Retail Packaging and Photos of the EVO Shift 4G - Engadget

Retail Packaging and Photos of the EVO Shift 4G - Engadget - EVO 4G General

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.

Hrshycro said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.

Award Tour said:
I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.

Hrshycro said:
Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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How is it slower? I agree that it's not a overall very appealing phone but how is it faster? It has a better CPU but more importantly it has a much better GPU.

This is the 2nd gen snapdragon and it overclocks like a motha! I been hearing 1.7 Ghz OC stable on G2's. I'm just turned off by the small screen and the keyboard. It's a shame really. I just hope the next evo has the looks of the Desire HD, but with better cpu/gpu.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???

Dan330 said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
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I am all over this if those specs are correct. I have been looking for a slide out keyboard smartphone running android. I know there is the Epic, but Samsung phones have a history of no support/sucking.
Currently got an Touch Pro 2, and just waiting for the perfect phone. The front facing camera is the make or break for me. I would like to have that, and if this phone ends up not having it then I won't get it. All the pictures seem to show a camera on the front by the top speaker bar, so I am hoping all the rumors that there is no FFC are wrong.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
Previous specs from androidpolice.com NOT correct (here is the box showing the 5MP camera, no ffc). It's the desire-z without the hinge. Still a better cpu/gpu than the evo, but...

Hrshycro said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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What's funny is the Evo is actually about to be outdated tech. Hell, the CPU/GPU is the next generation of Snapdragon, so it is actually moving forward.
My girlfriend has an Evo, and i love it, but i like how this phone has the same resolution in a smaller screen.
I'm definitely getting one on launch day.

The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?

I find it odd not one person has mentioned the landscape sense. That's usually a hit

I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.

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I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't an Evo 2 to with dual-core processor released in the summer.

Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.

mattykinsx said:
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!

mattykinsx said:
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
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that is a great arguement/point..
but it has a great flaw as well!
wait 3-5 months... and reuse
wash, rinse, and repeat...

Hrshycro said:
Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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that is exactly what i was gonna say, if it had the new sense then i would've thought about it. Plus it wont work with a powermat, i love my evo for that

fenixjn said:
Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
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My wife is completely gaga over this phone and being someone who got suckered by Samsung and my local sprint reps (When I was torn between the epic and the evo at epic launch, they all said 'hands down its the epic it'll have 2.2 in a few weeks'...heh) into buying a phone with a keyboard I wish I had gone the other way. Personally, I hate the blue tint of the phone, I despise the trackpad (who uses a trackpad anymore?), I could care less about the lack of FFC or the 5mp vs 8mp but in all honesty there needed to be a smaller alternative for people wanting high-end hardware on sprint without having to have a massive screen. Part of the reason my better half loves this phone is that she rarely carries a purse and if she got an Epic or an Evo she could not carry her phone in her pocket as she is used to and would then have to carry a bag for it.

Sprint just posted the fact sheet but no availability date.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news/htc-evo-shift-4g-fact-sheet.htm
the fact sheet says it has the newest version of HTC Sense. There's no reason they wouldn't include it.

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Switching to evo from epic?

Well. I have decided to actually go to the Evo from the Epic. I have my reasons. I will get 50 back. I love the Epics screen and the keyboard, which I am using right now actually. The thing that gets me is. I can't put a pin on it but. I just like the Evo better. Its not the hardware. Which is still awesome and I love. Considering the Epic has much better hardware it is hard to explain the switch. I think I would enjoy the screen more. Is it gorilla glass? Also will he Evo get gingerbread? This is a hard decision...I like that the Evo has the otterbox support and such a large community. Also I think I woul enjoy the evo more. In a few months. Actually 3 I will have another upgrade to use and I believe something will be out by then. Also I had a Hero an I love Htc products. I also want Freshes roms. Lol
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The EVO is going to get all of the updates that the Epic gets and probably more. It also has much better developer support. HTC is just a much better phone manufacturer than Samsung.

That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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The EVO is fully rootable right now on any version.

Blitzpwnage said:
That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Definitely. The EVO is super-snappy, and the processor is easily enough.

Last-Chance said:
yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.
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agreed, I dont care about gaming on a cell phone. The only reason i brought that up is because the epic offers a much smoother experience when scrolling and pinching and zooming and **** like that because of the better GPU
Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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i am by NO means saying the Evo is a slouch, its still majorly fast, and is a DECENT gaming device if your into that, I was just making a point when the guy said the Evo is far from being outdate. I still love my Evo

Hey i really only buy HTC phones just do to development of them on this site..my girl has the epic and i think shes gonna either go evo in a week or hopefully they release a win pho 7 at the begining of october
Evo can play some 3d games..but for me I'll play a 3d game for alittle bit, but touch screen and accelerometer does not work for me. unless I get a keyboard and mouse hooked up

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.

Not to be off topic but I heard rumors of dual core proccesers out by x mas, any one here about that?
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Thats one thing I learned about Samsung, on paper the specs are superior, but on actual performance and real world usage it falls far behind. The hardware is great, but the software they put on to run it is an epic fail. I haven't used the epic 4g yet, but this has been my experience with past Samsung phones and I dont expect the current to be much different.
And yes evohack I have also heard that dual core phones are scheduled to be out in Q4.

I have the fascinate and I can.say that the sammys needs help with their crap software. Touchwiz is a horrible joke and the GPS and lag is a real issue. Glad its not my primary phone. Thanks to google voice I can.play around with multiple phones and still get all.my calls.
The phone could.have used a better backcover. It feels cheap and prone to.smudges. should.have given it a rubberized feel like they do with a lot of the new.cases would.help. I might create something for that.
The phone is lightweight and screen is nice. Sammys better off with less touchwiz and more froyo. Hope he community will have something soon for it.
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baddubbin said:
Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.
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right, i think the adreno is about 20 million triangles per second where the SGX is about 90 million

I'm leaning at getting my 50 bucks back and getting the evo. I lover my epic but its just not what I need right now and that 50 bucks can go towards my 10 payment fee a month.im really going to miss this screen lol first I'm going to go play with the evo from radioshack then decide indefinitely...hows the evos screen??
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..hows the evos screen??
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.

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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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Thats the real big thing for me, the support behind it, I had a Hero before the Epic and loved it, I was looking at fresh 3.2 and I guess it has some amazing battery life can this actually be confirmed, I get crap battery from my Epic...

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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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idk, to me the screen nor the keyboard are big points. The screen has burn in issues, and some of the colors aren't even displayed right. + I'm pretty sure the screen is a lot more expensive to replace then an lcd one and easier to break/scratch.
The only reason I thought of switching a while ago was the cpu/gpu, but after I thought about it, it just would be retarded to switch.
Because:
1. TW is crap compared to sense.
2. The cpu/gpu would be a waste since I wouldn't even use it much.
3. It's samsung.

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hows the evos screen??
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It's big and beautiful, and with LCD Density Changer you can fit so much on the screen at once.

Evo or Evo Shift

I currently have a Moment (and it sucks: which is why I don't want an Epic yet alone another Samsung).
I'm wanting a new phone that can handle 3d games without lagging.
I have heard that the new Evo Shift will have the same 800mhz chip that is in the new G2. That chip has been overclocked to a stable 1.6ghz and getting over 3000 in Quadrant.
Also the other rumor is that the Shift will have an upgraded GPU. Which is even better.
Honestly the 3.8" screen isn't that much smaller than the screen on the Evo. It could be the perfect size.
Plus it has a physical keyboard.
Truthfully, it sounds like I already made up my mind. But I guess I have to wait until specs and reviews are out for this phone.
Anyone else getting this Shift over an Evo?
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If the 3D gaming is that important, and it was concerning the two, than sure I think most would suggest the Shift.
But at this point I'd also suggest seeing what's on the horizon and truth be told Sprint doesn't have the grandest selection but I can see that changing. Some big **** around the corner, but if now - or soon - a new phone is needed and that's what your primary concern is, then the Shift probably your best bet.
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CES is coming up this week, I believe, so I'd hold off and see what news comes out of there. Might be something sweet coming down the pipe. We'll have to see.

Ohh! Ohhh! Get Both The evo for now and the shift when it comes out

because you want games...
then EVO Shift is for you!
I need the bigger screen. It dont sound like much... but when you put them side by side... it is a big difference!

Dan330 said:
because you want games...
then EVO Shift is for you!
I need the bigger screen. It dont sound like much... but when you put them side by side... it is a big difference!
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True. But the super amoled screen of the epic is awesome. I actually like that than the evo. It really is all up to what the final specs are off the Shift.
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if gaming is what you want, shift could be for you. do not get the shift for the keyboard. i can type faster on swype than i ever could with a slide out. you might not think .4 inches is much, but the evo screen is much bigger than the shift screen. i'd look at both side by side and see.

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<_>

Personally, I would wait for something else all together.
Something with a better processor & gpu. This summer should have what you're looking for (although maybe not from HTC).

If you want games then, as said, the Shift is probably for you.
As for physical keyboards, overrated. When I had a Samsung Intercept while my EVO was being "serviced" by Best Buy I only used it because the touch screen was so useless on that thing.
Typing on the EVO is awesome. Keys are bigger than any slide out since the screen is so big. It all comes to preference though.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
some more specs have been released...
I am considering it.
I want a front facing camera... and 8meg camera.
i want to hear about the CPU/GPU and RAM.
can I live with 3.7" vs my current EVO 4.3"??
what are your thoughts on the dev community for this phone?
The EVO has so much more activity before it was released. And the Dev community is great on the EVO.

Latest spoiler from a feed that I'm subscribed to only has this Shift with a 5 mega-pixel camera not 8 and no front camera.
If this is true then I will not get this phone. I'll buy a pair of EVO's off eBay and save my upgrades for something better.
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Why not consider the epic. You had an old samsung phone that sucked? Well I had an old htc phone that sucked 2 years ago, but all phones are different.
The samsung galaxy s line is really fast, and with the new ext4 mod on the epic, its crazy fast, like nexus s fast.
If you care about a keyboard, gaming, and camera quality the epic will be as good as or better than the shift.
And don't fall into the mega pixel trap when comparing cameras. The evo camera aint great and video sucks. The shift will be just like the tmobile g2, which is very good. Finally the epic takes pictures and video that rival the iphone in quality, which is to say the best in class for cellphones. With the epic , you can leave your digital camera at home.
Really do a thorough comparison of the epic and evo shift in person before you decide. Don't let yourself be fooled by differnces in 2.1 vs 2.2 software or touchwiz vs sense. You will have changed all your software in a week anyway with xda.
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navoid said:
Why not consider the epic. You had an old samsung phone that sucked? Well I had an old htc phone that sucked 2 years ago, but all phones are different.
The samsung galaxy s line is really fast, and with the new ext4 mod on the epic, its crazy fast, like nexus s fast.
If you care about a keyboard, gaming, and camera quality the epic will be as good as or better than the shift.
And don't fall into the mega pixel trap when comparing cameras. The evo camera aint great and video sucks. The shift will be just like the tmobile g2, which is very good. Finally the epic takes pictures and video that rival the iphone in quality, which is to say the best in class for cellphones. With the epic , you can leave your digital camera at home.
Really do a thorough comparison of the epic and evo shift in person before you decide. Don't let yourself be fooled by differnces in 2.1 vs 2.2 software or touchwiz vs sense. You will have changed all your software in a week anyway with xda.
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LOL difference is everyone was hesitant to jump back on with Samsung, and for good reason. At least these people that were nervous can sleep easy knowing they were right and that Samsung hasn't done much to change the tune others sing. And when the day arrives that I leave my digitial camera at home and rely SOLELY on a phone ... well, heck, that probably wont happen for a while. I've seen pictures taken with a crappy old 3mp digital cam that look crisper and better in every sense of the word.
Samsung dropped the ball, Epic has nice hardware but they don't compare to HTC. And HTC may not have a perfect track record in the past but they have definitely stepped it up lately.
The Galaxy S phones have been pretty down the middle, some good to go with all that bad.
edit; don't want to discount the fact that the Epic is a decent phone, will be the 3rd best Sprint offering (Whoa - never thought I'd give Sprint props like that) but it should at least "irk" you, and maybe not you directly, with how the whole Galaxy S phones have been handled. Especially with all the talk of Android not getting updates and Samsung support being piss poor. 2.1 treats it fine, my buddies epic flies sure but Touchwiz is horrid and the state of support or lack thereof should be the straw that breaks the camels back or however the hell that goes. I couldn't see anyone honestly suggesting the Epic over the Shift though, as was my point. And the Mega pixel jab, that was true and maybe a low blow but when people hear someone saying "this camera ownz leave dat digi at home, homeboi" it only sets people up for disappointment. Truly and honestly. That's a slight(ly bogus) exaggeration. If not, you must not possess a decent shooter. And no, I'm not talking about the one on the back of the phone.
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Get the shift

i know 3.8 doesn't sound much smaller, but when you see them side by side the difference is significant. if I was buying a phone now is go with the 4.3” HTC Thunderbolt coming out in a few days on Verizon.
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epic... is good.
but there are things that just add up.. to point me away from the epic.
these things have been discussed many times.
I just want to point out 1 thing.... the backing of HTC products in XDA and other forums by Devs. the choices !!!!!!
that is top of my list for any phone.

Check out this review of the evo shift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZET2gMKAH2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As you can see from side by side pictures the screen is incredible small against the EVO generation 1. I would agree with the others, wait for CES, i'm sure sprint have a EVO 2 around the corner, after using a 4.3 inch screen i don't want to go down to smaller, just my opinion. To me the shift might be a little bit better for gaming, albeit it's not a HUGE step up. If it had the hummingbird cpu i would say get it, but even now dual cpus moving in, so just try to be patient, because in the long run you will regret it, especially if you're on contract.
[edit] http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/sprint-trots-out-htc-evo-shift-4g-and-new-3g-4g-mifi-from-nova/ - And it has no FFC sorry to bust your bubbles lol.

mykenyc said:
Check out this review of the evo shift:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZET2gMKAH2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
As you can see from side by side pictures the screen is incredible small against the EVO generation 1. I would agree with the others, wait for CES, i'm sure sprint have a EVO 2 around the corner, after using a 4.3 inch screen i don't want to go down to smaller, just my opinion. To me the shift might be a little bit better for gaming, albeit it's not a HUGE step up. If it had the hummingbird cpu i would say get it, but even now dual cpus moving in, so just try to be patient, because in the long run you will regret it, especially if you're on contract.
[edit] http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/sprint-trots-out-htc-evo-shift-4g-and-new-3g-4g-mifi-from-nova/ - And it has no FFC sorry to bust your bubbles lol.
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Thanks for the links man, my wife has been smitten with the Evo Shift since I originally found leaked pics of it and she'll be excited to see a video of it being used. I've been trying to get her to wait to see what else comes out or to perhaps get a regular Evo but she is convinced she needs a keyboard (I felt the same way but now that I use Swype 99 times out of 100 I wish I had gotten an Evo and not an Epic but such is life). Anyways, I'm looking forward to reading the Evo Shift board and hope some of the veterans of the Evo board help out over there (assuming the similar form factor extends to the software architecture...Hey, I've got an epic and none of the related phones offer any software relatability lol)

Anyone switch from the Epic?

I have had an Epic since launch and i do love the phone. The battery life isn't the greatest and the keyboard misses keys, but i do love the screen, camera and GPU.
I have the opportunity to switch to a Shift if i please, so i'm wondering if anyone has switched from the Epic and if they life the Shift better and why, and also what they don't like better.
The FFC is no issue for me, and i do understand the screen is a downgrade and so is the camera (just slightly though).
I'm looking for feedback on how the battery compares, any lag, keyboard, responsiveness, etc.
Thanks

I would suggest reading through here

BrandoKC said:
I would suggest reading through here
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I read that, it includes the Evo as well. I'm looking for answers to my questions about the comparisons.

I switched from an Epic to a Shift (w/i my 30 days) and let me say I for one am more satisfied. It is completely personal preference, I do not use a FFC for anything and do not play any games really and preferred the portability. The Epic would be the choice if you play a lot of games but for me personally the 2.2 and probable support (i.e. 2.3) plus the smaller size pushed me in the direction of the Shift. Coming from someone who had a the Epic for almost 3 and a half weeks the phone of great but I just was worried that the lack of Samsung support for the phone would make the purchase seem dated in a few months.
Hope this helps!

mheat3 said:
I switched from an Epic to a Shift (w/i my 30 days) and let me say I for one am more satisfied. It is completely personal preference, I do not use a FFC for anything and do not play any games really and preferred the portability. The Epic would be the choice if you play a lot of games but for me personally the 2.2 and probable support (i.e. 2.3) plus the smaller size pushed me in the direction of the Shift. Coming from someone who had a the Epic for almost 3 and a half weeks the phone of great but I just was worried that the lack of Samsung support for the phone would make the purchase seem dated in a few months.
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Awesome, mind if i pick your brain?
1) How does the keyboard compare?
2) Does it lag at times?
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift?
4) Do you miss the Epic screen?
Thanks!

1) How does the keyboard compare? about the same, although i rarely use the keyboard except for longer messages/emails
2) Does it lag at times? not in my experience so far
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift? about the same, with an edge to Shift (i got two days on my last charge)
4) Do you miss the Epic screen? at times (sunlight etc) but overall its not that big of a deal

zeravla531 said:
Awesome, mind if i pick your brain?
1) How does the keyboard compare?
2) Does it lag at times?
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift?
4) Do you miss the Epic screen?
Thanks!
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I am the "only" one who seems to have a slow shift. I could ramble more but I will stick to the questions asked and answer them from the experience I've received with my phone.
1. I make less mistakes typing on the shift hardware keyboard.
2. Yes. Comparing it to evo and epic, yes.
3. Honestly, I don't remember anything that makes a major difference in battery life between the two that would stand out (except for one thing). I can charge the shift and use it and the battery level will increase. I cannot do the same with the epic. The shift seems, notice I said seems, to take less time to fully charge than the epic.
4. I miss the epic's larger screen. The colors were bright and the blacks were definitely black. Comparing either htc to the epic, the htc's colors look blah and washed out. They aren't really but the colors on the epic are vibrant, dare I say exaggerated, when compared to whatever in real life. The epic screen is definitely in the eye candy category.
Most of the other shift owners out there will probably disagree with me. It's kinda like windows. With a fresh install, or straight out of the box, that's the fastest its ever going to run. From that point on, its all downhill. The more you install on it, the slower it will get. That is just my opinion.

I had an epic from launch and my wife has a shift. The screen is really not that much of a downgrade except in terms of size. Its very quick and will only get faster once oc kernels. Personally I jumped to the evo because I like the big screen but that is just a preference thing.
As to the keyboard it is light years ahead of the samsung. The only issue I've had is that with a case on hitting the top row can be a little difficult but then again I have fat fingers. My wife absolutely loves the phone and I would readily recommend it to anyone who either thinks the evo is too big or wants a physical keyboard.
I do not miss the screen at all. Finally I was getting 28 hours on bonsai4all with the epic. My wife spends a lot of time on facebook and browsing the web and its generally around 20% when she plugs it in at night so its pretty decent. It does charge significantly slower than my evo or the epic but if you charge it over night you'll never notice.
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Between the Samsung Epic and the HTC EVO Shift 4G, I would recommend the Epic. Samsung already has an FroYo 2.2.1 update in place. The push back comes from Sprint as they the update is still being reviewed by their QA/QC team so FroYo 2.2.1 is not just a dream for those who have the Samsung Epic. The Epic has Corning's Gorilla Glass instead of regular glass like on the HTC EVO Shift 4G. The Gorilla Glass is resistant to not only scratching, but cracking and shattering if dropped. A drop from 1 meter on to a non cushioned surface such as carpeting will have you kissing your LCD on the HTC EVO Shift 4G goodbye. You also get a SAMOLED screen which has a more vivid display of colors, microSD 8x larger on the Samsung Epic, $50 worth of free movie/television episode rentals as well as a CPU which is still faster than the one in the HTC EVO Shift 4G which is a 2nd generation CPU for the Snapdragon. I personally feel the $50 difference more for the Samsung Epic over the HTC EVO Shift 4G is worth it.

wireless.praying.mantis said:
Between the Samsung Epic and the HTC EVO Shift 4G, I would recommend the Epic. Samsung already has an FroYo 2.2.1 update in place. The push back comes from Sprint as they the update is still being reviewed by their QA/QC team so FroYo 2.2.1 is not just a dream for those who have the Samsung Epic. The Epic has Corning's Gorilla Glass instead of regular glass like on the HTC EVO Shift 4G. The Gorilla Glass is resistant to not only scratching, but cracking and shattering if dropped. A drop from 1 meter on to a non cushioned surface such as carpeting will have you kissing your LCD on the HTC EVO Shift 4G goodbye. You also get a SAMOLED screen which has a more vivid display of colors, microSD 8x larger on the Samsung Epic, $50 worth of free movie/television episode rentals as well as a CPU which is still faster than the one in the HTC EVO Shift 4G which is a 2nd generation CPU for the Snapdragon. I personally feel the $50 difference more for the Samsung Epic over the HTC EVO Shift 4G is worth it.
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I disagree entirely. While the update may not be a dream, it is indicative of the kind of support samsung has for their devices and for a top-of-the-line phone to be A) Released without the most recent OS Update and B) Go more than four months without being updated is just pathetic and it doesn't bode well for a Gingerbread update which is again pathetic. With Samsung's showing at CES its clear that the already released SGS devices are a distant memory in their minds which is sickening. I will never and I repeat never buy another Samsung product after how I felt treated by their customer support.
As for the Hummingbird processor being faster you are only partially correct. The 800MHz processor in the Shift is underclocked to that speed and has been successfully overclocked to a stable 1.9GHz whereas nothing similar has been done on the Epic (people who bring up the supposed 1.6GHz achieved on the epic was not real) and have more than doubled the scores the Epic or any other currently released device has ever achieved in any benchmark. The one thing the Epic and any Hummingbird based phone has the upper hand in is graphics processing and I will admit that it is leaps and bounds ahead of any other processor on the market in that aspect. But as I know no one who uses their phone as a serious gaming platform its a non-issue.
Finally, as to the screens: I sold TVs for quite a while. I can pick out the difference between a Samsung first gen LED TV and a second gen. I can tell you within a reasonable margin of error the color contrast ratio on any television (by reasonable I mean within say a hundred on a lower end tv and within a few thousand on the high end LEDs). I can look at a TV and tell you how well the color is calibrated in it within a few images.
Can I see the difference between the SAMOLED and the SLCD? Yes, I can. But even to my very trained eyes it is negligible. Very negligible. My wife, a person who cannot tell you if we have a LED, LCD, or Plasma television despite being with me when we bought it can't tell the difference at all.
And the gorilla glass? Yes its strong. But if you drop your phone, bad things happen. Period. If you worry about dropping your phone, save the $50 you would waste on an absolute POS and get an Otterbox case or something in that vein. I can promise you'll be much happier.
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I just noticed your 'mistake' in the spelling of shift. You've been reported for cursing and trolling.

kenvan19 said:
I disagree entirely. While the update may not be a dream, it is indicative of the kind of support samsung has for their devices and for a top-of-the-line phone to be A) Released without the most recent OS Update and B) Go more than four months without being updated is just pathetic and it doesn't bode well for a Gingerbread update which is again pathetic. With Samsung's showing at CES its clear that the already released SGS devices are a distant memory in their minds which is sickening. I will never and I repeat never buy another Samsung product after how I felt treated by their customer support.
As for the Hummingbird processor being faster you are only partially correct. The 800MHz processor in the Shift is underclocked to that speed and has been successfully overclocked to a stable 1.9GHz whereas nothing similar has been done on the Epic (people who bring up the supposed 1.6GHz achieved on the epic was not real) and have more than doubled the scores the Epic or any other currently released device has ever achieved in any benchmark. The one thing the Epic and any Hummingbird based phone has the upper hand in is graphics processing and I will admit that it is leaps and bounds ahead of any other processor on the market in that aspect. But as I know no one who uses their phone as a serious gaming platform its a non-issue.
Finally, as to the screens: I sold TVs for quite a while. I can pick out the difference between a Samsung first gen LED TV and a second gen. I can tell you within a reasonable margin of error the color contrast ratio on any television (by reasonable I mean within say a hundred on a lower end tv and within a few thousand on the high end LEDs). I can look at a TV and tell you how well the color is calibrated in it within a few images.
Can I see the difference between the SAMOLED and the SLCD? Yes, I can. But even to my very trained eyes it is negligible. Very negligible. My wife, a person who cannot tell you if we have a LED, LCD, or Plasma television despite being with me when we bought it can't tell the difference at all.
And the gorilla glass? Yes its strong. But if you drop your phone, bad things happen. Period. If you worry about dropping your phone, save the $50 you would waste on an absolute POS and get an Otterbox case or something in that vein. I can promise you'll be much happier.
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I just noticed your 'mistake' in the spelling of shift. You've been reported for cursing and trolling.
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I concur -_-
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zeravla531 said:
I have had an Epic since launch and i do love the phone. The battery life isn't the greatest and the keyboard misses keys, but i do love the screen, camera and GPU.
I have the opportunity to switch to a Shift if i please, so i'm wondering if anyone has switched from the Epic and if they life the Shift better and why, and also what they don't like better.
The FFC is no issue for me, and i do understand the screen is a downgrade and so is the camera (just slightly though).
I'm looking for feedback on how the battery compares, any lag, keyboard, responsiveness, etc.
Thanks
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I am currently using both devices. I'm yet to have a full days use with the Shift but ill post back when I can give an honest and educated opinion. I've used the Epic for about 2 months so I know that phone fairly well.
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'Mistakes" happen.

wireless.praying.mantis said:
'Mistakes" happen.
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They rarely happen with such precision.
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herbthehammer said:
I am the "only" one who seems to have a slow shift. I could ramble more but I will stick to the questions asked and answer them from the experience I've received with my phone.
1. I make less mistakes typing on the shift hardware keyboard.
2. Yes. Comparing it to evo and epic, yes.
3. Honestly, I don't remember anything that makes a major difference in battery life between the two that would stand out (except for one thing). I can charge the shift and use it and the battery level will increase. I cannot do the same with the epic. The shift seems, notice I said seems, to take less time to fully charge than the epic.
4. I miss the epic's larger screen. The colors were bright and the blacks were definitely black. Comparing either htc to the epic, the htc's colors look blah and washed out. They aren't really but the colors on the epic are vibrant, dare I say exaggerated, when compared to whatever in real life. The epic screen is definitely in the eye candy category.
Most of the other shift owners out there will probably disagree with me. It's kinda like windows. With a fresh install, or straight out of the box, that's the fastest its ever going to run. From that point on, its all downhill. The more you install on it, the slower it will get. That is just my opinion.
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I was wrong. I just discovered that it was an unknown app that was causing my slowdowns and lag. I haven't figured out which one or combination of apps was causing the problems. I uninstalled just about everything I downloaded then I noticed a dramatic speed increase all of a sudden. Less is more. My shift is snappy like everyone elses now.

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I was wrong. I just discovered that it was an unknown app that was causing my slowdowns and lag. I haven't figured out which one or combination of apps was causing the problems. I uninstalled just about everything I downloaded then I noticed a dramatic speed increase all of a sudden. Less is more. My shift is snappy like everyone elses now.
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Assuming the app(s) was nothing embarrassing, would you please share what it was?
Edit: just read your other post where you state you do not know.

Just bought the EVO Shift 4g and I still have my Epic 4g. My wife has the EVO 4g. I have got to say that “day 1” impressions on the little Shift are HIGH.
The display is not as big as the Epic’s or EVO’s, but the text is SUPER crisp, especially when compared to the Epic. The blacks and color contrast is better on the Epic but the difference is not too bad. It’s the texts that are not even comparable. The Shift wins hands down in that category.
Battery after one day is superior on the Shift.
Keyboard, despite the fact it’s missing the top row that the Epic has, is much better in feel and actually records EVERY one of my inputs. I was constantly having issues with the Samsung Epic’s keyboard not responding to all of my inputs.
Quality is a no brainer here. The Shift feels like one SOLID piece when compared to the Epic. The Epic's slider does automatically slide all the way to the open position with little effort, but is EXTREMELY cheap in its feel. Simply put, you know that the Epic is a slider and the Shift feels like one solid piece.
The Shift feels perfect in size when used as a phone. There’s a new concept! It is a phone.
Overall I am extremely pleased with the overall experience. I will continue to report back with the differences noted in the upcoming days.
One last thing. I can’t believe that this bad boy is only running at 800 MHz because it is as or more responsive than my Epic. Trust me, I tried ALL ROMs out there for the Epic and the Shift is definitely holding its own. I could only imagine what it will feel like once rooted with a solid overclocking kernel.

1) How does the keyboard compare?
The Shift wins hands down. Once you get used to the size difference there's no comparison. I've never missed a key whereas the Epic was notorious for that.
2) Does it lag at times?
Not in my experience. I've been using it for about 2 days consistently and while surfing the web, listening to music and bouncing between messages I haven't experienced any lag. Maybe its too new for that to be a factor.
3) What battery life were you getting with the Epic and now with the Shift?
Equivalent with the Epic being slightly better at times. I generally have music playing consistently thoughout the day. At the time I'm using both the Epic and the shift with the Epic being the device I play music on. Listening to music all day I was charging my Epic by about 8 pm after taking from the charger at about 11. I was charging my Shift shortly after that after a day of constant messaging and occasional internet browsing. I would assume music consumes more battery. But I haven't tried the same music listening rate on the shift yet.
4) Do you miss the Epic screen?
Yes but not enough to sway my thoughts either way.
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Anyone jumping to galaxy SII?

I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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musclehead84 said:
I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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I definitely want it but by the time my 2 year renewal is up I will probably be getting the Galaxy 3D

Yep I only have 7 years under my belt, because of that I have no clue what will be next.....next is sept 2012 lol.... it wont be an sgs2 unless I really have to have it and can shell out the extra 75 bucks in nov. I know for sure I made a good choice tho, my epic will still stand tall for another 12+ months, I'm enjoying the ride anyhow.
Side note, I'm not so sure the mali400 gpu that's in the sgs2 is anything great, unless its only running one gpu core at the moment, which means samsung will have to update it later....cough never. I want a phone with a powerful gpu and am hoping for sgx-543 or better.

kennyglass123 said:
I definitely want it but by the time my 2 year renewal is up I will probably be getting the Galaxy 3D
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May have to let my 2-y-o use my phone like a hockey puck again :-D
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Won't be easy. I've really fallen in love with the game gripper on my epic. I use the keyboard to type every single text message. I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
The Galaxy S2 looks freakin amazing. I love it. I want it. I Just want it... with a keyboard

hydralisk said:
Won't be easy. I've really fallen in love with the game gripper on my epic. I use the keyboard to type every single text message. I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
The Galaxy S2 looks freakin amazing. I love it. I want it. I Just want it... with a keyboard
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musclehead84 said:
I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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For me it depends if we get the sexy thin version I keep seeing or a softer cartoonish body like the Epic. I don't want a hard keyboard or the thicker shell that comes with it. I want a gorgeous phone next time. The Epic is already plenty functional so only sexy AND functional will ever get me to upgrade.

..But I'll still have a year in my contract by the time it comes out
Wait..Does this thing have a Tegra 2?

hydralisk said:
I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
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Clearing data helps swype not suck so much. Its too bad the custom dictionary entries just end up making swype mess up every other word
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SpicyBurrito said:
..But I'll still have a year in my contract by the time it comes out
Wait..Does this thing have a Tegra 2?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-official-tegra-2-4-3-inch-super-amoled-plu/
Update: We were originally told that the Galaxy S II would be using an NVIDIA Tegra 2 SOC, but have been informed that was incorrect -- the phone will indeed have a dual-core 1GHz Samsung chip, and quite possibly the Exynos. There's also 1GB of RAM.
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No; there was an error in reporting when the specs were first put out, it seems.

No, I'm waiting for galaxySIII.
Quad core
4 Gb ram
2600p camera
Android 4.0
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dchawk81 said:
For me it depends if we get the sexy thin version I keep seeing or a softer cartoonish body like the Epic. I don't want a hard keyboard or the thicker shell that comes with it. I want a gorgeous phone next time. The Epic is already plenty functional so only sexy AND functional will ever get me to upgrade.
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I totally agree. Samsung would have hit a homerun with the Epic had they given it some harder corners and a little more heft but if the GSII comes in some professional packaging I may seriously consider it.

The dual core processor isn't going to make it that much speedier. Sure it will let you listen to music, browse the web, and play games at the same time. But actual game performance won't be that much improved. Just as it was with PCs and multiple cores.

Not Getting the GS2 AT ALL!!
im Getting the Evo 3D
why you ask? Looks like neither will have keyboards and the Evo gets all the Dev love.
Plus 1.2 Dual core ... i don't need more than that these processors are sooo overclockable its crazy...
Also i think alot of people will never buy Samsung again so its Dev community will even be smaller....

My current Hummingbird is handling everything fine. I'd just like a more attractive form and a larger screen. I'm a fan of face tablet phones I think 4.3" is the sweet spot.

LunaticWolf said:
The dual core processor isn't going to make it that much speedier. Sure it will let you listen to music, browse the web, and play games at the same time. But actual game performance won't be that much improved. Just as it was with PCs and multiple cores.
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My laptop blows away my desktop. Both are 2.16ghz clocks. The laptop is dual core. The desktop is single core.

I hope Sprint changes the looks of it if they get it, I dont like the way it looks.

dchawk81 said:
My laptop blows away my desktop. Both are 2.16ghz clocks. The laptop is dual core. The desktop is single core.
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Name the era. Of course a 2010 2.1ghz is going to blow away a 2006 2.1ghz. The refinement isn't the cores, but how much the processor can do with a single clock.
2006 dual cores were no faster than 2006 single cores, except for multi-tasking.
Just as quad cores in 2009-2010 had little benefit over their dual core counterparts, unless you are doing video encoding or 3d rendering via blender or maya.

LunaticWolf said:
Name the era. Of course a 2010 2.1ghz is going to blow away a 2006 2.1ghz. The refinement isn't the cores, but how much the processor can do with a single clock.
2006 dual cores were no faster than 2006 single cores, except for multi-tasking.
Just as quad cores in 2009-2010 had little benefit over their dual core counterparts, unless you are doing video encoding or rendering.
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you'll barely notice the speed difference in the Evo3d or The GS2 compared to the Epic right now... but it will make a HUGE difference overall like the battery life and other thingys

Here's a preview of the international version of the Galaxy S II. The 8 megapixel camera is the best they have ever seen and can record 1080p video with full 30 fps! I hope for the Sprint version they leave out the keyboard and put in an even bigger battery (already a solid 1650mah). I'll take this over the HTC Evo 3d. 3d is such a silly gimmick.

Evo Design 4G

I'm wondering is it actually better than the og Evo?
8mp vs 5 MP camera
1ghz vs 1.2 ghz processeor
Kickstand vs no kickstand (I know not really a big deal)
4.3 in screen vs 4 in screen
Battery...to be continued
Massive dev support vs ??
Domestic radio vs world phone**
(My favorite improvement)
What u think? Is it even better than the 3D? Does the lack of dual core really make much of a difference
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I'll let you know on Monday

_Cooze_ said:
I'll let you know on Monday
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Haha good looking
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for me the absence dual core really makes a difference.
rdia am grateful to for giving me this forum stated he is very good and has lots of variety.

Seems like a decent offering with a solid price point for those not wanting some cutting edge specs. But I don't know if I'd go from a 4G to this, especially locking in for 2 years.

In hindsight I prediro a specification point.

rruss said:
I'm wondering is it actually better than the og Evo?
8mp vs 5 MP camera
1ghz vs 1.2 ghz processeor
Kickstand vs no kickstand (I know not really a big deal)
4.3 in screen vs 4 in screen
Battery...to be continued
Massive dev support vs ??
Domestic radio vs world phone**
(My favorite improvement)
What u think? Is it even better than the 3D? Does the lack of dual core really make much of a difference
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i got my evo 4g on release day, had it for about 9 months and then bought a shift. i then switched to us cellular 3 weeks ago, had a motorola electrify (photon) and swapped it for the hero-s which is the same as the evo design minus the wimax radio and world capabilities. figured i'd post my thoughts on it here since there's no forum for the hero-s.
the camera is absolutely fantastic. i'm assuming the design will have the same one. it's got a f2.2 lens, so it's amazing in low light. i use my camera a LOT and that was a big downside to the electrify for me.
the cpu is a 2nd generation snapdragon, so it's more than just a 200mhz speed bump. it's quite a bit faster. it also has an adreno 205 vs. the 200 as the gpu, which is a significant upgrade. i honestly don't notice much of a difference between my hero-s and the electrify i had. i don't play many cpu/ gpu intensive games, but it's run everything i've thrown at it with ease. it's not a top of the line multi-core speed demon, but i really don't need that. it's fast, everything runs smooth, and that's all i need/ want.
no kickstand, but not really needed. the 4" qhd screen is probably 90% of the reason i went with this phone. the screen looks great, i really like the higher resolution, and it's just so much easier for me to hold. i actually have pretty big hands, but the evo 4g and electrify are just awkward for me to hold. i sold my evo 4g and got a shift because of this, and traded my electrify for the hero-s for the same reason. this should be a great choice for people who don't want a bigger screen.
battery life seems decent. i can make it through the day with moderate use. if i'm driving i'll plug it in if i'm using nav/ maps, but overall it's ok. probably a bit better than my shift and it seems better than my evo 4g from what i can remember of it.
as for massive dev support... oh god i hope there's some action with this phone on sprint, there's not much going on with it on the USC side (at least not yet). i'd think it'll get rooted/ s-off somewhat quickly, but who knows. this thing would scream with cm7 on it, and i'm thinking it'll run ICS just fine.
there's no world phone capabilities on my hero-s, so i can't comment on that. it seems like that would be a very nice feature for people who need it though.
overall, i love this thing. it's very thin, i love the aluminium unibody, the button placement is great, it's very zippy, the screen resolution and size are perfect for me, and the camera is fantastic. i never thought i'd say this, but i actually kind of *like* sense 3.0 too. i think it's a great phone if you don't need the latest and greatest, and if you want a screen that's between 3.5" and 4.3", this might be what you're looking for. hope this helps, and if anyone has any questions about the phone i'll answer if i can!

if i could break my evo and get this as a replacement that would be nice...

Rocklee99 said:
if i could break my evo and get this as a replacement that would be nice...
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You may be able to since the evo has been discontinued idk if this means anything but a couple years ago I broke my sidekick and called to get it replaced with T-Mobile but they said it is discontinued so they gave me a g1 of course that was when it first came out but like I said that was tmobile who knows what sprint will do
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if i could break my evo and get this as a replacement that would be nice...
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Yeah, I wouldn't complain.
viva la MIUI

It has the smaller 45nm scorpion core which generates less heat and uses less power, so that's a plus, and I believe clock for clock the Scorpion core is faster than the original Snapdragon 65nm core. Then there's the Adreno 205 as far as visually demanding apps goes.

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i got my evo 4g on release day, had it for about 9 months and then bought a shift. i then switched to us cellular 3 weeks ago, had a motorola electrify (photon) and swapped it for the hero-s which is the same as the evo design minus the wimax radio and world capabilities. figured i'd post my thoughts on it here since there's no forum for the hero-s.
the camera is absolutely fantastic. i'm assuming the design will have the same one. it's got a f2.2 lens, so it's amazing in low light. i use my camera a LOT and that was a big downside to the electrify for me.
the cpu is a 2nd generation snapdragon, so it's more than just a 200mhz speed bump. it's quite a bit faster. it also has an adreno 205 vs. the 200 as the gpu, which is a significant upgrade. i honestly don't notice much of a difference between my hero-s and the electrify i had. i don't play many cpu/ gpu intensive games, but it's run everything i've thrown at it with ease. it's not a top of the line multi-core speed demon, but i really don't need that. it's fast, everything runs smooth, and that's all i need/ want.
no kickstand, but not really needed. the 4" qhd screen is probably 90% of the reason i went with this phone. the screen looks great, i really like the higher resolution, and it's just so much easier for me to hold. i actually have pretty big hands, but the evo 4g and electrify are just awkward for me to hold. i sold my evo 4g and got a shift because of this, and traded my electrify for the hero-s for the same reason. this should be a great choice for people who don't want a bigger screen.
battery life seems decent. i can make it through the day with moderate use. if i'm driving i'll plug it in if i'm using nav/ maps, but overall it's ok. probably a bit better than my shift and it seems better than my evo 4g from what i can remember of it.
as for massive dev support... oh god i hope there's some action with this phone on sprint, there's not much going on with it on the USC side (at least not yet). i'd think it'll get rooted/ s-off somewhat quickly, but who knows. this thing would scream with cm7 on it, and i'm thinking it'll run ICS just fine.
there's no world phone capabilities on my hero-s, so i can't comment on that. it seems like that would be a very nice feature for people who need it though.
overall, i love this thing. it's very thin, i love the aluminium unibody, the button placement is great, it's very zippy, the screen resolution and size are perfect for me, and the camera is fantastic. i never thought i'd say this, but i actually kind of *like* sense 3.0 too. i think it's a great phone if you don't need the latest and greatest, and if you want a screen that's between 3.5" and 4.3", this might be what you're looking for. hope this helps, and if anyone has any questions about the phone i'll answer if i can!
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After reading that, I'm even more excited for Sunday!

pretty sure you'll love it- it's a damned nice little phone. my wife's swapping out her HTC merge (USCC's version of the evo shift) for a hero-s today since she liked mine so much and kept stealing it from me!
i made a mistake in my previous post, the hero-s *does* have GSM/ global roaming capabilities, so it really is very close to the evo design 4g then. it just doesn't have the wimax radio... so i'm hoping hoping hoping that any roms and root methods for the design will also work on the hero-s (like the photon stuff works on the electrify on USCC).

HTC Evo Design longer than Hero S??
Just read dimensions on Evo design 4g - and it seems it is longer (4.8 vs 4.5 inches) than the Hero S? Anyone have idea why as it looks like the same phone?

Is this phone worth a 2-year contract or would I be better off adding $50 or so dollars and buying a used Evo while I wait for the Prime?

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Is this phone worth a 2-year contract or would I be better off adding $50 or so dollars and buying a used Evo while I wait for the Prime?
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USed evo OR just wait for the prime

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Just read dimensions on Evo design 4g - and it seems it is longer (4.8 vs 4.5 inches) than the Hero S? Anyone have idea why as it looks like the same phone?
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Its the qhd screen I'm sure. The evo 3d is longer but less wide then the evo
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both evo design 4g and hero s have qhd screens. so why different reported dimensions?
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both evo design 4g and hero s have qhd screens. so why different reported dimensions?

I dunno, but I got it this afternoon and love it.. now I'll patiently wait for root...

All ima say is that I love me evo aka evie... The wide screen is just great for my fingers and the quality of the screen is awesome while I watch scrubs on netflix... Its a great phone but my only problem is that its old and im gonna want some dual-core lovin...
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