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Dual boot wp7

Idk how possible this is... But once we get vanilla gb ported to the epic it would be awesome to be able to dualboot with wp7 too. Anyone know how possible this is?
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No possible at all, wp7 has a device identifier built in and the epic wouldn't be recognized
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not to mention that wp7 only runs on snapdragon hardware that exists on the evo not epic.

Could be wrong here, but doesn't the Samsung Focus have a Hummingbird chip?

No, it has a Snapdragon CPU.
I can post many links for this, but I'll just go with this one:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/22/samsung-focus-review/

Having wp7 on the epic would be like downgrading your phone...
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jeffyv2 said:
Having wp7 on the epic would be like downgrading your phone...
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I completely disagree.

Slvrshot said:
I completely disagree.
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Because of the hardware its gonna be on but he os is garbage lol...
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jeffyv2 said:
Having wp7 on the epic would be like downgrading your phone...
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Having a choice in operating systems would be amazing. I just wish phone hardware was at least as open as PC hardware
I wouldn't choose to run WP7 personally, but the ideology of having multiple OS choices for a device you bought is great. I'd love to have meego on our phones

drunix said:
Having a choice in operating systems would be amazing. I just wish phone hardware was at least as open as PC hardware
I wouldn't choose to run WP7 personally, but the ideology of having multiple OS choices for a device you bought is great. I'd love to have meego on our phones
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Amen well said
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Putting WP7 on an android phone would probably lead to a law suite :/..MeeGo on the other hand is open source thus a possibility...

gTen said:
Putting WP7 on an android phone would probably lead to a law suite :/..MeeGo on the other hand is open source thus a possibility...
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Ya I doubt microsoft would be happy about that. From what I remember they've been pretty quick to squash the WP7 hacking community. Which is stupid because a hacking community really makes or breaks a phone OS imo. We're not the majority but we're a very loud minority and the things people like our devs do are things that (more often than not) make the phones better and are sometimes taken note of by the corporate devs.

i just thought it would be awesome, idk, wp7 just looks fun, i still prefer android over it, but itd just be fun to see how fast it would go on a hummingbird. i knew all the wp7s had snapdragons, but i didnt know they had to have snapdragons.... was a cool dream while it lasted i guess, maybe a dev or something will try and find a workaround

Nexus S on Galaxy S [i9000] feat Supercurio

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877800
The dude has it working.
The dude abides.
Cheers
Edit:
He has pushed the latest initramfs : https://github.com/project-voodoo/nsonsgs-initramfs
Not flashable with Odin Yet.. He will do that tomorrow.
Galaxy S with Nexus S kernel - Booting Nexus S Android Gingerbread
Videos are here:
http://www.youtube.com/supercurioxda

There are like two more other threads about this. Wrong section as well.
It's cool that it's ported but it is far from being a daily driver.

Nice to keep us updated as this is the only forum I check for anything vibrant.
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i think this is the right spot for this but the thing is it's only a headsup for what might be to come. looking forward to what our mods are going to be like though so...
whhooopity doo

I'd love to go ahead and just install this. But it'll prolly cause a myriad of problems on my non i-9000 phone :'(

Is it really THAT hard to dev on samsung devices? Im super greatful for all the great roms that the devs have for us, but im seeing reports all over of stable gingerbread ports to multiple devices, heck even the CLIQ has a gingerbread port before the devices which the Ns is based on.
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nonmindo said:
Is it really THAT hard to dev on samsung devices? Im super greatful for all the great roms that the devs have for us, but im seeing reports all over of stable gingerbread ports to multiple devices, heck even the CLIQ has a gingerbread port before the devices which the Ns is based on.
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I was just thinking the same thing. The HD2 has it running already with only GPS broken, Built from nexus s source.

nonmindo said:
Is it really THAT hard to dev on samsung devices? Im super greatful for all the great roms that the devs have for us, but im seeing reports all over of stable gingerbread ports to multiple devices, heck even the CLIQ has a gingerbread port before the devices which the Ns is based on.
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what ? point me one working port. You can port Gingerbread to anything you what but nothing is gonna work except the OS

Just give it time. The nexus s is the best thing to happen to us galaxy s users. The nexus s has the same cpu as the galaxy s no? That is a Huge step in the right direction.
I believe in our developers. Its not easy I'm sure, but with patience and respect I'm confident in their ability to deliver us some awesome work.
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kolyan said:
what ? point me one working port. You can port Gingerbread to anything you what but nothing is gonna work except the OS
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you said just one
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/gingerbread-ported-to-htc-hd2/

it is simple,,, SGS 'Developers' are not that good....,, we do not even have a fully functional CM6,,, what will you expect...

rsfaze said:
you said just one
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/gingerbread-ported-to-htc-hd2/
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this is a bit different i guess. its ported from Nexus One leak or something and hardware is the same. NS and Galaxy have many differences in hardware.

eortizr said:
it is simple,,, SGS 'Developers' are not that good....,, we do not even have a fully functional CM6,,, what will you expect...
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don't complain if you aren't going to help by developing either.. they all do this for free and not asking people to pay for their hard work.

Did anyone take the i9000 first release out for a test drive on the Vibrant?

zephiK said:
don't complain if you aren't going to help by developing either.. they all do this for free and not asking people to pay for their hard work.
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The problem is most of the "Developers" aren't Developers at all. They're themers and modders.
The reason why there aren't so many good developers for Galaxy S is because the hardware varies too much across the variants (pun unintended).
You can pretty much just think of them as different phones alltogether, because having the same SoC isn't really that much of a biggie. Different phones from different manufacturers can have the same SoC, but that doesn't mean the ROMs will gracefully port from one device to another.
The HD2 is an outliner, because it uses a popular SoC and the phone was released quite a bit before a slew of Android phones were released using similar SoCs (that, and HTC based later phones on similar hardware). It made the ROMs easy to port to that phone, and it made sure the system ran with acceptible performance (due to Google developing on similar hardware).

N8ter said:
The problem is most of the "Developers" aren't Developers at all. They're themers and modders.
The reason why there aren't so many good developers for Galaxy S is because the hardware varies too much across the variants (pun unintended).
You can pretty much just think of them as different phones alltogether, because having the same SoC isn't really that much of a biggie. Different phones from different manufacturers can have the same SoC, but that doesn't mean the ROMs will gracefully port from one device to another.
The HD2 is an outliner, because it uses a popular SoC and the phone was released quite a bit before a slew of Android phones were released using similar SoCs (that, and HTC based later phones on similar hardware). It made the ROMs easy to port to that phone, and it made sure the system ran with acceptible performance (due to Google developing on similar hardware).
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+1............

WP7 on Epic 4g?

How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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mancard = revoked!!

Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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I don't think anyone wants to work their ass off on a downgrade. Oh. Wait I forgot about Nokia.
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Zor Omega said:
How likely is it that we may see some sort of dual boot, or rom that runs WP7 on our epic's? I know sammy made 1 or 2 wp7 phones, and I assume they use the same chipset as the galaxy s line?? Just thought it wuldbe neat to be able to do this. I think wp7 looks pretty cool....just not cool enough to switch from android. Lol
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1) This has been asked around 5 times already
2) No its not the same stuff..WP7 version uses a 1st gen snapdragon as its the only allowed cpu at this point, we have a hummingbird cpu
3) No one is going to develop is cause M$ will sue them to next millennium...Android is ported to other phones cause its open source..WP7 is not...and they let HD2 slide because they still make money on winmo licenses..on Android phone they make no money off you..so they'll sue you to next millennium...

what he said... just use this.. http://www.appbrain.com/app/windows-phone-android/com.androidtechnical.wp7pro lol

WP7 sucks Android > wp7
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Sorry bro, you'd be better off sticking to a GSM network and owning multiple handsets if you want to do that.
A) aside from the CPU issue, WP7 still isn't out with CDMA support yet, and
B) even if it were possible, the android community would be hard pressed to pull it off largely out of mindset. Nothing is more important than free choice--as long as you choose open.
Remember, modern tech is more about elitism and team sports (us vs. them) than an unbiased love to tinker. Welcome.
/as much as I dig Android, the exclusionary mindset of its userbase just might drive me away some day
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The biggest hurdle that I see is that WP7 is a closed-source system. Getting Android to run on a device is considerable easier because all it takes is getting a Linux kernel to boot on a device then getting the JVM to boot the actual software. Linux is open source. AOSP is, well, open source. So, at that point, it's just an understanding of the hardware and how to get the kernel to play nice with it.
This is completely different with WP7. We don't have kernels to play with. It would involve reverse-engineering and redistributing closed-source, proprietary, licensed software... which is, obviously, illegal. And no small task, to boot.
I wouldn't mind having a WP7 device just to see what it's about, but this device isn't it.

Yeah I forgot about the whole closed source proprietary thing...and mircsofts lawyers. Lol. I knew the snapdragon was their baseline but wasn't sure what chips sammy was usng for their wp7 phones. It was just a thought. I haven't used a wp7 device, I just think the ui looks pretty neat. But I guess you can accomplish close to the same thing with themed launchers. I still can't decide if the whole open source, do what you want is a good thing for android or what will eventually turn people away from it.
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[Q] Porting Sense

Hey all,
I'm considering trying to go hard in the paint and make a port of sense from the HTC Droid DNA (Butterfly) to the Nexus 4. However, I'm not entirely sure it's possible. I believe the chipset is a match I'm just concerned with a few other hurdles.
I'm not very experienced in the world of Android development, so I ask those of you with much more knowledge. Aside from the sheer amount of work that would need to be done, is this even a reachable goal?

I mean, anything is possible. Ive seen older versions of sense be ported to the Nexus S, and there was a build of sense 4 on the Galaxy Nexus that never really got past just booting. It surely wouldnt be an easy task, or somebody would have done it by now. Good Luck dude.

I have a copy of a 4.2.2 Sense 5 leak that needs heavy development. I'm not concerned with the work needed, I just don't want to go through the trouble only to find that I'm limited by hardware. Which again, I don't believe will be a problem since they both run the same processor and chipset.

Reachable goal? Probably. Worth it? Probably not. Will anyone do it? Probably, but they'll stop halfway.

I would be interested, on my former Desire HD I liked to switch between aosp and sense, to everytime get the feeling I got a new phone when I changed roms
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Anything is possible! Yes there are people who hates Sense but having different choices are always nice.
I think the hardest part is to resize all elements from your copy of Sense 5 rom because screen resolution between n4 and Droid DNA is different. I remembered back in the days when ppl were trying to port Sense 3.5 (qHD) to WVGA screen HTC Phone (Desire HD/Desire Z etc), they had lot of problems...
Nonetheless, good luck! (Well I should've be more positive....)

ohcanada said:
Anything is possible! Yes there are people who hates Sense but having different choices are always nice.
I think the hardest part is to resize all elements from your copy of Sense 5 rom because screen resolution between n4 and Droid DNA is different. I remembered back in the days when ppl were trying to port Sense 3.5 (qHD) to WVGA screen HTC Phone (Desire HD/Desire Z etc), they had lot of problems...
Nonetheless, good luck! (Well I should've be more positive....)
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That and the Radio, Camera, and audio. The Radio will most likely be broken if you port from the HTC DNA due to the CDMA network, while the 4G side might work. The Camera will almost definitely be broken due to HTC's tweaks to it, as well as their Image Sense Chip in the phone. The Audio will most likely be broken due to there being TWO amplifiers in the HTC phone, and some hardware differences in these chipsets due to Beats Audio.
I will say however, that if you managed to get this working, I would definitely run it.
Best of luck,
Connor Baker

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That and the Radio, Camera, and audio. The Radio will most likely be broken if you port from the HTC DNA due to the CDMA network, while the 4G side might work. The Camera will almost definitely be broken due to HTC's tweaks to it, as well as their Image Sense Chip in the phone. The Audio will most likely be broken due to there being TWO amplifiers in the HTC phone, and some hardware differences in these chipsets due to Beats Audio.
I will say however, that if you managed to get this working, I would definitely run it.
Best of luck,
Connor Baker
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I expected these, as well as many resize issues to arise. I've already begun work on this, and it's coming along rather nicely to my surprise. Thanks for the input, everyone.

If you did port I would definitely use it
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The reason most ports stop half way is that Sense needs HTC drivers, libs and framework. Without them things like data, camera and others will never work. Many of the greatest Devs here have tried getting it working but they can only get soo far.

zelendel said:
The reason most ports stop half way is that Sense needs HTC drivers, libs and framework. Without them things like data, camera and others will never work. Many of the greatest Devs here have tried getting it working but they can only get soo far.
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This was an issue back when the MyTouch 4g was first getting ICS. There were camera drivers that had to be rewritten as well for that device. I'm fully aware of some driver rewrites that need to happen. I promise nothing other than to be persistent and determined.

I used to be a diehard HTC guy, made the jump to the nexus and love it but I miss having the option of Sense. I hope you have a decent amount of success in this endeavor.

Chomanator said:
This was an issue back when the MyTouch 4g was first getting ICS. There were camera drivers that had to be rewritten as well for that device. I'm fully aware of some driver rewrites that need to happen. I promise nothing other than to be persistent and determined.
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wow! I wish you the best! :good::good::good:

Choice is always good.
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I have to say Sense 5 is beautiful, and I hated just about every other version of it. If you get it working decently I would definitely run it.
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Well, I hate to resurrect a semi-dead thread but just to give you guys an update I have gotten Sense to boot. As expected nothing works exactly right but perhaps if my ambition keeps up, we'll have a Sense ROM to play with in the next few weeks. :good:

Chomanator said:
Well, I hate to resurrect a semi-dead thread but just to give you guys an update I have gotten Sense to boot. As expected nothing works exactly right but perhaps if my ambition keeps up, we'll have a Sense ROM to play with in the next few weeks. :good:
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Getting it to boot is a big deal though, but there's plenty to go.
I suggest a thread soon so people can chime in and help.
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Glad to hear that your project is going ok! By the way I just came across this thread and these ppl are doing the same thing right now so if you are interested you can send them a PM!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2285637

Honestly if you get it booting I'd use it just because I can
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I do have the ROM booting and mobile data mostly working. I'm having some computer issues currently so work has ground to a halt.
Also the prospect of being able to snag a copy of MIUI v5 with a 4.2 base within the next week may distract me.
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Android Kit Kat FOR ALL!

Okay, so the title might be a little misleading. But I want to start a super-project with a bunch of developers here on XDA to bring 4.4 to Legacy Devices. some of you may laugh at my idea, but the truth is PLENTY of us are either stuck at an old version or hate the custom ROM manufactures put in place on our devices. I recently received an old T mobile sidekick 4G, witch is stuck at Froyo. I want to compile android 4.4 when it releases, to be compatible with my SK4G. I know it seems ridiculous to work on such on old device, but i'm a "Developer on a budget". I'm not asking someone to work on a ROM for me, but it would be cool to get some direction on how to do this. I also want to work on Kit Kat ROM's for the HTC Wildfire S, Huawei Ascend Q, and the Kyocera Hydro Elite.
Thanks to anyone viewing this! If you would like to join my cause and add your device to the list, just comment your device!

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I think the hardware limits you. I don't believe those phones have enough underneath the hood to run ICS and up.....
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mouf32 said:
I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I think the hardware limits you. I don't believe those phones have enough underneath the hood to run ICS and up.....
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If the rumours are true, kitkat is supposed to be far less hungry for hardware performance than JB or ICS. I use an old SE X10 mini pro running a similar processor to the wildfire S, and it was possible to run jb 4.1.2 on it, even though it was pretty laggy.
All in all, with a bit of luck(concerning the rumours), knowledge, compiling and time (not to forgetting a little naive thinking ), it might yet be possible to use kitkat on legacy devices. With that, I would like to add my device to the list and offer whatever help I can.
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My device isn't really a legacy device and will be easy to get 4.4 on, but if anyone needs help compiling or getting started on building for their device I'll definitely help
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How's mine?... :good:
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This is far byond my imagination.. however , good idea though .. but im not a dev..
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im no developer but i can tell you it that even if it does take less resources to run kitkat, its all about the drivers...
if kitkat uses drivers newer than what your phone has available then it will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to get it to work right
say for example kitkat requires updated drivers for wifi that are unavailable to your phone, you either find some workaround for it (much harder than it sounds) or you will not have wifi
or say kitkat uses newer graphics drivers your phone doesnt have, then you might not even be able to get the screen to work at all
if workarounds are needed it could take months and months to get it to work at all and with tons of bugs
just take the droid 1 for example, gingerbread wasnt too bad to port to it since there werent a ton of major changes but ics took nearly 6 months to get working and it was still buggy with all the workarounds and that was a very popular early developer device

Thanks for the in put, but I can figure something out....
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My WFS has 4.1.2 with the ability to run 4.2.2. Same with the Huawei's
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You certainly won't manage to port it to the sidekick. They never even got cm because that phone uses really odd drivers etc
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Please help
azoller1 said:
My device isn't really a legacy device and will be easy to get 4.4 on, but if anyone needs help compiling or getting started on building for their device I'll definitely help
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I have a Kyocera Hydro Elite and in my all stupidity I've played way to much with system files. Now the device boots up to Kyocera screen and then lands to Verizon....after a while vibrates there and then restarts.
I cant seem to find a RUU for this device to fix it. I have dump of /system though. A kind soul gave me that. I don't know if that's gonna help.
Thanks in advance.

It's running on the moto defy and there is a group of guys working on a droid x build. Both devices are about 3 years old and have locked bootloaders. Most likely the droid x guys will need an updated recovery in order to get 4.4 to flash. They are so focused on fixing build errors that they might like some help with the recovery.
Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507779
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crazy4creationstudios said:
Thanks for the in put, but I can figure something out....
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See the flaw is, I here tons of people say "Oh, Kitkat 4.4 will run becuase it uses less ram", Which is true, but this won't make it possible to run on a 3-6 year old device. Kitkat is more about nand than it is ram. To run kitkat, you device is going to need at least 300mb for system space.
And not to get you red or mad or anything, but I'm going to tell you that this project is far away from possible atm. I've prayed that one day google will become like ubuntu and make it android with almost universal drivers, but its not possible.
See, the flaw to this whole topic is that you left out a key piece of evidence. There are over 500 different android phones and such including android watches, glass, tvs etc. And it takes weeks to months to get a build for just 1 phone stable, and thats if you a great developer. And first you have to find a developer that owns that phone, let alone 500+ devs. And I'm sure most or at least half will want some type of pay for it, cause its not easy.
Sorry man, Im telling you the nicest way, but it just is impossible

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Aiko0923 said:
See the flaw is, I here tons of people say "Oh, Kitkat 4.4 will run becuase it uses less ram", Which is true, but this won't make it possible to run on a 3-6 year old device. Kitkat is more about nand than it is ram. To run kitkat, you device is going to need at least 300mb for system space.
And not to get you red or mad or anything, but I'm going to tell you that this project is far away from possible atm. I've prayed that one day google will become like ubuntu and make it android with almost universal drivers, but its not possible.
See, the flaw to this whole topic is that you left out a key piece of evidence. There are over 500 different android phones and such including android watches, glass, tvs etc. And it takes weeks to months to get a build for just 1 phone stable, and thats if you a great developer. And first you have to find a developer that owns that phone, let alone 500+ devs. And I'm sure most or at least half will want some type of pay for it, cause its not easy.
Sorry man, Im telling you the nicest way, but it just is impossible
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I have a criteria for this.
Must have 512MB+ of RAM
Must have 1Gb.+ of memory total
Must have a 1Ghz+ processor
Must be running ICS or later.

crazy4creationstudios said:
I have a criteria for this.
Must have 512MB+ of RAM
Must have 1Gb.+ of memory total
Must have a 1Ghz+ processor
Must be running ICS or later.
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and the nand req

Sony xperia m
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GT-I8260
Hi guys! First, this idea is awesome for Legacy device users (like me ). Second, i will ask, maybe someone can port any SlimRom to our device, we will be proud, if someone gonna do that. Galaxy Core is good phone, but the problem is, that we don`t have any dev, that can port rom for us. We - Core users are asking for help. Thanks!

Go for it
I recentlybroke my Galaxy S 4G and am back on the Sidekick 4G-- my girlfriend also has the same phone lol. If you could finish up where windxixi left off, Gingerbread would give this phone new life.