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Switching to evo from epic?

Well. I have decided to actually go to the Evo from the Epic. I have my reasons. I will get 50 back. I love the Epics screen and the keyboard, which I am using right now actually. The thing that gets me is. I can't put a pin on it but. I just like the Evo better. Its not the hardware. Which is still awesome and I love. Considering the Epic has much better hardware it is hard to explain the switch. I think I would enjoy the screen more. Is it gorilla glass? Also will he Evo get gingerbread? This is a hard decision...I like that the Evo has the otterbox support and such a large community. Also I think I woul enjoy the evo more. In a few months. Actually 3 I will have another upgrade to use and I believe something will be out by then. Also I had a Hero an I love Htc products. I also want Freshes roms. Lol
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The EVO is going to get all of the updates that the Epic gets and probably more. It also has much better developer support. HTC is just a much better phone manufacturer than Samsung.

That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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The EVO is fully rootable right now on any version.

Blitzpwnage said:
That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Definitely. The EVO is super-snappy, and the processor is easily enough.

Last-Chance said:
yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.
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agreed, I dont care about gaming on a cell phone. The only reason i brought that up is because the epic offers a much smoother experience when scrolling and pinching and zooming and **** like that because of the better GPU
Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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i am by NO means saying the Evo is a slouch, its still majorly fast, and is a DECENT gaming device if your into that, I was just making a point when the guy said the Evo is far from being outdate. I still love my Evo

Hey i really only buy HTC phones just do to development of them on this site..my girl has the epic and i think shes gonna either go evo in a week or hopefully they release a win pho 7 at the begining of october
Evo can play some 3d games..but for me I'll play a 3d game for alittle bit, but touch screen and accelerometer does not work for me. unless I get a keyboard and mouse hooked up

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.

Not to be off topic but I heard rumors of dual core proccesers out by x mas, any one here about that?
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Thats one thing I learned about Samsung, on paper the specs are superior, but on actual performance and real world usage it falls far behind. The hardware is great, but the software they put on to run it is an epic fail. I haven't used the epic 4g yet, but this has been my experience with past Samsung phones and I dont expect the current to be much different.
And yes evohack I have also heard that dual core phones are scheduled to be out in Q4.

I have the fascinate and I can.say that the sammys needs help with their crap software. Touchwiz is a horrible joke and the GPS and lag is a real issue. Glad its not my primary phone. Thanks to google voice I can.play around with multiple phones and still get all.my calls.
The phone could.have used a better backcover. It feels cheap and prone to.smudges. should.have given it a rubberized feel like they do with a lot of the new.cases would.help. I might create something for that.
The phone is lightweight and screen is nice. Sammys better off with less touchwiz and more froyo. Hope he community will have something soon for it.
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baddubbin said:
Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.
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right, i think the adreno is about 20 million triangles per second where the SGX is about 90 million

I'm leaning at getting my 50 bucks back and getting the evo. I lover my epic but its just not what I need right now and that 50 bucks can go towards my 10 payment fee a month.im really going to miss this screen lol first I'm going to go play with the evo from radioshack then decide indefinitely...hows the evos screen??
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Blitzpwnage said:
..hows the evos screen??
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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Thats the real big thing for me, the support behind it, I had a Hero before the Epic and loved it, I was looking at fresh 3.2 and I guess it has some amazing battery life can this actually be confirmed, I get crap battery from my Epic...

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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idk, to me the screen nor the keyboard are big points. The screen has burn in issues, and some of the colors aren't even displayed right. + I'm pretty sure the screen is a lot more expensive to replace then an lcd one and easier to break/scratch.
The only reason I thought of switching a while ago was the cpu/gpu, but after I thought about it, it just would be retarded to switch.
Because:
1. TW is crap compared to sense.
2. The cpu/gpu would be a waste since I wouldn't even use it much.
3. It's samsung.

Blitzpwnage said:
hows the evos screen??
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It's big and beautiful, and with LCD Density Changer you can fit so much on the screen at once.

[Q] should i keep my nexus one or buy a G2??

I have been using my nexus one since 8 months....n i literally love this fon....now my friend bought a g2 and m kinda impressed by it....so i need the advice of u guys here....would it b a better upgrade
???? And will it have same development as the nexus one???
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wait for nexus s/2 and 2.3 to come out before buying a new phone.

Only you can tell if it's a worthy upgrade. Do you need the keyboard?
Same development support? don't think so...

Mokurex said:
Only you can tell if it's a worthy upgrade. Do you need the keyboard?
Same development support? don't think so...
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i think you are wrong... i have seen a big decline in ROMs for the Nexus... even eViL kinda forgot us and updates his ROMs every once in a while and now he is actively working on Tmo 4G ROM ported to the G2... i am startling to slowly lose faith in my Nexus...

me to...
I'm really debating it also, after watching videos of the 800mhz 2nd generation Snapdragon out-preform the Nexus One, it makes it really tempting. As far as development goes I saw 'Evil' already has some ROMS, he has ported the MyTouch4G and Desire Z ROMS. One improvement I think was forgotten was a brighter screen it appears to the same OLED screen. The keyboard and optical trackpad are a nice improvement also, messing with the optical trackpad makes me hate my trackball

death_shadow said:
I'm really debating it also, after watching videos of the 800mhz 2nd generation Snapdragon out-preform the Nexus One, it makes it really tempting. As far as development goes I saw 'Evil' already has some ROMS, he has ported the MyTouch4G and Desire Z ROMS. One improvement I think was forgotten was a brighter screen it appears to the same OLED screen. The keyboard and optical trackpad are a nice improvement also, messing with the optical trackpad makes me hate my trackball
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yea, and i even asked eViL on twitter and here in the forums if he forgot us and he just ignored my question and never answered it...

Wait for the Nexus S by Samsung.

zainqaiser said:
I have been using my nexus one since 8 months....n i literally love this fon....now my friend bought a g2 and m kinda impressed by it....so i need the advice of u guys here....would it b a better upgrade
???? And will it have same development as the nexus one???
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You had the phone for a short amount if time. If you really want to upgrade, the G2 is the way to go. The Mytouch 4G in any other color but white is good as well, but if you want the same experience, go for the G2. The "Nexus 2" looks extremely plastic and it basically is a vibrant.
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I just jumped on the G2 band wagon...
Better processor & qwerty keyboard!
Dont get me wrong I loved me Nexus One but missed the qwerty keyboard from my old G1. Also it usually doesn't take long for new ROMs to be ported accross to other devices.

how come it's a better cpu? it's not even 1ghz and gingerbread needs atleast 1 ghz cpu.

korhanes said:
how come it's a better cpu? it's not even 1ghz and gingerbread needs atleast 1 ghz cpu.
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its a newer 800 mhz cpu (capable of 1.4 ghz stable). Much like the Intel Atom processors of today are 1. something Ghz, but they run faster than many 2ghz chips from 2001. Hz is just a clock speed, if the chip can do more in less time, you don't need as high of a clock speed.
If a man had 1 arm and could lift 300 lbs with it, thats pretty strong, but If i could lift 200 lbs in each of my 2 arms, i'm lifting 400 lbs in the same time. Make sense?
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Last i saw the Gingerbread requirements were never official, and listed on a russian site and then picked up by rumor sites. The G2 is more than capable of running it. And those sites all claimed gingerbread was 3.0, which we know is not true. it is 2.3.

If you are on tzones or the $10 web2go plan then the G2 is not worth the data price hike. $10 web2go is the single best feature on the N1. The savings alone can get me a free phone every 2 years.

crater said:
its a newer 800 mhz cpu (capable of 1.4 ghz stable). Much like the Intel Atom processors of today are 1. something Ghz, but they run faster than many 2ghz chips from 2001. Hz is just a clock speed, if the chip can do more in less time, you don't need as high of a clock speed.
If a man had 1 arm and could lift 300 lbs with it, thats pretty strong, but If i could lift 200 lbs in each of my 2 arms, i'm lifting 400 lbs in the same time. Make sense?
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Good explanation, its like the old Celeron and Pentuim processors. A Celeron with a higher clock speed doesn't mean its better than a Pentium. It comes done to the architecture of chip.
Thus meaning the Qualcomm Snapdragon isant as good as their new Scropion chip.

Thnx guys for all ur replies.....so after reading all the advices.....m gonna wait more to decide.....the thing i want is development....i know nexus s will get the more of it....but between mytouch 4g and g2 which is better....i just love my nexus one and even have my name on its back... but i have this problem of getting new phones ....if i had enuf money i wud keep my nexus n buy one more phone........

Disclaimer: It's Friday, I had a few beers... if this was already said, I apologize. I didn't read the thread first.
Reason to wait:
If you use a belt holster, if you're neurotic, if you're a perfectionist, if you ride a bike and attach your phone to a messenger bag strap with something like the Body Glove case, if you use your phone in your bed before you go to sleep... wait. The Z-Hinge design kind of sucks. It's nice that it flips open so easily, but it doesn't say open or shut. I had one for a week and I returned it. Before I gave up on the G2, the T-Mobile employee let me see three brand new devices (I felt really guilty about it). It's a known issue with T-Mobile (I called and asked) but it's not technically a defect according to HTC. Either way, it's annoying. Otherwise, the phone rules. Really, it's great. It's fast, it looks good, the optical trackpad is awesome, it runs vanilla Android... but that damn Z-Hinge ruins it.
But if you were the type of kid to not constantly F with your loose tooth until it fell out, then the G2 will be fine for you.

shiznt said:
Good explanation, its like the old Celeron and Pentuim processors. A Celeron with a higher clock speed doesn't mean its better than a Pentium. It comes done to the architecture of chip.
Thus meaning the Qualcomm Snapdragon isant as good as their new Scropion chip.
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People obviously don't read specs into their depth.
Scorpion is the CPU.
Snapdragon is a chip, that includes Scorpion CPU.
The CPU of Nexus and G2 are EXACTLY the same. Which effectively means that CPU-power-wise-only, G2 is slower. Not that it matters much.

Jack_R1 said:
People obviously don't read specs into their depth.
Scorpion is the CPU.
Snapdragon is a chip, that includes Scorpion CPU.
The CPU of Nexus and G2 are EXACTLY the same. Which effectively means that CPU-power-wise-only, G2 is slower. Not that it matters much.
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I thought that it was a newer(45nm) cpu too... I guess they only pimped out the gpu.
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ChongoDroid said:
I thought that it was a newer(45nm) cpu too... I guess they only pimped out the gpu.
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Not only GPU. There are some architectural changes, I posted about it some time ago (LPDDR2 support, for example). Overall, it's a more balanced, refined chip. But sometimes when I see sheer power comparisons between those CPUs, with all the "new generation" and other irrelevant analogies, I can't stop myself from setting things straight. Comparing sheer power, 7x30 loses, unless it's running the same frequency as 8x50.

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If you are on tzones or the $10 web2go plan then the G2 is not worth the data price hike. $10 web2go is the single best feature on the N1. The savings alone can get me a free phone every 2 years.
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If you like that...you would love the 5.99 tzones plan.

mprziv said:
If you like that...you would love the 5.99 tzones plan.
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Yea I would. Too bad Im a new customer and dont retentions wouldnt give me any of those. Today seems to be the final day of the unlimited web2go plans, starting tomorrow new customers will only get to pick between 200mb for $10 or $30 for unlimited.

Retail Packaging and Photos of the EVO Shift 4G - Engadget

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.

Hrshycro said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.

Award Tour said:
I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.

Hrshycro said:
Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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How is it slower? I agree that it's not a overall very appealing phone but how is it faster? It has a better CPU but more importantly it has a much better GPU.

This is the 2nd gen snapdragon and it overclocks like a motha! I been hearing 1.7 Ghz OC stable on G2's. I'm just turned off by the small screen and the keyboard. It's a shame really. I just hope the next evo has the looks of the Desire HD, but with better cpu/gpu.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???

Dan330 said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
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I am all over this if those specs are correct. I have been looking for a slide out keyboard smartphone running android. I know there is the Epic, but Samsung phones have a history of no support/sucking.
Currently got an Touch Pro 2, and just waiting for the perfect phone. The front facing camera is the make or break for me. I would like to have that, and if this phone ends up not having it then I won't get it. All the pictures seem to show a camera on the front by the top speaker bar, so I am hoping all the rumors that there is no FFC are wrong.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
Previous specs from androidpolice.com NOT correct (here is the box showing the 5MP camera, no ffc). It's the desire-z without the hinge. Still a better cpu/gpu than the evo, but...

Hrshycro said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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What's funny is the Evo is actually about to be outdated tech. Hell, the CPU/GPU is the next generation of Snapdragon, so it is actually moving forward.
My girlfriend has an Evo, and i love it, but i like how this phone has the same resolution in a smaller screen.
I'm definitely getting one on launch day.

The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?

I find it odd not one person has mentioned the landscape sense. That's usually a hit

I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.

Alfred F. Jones said:
I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't an Evo 2 to with dual-core processor released in the summer.

Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.

mattykinsx said:
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!

mattykinsx said:
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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firemedic1343 said:
You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
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that is a great arguement/point..
but it has a great flaw as well!
wait 3-5 months... and reuse
wash, rinse, and repeat...

Hrshycro said:
Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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that is exactly what i was gonna say, if it had the new sense then i would've thought about it. Plus it wont work with a powermat, i love my evo for that

fenixjn said:
Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
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My wife is completely gaga over this phone and being someone who got suckered by Samsung and my local sprint reps (When I was torn between the epic and the evo at epic launch, they all said 'hands down its the epic it'll have 2.2 in a few weeks'...heh) into buying a phone with a keyboard I wish I had gone the other way. Personally, I hate the blue tint of the phone, I despise the trackpad (who uses a trackpad anymore?), I could care less about the lack of FFC or the 5mp vs 8mp but in all honesty there needed to be a smaller alternative for people wanting high-end hardware on sprint without having to have a massive screen. Part of the reason my better half loves this phone is that she rarely carries a purse and if she got an Epic or an Evo she could not carry her phone in her pocket as she is used to and would then have to carry a bag for it.

Sprint just posted the fact sheet but no availability date.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news/htc-evo-shift-4g-fact-sheet.htm
the fact sheet says it has the newest version of HTC Sense. There's no reason they wouldn't include it.

Sprint at ces

I am following ces and everyone is getting dual core phones with crazy specs and sprint all they have announced is the shift hope this changes cause I really like sprint how does everyone else feel
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I'm sure that sprint well get a dual core phone, but they never get,cutting edge technology first.
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I really thought they were going to announce the HTC sabor guess that not going to happen pretty disappointed so far
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Links to Dual Core PHONES mentioned Ive been scouring engadget and Cnet and phone arena but to no avail!

ttieder said:
I am following ces and everyone is getting dual core phones with crazy specs and sprint all they have announced is the shift hope this changes cause I really like sprint how does everyone else feel
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Probably won't see much from Sprint here. Maybe at MWC for Spring/Summer announcements. BTW, some of these phones are crazy good. AT&T is surprisingly looking on top with their Android phones now. First the Inspire 4G with a non gimped 4.5" SAMOLED and 1.2 GHz Hummingbird and now the Atrix w/ dual core and a HUGE battery (I knew dual cores would be battery eaters).

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Links to Dual Core PHONES mentioned Ive been scouring engadget and Cnet and phone arena but to no avail!
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/motorola-atrix-4g-announced-for-atandt/
Dual core + HSPA+/"4G" + 1GB (!) of RAM + 1900 mAh battery
Edit: As cool as dual cores are, I wonder how a updated <45nm 1 GHz Cortex A9 and 1900 mAh battery would be like. It'd be a lot faster than the current single core 1 GHz phones and probably would last 24 hours with moderate to heavy use. I know a ton of people would disagree but my dream EVO 2 would include something like that plus a really powerful GPU.

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/motorola-atrix-4g-announced-for-atandt/
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Danke my hard hatted friend!

When is Sprints big event? Its so fracking laughable, they announce the Shift, a G2 just remodeled like it is some revolutionary phone and these other companies are getting monsters I am so disappointed Sprint, like I said the hilarity at us loyal customers getting shafted is funny!

ttieder said:
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Great minds think alike, i seriously was about to write this! I'm getting a little irate at the moment, i really hope they at least getting the LG Black since it hasn't been announced to any carriers yet.

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Hmm the first 4G phone with front facing Camera.
If that's not cutting edge you must be a time traveler....Dr Who kind of ****.

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Hmm the first 4G phone with front facing Camera.
If that's not cutting edge you must be a time traveler....Dr Who kind of ****.
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He cannot be a time lord because Dr Who is the last of the time lords you NOOB!
I really do hope Sprint gets SOMETHING though.

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Hmm the first 4G phone with front facing Camera.
If that's not cutting edge you must be a time traveler....Dr Who kind of ****.
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Might have been the first pseudo 4G phone but not the first with a front facing camera. And if you're argument is that it had both, I could just pull out two obscure features and call a lot of phones the "first".

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He cannot be a time lord because Dr Who is the last of the time lords you NOOB!
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Ha
Dr who has a son named alex2792 floating around out there that truly is the last time lord.
This will be reveled to all next session so bookmark this thread

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Might have been the first pseudo 4G phone but not the first with a front facing camera. And if you're argument is that it had both, I could just pull out two obscure features and call a lot of phones the "first".
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Its the first phone with 4G and front cam.
Combined they are cutting edge what do you not understand about my original post?
If I stated Its the first 4G phone with the first front cam your post would make sense.
Anyway Enough word games Alex is a time traveler

in the poor guys defense it was the "1st" 4G phone in america to go public.

sling said:
Its the first phone with 4G and front cam.
Combined they are cutting edge what do you not understand about my original post?
If I stated Its the first 4G phone with the first front cam your post would make sense.
Anyway Enough word games Alex is a time traveler
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Like I said, it's a poor argument. Front facing cams on phones were cutting edge when they were being pushed along with 3G way back when. It just never caught on and is still pretty fringe today. I've always said this, and it sure to piss you off, but aside from being a WiMax phone the EVO was nothing more than a HD2 with Android on it. Hardly cutting edge.
These phones on the other are clearly on a new level.

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Like I said, it's a poor argument. Front facing cams on phones were cutting edge when they were being pushed along with 3G way back when. It just never caught on and is still pretty fringe today. I've always said this, and it sure to piss you off, but aside from being a WiMax phone, the EVO was nothing more than a HD2 with Android on it. Hardly cutting edge.
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they were cutting edge together because owners of the combo can truly preform quality video chat without wifi.
That's cutting edge combo my friend.
It also opened the door for cross platform cam apps...Tango etc

I really hope the LG black is for sprint to or something the shift can't be all that would be really sad if they get dominated like that
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Like I said, it's a poor argument. Front facing cams on phones were cutting edge when they were being pushed along with 3G way back when. It just never caught on and is still pretty fringe today. I've always said this, and it sure to piss you off, but aside from being a WiMax phone the EVO was nothing more than a HD2 with Android on it. Hardly cutting edge.
These phones on the other are clearly on a new level.
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A processor battery eating bump & what NFC? Big whoop. They all seem to follow the EVO's theme.
The guy was right, nothing match the EVO (feature for feature) and at the time it launched & it was "the biggest reveal" at the show.
Show me some battery innovations, removable ram & graphics, USB OTG, Biometric capacitive screens, etc in these new phones & then I'll say ok a "whole new level".

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A processor battery eating bump & what NFC? Big whoop. They all seem to follow the EVO's theme.
The guy was right, nothing match the EVO (feature for feature) and at the time it launched & it was "the biggest reveal" at the show.
Show me some battery innovations, removable ram & graphics, USB OTG, Biometric capacitive screens, etc in these new phones & then I'll say ok a "whole new level".
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There are a ton of new better phones in CES and a few of them are ushering a new level in smartphones. Maybe it's not just one, but these all ARE on a new level. I'll focus on one: The Astrix.
The Tegra 2 it has is a dual core Cortex A9. That's a next gen CPU. Everything out now (the old Snapdragon, the new Snapdragon/Scorpions, Hummingbird, and OMAPs) all have Cortex A8's. A single core Cortex A9 would handily out perform any of those right now, now add in the fact that it's a dual core.That's a new level if I've ever seen one. Battery life with dual cores have ALWAYS been a concern for me but it looks like this phone has that covered with a whopping 1900 mAh stock battery.
Now let's talk about memory. 1 GB of RAM, double ups on all phones except the MYT4G and Desire HD which have 768 MB. 16 GB of internal storage not that new but combined with a preloaded 32 GB micro SD and it's most I've seen out of a Android phone out of the box.
The screen is a 4" 960x540 resolution display (16:9). Not the first but definitely next gen compared to the current gen of Androids phones.
Some usual suspects: front facing camera, HSPA+ for "4G" speeds. Some new/different ones: Fingerprint reader, computer docking.
When the EVO was announced it really was just a HD2 with WiMax and Android. It was the Android phone we were all expecting but aside from WiMax it was current gen. This and a few other phones shown today are absolutely next gen with no 2010 phone being able to compare. Bottom line, the EVO was Android hardware catching up and introducing WiMax; this phone is setting a standard for all phones.

Message to all you ship jumpers[Advice]

Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet

maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........

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maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........
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I use to think like that until i looked at the specs its not worth upgrade the only dual core phone i would say get is Nexus if exynos rumors are true an the support will be excellent as always with NXS phones Snapdragons suck that is why i stay away from Htc

with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer

If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)

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with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer
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But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing

Jasonhunterx said:
Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet
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Hercules:
1. Has a Super AMOLED+ Display, which is superior to the 1st gen SAMOLED displays (No Pen-Tile, Bettery Battery Life, etc.)
2. Dual Core Processor which can save power, and generally offers better performance - just one of it's cores is faster than ours and even back when teh Vibrant/G2 was released the Scorpion CPU was faster than the Hummingbird. The Hummingbird just had a much better GPU integrated into it.
3. HSPA+ radio
4. Double the RAM of the Vibrant, which is actually more than double when you factor in the RAM dedicated to the GPU. So more like ~110% More System/App-accessible RAM (since the GPU RAM dedicated didn't change AFAICT).
5. 10% bigger battery
6. Better Camera/Camcorder, with LED Flash
7. 2 MegaPixel Front-Facing Camera
8. Wi-Fi Direct, USB On the Go (Not Sure if in US Variants)
9. Actually a factorable level of support from the carriers and OEMs at least for another year+, especially those who stick very close to the international specs (Hercules dubious here)
It's not just about the CPU. That's actually not the first thing to bottleneck in these phones, unless you're doing something specifically to tax it heavily. GPU, RAM, and I/O for example will all bottleneck before the CPU in real-world use.
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Jasonhunterx said:
But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing
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Even when Quad Core phones come out, there will be a better one 4 months later. It's the nature of the beast.
And people said the same about Dual Core processors. They'll say the same thing about 20 core processors in 5 years or whatever time it takes for them to come out, as well...

has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.

N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.

Most of improvements are minor the only thing that would make me wanna switch is the ram an flash an maybe gps only two things that make me mad about phone but i wouldnt say its stupid to upgrade but not best choice an i used sensation which i think is same cpu as herc an it was a little slow i know it has sense which is ram hog but it had 300+
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N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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xriderx66 said:
has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.
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But cpu has been used in other phones an all tech has flaws
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If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the epic touch (nor the SGS2's) battery will fit in the vibrant (battery is to big).

Jasonhunterx said:
That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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Obviously it wasn't needed as much as you need to learn grammar.

Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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Because your a grammar nazi, correct?
Dude GTFO.
Just because he forgot a few , . ' 's doesn't mean he has bad grammar at all.
I've seen people who can't spell things like TABLE, and their well above their age to be able to spell TABLE.

quest4fire said:
Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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More like 3 lol but i mean like people upgrade for minor things i like innovation

I've skipped the dual core laptops, now I have quad core...so I'll probably do the same with my phone, unless it got bricked before that... and I still love it.
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