for a early release isn't a donation, thats a payment..... Never using his rom again, imma go stock and make the rom myself, you all could to its simple....
EDIT: Hell I remember when Master was trying to over run BIONIX lol Dude was all in their business... Trying to side help their ****. Man common Master, This is a punk move, for this You will never get a second look from me... Peace man, Just needed them donations/ Payments huh
Not allowing people to distribute his ROM is a violation of the GPL. He may ask, but he has no basis to. He built a ROM based on pre-released code and Open Source code and has no valid position to stop the same. Sure, he can get pissy if people do, that is certainly his right, but the moment he makes it available to anyone that person clearly has the right to distribute it unless it has actual proprietary software on it.
The person asking was within their rights
The person who gave it out was within their rights
Master getting pissed and stopping further development for people exercising their rights is completely within his rights.
Life goes on, shame, I was waiting for 2.1, time to move on.
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This forum is so crappy now..
everyone wants rewarded and begs for money
Master I thought was the worse...
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I've seen you in Master's thread, you've contributed nothing but disrespect and you're part of the reason he closed his thread.
FYI, Master isn't discontinuing development. He is choosing not to share with XDA. Anyone that is interested in his work can still find it on his forum.
Seems a lot of Devs are keeping their work on their own sites. From what I've seen on this site in the last few weeks, I don't blame them.
I think it's messed up for those that paid for his roms now to get no support.
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First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
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First of all thanks for making this thread OP. I want to get a few things out here as well.
Very immature on the part of everyone involved. Seriously grow up and get on with it.
This donation stuff is nothing more than payment and that is right. But the payment isn't so much for the software as it is the help in putting it together and getting it all to play nice. Sure you could piece it all together yourself if you had enough free time it isn't THAT hard. Or like me if your time is more valuable you can sling homeboy <INSERT NAME HERE> $10 and have him put it together for you. I value my time greatly and I lead a very busy life so I am very happy paying someone $10 if it even saves 30 minutes of my day. I am highly skilled and do computer security work for a living so it has nothing to do with knowledge or ability.
So lets make that clear. You are donating for their time not the actual software itself. Some of these guys spend a ton of time on their ROMs and if I can get that for a piddly $10-$25 donation then I say that is a deal. And on top of that he even offers personalized support when this ROM doesn't work.
I don't think the issue here is requiring donations because if they didn't nobody would donate so that is only fair. And it is more than reasonable for them to try to get some reward for time and effort invested. Especially if they have a website to support!
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I couldn't agree more.
I hope that this gets some attention and maybe changes some minds. I think we've been having more fighting than sharing in this forum lately when it comes to development and to be honest with you it's making me sick. The audacity of some to claim that since they found something that works that it somehow negates the fact that it's open source is not only ridiculous but harmful to the community. Everyone in here owes everything that they know to someone else. That's a fact. Period. Why you feel you have the right now to be compensated for your ability to read is beyond me. I've been here since my touch pro. I've never asked for a dollar from anyone. I help people as often as I can both, on here and outside of xda and never EVER ask for anything in return other than knowledge. Lately even asking for knowledge prompts a request for a "donation". This may come as a shock to you people but that is NOT a donation!!! That's a paid service!!! Do you give drach a percentage of that since NONE of you would be anything without him? Of course not.
So what's my point? I'm suggesting that we start punishing those who beg for donations by removing the PRIVILEGE (yes it is a privilege) of allowing them to post donation links. Secondly, anyone who does nothing but complain should be removed from xda. I know these are extreme requests but this is an extreme problem. 9 times out of 10 a thread either starts or ends because of these issues. It's getting ridiculous. Please take these suggestions in to consideration. This is damaging the community in a huge way and personally I'm sick of it. I don't want this to be an argument thread. We all know what specific instances I'm talking about so there's no need to bring up the problems. I'm only interested in finding a solution. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.
Sincerely James.
"Tankers lead the way!"
my signature is better than yours
THANK YOU! If I only I was educated enough in writing like that, that is exactly my thoughts! THANK YOU!
As for the donations, like in my signature, after I post this about 5 seconds from now it'll be gone. All I want is to be educated. In fact for those of you who know I breakdance (*cough* *cough* my avatar pictuer *cough*) my breakdance name is even BBOY KNOWLEDGE! Ask anyone who knows me in the dance world they'll tell you I want nothing but to be educated in knowledgable in all areas of the world that interest me, use that knowledge to help, and educate others as much as I can. That is all I stand for. THE ABOVE POST IS PURE AWESOME-NESS DUDE
- Kifno
I agree that there is a difference between a donation and and a paid service...please report any posts or instances when that line gets blurry or if someone is all out selling their work here...we will take care of it.
With so many new devices it brings so many new people to XDA and our job (yours and mine) is to educate them about what XDA is all about. I have moved this thread to general and read your comments. Please report such posts so we can take care of problems.
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i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol
Bierce22 said:
i think donations should be diabled all together but thats just me lol
just noticed i hit 500 posts.... wohoo lol
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I disagree, the devs like $, it's motivating, and I'm sure it feels better than a thanks. Now, me personally, I got over 2000 posts and 200 thanks BEFORE putting a donate above my name. I have never and will never ASK for a donation, since I don't "dev". BUT obviously I help lots of people, so if someone felt inclined to push the button, I won't argue. It is entirely likely that I would simply donate it back to xda, since I beleive they deserve the $ more than me, and few dollars will not affect my life. Some users may find it more comforting knowing they are donating directly to a person who has provided them either a developed item (ROM,theme,etc) or help - publicly or via PM. It is for that reason I intend to keep my donate button. It takes more care to donate than it does to say thanks. I have given many thanks, but I have also donated north of $150 to devs and xda. I think that if used properly and NOT abused, donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.
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I disagree... have never and will never ASK for a donation....donations are a vital and necessary part of this community.
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I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
Peace
- Kifno
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I agree. There is a HUGE difference between being given a donation out the appreciating and kindness of a person's heart for the developer's/theme-er's/person who helped them's work (is them's even corrrect lol ) and asking for a donation/begging to be paid for their service. But in truth even when I have recieved a donation in the past I take that as "oh they like what I did I guess I should keep it up, NO!!! YOU MUST DO BETTER KIFNO YOU FOOL! NOW GET ON YOUR LAPTOP AND GET FUNKY AND SHOW EM' WHAT CHA GOT DUDE! ". And that's when I release something even better as showing how much I care that the community cares about my work and time I put into my projects. But that's just my opinion, time to get back to some reading on java
Peace
- Kifno
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Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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user7618 said:
Kifno, whatever you're on, you need to share it.
But seriously, I agree. Donations are a way for people to show their appreciation to a dev besides a click of a thanks button. They are to be given freely, not begged or asked for, and when you receive a donation, an appreciative pm should be sent.
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I'm on XDA Forums, the #1 Android Community! It's free, and its not up to me to share it, its available for everyone and I'd recommend it to everyone who owns an android. Everyone is on what I'm on
- Kifno
As you all know we have a very basic form of honeycomb that has some issues, and only 1 person working on the project (Oldmacnut) whom recently was involved in an accident at work and is running into some financial troubles.
I have a suggestion for those who want to Save the HC project i was wondering how many people are willing to pledge and follow through with some donations to help Oldmacnut ( Just so everyone knows I don't know the guy and none of this idea came from him).
Ive seen posts in forums looking for devs for hire a bounty if you will with offers from many people that added up to $3000.00 <--now that's a nice chunk of change. Mind you this donation wasn't even for a rom it was a modem i know not everyone has money to give but ill be the first to pledge $10 to this fund anyone whom want to join me pleas post your amount your willing lets set a goal of at least $1000 so with me were at $990.
Mailing Address:
Donations Coordinator:
No Mailing Address
oldmacnut
This Payment will appear on your credit card statement as "PayPal *OLDMACNUT"
Confirmation Number: 0V1533719M744341E Placed on Oct 4, 2011
Purpose Donation
amount
Donation XDA Forums $10.00 USD
Total Amount: $10.00 USD
Thank you oldmacnut for all your hard work and dedication
Id pay £20
It sounds like the dev work on the SGT is getting to him. I don't feel like pushing him to go any further than he already has is going to be good for anyone.
Let the man bow out, he has done a lot for us already, far more than samsung and our carriers have done for sure.
I know the feeling of something that was once a hobby becomeing a chore...I don't want to pressure anyone to do that to themselves.
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ya I hear ya and even if he doesnt continue a nice send off from xda would be nice hes put alot of time helping us. To be honest if this did save HC that would be nice and if it didnt i still think this man has earned his due and even if im the only one to openly donate i know there are alot of good people on here will see the same good and send thanks his way
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It sounds like the dev work on the SGT is getting to him. I don't feel like pushing him to go any further than he already has is going to be good for anyone.
Let the man bow out, he has done a lot for us already, far more than samsung and our carriers have done for sure.
I know the feeling of something that was once a hobby becomeing a chore...I don't want to pressure anyone to do that to themselves.
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Nah, i wouldnt say it got to me, id say i had to take a break because I feel i was wrong in coming unglued one day, for no reason.
Im running the HC build on my tab right now, kinda loving it, the froyo/gb **** is kinda old.
Waiting on a few thousand more downloads (lol) to see about testing new **** out.
the work wasnt the problem 90% of the time, what was the problem, was my email, PM's, gtalk, etc all blowing up with the mosty dumb ****ing questions, that i had addressed in the thread on how to install.....on how to install. lame i know.
lol, i guess not everyone can be a rocket scientist
"lol, i guess not everyone can be a rocket scientist"
True, but even a 5 year old can follow instructions.....
oldmacnut said:
Nah, i wouldnt say it got to me, id say i had to take a break because I feel i was wrong in coming unglued one day, for no reason.
Im running the HC build on my tab right now, kinda loving it, the froyo/gb **** is kinda old.
Waiting on a few thousand more downloads (lol) to see about testing new **** out.
the work wasnt the problem 90% of the time, what was the problem, was my email, PM's, gtalk, etc all blowing up with the mosty dumb ****ing questions, that i had addressed in the thread on how to install.....on how to install. lame i know.
lol, i guess not everyone can be a rocket scientist
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you heard it from the man him self lets try to keep this alive save the honey comb.
Id gladly donate to keep it alive, but alas the flamefest pissed him off rightfully so. Saw his cm7 post and credit was properly given. Some people just want it all. Oldmacnut ive said it before ...Thank You for all youve done. You will be missed
ya man it was a wild night of flames oldmacnut did alot for us but there are greener pastures for him