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[Q] should i keep my nexus one or buy a G2??

I have been using my nexus one since 8 months....n i literally love this fon....now my friend bought a g2 and m kinda impressed by it....so i need the advice of u guys here....would it b a better upgrade
???? And will it have same development as the nexus one???
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wait for nexus s/2 and 2.3 to come out before buying a new phone.

Only you can tell if it's a worthy upgrade. Do you need the keyboard?
Same development support? don't think so...

Mokurex said:
Only you can tell if it's a worthy upgrade. Do you need the keyboard?
Same development support? don't think so...
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i think you are wrong... i have seen a big decline in ROMs for the Nexus... even eViL kinda forgot us and updates his ROMs every once in a while and now he is actively working on Tmo 4G ROM ported to the G2... i am startling to slowly lose faith in my Nexus...

me to...
I'm really debating it also, after watching videos of the 800mhz 2nd generation Snapdragon out-preform the Nexus One, it makes it really tempting. As far as development goes I saw 'Evil' already has some ROMS, he has ported the MyTouch4G and Desire Z ROMS. One improvement I think was forgotten was a brighter screen it appears to the same OLED screen. The keyboard and optical trackpad are a nice improvement also, messing with the optical trackpad makes me hate my trackball

death_shadow said:
I'm really debating it also, after watching videos of the 800mhz 2nd generation Snapdragon out-preform the Nexus One, it makes it really tempting. As far as development goes I saw 'Evil' already has some ROMS, he has ported the MyTouch4G and Desire Z ROMS. One improvement I think was forgotten was a brighter screen it appears to the same OLED screen. The keyboard and optical trackpad are a nice improvement also, messing with the optical trackpad makes me hate my trackball
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yea, and i even asked eViL on twitter and here in the forums if he forgot us and he just ignored my question and never answered it...

Wait for the Nexus S by Samsung.

zainqaiser said:
I have been using my nexus one since 8 months....n i literally love this fon....now my friend bought a g2 and m kinda impressed by it....so i need the advice of u guys here....would it b a better upgrade
???? And will it have same development as the nexus one???
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You had the phone for a short amount if time. If you really want to upgrade, the G2 is the way to go. The Mytouch 4G in any other color but white is good as well, but if you want the same experience, go for the G2. The "Nexus 2" looks extremely plastic and it basically is a vibrant.
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I just jumped on the G2 band wagon...
Better processor & qwerty keyboard!
Dont get me wrong I loved me Nexus One but missed the qwerty keyboard from my old G1. Also it usually doesn't take long for new ROMs to be ported accross to other devices.

how come it's a better cpu? it's not even 1ghz and gingerbread needs atleast 1 ghz cpu.

korhanes said:
how come it's a better cpu? it's not even 1ghz and gingerbread needs atleast 1 ghz cpu.
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its a newer 800 mhz cpu (capable of 1.4 ghz stable). Much like the Intel Atom processors of today are 1. something Ghz, but they run faster than many 2ghz chips from 2001. Hz is just a clock speed, if the chip can do more in less time, you don't need as high of a clock speed.
If a man had 1 arm and could lift 300 lbs with it, thats pretty strong, but If i could lift 200 lbs in each of my 2 arms, i'm lifting 400 lbs in the same time. Make sense?
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Last i saw the Gingerbread requirements were never official, and listed on a russian site and then picked up by rumor sites. The G2 is more than capable of running it. And those sites all claimed gingerbread was 3.0, which we know is not true. it is 2.3.

If you are on tzones or the $10 web2go plan then the G2 is not worth the data price hike. $10 web2go is the single best feature on the N1. The savings alone can get me a free phone every 2 years.

crater said:
its a newer 800 mhz cpu (capable of 1.4 ghz stable). Much like the Intel Atom processors of today are 1. something Ghz, but they run faster than many 2ghz chips from 2001. Hz is just a clock speed, if the chip can do more in less time, you don't need as high of a clock speed.
If a man had 1 arm and could lift 300 lbs with it, thats pretty strong, but If i could lift 200 lbs in each of my 2 arms, i'm lifting 400 lbs in the same time. Make sense?
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Good explanation, its like the old Celeron and Pentuim processors. A Celeron with a higher clock speed doesn't mean its better than a Pentium. It comes done to the architecture of chip.
Thus meaning the Qualcomm Snapdragon isant as good as their new Scropion chip.

Thnx guys for all ur replies.....so after reading all the advices.....m gonna wait more to decide.....the thing i want is development....i know nexus s will get the more of it....but between mytouch 4g and g2 which is better....i just love my nexus one and even have my name on its back... but i have this problem of getting new phones ....if i had enuf money i wud keep my nexus n buy one more phone........

Disclaimer: It's Friday, I had a few beers... if this was already said, I apologize. I didn't read the thread first.
Reason to wait:
If you use a belt holster, if you're neurotic, if you're a perfectionist, if you ride a bike and attach your phone to a messenger bag strap with something like the Body Glove case, if you use your phone in your bed before you go to sleep... wait. The Z-Hinge design kind of sucks. It's nice that it flips open so easily, but it doesn't say open or shut. I had one for a week and I returned it. Before I gave up on the G2, the T-Mobile employee let me see three brand new devices (I felt really guilty about it). It's a known issue with T-Mobile (I called and asked) but it's not technically a defect according to HTC. Either way, it's annoying. Otherwise, the phone rules. Really, it's great. It's fast, it looks good, the optical trackpad is awesome, it runs vanilla Android... but that damn Z-Hinge ruins it.
But if you were the type of kid to not constantly F with your loose tooth until it fell out, then the G2 will be fine for you.

shiznt said:
Good explanation, its like the old Celeron and Pentuim processors. A Celeron with a higher clock speed doesn't mean its better than a Pentium. It comes done to the architecture of chip.
Thus meaning the Qualcomm Snapdragon isant as good as their new Scropion chip.
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People obviously don't read specs into their depth.
Scorpion is the CPU.
Snapdragon is a chip, that includes Scorpion CPU.
The CPU of Nexus and G2 are EXACTLY the same. Which effectively means that CPU-power-wise-only, G2 is slower. Not that it matters much.

Jack_R1 said:
People obviously don't read specs into their depth.
Scorpion is the CPU.
Snapdragon is a chip, that includes Scorpion CPU.
The CPU of Nexus and G2 are EXACTLY the same. Which effectively means that CPU-power-wise-only, G2 is slower. Not that it matters much.
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I thought that it was a newer(45nm) cpu too... I guess they only pimped out the gpu.
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ChongoDroid said:
I thought that it was a newer(45nm) cpu too... I guess they only pimped out the gpu.
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Not only GPU. There are some architectural changes, I posted about it some time ago (LPDDR2 support, for example). Overall, it's a more balanced, refined chip. But sometimes when I see sheer power comparisons between those CPUs, with all the "new generation" and other irrelevant analogies, I can't stop myself from setting things straight. Comparing sheer power, 7x30 loses, unless it's running the same frequency as 8x50.

smachine said:
If you are on tzones or the $10 web2go plan then the G2 is not worth the data price hike. $10 web2go is the single best feature on the N1. The savings alone can get me a free phone every 2 years.
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If you like that...you would love the 5.99 tzones plan.

mprziv said:
If you like that...you would love the 5.99 tzones plan.
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Yea I would. Too bad Im a new customer and dont retentions wouldnt give me any of those. Today seems to be the final day of the unlimited web2go plans, starting tomorrow new customers will only get to pick between 200mb for $10 or $30 for unlimited.

Returning inspire getting atrix

I decided after playing around with the inspire that I'm gonna return it on Tuesday and move up to the atrix. Anyone else doing this? Root has been obtained for inspire but its pretty complicated for a noob like me.
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Same here. I really liked the Inspire, think I'll like the Atrix more.

I'm also exchanging my Inspire for the Atrix. While I love the screen, I found the phone itself to be too large for my tastes.

It's likely that root on the Atrix, if it is achieved, will be far more difficult than the Inspire. The Inspire is just an AT&T version of the Desire HD which has been available for some time and is well understood. Being a "newb" and not understanding how to use a phone or do certain things is not a good reason to return one for another phone that will be as or even more complicated...

I already returned my inspire. I liked it but the battery issue was a deal breaker for me. I want a phone that at least will give me 8 hours of battery time, the inspire died in my pocket before lunch one day.

Same here. The battery issue and slow CPU.
The atrix is way better than inspire.

hagalah said:
Same here. The battery issue and slow CPU.
The atrix is way better than inspire.
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I am all in for the Atrix, but you would be hard pressed to find a phone other then the Atrix, right now that keeps up with the Inspire's CPU scores.. Not Dual-Core, but not slow.

Lol I know being a noob isn't a good reason. Yeah battery does suck though, sound sucks, led notification works half the time, and I'm getting some crappy yellowish tints on a lot of my pictures. In willing to take a $35 hit on restocking fee, plus extra $100 that atrix cost for the extra processor, ffc, and hdmi out.
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Crennie said:
I am all in for the Atrix, but you would be hard pressed to find a phone other then the Atrix, right now that keeps up with the Inspire's CPU scores.. Not Dual-Core, but not slow.
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For quadrant I was getting 1700, for smart bench....can't remember scores but it was low...I remember seeing atrix pulling 2800 quadrant in a video from ces. 1100 difference is huge, my aria running cm 6.1.1 oc'd to 825 got 1102
Edit: ran smartbench because I was curious..got 861 productivity, 1273 games index...yeah reallllly low scores...I think quadrant favors snapdragon
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I bought my inspire for $99 4 days ago and ordered the atrix on the same account same number for $199.00 I will hold on to both and see which one is better. Right now the inspire is flawless and the atrix will have to do something really special to win this fight.

falconeight said:
I bought my inspire for $99 4 days ago and ordered the atrix on the same account same number for $199.00 I will hold on to both and see which one is better. Right now the inspire is flawless and the atrix will have to do something really special to win this fight.
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Yeah..bought mine without contract..do can't afford to keep both lol
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falconeight said:
I bought my inspire for $99 4 days ago and ordered the atrix on the same account same number for $199.00 I will hold on to both and see which one is better. Right now the inspire is flawless and the atrix will have to do something really special to win this fight.
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How did you do that using the same line?? If it works i would definitely do the same!!

I am just wondering. Does a Dual core phone with 1GB RAM (not sure how much is usable) make so much difference in usage as compared to Inspire with 768MB RAM and 1 Ghz processor?
It's not like we have to use processor intensive apps like "matlab" or something

hagalah said:
Same here. The battery issue and slow CPU.
The atrix is way better than inspire.
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I am getting atrix as well and I am on inspire right now. yes it is a slower cpu then the one in atrix, but does it feel slow? inspire feels like the fastest android phone I have ever used up to this point. I really dont think it is atrix will feel any faster just because it has faster hardware. May be it will handle things better in the future. For now it has been great.

Inspire's already old tech. Good choice on returning it.

You got to admit... The inspire is built well. Man, that thing is a nice slab of metal! I would say it's the best built phone I've ever used. I too will be returning for the atrix (shipped tomorrow to my local at&t store) just for the battery life alone as the inspire's battery is real bad... My concern is the built QLT of the atrix. All cheap feeling plastic? Weird, as MOTO usually makes a solid feeling device... hmmm

I got the Inspire last week. Best thing about Inspire is Sense IMHO. It has the best email, phone and calendar software of any devce I know. BUT I think the camera, screen, battery and sound are all inferior (I also have a CaPTIVATE that has a perfect custom ROM so everything works). I will also give the Atrix a go and then decide which to keep.

falconeight said:
I will hold on to both and see which one is better. Right now the inspire is flawless and the atrix will have to do something really special to win this fight.
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Ditto........

metaldood said:
I am just wondering. Does a Dual core phone with 1GB RAM (not sure how much is usable) make so much difference in usage as compared to Inspire with 768MB RAM and 1 Ghz processor?
It's not like we have to use processor intensive apps like "matlab" or something
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Well... yes, depending on what you're doing. The dual core processor os going to let you do things faster, and help keep the phone from slowing down when running cpu intensive apps like games and sstuff.
The ram will help keep thongs open; with 512 I.can have a browser and maybe aan app pr two, but open a game then switch to the browser, and the game resets because android tries to run it all in the background.
More RAM will allow more things to stay open in memory along with allowing a smoother overall experience.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon

do you have to pay in order to return the phone? and/or is there a fee to exchanging it to an atrix?

Atrix VS Galaxy S 2

Hi there guys/girls,
I have a Moto Atrix and have been offered a Samsung Galaxy S II as a straight swap.
Can anyone advise me on whether this is a good deal?
I love the Atrix battery life but don't like the locked bootloader which means no dev support.
Any advice is appreciated.
Ron

Yes it is a fios deal, and of you dont want give me that deal
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ronak47 said:
Hi there guys/girls,
I have a Moto Atrix and have been offered a Samsung Galaxy S II as a straight swap.
Can anyone advise me on whether this is a good deal?
I love the Atrix battery life but don't like the locked bootloader which means no dev support.
Any advice is appreciated.
Ron
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Look for prices on eBay. Its a great deal... go ahead and do it. If you don't like your sgs2 then give it to me. I'll give you my atrix plus shipping expenses lol.
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I'd go for it in a heartbeat.

Everyone seems to think it's a better phone....
Do you guys not think it's too big? What about the battery life? Also is the screen honestly better ( when I say better I mean is it sharper and clearer ) ?

Batery is better, screen to, less. Resolution, 1080 recording and play, and of you sell it you can buy 2 atrix
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EclipseX said:
Batery is better, screen to, less. Resolution, 1080 recording and play, and of you sell it you can buy 2 atrix
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Battery is far from better, this guy is on crack.
1650 mah on GS2 to 1930 mah on atrix.
I like the higher resolution screen on the atrix. The atrix also has 1080p play, not recording yet(unless you want to mod).
The atrix is only on 2.2.2 right now, but we'll be receiving a 2.3.3 update in the next month or two. (Correction 2.3.4)
I couldn't be more happy with my atrix, I like the fact that I can do whatever I want for the entire day and never run out of battery. I also like the fact that the resolution of the phone is so high (960x580 or something like that?). I couldn't stand looking at pixels all day with a 800x480 screen.
The simple fact that I know I can watch videos and play games on my phone for the entire day without worrying about the battery is reason enough for me to keep it. Also the fact that we're getting the 2.3.4 update soon is good enough for me to not jump ship.
Both phones are great but the battery life the atrix offers, the resolution of the screen, and the tegra2 processor are all keepers for me.
Enjoy your phone! Either choice is good.

Thanks for the reply Magnetox...
I was hoping for a response along those lines, I myself was very hesitant to do the swap as I genuinely like the Atrix and have had many android phones to know and appreciate how good the battery is on the Atrix.
The reason I made the post was because alot of people told me to do the swap but deep down I was very hesitant as having had the nexus s and galaxy s I know about the battery life, as far as the Super Amoled display is concerned I think it's the biggest over hyped screen in the world.... Yes the blacks are great but the other colours are so far from natural it makes everything look cartoony.
Once again big thanks to Magnetox.... I think I'll stick with the Atrix and wait for 2.3.4 as for everyone recommending the SGS2 I'll let you be the sheep that follow and make a big mistake.

Is something wrong with his Galaxy S II? I don't see why he would want to do this swap.
The Atrix is good, but the S II is perhaps the best phone on the market.

No it's brand new in the box.
But he likes the docks and webtop that the Atrix has.
What makes the SGS2 the best phone on the market?

Here is a pretty good break down between the 2:
http://www.inspiredgeek.com/2011/03...shootout-for-the-ultimate-android-smartphone/
Also, no info. on when the new Google Nexus 4G will be released, but it's specs look really bad ass! If it goes to AT&T, I may consider jumping ship and get it... probably won't be out for some time though.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/15/exclusive-google-nexus-4g-detailed-720p-display-4g-lte-android-4-0/
drool... ice cream sandwhich...aaaahhhhhhh

Oh I forgot to mention the speaker on the Atrix is also frickin awesome!

ronak47 said:
No it's brand new in the box.
But he likes the docks and webtop that the Atrix has.
What makes the SGS2 the best phone on the market?
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The Super AMOLED Plus display is the best with amazing colors.
The dual core Exynos processor is extremely fast- there's no lag at all. Touchwiz is ok, the main thing is it doesnt cause the phone to lag.
It has Gingbread.
It is unlocked.

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Oh I forgot to mention the speaker on the Atrix is also frickin awesome!
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send him my way. I'll give him an unlocked Atrix + Lapdock for that SGS2.
I pay the shipping for both of us.

Meets34 said:
The Super AMOLED Plus display is the best with amazing colors.
The dual core Exynos processor is extremely fast- there's no lag at all. Touchwiz is ok, the main thing is it doesnt cause the phone to lag.
It has Gingbread.
It is unlocked.
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This is not an over-exaggeration. The vibrancy of the colors on the display is amazing. I have a Captivate and will probably get an Atrix in the next two weeks (I just upgraded 11 days ago), but I know I will miss the hell out of this screen. The minute AT&T's GSII is released, the Atrix will most likely be sold.

There are 22 pages of replies here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1047861
Please, look in there. I'm sure you'll find your answers.

As much as I love my Atrix, I'd say swap right away!
Isn't the SGS2 about $700 USD?
If so, then sell the SGS2 for a profit and get a new Atrix once more and save some money in the process.

ronak47 said:
Thanks for the reply Magnetox...
I was hoping for a response along those lines, I myself was very hesitant to do the swap as I genuinely like the Atrix and have had many android phones to know and appreciate how good the battery is on the Atrix.
The reason I made the post was because alot of people told me to do the swap but deep down I was very hesitant as having had the nexus s and galaxy s I know about the battery life, as far as the Super Amoled display is concerned I think it's the biggest over hyped screen in the world.... Yes the blacks are great but the other colours are so far from natural it makes everything look cartoony.
Once again big thanks to Magnetox.... I think I'll stick with the Atrix and wait for 2.3.4 as for everyone recommending the SGS2 I'll let you be the sheep that follow and make a big mistake.
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Glad to help out.
Both are great phones, I just prefer the atrix.
Higher res + better battery + tegra 2 games = better phone
(at least in my opinion)
Cheers! You'll enjoy either of them.
EDIT: Once the bootloader gets unlocked by motorola (they said they would), or once it gets cracked or bypassed, this phone will be even better than it is now! It is much more futureproof IMO than the GS2

Atrix Specs: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-ATRIX-4G_id4982
SGS2 Specs: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II_id5106
People who say the SGS2 has horrible battery life are wrong.
SGS2 Vs Optimus 2X (Tegra 2 with same resolution as SGS2) benchmarks:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...s---guess-who-scored-3732-on-Quadrant_id18505
SGS2 wins Quadrant, smartbench 2011, nenamark1.
They tie on the browser mark, each winning 1 of the 2 runs.
SGS2 full review: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-Review_id2728
Atrix full review: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Review_id2665
Again, the battery life is virtually identical. The atrix has a bigger default battery, but the SGS2 is more efficient. SGS2 clocks down to 200mhz when turned off whereas the Atrix only clocks down to 400mhz in my experience.
Gingerbread has no dual-core enhancements, so the Atrix will only see a small bump in benchmark scores from updating, but nothing to bring it over the SGS2.

edgeicator said:
Atrix Specs: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-ATRIX-4G_id4982
SGS2 Specs: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II_id5106
People who say the SGS2 has horrible battery life are wrong.
SGS2 Vs Optimus 2X (Tegra 2 with same resolution as SGS2) benchmarks:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...s---guess-who-scored-3732-on-Quadrant_id18505
SGS2 wins Quadrant, smartbench 2011, nenamark1.
They tie on the browser mark, each winning 1 of the 2 runs.
SGS2 full review: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-Review_id2728
Atrix full review: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-ATRIX-4G-Review_id2665
Again, the battery life is virtually identical. The atrix has a bigger default battery, but the SGS2 is more efficient. SGS2 clocks down to 200mhz when turned off whereas the Atrix only clocks down to 400mhz in my experience.
Gingerbread has no dual-core enhancements, so the Atrix will only see a small bump in benchmark scores from updating, but nothing to bring it over the SGS2.
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Doesnt the optimus 2x only have 512 mb of ram? And isn't it running froyo 2.2? Not a fair comparison.
Gingerbread may not have dual core enhancements... but it most definitely makes the phone faster. Updated drivers, new kernels, improved efficiency.
Benchmarks have been done on the gingerbread atrix and it showed around 10-20% improvement in FPS. Im assuming there's not so much motoblur to slow it down.
The drivers are obviously much more optimized for the atrix in gingerbread. Here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhdEeu3WUXA
51 FPS on nenamark. Stock clock. Currently the atrix does 43 fps. Correct me if I'm wrong but thats 20% increase in FPS. That means this phone is going to be flaming fast in gingerbread once the bugs are worked out.
Also, the battery life IS NOT IDENTICAL.
The atrix clocks down to 216 mhz. Stop spreading false information. The atrix has better battery life. Period.
The fact that the SGS2 only has 4 gpu cores, and the atrix has 8, is a huge difference.
Once overclocking kernels are available the atrix can stably sit at 1.2 ghz IM SURE, and it has the battery life to do so. And it will have 8 cores @ that 1.2 ghz.
The atrix is more futureproof IMO.
That's why I'm sticking with it.

Message to all you ship jumpers[Advice]

Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet

maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........

movieaddict said:
maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........
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I use to think like that until i looked at the specs its not worth upgrade the only dual core phone i would say get is Nexus if exynos rumors are true an the support will be excellent as always with NXS phones Snapdragons suck that is why i stay away from Htc

with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer

If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)

movieaddict said:
with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer
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But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing

Jasonhunterx said:
Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet
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Hercules:
1. Has a Super AMOLED+ Display, which is superior to the 1st gen SAMOLED displays (No Pen-Tile, Bettery Battery Life, etc.)
2. Dual Core Processor which can save power, and generally offers better performance - just one of it's cores is faster than ours and even back when teh Vibrant/G2 was released the Scorpion CPU was faster than the Hummingbird. The Hummingbird just had a much better GPU integrated into it.
3. HSPA+ radio
4. Double the RAM of the Vibrant, which is actually more than double when you factor in the RAM dedicated to the GPU. So more like ~110% More System/App-accessible RAM (since the GPU RAM dedicated didn't change AFAICT).
5. 10% bigger battery
6. Better Camera/Camcorder, with LED Flash
7. 2 MegaPixel Front-Facing Camera
8. Wi-Fi Direct, USB On the Go (Not Sure if in US Variants)
9. Actually a factorable level of support from the carriers and OEMs at least for another year+, especially those who stick very close to the international specs (Hercules dubious here)
It's not just about the CPU. That's actually not the first thing to bottleneck in these phones, unless you're doing something specifically to tax it heavily. GPU, RAM, and I/O for example will all bottleneck before the CPU in real-world use.
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Jasonhunterx said:
But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing
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Even when Quad Core phones come out, there will be a better one 4 months later. It's the nature of the beast.
And people said the same about Dual Core processors. They'll say the same thing about 20 core processors in 5 years or whatever time it takes for them to come out, as well...

has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.

N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.

Most of improvements are minor the only thing that would make me wanna switch is the ram an flash an maybe gps only two things that make me mad about phone but i wouldnt say its stupid to upgrade but not best choice an i used sensation which i think is same cpu as herc an it was a little slow i know it has sense which is ram hog but it had 300+
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jamesd86 said:
N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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xriderx66 said:
has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.
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But cpu has been used in other phones an all tech has flaws
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rakeshchn said:
If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the epic touch (nor the SGS2's) battery will fit in the vibrant (battery is to big).

Jasonhunterx said:
That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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Obviously it wasn't needed as much as you need to learn grammar.

Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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jamesd86 said:
N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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Because your a grammar nazi, correct?
Dude GTFO.
Just because he forgot a few , . ' 's doesn't mean he has bad grammar at all.
I've seen people who can't spell things like TABLE, and their well above their age to be able to spell TABLE.

quest4fire said:
Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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More like 3 lol but i mean like people upgrade for minor things i like innovation

I've skipped the dual core laptops, now I have quad core...so I'll probably do the same with my phone, unless it got bricked before that... and I still love it.
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THread closed before this turns into a flame fest.

Would jumping to the Sensation be a bad move?

So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys

Tried my friend's Sensation out for a day and he tried my Atrix out for the same day.
The Sensation was slightly laggy, even for such a powerful processor (or was i just used to the smoothness of the Atrix?) camera was awesome and overall the phone is pretty damn good! However, he got it back with a full battery (had to charge it overnight or else it would die on me) whereas when he gave my Atrix back, it was still running on the charge from a day ago, after his heavy use too (albeit, it was nearly dead). If i was you, i'd stay with the Atrix, but at the end of the day, it's up to you.

Only if you don't mind losing battery life...
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Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?

Wond3r said:
Was your friend's Sensation running a custom ROM?
I would run ARHD on it and have Setcpu underclocking when needed as well. That ROM is said to have better battery life.
But as far as battery goes , Like I said I would just buy a spare and keep it with me. I did that with my Milestone and it wasnt much of a hassle.
And as far as the lag goes, there are TONS of animations in Sense, which I love the look of. If I wanted a period of time with no sense and more smooth performance, I would just throw on Go Launcher as my launcher, like I am with the Atrix
Apart from the battery life though, any other reason of sticking to the Atrix?
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AFAIK it was all stock, not even rooted. We just like to swap our devices every once in a while (done the same with game consoles). I'm not saying it's a bad device though

If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.

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If your on AT&T your not going to get anything above 3g on the phone most likely will be stuck in Edge. The drop in the phone storage and the battery also not using Tegra 2 CPU which according to some websites and reviews I have seen say that the Qualcomm is about 10-15% slower than the tegra 2.
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yea i dont see that as a good idea as your buddy who gets the atrix will be the clear winner in that trade!
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double posted, same reply as above, sorry!

I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.

We all have difference opinions. Some may love it but some may not. Try testing out at places or with a friend and get the feel for it. Dev here are not very active just yet but in mean time they will.
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Wond3r said:
I am in Canada, so not on AT&T
How would he be the clear winner?
As far as processor speed..
I'm sure those websites reviewed it as stock though, and not using an optimized ROM.
The Atrix is much faster using a ROM vs stock as well.
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I used to have an atrix and personally.. trading it for a sensation was the best move ever. However, I had to add on a bit of cash
I hate how the atrix recognizes the internal as an "sd card" and my other reasons was because Sense>Motoblur (in my opinion!) and I liked the looks of the sensation more + on top of that, (correct me if I'm wrong) the development in atrix forums seemed to slow down.. and on the other hand, sensations dev is still going strong! I also think that the back cover is 100x better - but, there's also flaws with the sensation cover. Can't say it's perfect
Also everyone complaining about battery life.. my sensation was unplugged 10pm last night, went to bed, woke up with 90% remaining, went to work! Got home it's now 3pm and I'm at 55% (I had a ~30 minute call and lots of texts as well as gmail syncing 2 accounts/facebook/twitter) HOWEVER I'm using a different battery. Look up "Anker". This thing is a beast! Surprisingly, it's lasting very well. I wouldn't say the battery is an issue. With this 55% it will definitely last me until tonight!
Just my two cents! I'm also in canada as well and signal/speed isn't an issue either.

You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.

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You seem to be defending the sensation a lot as if you want it, its your choice, so just go with whatever you want, everyone has their own opinions.
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Well, if he defends it and everyone elses opinions/arguments are better than his, then the atrix will be the clear winner! and agreed with the opinions part!

I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix

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I am not "defending" the sensation, since I dont even have it; its just that people are saying the Atrix is better but their arguments dont really justify it to the extent of them defending the Atrix lol
Of course we all have different opinions. I think one of the first things I said in the initial post was that I love my Atrix
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i would stick on the Atrix bandwagon for a little while longer, we're about to get nightlies on CM7 which means all our devs will be able to work on their own individual projects again. the only reason our development slowed down was because ibproud organized most of the Atrix devs into a group to port CM7 for us; now that it's almost done, people will start building their own ROMs and hacks.
it may take a month or two more, but it'll most definitely be worth the wait

Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
Sensation:
- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.

OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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So I do like my Atrix but I have the chance to do a straight trade for a Sensation.
I love Sense and would like a better camera.
Atrix does have 16gb vs the Sensation and its 8gb card, but I hardly have any space used up on mine. Its just photos and apps that are taking space pretty much - maybe 4 songs.
I dont use webtop. I like knowing the Atrix has the HDMI out and for the sensation - it has the option to do it but you need to buy the adapter cable. As much as I like the thought of that feature, I havent even used it yet lol.
I knwo the battery life on the Atrix is obviously better. I would buy a spare battery for the Sensation though and just keep it in my wallet just in case, like I used to do with my Motorola Milestone. The battery isnt very big.
Both have the same resolution and qhd.
The ROM support on the Atrix is lacking, and it looks very populated on the Sensation.
My girlfriend has the Desire which I have ROM'ed for her and its ROM support is very active and up to date for a phone of that age - I can expect the same for the Sensation?
Anything about the Atrix that is worth keeping over the Sensation?
Anything about the Sensation that should warrant the trade to it?
Thanks guys
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If i were you i'd look to swap for the sensation XE not the sensation as i believe the atrix to be better than the normal sensation

the2dcour said:
OMG totally trade for the sensation I heard the next ROM will support quad core.
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?? Wtf?

Notorious544d said:
Very interesting question.
Here's how I weigh everything up.
Atrix:
- Faster processor (despite being 1Ghz vs 1.2Ghz)
- Better GPU (more effecient, less heat and THD games)
- Much brighter display
- More RAM
- Much better battery
- Better Touchscreen (Sensation has issues)
- No death grip issues
- Webtop and fingerprint scanner
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- Better build quality
- Sharper display (RGB stripe vs PenTile)
- Brand recognition
- Better community
- Much better camera
So it's really up to you with what you prioritize.
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I wouldn't say that the Geforce ULP is betfer than the Adreno 220 GPU. Just look at the benchmark results on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17 (don't forget the qHD resolution on all Adreno 220 phones either). Also the processor of the Atrix is not faster; it handles flash better because of software reasons, but that 0,2GHz difference is visible in Linpack, so I guess custom ROMs would unleash that power with software optimizations. Also something you left out is the lack of NEON support in the Atrix (no .mkv playback or high profile h.264).
I don't want to say that the Atrix is not a great phone - I had it for a while, but then sold it for an SGSII (great decision) - but the Sensation is just better imo.