I'm wondering is it actually better than the og Evo?
8mp vs 5 MP camera
1ghz vs 1.2 ghz processeor
Kickstand vs no kickstand (I know not really a big deal)
4.3 in screen vs 4 in screen
Battery...to be continued
Massive dev support vs ??
Domestic radio vs world phone**
(My favorite improvement)
What u think? Is it even better than the 3D? Does the lack of dual core really make much of a difference
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I'll let you know on Monday
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Haha good looking
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for me the absence dual core really makes a difference.
rdia am grateful to for giving me this forum stated he is very good and has lots of variety.
Seems like a decent offering with a solid price point for those not wanting some cutting edge specs. But I don't know if I'd go from a 4G to this, especially locking in for 2 years.
In hindsight I prediro a specification point.
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I'm wondering is it actually better than the og Evo?
8mp vs 5 MP camera
1ghz vs 1.2 ghz processeor
Kickstand vs no kickstand (I know not really a big deal)
4.3 in screen vs 4 in screen
Battery...to be continued
Massive dev support vs ??
Domestic radio vs world phone**
(My favorite improvement)
What u think? Is it even better than the 3D? Does the lack of dual core really make much of a difference
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i got my evo 4g on release day, had it for about 9 months and then bought a shift. i then switched to us cellular 3 weeks ago, had a motorola electrify (photon) and swapped it for the hero-s which is the same as the evo design minus the wimax radio and world capabilities. figured i'd post my thoughts on it here since there's no forum for the hero-s.
the camera is absolutely fantastic. i'm assuming the design will have the same one. it's got a f2.2 lens, so it's amazing in low light. i use my camera a LOT and that was a big downside to the electrify for me.
the cpu is a 2nd generation snapdragon, so it's more than just a 200mhz speed bump. it's quite a bit faster. it also has an adreno 205 vs. the 200 as the gpu, which is a significant upgrade. i honestly don't notice much of a difference between my hero-s and the electrify i had. i don't play many cpu/ gpu intensive games, but it's run everything i've thrown at it with ease. it's not a top of the line multi-core speed demon, but i really don't need that. it's fast, everything runs smooth, and that's all i need/ want.
no kickstand, but not really needed. the 4" qhd screen is probably 90% of the reason i went with this phone. the screen looks great, i really like the higher resolution, and it's just so much easier for me to hold. i actually have pretty big hands, but the evo 4g and electrify are just awkward for me to hold. i sold my evo 4g and got a shift because of this, and traded my electrify for the hero-s for the same reason. this should be a great choice for people who don't want a bigger screen.
battery life seems decent. i can make it through the day with moderate use. if i'm driving i'll plug it in if i'm using nav/ maps, but overall it's ok. probably a bit better than my shift and it seems better than my evo 4g from what i can remember of it.
as for massive dev support... oh god i hope there's some action with this phone on sprint, there's not much going on with it on the USC side (at least not yet). i'd think it'll get rooted/ s-off somewhat quickly, but who knows. this thing would scream with cm7 on it, and i'm thinking it'll run ICS just fine.
there's no world phone capabilities on my hero-s, so i can't comment on that. it seems like that would be a very nice feature for people who need it though.
overall, i love this thing. it's very thin, i love the aluminium unibody, the button placement is great, it's very zippy, the screen resolution and size are perfect for me, and the camera is fantastic. i never thought i'd say this, but i actually kind of *like* sense 3.0 too. i think it's a great phone if you don't need the latest and greatest, and if you want a screen that's between 3.5" and 4.3", this might be what you're looking for. hope this helps, and if anyone has any questions about the phone i'll answer if i can!
if i could break my evo and get this as a replacement that would be nice...
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if i could break my evo and get this as a replacement that would be nice...
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You may be able to since the evo has been discontinued idk if this means anything but a couple years ago I broke my sidekick and called to get it replaced with T-Mobile but they said it is discontinued so they gave me a g1 of course that was when it first came out but like I said that was tmobile who knows what sprint will do
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if i could break my evo and get this as a replacement that would be nice...
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Yeah, I wouldn't complain.
viva la MIUI
It has the smaller 45nm scorpion core which generates less heat and uses less power, so that's a plus, and I believe clock for clock the Scorpion core is faster than the original Snapdragon 65nm core. Then there's the Adreno 205 as far as visually demanding apps goes.
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i got my evo 4g on release day, had it for about 9 months and then bought a shift. i then switched to us cellular 3 weeks ago, had a motorola electrify (photon) and swapped it for the hero-s which is the same as the evo design minus the wimax radio and world capabilities. figured i'd post my thoughts on it here since there's no forum for the hero-s.
the camera is absolutely fantastic. i'm assuming the design will have the same one. it's got a f2.2 lens, so it's amazing in low light. i use my camera a LOT and that was a big downside to the electrify for me.
the cpu is a 2nd generation snapdragon, so it's more than just a 200mhz speed bump. it's quite a bit faster. it also has an adreno 205 vs. the 200 as the gpu, which is a significant upgrade. i honestly don't notice much of a difference between my hero-s and the electrify i had. i don't play many cpu/ gpu intensive games, but it's run everything i've thrown at it with ease. it's not a top of the line multi-core speed demon, but i really don't need that. it's fast, everything runs smooth, and that's all i need/ want.
no kickstand, but not really needed. the 4" qhd screen is probably 90% of the reason i went with this phone. the screen looks great, i really like the higher resolution, and it's just so much easier for me to hold. i actually have pretty big hands, but the evo 4g and electrify are just awkward for me to hold. i sold my evo 4g and got a shift because of this, and traded my electrify for the hero-s for the same reason. this should be a great choice for people who don't want a bigger screen.
battery life seems decent. i can make it through the day with moderate use. if i'm driving i'll plug it in if i'm using nav/ maps, but overall it's ok. probably a bit better than my shift and it seems better than my evo 4g from what i can remember of it.
as for massive dev support... oh god i hope there's some action with this phone on sprint, there's not much going on with it on the USC side (at least not yet). i'd think it'll get rooted/ s-off somewhat quickly, but who knows. this thing would scream with cm7 on it, and i'm thinking it'll run ICS just fine.
there's no world phone capabilities on my hero-s, so i can't comment on that. it seems like that would be a very nice feature for people who need it though.
overall, i love this thing. it's very thin, i love the aluminium unibody, the button placement is great, it's very zippy, the screen resolution and size are perfect for me, and the camera is fantastic. i never thought i'd say this, but i actually kind of *like* sense 3.0 too. i think it's a great phone if you don't need the latest and greatest, and if you want a screen that's between 3.5" and 4.3", this might be what you're looking for. hope this helps, and if anyone has any questions about the phone i'll answer if i can!
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After reading that, I'm even more excited for Sunday!
pretty sure you'll love it- it's a damned nice little phone. my wife's swapping out her HTC merge (USCC's version of the evo shift) for a hero-s today since she liked mine so much and kept stealing it from me!
i made a mistake in my previous post, the hero-s *does* have GSM/ global roaming capabilities, so it really is very close to the evo design 4g then. it just doesn't have the wimax radio... so i'm hoping hoping hoping that any roms and root methods for the design will also work on the hero-s (like the photon stuff works on the electrify on USCC).
HTC Evo Design longer than Hero S??
Just read dimensions on Evo design 4g - and it seems it is longer (4.8 vs 4.5 inches) than the Hero S? Anyone have idea why as it looks like the same phone?
Is this phone worth a 2-year contract or would I be better off adding $50 or so dollars and buying a used Evo while I wait for the Prime?
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Is this phone worth a 2-year contract or would I be better off adding $50 or so dollars and buying a used Evo while I wait for the Prime?
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USed evo OR just wait for the prime
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Just read dimensions on Evo design 4g - and it seems it is longer (4.8 vs 4.5 inches) than the Hero S? Anyone have idea why as it looks like the same phone?
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Its the qhd screen I'm sure. The evo 3d is longer but less wide then the evo
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both evo design 4g and hero s have qhd screens. so why different reported dimensions?
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both evo design 4g and hero s have qhd screens. so why different reported dimensions?
I dunno, but I got it this afternoon and love it.. now I'll patiently wait for root...
All ima say is that I love me evo aka evie... The wide screen is just great for my fingers and the quality of the screen is awesome while I watch scrubs on netflix... Its a great phone but my only problem is that its old and im gonna want some dual-core lovin...
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
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I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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How is it slower? I agree that it's not a overall very appealing phone but how is it faster? It has a better CPU but more importantly it has a much better GPU.
This is the 2nd gen snapdragon and it overclocks like a motha! I been hearing 1.7 Ghz OC stable on G2's. I'm just turned off by the small screen and the keyboard. It's a shame really. I just hope the next evo has the looks of the Desire HD, but with better cpu/gpu.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
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I am all over this if those specs are correct. I have been looking for a slide out keyboard smartphone running android. I know there is the Epic, but Samsung phones have a history of no support/sucking.
Currently got an Touch Pro 2, and just waiting for the perfect phone. The front facing camera is the make or break for me. I would like to have that, and if this phone ends up not having it then I won't get it. All the pictures seem to show a camera on the front by the top speaker bar, so I am hoping all the rumors that there is no FFC are wrong.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
Previous specs from androidpolice.com NOT correct (here is the box showing the 5MP camera, no ffc). It's the desire-z without the hinge. Still a better cpu/gpu than the evo, but...
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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What's funny is the Evo is actually about to be outdated tech. Hell, the CPU/GPU is the next generation of Snapdragon, so it is actually moving forward.
My girlfriend has an Evo, and i love it, but i like how this phone has the same resolution in a smaller screen.
I'm definitely getting one on launch day.
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
I find it odd not one person has mentioned the landscape sense. That's usually a hit
I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
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I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't an Evo 2 to with dual-core processor released in the summer.
Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
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The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
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The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
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that is a great arguement/point..
but it has a great flaw as well!
wait 3-5 months... and reuse
wash, rinse, and repeat...
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Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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that is exactly what i was gonna say, if it had the new sense then i would've thought about it. Plus it wont work with a powermat, i love my evo for that
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Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
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My wife is completely gaga over this phone and being someone who got suckered by Samsung and my local sprint reps (When I was torn between the epic and the evo at epic launch, they all said 'hands down its the epic it'll have 2.2 in a few weeks'...heh) into buying a phone with a keyboard I wish I had gone the other way. Personally, I hate the blue tint of the phone, I despise the trackpad (who uses a trackpad anymore?), I could care less about the lack of FFC or the 5mp vs 8mp but in all honesty there needed to be a smaller alternative for people wanting high-end hardware on sprint without having to have a massive screen. Part of the reason my better half loves this phone is that she rarely carries a purse and if she got an Epic or an Evo she could not carry her phone in her pocket as she is used to and would then have to carry a bag for it.
Sprint just posted the fact sheet but no availability date.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news/htc-evo-shift-4g-fact-sheet.htm
the fact sheet says it has the newest version of HTC Sense. There's no reason they wouldn't include it.
OK, I just tried the 4G and 3D side-by-side for about 45 min. IMO the screens are not much different from one another in terms of the look of text and images, and if anything the 4G looks more contrasty! For the record I do see a minor difference in overall white balance, but it is minor and not worth fussing about. Note also that the narrower screen on the 3D means that images on web sites appear MUCH smaller than they do on the 4G. The 4G seems to fit the image to the page width while the 3D makes them smaller for some reason.
Also in testing, the 4G has a better camera for sure. It's sharper, better white balance and just as fast in operation as the 3D. I have a question - those of you who feel the 3D has a better screen - have you used them side-by-side, or are you going on memory?
I honestly found very little difference in terms of overall speed too - apps load about as fast as each other (camera, gallery, scrolling photos, google maps, gmail, etc. all work as fast on the 4D as they do on the 3D - using WIFI) Web pages usually loaded faster on the 4G!
Aside from being slightly more narrow, the only meaningful improvement *for me* would really be better battery life...but as my Evo gets through a day of heavy use as it is, I will not be using my upgrade for the 3D.
For the record, the Nexus S has more contrast than either of the Evos - though the Nexus also has Major battery issues...
pictures on 3D looks smaller because of the screen resolution...
i did side by side, today my 4G its going for sale, for me the screen on the 3d looks more like a retina display, better colors and crisp.
I got the 3d on launch day. Had the 4g since launch day. I'd give it a little more testing if I were you. The screen is much more crisp and sharp. Not sure how they had it set up where you tested it out at, but believe me when I tell you it does everything faster (as in opening apps, loading, etc.) Only thing I miss is the kickstand and the speaker from the O.G. Evo.
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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
For me, the OG Evo is fast enough. What I really want to address in a new phone are:
More contrast in screen - not addressed with the 3D
hand-holdability - not really addressed with the 3D (though it is slightly more narrow, but taller)
Battery life - my current 4G setup goes 24 hours with heavy use. Which is good IMO. Though I gather the 3D can do even better.
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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
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Hahahaha... Well, I have my OG Evo still and the Evo 3D. And I too notice the whites on the OG Evo appear brighter. But the difference between 800*480 compared to 960*540 is very noticeable. Like for example...both have Twidroyd installed on them...but I get 6 icons on the UberBar on the OG Evo; 7 on the Evo 3D...and text is definitely more crisp. Also very noticeable when zooming in on pics compared to the OG Evo.
I have both currently and the EVO 3d in my OP is an upgrade in all aspects. I even put the same wall paper on mine as my friends Samsung Fascinate and had a couple people look and they thought the EVO 3d had the better picture and more true colors.
The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.
Me too. The 3d is not enough better ;-)
When I get bored I swap between the Nexus and 4g.
If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.
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If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.
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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.
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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.
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I didn't mean to direct my comments at you.
No problem, I just wanted to be clear.
The E3D is significantly better than the EVO in so many aspects. The screen is mote crisp, has better contrast, and does not have the ridiculous purple tint that plagues the screens of so many EVOs.I didn't realise how bad the screen was until I got the 3D. The 3D is faster and has significantly improved battery life. The camera performs better in low light situations and the 3D is.a really sick feature. Most of the previously 3D naysayers actually love this feature in the 3D forums, including me. You may knock it, but you don't own one. I love my EVO but the 3D is clearly s much better phone on every aspect.
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The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.
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Asynchronous dual core = better battery life.
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The reason the speed isn't much different is because the 3d is running 2.3. 2.3 doesn't take advantage of the dual core processor correctly. Once 2.4 comes out and is sent to the 3d you will notice a huge difference from what i heard because it knows how to use the 3d's beastly hardware to the fullest. Haha
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I agree its not enough better for me to upgrade yet. I went from a Hero to an EVO and that upgrade was HUGE. Just not impressed enough with the 3D to use my upgrade yet, gonna wait and see what the future has in store.
I also have the 4 g on launch day and now have had the 3 d since launch day. You can definitely tell a difference with the processors. Browsing in scrolling through menus is faster than is ever been for me before. This dual core processor blows my mind.
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Yesterday I played with the one at the Best buy store. the 3D hurts your eyes. The only thing that makes this worth while is the processor. Otherwise its not worth the upgrade.
Sense 3.0 is nice, but you can get it with custom roms here.
One thing I couldn't figure out was does it support wifi N?
I went and tried it again for 30 min yesterday. What is interesting is that on WIFI, the 4G loads pages faster than the 3d EVERY TIME. I loaded probably 10 pages at the same exact time on both. 4G always won. Anyone else try this?
I'm sticking with the 4G until Seidio puts out an extended battery for the 3D.
They've announced a 1900 mAh one. That's not really extended IMO especially since stock is 1730 mAh.
There is a rumor of a super extended 3200 mAh. I guess that's okay, but it's not been confirmed yet. All the "pics" of it are of the Thunderbolt one.
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol
Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.
Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
@OP
The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it
I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?
Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.
If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.
So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys
Tried my friend's Sensation out for a day and he tried my Atrix out for the same day.
The Sensation was slightly laggy, even for such a powerful processor (or was i just used to the smoothness of the Atrix?) camera was awesome and overall the phone is pretty damn good! However, he got it back with a full battery (had to charge it overnight or else it would die on me) whereas when he gave my Atrix back, it was still running on the charge from a day ago, after his heavy use too (albeit, it was nearly dead). If i was you, i'd stay with the Atrix, but at the end of the day, it's up to you.
Only if you don't mind losing battery life...
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Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?
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Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?
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AFAIK it was all stock, not even rooted. We just like to swap our devices every once in a while (done the same with game consoles). I'm not saying it's a bad device though
If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.
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If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.
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yea i dont see that as a good idea as your buddy who gets the atrix will be the clear winner in that trade!
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double posted, same reply as above, sorry!
I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.
We all have difference opinions. Some may love it but some may not. Try testing out at places or with a friend and get the feel for it. Dev here are not very active just yet but in mean time they will.
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I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.
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I used to have an atrix and personally.. trading it for a sensation was the best move ever. However, I had to add on a bit of cash
I hate how the atrix recognizes the internal as an "sd card" and my other reasons was because Sense>Motoblur (in my opinion!) and I liked the looks of the sensation more + on top of that, (correct me if I'm wrong) the development in atrix forums seemed to slow down.. and on the other hand, sensations dev is still going strong! I also think that the back cover is 100x better - but, there's also flaws with the sensation cover. Can't say it's perfect
Also everyone complaining about battery life.. my sensation was unplugged 10pm last night, went to bed, woke up with 90% remaining, went to work! Got home it's now 3pm and I'm at 55% (I had a ~30 minute call and lots of texts as well as gmail syncing 2 accounts/facebook/twitter) HOWEVER I'm using a different battery. Look up "Anker". This thing is a beast! Surprisingly, it's lasting very well. I wouldn't say the battery is an issue. With this 55% it will definitely last me until tonight!
Just my two cents! I'm also in canada as well and signal/speed isn't an issue either.
You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.
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You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.
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Well, if he defends it and everyone elses opinions/arguments are better than his, then the atrix will be the clear winner! and agreed with the opinions part!
I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix
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I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix
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i would stick on the Atrix bandwagon for a little while longer, we're about to get nightlies on CM7 which means all our devs will be able to work on their own individual projects again. the only reason our development slowed down was because ibproud organized most of the Atrix devs into a group to port CM7 for us; now that it's almost done, people will start building their own ROMs and hacks.
it may take a month or two more, but it'll most definitely be worth the wait
Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
Sensation:
- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.
OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys
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If i were you i'd look to swap for the sensation XE not the sensation as i believe the atrix to be better than the normal sensation
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OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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?? Wtf?
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Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
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- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.
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I wouldn't say that the Geforce ULP is betfer than the Adreno 220 GPU. Just look at the benchmark results on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17 (don't forget the qHD resolution on all Adreno 220 phones either). Also the processor of the Atrix is not faster; it handles flash better because of software reasons, but that 0,2GHz difference is visible in Linpack, so I guess custom ROMs would unleash that power with software optimizations. Also something you left out is the lack of NEON support in the Atrix (no .mkv playback or high profile h.264).
I don't want to say that the Atrix is not a great phone - I had it for a while, but then sold it for an SGSII (great decision) - but the Sensation is just better imo.
The Nexus is tempting (as was Nexus S). But I'm going to stick with my good old Evo 4G. When it came out, it was the 1st superphone and so far ahead of its time that its still not outdated. My phone does everything I need and ICS will breathe new life into it. I don't think any of the new dual core phones are that much better.
My next upgrade will be to a 28mm SoC with integrated LTE that finally gives decent battery life on 4G.
I'm with you, but i do find it very hard not to get sucked into all of the constant hype around here. It is also tough when the devs you like start moving and you feel like you should follow with them. The EVO is still a great phone
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The Nexus is tempting (as was Nexus S). But I'm going to stick with my good old Evo 4G. When it came out, it was the 1st superphone and so far ahead of its time that its still not outdated. My phone does everything I need and ICS will breathe new life into it. I don't think any of the new dual core phones are that much better.
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Not outdated? Are you joking?
*Weak, single core processor. Dual core procs perform better. Period.
*Terrible, god awful graphics processor. Can't play any decent 3D games properly.
*Weak camera
*Terrible battery
*Average/Below average screen. Blacks aren't really black, resolution is low.
The Evo was(is?) a nice phone, but saying that it isn't outdated is a straight-up lie.
I was just thinking the same thing...the evo has been the one phone that I haven't gotten bored with even though I've had it since July of last year It was much more fun on Sprint but even on Metro (to save money) it's still a great device.
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Not outdated? Are you joking?
*Weak, single core processor. Dual core procs perform better. Period.
*Terrible, god awful graphics processor. Can't play any decent 3D games properly.
*Weak camera
*Terrible battery
*Average/Below average screen. Blacks aren't really black, resolution is low.
The Evo was(is?) a nice phone, but saying that it isn't outdated is a straight-up lie.
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It's still better then what 90% of people out there have, quit being melodramatic.
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I moved on to the Epic Touch only because I cracked the screen to a million pieces. EVO is an excellent phone and I miss the ROMs but this epic is an amazing phone. We have development going on and it's getting there but I honestly feel like there's a black hole without my EVO haha idk. And don't get sucked into that LOS problem. If your not stupid, you'll figure it out.
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I keep going and checking out the new phones and honestly, I have not found another phone to WOW me just yet. I have had mine since almost release day and with MikG ROMs, it runs great for everything I want to do. The dual 1.2 might be faster but not that much faster for what I use it for. I can email, text and watch Netflix on it. Ohe yeah, i make calls too! What should a smart phone do?
I will look at the real HTC EVO2 when it comes out but until them, I will keep my EVO!
I use my Evo every day despite having numerous more advanced devices. Mostly as a hotspot. But after using lots of dual core devices, man....you're clueless if you really think the dual cores aren't a massive upgrade. Evo was a bomb phone at the time, but at the rate tech advances....using my Evo the same day as my G2x or EpicTouch is painful. Every single interaction is slow as hell.
But it definitely holds a place in my heart and is definitely my overall fav of the phones I've own(ed).
Without the Evo, we wouldn't have the 4"+ size as the minimum standard for smartphones, 4G and so much else which is now common. Also it is one of the best supported phones in the dev community, and will be for a while. I can't wait to see what ICS will look like on it.
There is a night and day difference between a stock Evo and a rooted one with a nice Aosp rom like decks/Miui. I honestly don't feel like its slow and I use it for a ton of stuff, except 3d games.
For 99% of people, its more phone than they need, even today. That is not outdated. Not everyone wants to buy the top of the line greatest device, right?
Question for people who moved on - did you notice better reception, gps, or battery life? Besides performance, that's what matters most.
Even though part of me really wants a new phone, for most things, I am satisfied with the EVO.
Part of me kind of wants to wait for mid next year in order to really appreciate the upgrade from my EVO to what will likely be a quad-core beast......imagine the jump in speed upgrading from a single-core to quad, heh.
The Evo is way outdated in the numbers game, but it does everything I need and has a sweet kickstand.
This was also the first and likely only smart phone to wow me. When I first got into smart phones I had my G1 and was familiar with other devices like iPhone but the Evo blew me away the first time I saw one.
My only reason to upgrade was to not lose my upgrade. I bought a phone that I know will sell for big dollars.
I sort of like it now...it's a great phone for when I don't have time to screw with android.
The Evo is far from outdated. Despite it's age, it's hardware is still more than competent.
Yes, new CPUs may have improved instruction sets and/or optimizations to take advantage of, but the Snapdragon in the Evo is still hearty enough to run Android just fine. Although the Adreno 200 GPU is not a monster in the 3D department, it still leverages more than enough for almost any application, including most games.
Ice Cream Sandwich will take advantage of hardware acceleration, which will get more from the Adreno 200 than we ever have before, and should actually make Android run faster and be less CPU-intensive than previous iterations of Android.
The EVO, although dated, is still a strong device. Sure, we all have a desire to upgrade, and if you don't want the Galaxy Nexus you're lying--but honestly, there is little real reason to upgrade. ICS is going to run like a top on the Evo, and reinvigorate most user's experiences with their devices.
The EVO was my first smartphone, and I can say im probably gonna hang onto it for a while more. It does everything I need!
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Until Sprint launches the upcoming Nexus, I'm happy because of two words: Boot Manager. I have five ROMs that I flow through... Can't beat it.
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When I buy a new phone, the decision is not 'is this better than my current phone?'. It's 'is this phone good enough to last the next 2 years?'.
Evo passed that test. The Nexus does not. esp not at the $300 price point.
Really at a conundrum though. I love the development of HTC phones. The Nexus intrigues me, but the lack of ROM development for Nexus phones (outside of Cyanogen variants and Miui) makes me wonder if I will get bored.
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I would miss my EVO a lot when it comes time to upgrade. Gonna hang out as long as I can. The EVO design isn't too much of an upgrade in my opinion, the EVO 3d really catches my eye but the 3d would just be a novelty played out quickly. The photon is wierdly shaped lol and the epic touch is too thin in my opinion. Just my opinion, don't flame me but I feel like I would break it in my hands.
I'm personally gonna wait to see if HTC releases anything else exciting since I'm not due for an upgrade for another year anyways.
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Not outdated? Are you joking?
*Weak, single core processor. Dual core procs perform better. Period.
*Terrible, god awful graphics processor. Can't play any decent 3D games properly.
*Weak camera
*Terrible battery
*Average/Below average screen. Blacks aren't really black, resolution is low.
The Evo was(is?) a nice phone, but saying that it isn't outdated is a straight-up lie.
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While the processor is only a single core, it still flies in my book. Waiting for a quad core phone... Whew.
The GPU may not be the best, but it does what I ask of it, and that's what matters. I haven't had any problems with 3D.
I'm still amazed by the fact that they put an 8 MP camera in a phone.
The battery life only sucks if you leave it completely stock and don't root it. Find the right ROM and kernel and battery life is dramatically increased.
The HVGA display is plenty of resolution for a phone. My blacks are black and my colors are bright...
I have a question for you...are you sure we're taking about the same phone? Because I'm pretty sure I'm in an EVO 4G thread.
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