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Switching to evo from epic?

Well. I have decided to actually go to the Evo from the Epic. I have my reasons. I will get 50 back. I love the Epics screen and the keyboard, which I am using right now actually. The thing that gets me is. I can't put a pin on it but. I just like the Evo better. Its not the hardware. Which is still awesome and I love. Considering the Epic has much better hardware it is hard to explain the switch. I think I would enjoy the screen more. Is it gorilla glass? Also will he Evo get gingerbread? This is a hard decision...I like that the Evo has the otterbox support and such a large community. Also I think I woul enjoy the evo more. In a few months. Actually 3 I will have another upgrade to use and I believe something will be out by then. Also I had a Hero an I love Htc products. I also want Freshes roms. Lol
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The EVO is going to get all of the updates that the Epic gets and probably more. It also has much better developer support. HTC is just a much better phone manufacturer than Samsung.

That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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The EVO is fully rootable right now on any version.

Blitzpwnage said:
That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Definitely. The EVO is super-snappy, and the processor is easily enough.

Last-Chance said:
yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.
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agreed, I dont care about gaming on a cell phone. The only reason i brought that up is because the epic offers a much smoother experience when scrolling and pinching and zooming and **** like that because of the better GPU
Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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i am by NO means saying the Evo is a slouch, its still majorly fast, and is a DECENT gaming device if your into that, I was just making a point when the guy said the Evo is far from being outdate. I still love my Evo

Hey i really only buy HTC phones just do to development of them on this site..my girl has the epic and i think shes gonna either go evo in a week or hopefully they release a win pho 7 at the begining of october
Evo can play some 3d games..but for me I'll play a 3d game for alittle bit, but touch screen and accelerometer does not work for me. unless I get a keyboard and mouse hooked up

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.

Not to be off topic but I heard rumors of dual core proccesers out by x mas, any one here about that?
Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!

Thats one thing I learned about Samsung, on paper the specs are superior, but on actual performance and real world usage it falls far behind. The hardware is great, but the software they put on to run it is an epic fail. I haven't used the epic 4g yet, but this has been my experience with past Samsung phones and I dont expect the current to be much different.
And yes evohack I have also heard that dual core phones are scheduled to be out in Q4.

I have the fascinate and I can.say that the sammys needs help with their crap software. Touchwiz is a horrible joke and the GPS and lag is a real issue. Glad its not my primary phone. Thanks to google voice I can.play around with multiple phones and still get all.my calls.
The phone could.have used a better backcover. It feels cheap and prone to.smudges. should.have given it a rubberized feel like they do with a lot of the new.cases would.help. I might create something for that.
The phone is lightweight and screen is nice. Sammys better off with less touchwiz and more froyo. Hope he community will have something soon for it.
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baddubbin said:
Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.
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right, i think the adreno is about 20 million triangles per second where the SGX is about 90 million

I'm leaning at getting my 50 bucks back and getting the evo. I lover my epic but its just not what I need right now and that 50 bucks can go towards my 10 payment fee a month.im really going to miss this screen lol first I'm going to go play with the evo from radioshack then decide indefinitely...hows the evos screen??
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Blitzpwnage said:
..hows the evos screen??
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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Thats the real big thing for me, the support behind it, I had a Hero before the Epic and loved it, I was looking at fresh 3.2 and I guess it has some amazing battery life can this actually be confirmed, I get crap battery from my Epic...

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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idk, to me the screen nor the keyboard are big points. The screen has burn in issues, and some of the colors aren't even displayed right. + I'm pretty sure the screen is a lot more expensive to replace then an lcd one and easier to break/scratch.
The only reason I thought of switching a while ago was the cpu/gpu, but after I thought about it, it just would be retarded to switch.
Because:
1. TW is crap compared to sense.
2. The cpu/gpu would be a waste since I wouldn't even use it much.
3. It's samsung.

Blitzpwnage said:
hows the evos screen??
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It's big and beautiful, and with LCD Density Changer you can fit so much on the screen at once.

CES and Sprint?

what's up with sprint and this year CES....the other carriers got so many devices out and sprint had just the Shift....ok might be a good phone but come on....give me a brake...when others get dual cores....i am a little disappointed by Sprint...whats your view on it?

I have to agree. I would expect big things from CTIA this year.

This is exactly why I believe Sprint is in bed with Apple because Sprint had to make concessions to bring the iPhone to Sprint unlike Verizion and all their wonderful Androids. After all, Mr. Jobs never does what everyone expects, and everyone is expecting Verizion, so when it comes to Sprint, I won't be at all surprised.

Am I to understand that at this time there isn't any dual-core devices coming to Sprint?
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Come on sprint! I'd take a dual core over an iphone any day!!!

There has to be more, CES officially starts today. They couldnt have blown there wad already

well sprint is rumored to get the touch pro 7, a webos tablet and a new high end webos device by june. id say that's a decent lineup with the evo shift coming out this month as well.

Nate14 said:
Am I to understand that at this time there isn't any dual-core devices coming to Sprint?
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the evo shift is a 800mhz dual core phone. it's actually faster than the evo.

DaWeav said:
This is exactly why I believe Sprint is in bed with Apple because Sprint had to make concessions to bring the iPhone to Sprint unlike Verizion and all their wonderful Androids. After all, Mr. Jobs never does what everyone expects, and everyone is expecting Verizion, so when it comes to Sprint, I won't be at all surprised.
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im thinking sprint will get the iphone as well.

fixxxer2008 said:
the evo shift is a 800mhz dual core phone. it's actually faster than the evo.
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evo shift is not dual core period.

DaWeav said:
This is exactly why I believe Sprint is in bed with Apple because Sprint had to make concessions to bring the iPhone to Sprint unlike Verizion and all their wonderful Androids. After all, Mr. Jobs never does what everyone expects, and everyone is expecting Verizion, so when it comes to Sprint, I won't be at all surprised.
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fixxxer2008 said:
im thinking sprint will get the iphone as well.
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I am 100% confident that the iPhone is going to Verizon. Whether it is also going to Sprint, I doubt, due to Apple not being able to handle the increase in customers.

Sprint hasn't really had much at CES ever.. maybe 1 or 2 phone at best.. who care really..
I mean..most of the stuff shown is stuff i would never buy or use.. etc..
I am considering going with a cheap flip phone. just for calls and text.. and get a nice tablet. and a mifi from virgin mobile..lol ( 40 ) bucks for unlimited. hard to pass up..
I love my DINC.. and used to love my HERO.. but as i get older. Im getting cheap. and dont like to spend money,lol

riggsandroid said:
evo shift is not dual core period.
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Yeah I haven't seen anything about the Shift rocking a dual core.
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I don't think sprint is really interested in keeping the company afloat, it seems they are trying very hard to ignore the customer base until they all leave.
Sprint, listen up, if you make a phone like this I and thousands of other people will buy it: I have $600 waiting on a phone worth buying do it allfuckingready.
No Sense UI or any other none, totally bone stock Android build that is either rooted from factory or has a little hardware switch under the battery to enable it, drivers and software must be made public.
4" sunlight friendly screen, 960x640 or better, gorilla glass or better, high quality touch 10+ point.
Metallic or high quality plastic case, no rubbery ****, all surfaces flat, camera bezel(s), volume up/down & power button only and recessed or flush other "buttons" to be capacitive virtual buttons, mini usb3 port, head/microphone port no others, must be sweat/water resistant for us runner/cyclist/gym rats.
4g radio, cdma, multi(4+) signal 2.1+ BlueTooth, Digital FM tuner, Digital TV tuner, IR in/out (remote and lego mindstorm controller etc.), NFC, high quality GPS.
Gyroscope, mag, 3+axis sensor(nintendo Wii+ or better), light sensors front and back.
1ghz+ dual core processor, tegra2 or other arm9 soc able to pimp smack the **** out of the nexus s and G2, 1gb ram, 8gb internal memory, micro sdhc slot not under the damn battery.
Camera 8mp with 3/4x optical zoom with flash on back, 2mp no flash on front.
1750+ mah battery, or whatever it takes to get 6+ hr of HQ netflix/hulu/etc,
streaming over 4g with screen on max brightness and listening via bluetooth wireless headset, and 48hr "normal" use and 5 day+ standby with 4g, gps, bluetooth et al. on.

fixxxer2008 said:
the evo shift is a 800mhz dual core phone. it's actually faster than the evo.
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Definitely not dual core processor. I don't get where people keep getting that info. It's just a second generation snapdragon processor like the ones found in the G2 and Desire Z, underclocked to 800 mhz.
It's faster because it's second generation. The EVO 4g has the same processor as the Incredible which is one of the first gen snapdragons.
No dual core devices from HTC yet at CES. I'm sad. So far Motorola easily has the most interesting phone with its dual core processor getting 2616 on Quadrant, stock. And it's going to AT&T of all places.

Ah, so the Shift's processor is underclocked. Makes sense now. Was wondering why it was slower then the Evo's ha ha
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Nate14 said:
Ah, so the Shift's processor is underclocked. Makes sense now. Was wondering why it was slower then the Evo's ha ha
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Even though its speed is 'slower' it still is a faster processor than the Evo's at 200 less mhz, and has been proven to get higher benchmark tests.
Also, it's easier to overclock. The G2 is stable at 1900 mhz. Evo users can only go to 1200 if I'm correct?

Would the increased benchmarks have anything to do with a GPU? Some would take a seperate CPU and GPU and dual core, like the LG Optimus I think. Also it is depressing reading all the new phones coming out for every other carrier other than sprint, it makes me sad to see all the stories of dual cores with everyone else but we are left out.

db56319 said:
Would the increased benchmarks have anything to do with a GPU? Some would take a seperate CPU and GPU and dual core, like the LG Optimus I think. Also it is depressing reading all the new phones coming out for every other carrier other than sprint, it makes me sad to see all the stories of dual cores with everyone else but we are left out.
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i know right.....

db56319 said:
Would the increased benchmarks have anything to do with a GPU? Some would take a seperate CPU and GPU and dual core, like the LG Optimus I think. Also it is depressing reading all the new phones coming out for every other carrier other than sprint, it makes me sad to see all the stories of dual cores with everyone else but we are left out.
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So damn irritating that HTC doesn't have a dual core phone for Sprint. : - /

Saying goodbye

I realize this is not the best of places to post this, but the people who read this sub-forum regularly are the people it was meant for...
After a lot of thinking, I have returned my Atrix.
I know it is a powerful phone, but I'd rather have a slightly less powerful phone that I have complete control over, than have the most awesome god phone in the world that will only do 1/3 of what its actually capable of.
That said, I exchanged the Atrix for the HTC Insprie 4G. I know its just a Desire HD that has 750MB of ram and a single core CPU (overclockable to 1.7Ghz) but there is something that feels comforting to have a HTC device back.
What can I say? I like to be able to make Nandroid backups, I like to be able to run the latest version of Android, I like to be able to tether without tricks and apps, I like the freedom.
Maybe one day if the Atrix gets fully unlocked, I'll be back, but I'm afraid that with all the other dual core phones that are on the horizon (Samsung Galaxy SII, for example) the Atrix may get left in the dust.
Good Luck Guys,
Mb

I did the opposite switched out the Inspire 4g for an Atrix, the Inspire 4g battery was simply awful putting a 1230mah battery in it was what killed it for me

mburris said:
I realize this is not the best of places to post this, but the people who read this sub-forum regularly are the people it was meant for...
After a lot of thinking, I have returned my Atrix.
I know it is a powerful phone, but I'd rather have a slightly less powerful phone that I have complete control over, than have the most awesome god phone in the world that will only do 1/3 of what its actually capable of.
That said, I exchanged the Atrix for the HTC Insprie 4G. I know its just a Desire HD that has 750MB of ram and a single core CPU (overclockable to 1.7Ghz) but there is something that feels comforting to have a HTC device back.
What can I say? I like to be able to make Nandroid backups, I like to be able to run the latest version of Android, I like to be able to tether without tricks and apps, I like the freedom.
Maybe one day if the Atrix gets fully unlocked, I'll be back, but I'm afraid that with all the other dual core phones that are on the horizon (Samsung Galaxy SII, for example) the Atrix may get left in the dust.
Good Luck Guys,
Mb
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I am on the verge of doing the same, OP.
But this should probably go into the general section, not be in the dev section.

Good luck man! I really don't understand most of your reasons tho...The battery on the Atrix is better, the dual core CPU at stock clocks still beat the best OCed Inspire, Atrix has more ram, storage, you really don't need to make a nandrioid backup if your not swapping roms/kernels just use TBU for apps. The only valid reason I see is it can run CM7, which I understand. Other than that I think everything is better about the Atrix. But that's just my .02 bro I hope you enjoy it.

mburris said:
I realize this is not the best of places to post this, but the people who read this sub-forum regularly are the people it was meant for...
After a lot of thinking, I have returned my Atrix.
I know it is a powerful phone, but I'd rather have a slightly less powerful phone that I have complete control over, than have the most awesome god phone in the world that will only do 1/3 of what its actually capable of.
That said, I exchanged the Atrix for the HTC Insprie 4G. I know its just a Desire HD that has 750MB of ram and a single core CPU (overclockable to 1.7Ghz) but there is something that feels comforting to have a HTC device back.
What can I say? I like to be able to make Nandroid backups, I like to be able to run the latest version of Android, I like to be able to tether without tricks and apps, I like the freedom.
Maybe one day if the Atrix gets fully unlocked, I'll be back, but I'm afraid that with all the other dual core phones that are on the horizon (Samsung Galaxy SII, for example) the Atrix may get left in the dust.
Good Luck Guys,
Mb
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Sorry to see you go. I don't think it's an unreasonable decision. I for one will stick it out on the Atrix.
We will all have new phones next year anyway no?
-James

Clienterror said:
Good luck man! I really don't understand most of your reasons tho...The battery on the Atrix is better, the dual core CPU at stock clocks still beat the best OCed Inspire, Atrix has more ram, storage, you really don't need to make a nandrioid backup if your not swapping roms/kernels just use TBU for apps. The only valid reason I see is it can run CM7, which I understand. Other than that I think everything is better about the Atrix. But that's just my .02 bro I hope you enjoy it.
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I am right behind the OP but I will just use my iphone until something better comes along. Thought about getting the Inspire4g but I feel like It doesnt make sense with the introduction of dual core processors this year. There are more valid reasons than just CM7 to move to an open HTC device. A open (up to date) HTC device beats a locked down Moto device anyday! Its hard to argue that if you tried. If you bought the Atrix for it specs then you have what you want, but if you bought the Atrix for customization then I agree with the OP. Youre only getting 1/3 of the capabilities.

Clienterror said:
Good luck man! I really don't understand most of your reasons tho...The battery on the Atrix is better, the dual core CPU at stock clocks still beat the best OCed Inspire, Atrix has more ram, storage, you really don't need to make a nandrioid backup if your not swapping roms/kernels just use TBU for apps. The only valid reason I see is it can run CM7, which I understand. Other than that I think everything is better about the Atrix. But that's just my .02 bro I hope you enjoy it.
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wrong i can beat any atrix cpu\gpu benchmark with oc inspire.
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shep211 said:
wrong i can beat any atrix cpu\gpu benchmark with oc inspire.
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Enjoy your battery life. Or do you only over clock when you feel you need to taunt an Atrix user?

shep211 said:
wrong i can beat any atrix cpu\gpu benchmark with oc inspire.
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can you play samurai 2 vengeance ??

jmacdonald801 said:
Enjoy your battery life. Or do you only over clock when you feel you need to taunt an Atrix user?
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My battery has been fine. I listen to 3-4 hrs of music and use the phone for browsing internet and txting. I can go all day with no issues. This is at 1.8 ghz with ondemand scaling. I set setcpu to use 300 mhz to 700 mhz when the screen is off. We have a few artix's at work and some users are having battery issues and cant get through the day without charging. I didn't have any issues with my battery when I had my atrix.

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can you play samurai 2 vengeance ??
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The inspire has better gpu scores then the atrix and can register more then two touch inputs where the atrix only registers two. I see no reason why it cant. It is not built just for the tegra 2. Its just being released first on tegra zone.

Moved to general as not android development

They are both great phones and I have both, however some of my associates in my area, Dallas, that have used a great variety of non ATT sold phones, have decided to sell/trade their Atrix and get a inspire instead. I have made a decent amount money during straight trades for people who want to trade their atrix for an inspire, and then reselling the atrix on ebay. If I was one of those people that bought the Atrix through contract and wanted to switch, I would sell it on craigslist or ebay and buy an Inspire. You still should have a little $ left over. But I believe the Atrix is a better long term phone because of its specs

shep211 said:
My battery has been fine. I listen to 3-4 hrs of music and use the phone for browsing internet and txting. I can go all day with no issues. This is at 1.8 ghz with ondemand scaling. I set setcpu to use 300 mhz to 700 mhz when the screen is off. We have a few artix's at work and some users are having battery issues and cant get through the day without charging. I didn't have any issues with my battery when I had my atrix.
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I assume you have the better modem installed? What are your upload speeds (and download) like?
-James

i agree with OP. i was excited to head back home to my n1.
att emailed me a survey/questionnaire about why i returned the device... and they had selections for me to choose which seemed suspiciously in line with why i actually returned it. i fear for att/moto that they know they dropped the ball on a few aspects of the atrix and anticipated returns based on those inadequacies.
im not a troll.

I left Atrix in the second day. Atrix is just not my style.
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shep211 said:
wrong i can beat any atrix cpu\gpu benchmark with oc inspire.
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That is because your benchmark tools do not support the dual core yet. The Atrix has SMP enable by the kernel so it is a matter of getting applications that can support it. Atrix is doing 35-38 on linpack with a single core support, can you imagine what is going to do with dual core and then with overclocked.

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That is because your benchmark tools do not support the dual core yet. The Atrix has SMP enable by the kernel so it is a matter of getting applications that can support it. Atrix is doing 35-38 on linpack with a single core support, can you imagine what is going to do with dual core and then with overclocked.
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Ok. You can just imagine in the following months. Be real.
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lpsi2000 said:
That is because your benchmark tools do not support the dual core yet. The Atrix has SMP enable by the kernel so it is a matter of getting applications that can support it. Atrix is doing 35-38 on linpack with a single core support, can you imagine what is going to do with dual core and then with overclocked.
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Ever the optimist there lpsi

nexusonemeover said:
i agree with OP. i was excited to head back home to my n1.
att emailed me a survey/questionnaire about why i returned the device... and they had selections for me to choose which seemed suspiciously in line with why i actually returned it. i fear for att/moto that they know they dropped the ball on a few aspects of the atrix and anticipated returns based on those inadequacies.
im not a troll.
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What were the selections they listed?

Anyone jumping to galaxy SII?

I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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musclehead84 said:
I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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I definitely want it but by the time my 2 year renewal is up I will probably be getting the Galaxy 3D

Yep I only have 7 years under my belt, because of that I have no clue what will be next.....next is sept 2012 lol.... it wont be an sgs2 unless I really have to have it and can shell out the extra 75 bucks in nov. I know for sure I made a good choice tho, my epic will still stand tall for another 12+ months, I'm enjoying the ride anyhow.
Side note, I'm not so sure the mali400 gpu that's in the sgs2 is anything great, unless its only running one gpu core at the moment, which means samsung will have to update it later....cough never. I want a phone with a powerful gpu and am hoping for sgx-543 or better.

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I definitely want it but by the time my 2 year renewal is up I will probably be getting the Galaxy 3D
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May have to let my 2-y-o use my phone like a hockey puck again :-D
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Won't be easy. I've really fallen in love with the game gripper on my epic. I use the keyboard to type every single text message. I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
The Galaxy S2 looks freakin amazing. I love it. I want it. I Just want it... with a keyboard

hydralisk said:
Won't be easy. I've really fallen in love with the game gripper on my epic. I use the keyboard to type every single text message. I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
The Galaxy S2 looks freakin amazing. I love it. I want it. I Just want it... with a keyboard
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musclehead84 said:
I was reading on another forum the other day and they were saying that the galaxy SII is coming to all carriers around June or so. If it comes to Sprint I'm definitely getting. The phone will blow any other phone away. Anyone else want this phone?
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For me it depends if we get the sexy thin version I keep seeing or a softer cartoonish body like the Epic. I don't want a hard keyboard or the thicker shell that comes with it. I want a gorgeous phone next time. The Epic is already plenty functional so only sexy AND functional will ever get me to upgrade.

..But I'll still have a year in my contract by the time it comes out
Wait..Does this thing have a Tegra 2?

hydralisk said:
I really hate on-screen keyboards. Even swype. Swype has actually gotten much worse over time...
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Clearing data helps swype not suck so much. Its too bad the custom dictionary entries just end up making swype mess up every other word
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SpicyBurrito said:
..But I'll still have a year in my contract by the time it comes out
Wait..Does this thing have a Tegra 2?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-official-tegra-2-4-3-inch-super-amoled-plu/
Update: We were originally told that the Galaxy S II would be using an NVIDIA Tegra 2 SOC, but have been informed that was incorrect -- the phone will indeed have a dual-core 1GHz Samsung chip, and quite possibly the Exynos. There's also 1GB of RAM.
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No; there was an error in reporting when the specs were first put out, it seems.

No, I'm waiting for galaxySIII.
Quad core
4 Gb ram
2600p camera
Android 4.0
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dchawk81 said:
For me it depends if we get the sexy thin version I keep seeing or a softer cartoonish body like the Epic. I don't want a hard keyboard or the thicker shell that comes with it. I want a gorgeous phone next time. The Epic is already plenty functional so only sexy AND functional will ever get me to upgrade.
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I totally agree. Samsung would have hit a homerun with the Epic had they given it some harder corners and a little more heft but if the GSII comes in some professional packaging I may seriously consider it.

The dual core processor isn't going to make it that much speedier. Sure it will let you listen to music, browse the web, and play games at the same time. But actual game performance won't be that much improved. Just as it was with PCs and multiple cores.

Not Getting the GS2 AT ALL!!
im Getting the Evo 3D
why you ask? Looks like neither will have keyboards and the Evo gets all the Dev love.
Plus 1.2 Dual core ... i don't need more than that these processors are sooo overclockable its crazy...
Also i think alot of people will never buy Samsung again so its Dev community will even be smaller....

My current Hummingbird is handling everything fine. I'd just like a more attractive form and a larger screen. I'm a fan of face tablet phones I think 4.3" is the sweet spot.

LunaticWolf said:
The dual core processor isn't going to make it that much speedier. Sure it will let you listen to music, browse the web, and play games at the same time. But actual game performance won't be that much improved. Just as it was with PCs and multiple cores.
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My laptop blows away my desktop. Both are 2.16ghz clocks. The laptop is dual core. The desktop is single core.

I hope Sprint changes the looks of it if they get it, I dont like the way it looks.

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My laptop blows away my desktop. Both are 2.16ghz clocks. The laptop is dual core. The desktop is single core.
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Name the era. Of course a 2010 2.1ghz is going to blow away a 2006 2.1ghz. The refinement isn't the cores, but how much the processor can do with a single clock.
2006 dual cores were no faster than 2006 single cores, except for multi-tasking.
Just as quad cores in 2009-2010 had little benefit over their dual core counterparts, unless you are doing video encoding or 3d rendering via blender or maya.

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Name the era. Of course a 2010 2.1ghz is going to blow away a 2006 2.1ghz. The refinement isn't the cores, but how much the processor can do with a single clock.
2006 dual cores were no faster than 2006 single cores, except for multi-tasking.
Just as quad cores in 2009-2010 had little benefit over their dual core counterparts, unless you are doing video encoding or rendering.
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you'll barely notice the speed difference in the Evo3d or The GS2 compared to the Epic right now... but it will make a HUGE difference overall like the battery life and other thingys

Here's a preview of the international version of the Galaxy S II. The 8 megapixel camera is the best they have ever seen and can record 1080p video with full 30 fps! I hope for the Sprint version they leave out the keyboard and put in an even bigger battery (already a solid 1650mah). I'll take this over the HTC Evo 3d. 3d is such a silly gimmick.

Message to all you ship jumpers[Advice]

Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet

maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........

movieaddict said:
maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........
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I use to think like that until i looked at the specs its not worth upgrade the only dual core phone i would say get is Nexus if exynos rumors are true an the support will be excellent as always with NXS phones Snapdragons suck that is why i stay away from Htc

with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer

If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)

movieaddict said:
with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer
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But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing

Jasonhunterx said:
Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet
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Hercules:
1. Has a Super AMOLED+ Display, which is superior to the 1st gen SAMOLED displays (No Pen-Tile, Bettery Battery Life, etc.)
2. Dual Core Processor which can save power, and generally offers better performance - just one of it's cores is faster than ours and even back when teh Vibrant/G2 was released the Scorpion CPU was faster than the Hummingbird. The Hummingbird just had a much better GPU integrated into it.
3. HSPA+ radio
4. Double the RAM of the Vibrant, which is actually more than double when you factor in the RAM dedicated to the GPU. So more like ~110% More System/App-accessible RAM (since the GPU RAM dedicated didn't change AFAICT).
5. 10% bigger battery
6. Better Camera/Camcorder, with LED Flash
7. 2 MegaPixel Front-Facing Camera
8. Wi-Fi Direct, USB On the Go (Not Sure if in US Variants)
9. Actually a factorable level of support from the carriers and OEMs at least for another year+, especially those who stick very close to the international specs (Hercules dubious here)
It's not just about the CPU. That's actually not the first thing to bottleneck in these phones, unless you're doing something specifically to tax it heavily. GPU, RAM, and I/O for example will all bottleneck before the CPU in real-world use.
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Jasonhunterx said:
But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing
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Even when Quad Core phones come out, there will be a better one 4 months later. It's the nature of the beast.
And people said the same about Dual Core processors. They'll say the same thing about 20 core processors in 5 years or whatever time it takes for them to come out, as well...

has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.

N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.

Most of improvements are minor the only thing that would make me wanna switch is the ram an flash an maybe gps only two things that make me mad about phone but i wouldnt say its stupid to upgrade but not best choice an i used sensation which i think is same cpu as herc an it was a little slow i know it has sense which is ram hog but it had 300+
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jamesd86 said:
N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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xriderx66 said:
has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.
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But cpu has been used in other phones an all tech has flaws
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rakeshchn said:
If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the epic touch (nor the SGS2's) battery will fit in the vibrant (battery is to big).

Jasonhunterx said:
That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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Obviously it wasn't needed as much as you need to learn grammar.

Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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jamesd86 said:
N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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Because your a grammar nazi, correct?
Dude GTFO.
Just because he forgot a few , . ' 's doesn't mean he has bad grammar at all.
I've seen people who can't spell things like TABLE, and their well above their age to be able to spell TABLE.

quest4fire said:
Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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More like 3 lol but i mean like people upgrade for minor things i like innovation

I've skipped the dual core laptops, now I have quad core...so I'll probably do the same with my phone, unless it got bricked before that... and I still love it.
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