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Will the epic have a great dev community

Will the epic have dev community like the evo or no
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How would anyone know that......
The only way anyone would know that is in time. You will need to watch the community grow.

ttieder said:
Will the epic have dev community like the evo or no
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Not sure if the EPIC 4G will have all on it's own, but I do see there is a lot of support for the Galaxy S series.. CDMA usually get less dev support than GSM devices, but that has been changing lately.
XDA used to cater mostly to HTC devices.. They have since expanded to different manufacturers.. And there is also the SDX Dev community...
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nope never. the devs are all working now for Sprint and are going to charge for their ROMs

Right now, what I can see, it looks like joeykrim and noobnl and a couple of others or so are cracking away at it. Most of the "action" seems to be happening over at sdx atm.
Unless some of the devs from the other galaxy s phones come over here and share the love, I think "we" might be on our own (so to speak). I saw a few placeholders for roms in the dev section. They might be doing stuff behind the scenes too.
Now I don't have too much free time on my hands. One thing I was pondering was if someone gathered the info from the other galaxy s phones and tried to determine what, if any, might be similarities under the hood. Like was rooting different, same or similar between models? The only apparent difference seems to be the epic has flash led and hardware keyboard. I don't know how much those two things could possibly change the structure of things (hardware and software) between all the models. I suspect there will be quite a few similarities after the dust settles.

clockcycle said:
Not sure if the EPIC 4G will have all on it's own, but I do see there is a lot of support for the Galaxy S series.. CDMA usually get less dev support than GSM devices, but that has been changing lately.
XDA used to cater mostly to HTC devices.. They have since expanded to different manufacturers.. And there is also the SDX Dev community...
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They problem is that the epic cant use roms from the other sgs phones like the others can because of the camera, keyboard & touchwiz changes. The drivers are not fully released so I am unsure how porting roms to the epic would work out. I think the epic cant really depend on the other sgs phones for development.

Zzim said:
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I was asking because I was checking the other galaxy s forums and there dev support nowhere close to the evo. But u are right we will wait and see
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doubt it.. phone to fugly in my opinion.. just got back from sprint store... worse version of galaxy s ever ...

ajftl said:
doubt it.. phone to fugly in my opinion.. just got back from sprint store... worse version of galaxy s ever ...
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I agree with you 100%. I get 27% discount from work and that still could not get me to keep the epic for more then 1 day. I cant believe all the apps\features they left out that the others sgs phones have.

SDX is hard at work on it and the devs there, and some of the users/testers (me), are trying to keep both sides (XDA and SDX) informed on anything that happens on either side.
SDX is really a great community; I've been with them since I purchased my Moment. And it's only because of them that my phone was usable.
I expect that all the missing features and more will be added to the Epic before too long especially if both communities work together with no drama.

I know everyone loves custom roms, but what is it that we want to see from the dev community?
As much as I would love to see custom roms flying out of every orifice, I only loaded custom roms on my EVO to get it up to speed (fps hack, better performance, etc). Also to increase battery life... but it didn't seem to help THAT much.
I'm pretty content with my Epic. The everyday stuff I do on this phone already works perfectly. Games, movies, music, web browsing, camera, etc. It's nuts how fast it is, so I won't be needing to overclock. The only thing I want to see from the dev community right now is root+nand unlocked. I must have root access... it's killing me.

2.2 ROMs...What are we waiting for?

OK, I am NOT a dev. I have no idea how to code for Android. I am astounded at the amazing work many people do on here. This is simply a thread for me to gain some knowledge. I know people have made 2.1 ROMs, so obviously the drivers necessary to make ROMs are all available. Also, I know that 2.2 is on the AOSP, and has been for awhile. So what I don't understand, as a result of my ignorance, is what is holding up the fine community here from making a good clean port of stock 2.2 for the Fascinate. I am sure this is an easy question to answer and anyone that can clue me in, I would greatly appreciate it. What do we need to happen for the real fun to begin with ROM creation for the Fascinate? Thanks!

Short answer is the current kernel we have does not support 2.2, only 2.1. Since samsung hasn't released source code for a 2.2 Kernel for fascinate the dev's can't build one. the closest thing we have is the galaxy K source code, which is the exact same hardware as the fascinate except from korea. Unfortuatly that kernel doesn't support RFS (samsung's proprietary file system) so it won't boot anything on our phones, which use RFS for all of the internal data partitions. So untill we have access to a kernel that does support froyo, no froyo roms will boot.
there are other issues, but I believe that is the main reason no one is seriously working on a 2.2 rom, because even if they built one, there's no way to test it without a kernel. hope this explained a little.

Just because the source code is on aosp doesn't mean we can just build a rom and bam, working froyo. No galaxy s devices have a working aosp built rom yet, and we are working on it. The kernel is only part of the problem, getting the aosp apps to work instead of the Samsung apparently is proving to be a little tricky.
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We can build Froyo on this kernel...the Eris does. I think the devs want the 2.2 source so they don't have to fight an uphill battle like all the Eris devs did, haha.
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I Looked at the other SGS Phones and i think all of them have froyo roms and kernals, Im not try to be rude to the devs, thank you for all your excellent work, but why can't they build or port a 2.2 kernal.

Chuban7 said:
I Looked at the other SGS Phones and i think all of them have froyo roms and kernals, Im not try to be rude to the devs, thank you for all your excellent work, but why can't they build or port a 2.2 kernal.
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Why can't you?
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Chuban7 said:
I Looked at the other SGS Phones and i think all of them have froyo roms and kernals, Im not try to be rude to the devs, thank you for all your excellent work, but why can't they build or port a 2.2 kernal.
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My take on it: We have a few very talented devs that we are very fortunate to have working on the Fascinate. They are very capable of producing Froyo roms and kernals given enough time. The thing is, it's very time consuming and this isn't the only thing they have going in their lives. They have work or school, wives or girlfriends, some have children. Their time for developing is limited. So they work on whats practical. Froyo development isn't all that practical because Froyo will be released by Samsung well before they could realistically complete the task. Once Froyo is released by Samsung, they can take the source and unf*&# what Samsung and Verizon f%*& up. Thank you JT, Birdman, Dirrk, Deodexed, and all the other devs who make my phone better.

suppliesidejesus said:
We can build Froyo on this kernel...the Eris does. I think the devs want the 2.2 source so they don't have to fight an uphill battle like all the Eris devs did, haha.
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PunkKaos already confirmed he got KaosFroyo to boot on his Fascinate before it went up in smoke. He said it wasn't due to the ROM either, just a bad phone.
He hasn't been able to get another one yet, so until then, we won't see it released.

kurt2720 said:
My take on it: We have a few very talented devs that we are very fortunate to have working on the Fascinate. They are very capable of producing Froyo roms and kernals given enough time. The thing is, it's very time consuming and this isn't the only thing they have going in their lives. They have work or school, wives or girlfriends, some have children. Their time for developing is limited. So they work on whats practical. Froyo development isn't all that practical because Froyo will be released by Samsung well before they could realistically complete the task. Once Froyo is released by Samsung, they can take the source and unf*&# what Samsung and Verizon f%*& up. Thank you JT, Birdman, Dirrk, Deodexed, and all the other devs who make my phone better.
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+1 Googleplex.
Like I said before, devs for the Eris (and CDMA Hero, etc.) used the kernel version used for 2.1 to develop Froyo for those phones, but the development process was rife with bugs and incomplete features for MONTHS. Starting now and fighting an uphill battle with compiling, and drivers, and everything else doesn't make sense when we are getting 2.2 source in just under a month, now.

Chuban7 said:
I Looked at the other SGS Phones and i think all of them have froyo roms and kernals, Im not try to be rude to the devs, thank you for all your excellent work, but why can't they build or port a 2.2 kernal.
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because when you're nearly the only one working on something extremely complex and you also have a REAL life, it's not as easy as you might want it to be. rom development doesn't pay the bills.

kurt2720 said:
My take on it: We have a few very talented devs that we are very fortunate to have working on the Fascinate. They are very capable of producing Froyo roms and kernals given enough time. The thing is, it's very time consuming and this isn't the only thing they have going in their lives. They have work or school, wives or girlfriends, some have children. Their time for developing is limited. So they work on whats practical. Froyo development isn't all that practical because Froyo will be released by Samsung well before they could realistically complete the task. Once Froyo is released by Samsung, they can take the source and unf*&# what Samsung and Verizon f%*& up.
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or this

That's why from now on I get a phone with a good OS out of the box. This way I don't depend on devs to work on a zillion phones!!!
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Sherwood1,
Shut up.
Bye!

...and another thread's IQ level is lowered by the denizens of xda. Great job, kids.

I find myself wishing WoW's 'ignore' function could be translated to various other mediums of communication...
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Sherwood1 said:
That's why from now on I get a phone with a good OS out of the box. This way I don't depend on devs to work on a zillion phones!!!
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What phone has an operating system that is good "enough" out of the box. Besides, what fun is that?

sheesh people, can't believe you're talking like that with jesus around

I see a disabled account in someones future. Anywho it seems people have this notion that 2.2 is gonna make this thing come alive when in fact it already is alive. Or is it penned up anger that they bought car/desk docks without having full audio functions.
good day.

Jt. Cast ur android spells on these guys. As far as this thread goes I forgot what we were talking about.
Edit: went back and looked at title. OP rest assured that when Verizon and Samsung finally get us froyo, jt and fallingup will spit us out some good ****. Bottom line end of story
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Wow.
Even I find this thread pointless.
Wtf.
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Not another Froyo Post..

This isn't a rant or anything, or I won't try to make it one. But I just came across on Android Central that the Droid is getting 2.2.1.
Now this is just so depressing already that we have a phone that's been out for about 5 months now and haven't seen Froyo (only in Unoffical leaked builds). The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
I'm just saying, this just makes Samsung look that much worse.
http://www.androidcentral.com/leaked-android-221-motorola-droid-frg83

so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.

The leaked FroYo build is knocking my socks off...
Just sayin'

s15274n said:
so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.
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I didn't mean to bash or knock it. There's nothing wrong with the builds, it'd be nice to have an official build though I guess..

Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..

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Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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K, I'm done.

presence06 said:
The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
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There's really no debate that Samsung is WAY behind here. Yes. the Droid has been out way longer, but the Incredible and Droid X haven't and they've gotten Froyo a long time ago. Incredible got it around 8/30 and X around 9/21.
Assuming that Samsung does get it out this year, that puts them anywhere from 2-4 months behind the competition, depending on when they do finally release it.
That's really bad. Sure they didn't promise 2.2 at any particular time, but that doesn't mean I don't factor it in when making my next phone purchase. I hope everyone does. If not, it'll give the manufactures even more reason to withhold updates in the future and try to push new phones instead.

Just heard from Cyanogen's twitter that CM6 is finished for the G2. I'm sure the new my touch isn't far behind.
Depressing
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s15274n said:
Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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Yeah, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Droid already HAS an official Froyo, and the leaked build is a second generation update.
The Vibrant does NOT have an official build, and the way it's going, the Droid X may have Gingerbread before we get an official Froyo build.
How can you even begin to defend Samsung?

Yes, it is "just" another Froyo post. +1 Ignore!
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Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.

MacGuy2006 said:
LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.

Only thing wrong with these threads is they are always full of hearsay. Rarely anyone states fact, just opinion. Who says sammy is holding it back? The leak came from tmo right? this pessimistic view is what makes ppl always have that "omg I have froyo & I hate it, its not perfect.... I want gingerbread" mentality. Life lesson, you'll never be happy with this attitude.
I, myself, try to look at the recent events of the "rumoured nexus s" that engadget posted pics. If this does happen to grace the GS community think of how fast, far, & easily we may make it to 2.3! Im no tech & I may be way off, but id like to think that this would give us the OPEN "NEXUS" development base we'd need to achieve that level of vanilla android base w/ drivers, code & hopefully working gps ;j (minus the new chipset, obviously).
Just be glad that we do have devs who do what they can & hope that sammy doesn't do anything else to screw us. I will be hoping (but not holding my breathe) for a nexus $ gingerbread port.

DKYang said:
Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Exactly. Remember that Froyo was actually built for the Snapdragon, whereas most of the GS hardware is unlike that seen in other previous phones.
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If theres a leaked froyo it means Samsung has fine their part. Its up to tmo to push it out.
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DKYang said:
Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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How come none of the people that rant about not having an official Froyo release remember that 1. we have they best hardware of any phone out, I can't recall how many times I've heard owners of other phones complain that they've run out of room for their apps because they only have 2gb internal storage, and 2. this site is XDA Developers not XDA stock software release news. If you want to rant about the official release go over to the T-Mobile or Samsung forums and do it.
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12paq said:
Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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The devs have no choice but to share. Voiding warranties is uncool for many of us.
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EVO tablet

I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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babyschoof said:
I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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You got it. i'll pass that along to HTC. i'm SURE they'll listen and jump on it straightaway.
Seriously though, the ipad is difficult to beat. they did actually make a major upgrade in the new A5 processor with dual core. they also thinned it out a bit, the rest is mediocre like you said.

HTC already announced it, it's called the HTC Flyer and it doesn't look all that good. Single core running a tablet like sense on top of 2.3.

Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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babyschoof said:
Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.

Award Tour said:
I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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Um .... Cm _is_ just AOSP...

Award Tour said:
I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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You just defined what Cyanogenmod is in your own post and discredited it at the same time.

Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.

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Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).

Justin.G11 said:
"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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I was replying to the poster who said that OEMs should be consulted by CM. I'm just saying that OEMs have to get Android running on the hardware period, not to mention develop/design their overlays, which as much as I hate, are far more encompassing than the features/tweaks CM adds. Bottom line: they got much more to worry about than mostly just cleaning up. Not trying to discredit CM, just suggesting not to downplay the bigger role OEMs have in the process.

Thank you for the laugh of the day. VERRY WELL SAID?
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I've got the answer. The hardware is so similar between the vendors now, so google should set the standard (not the crappy half assed job they did before) and do an X-Prize type contest. Make one kick butt tablet and have the best minds compete. No skins, no bloatware, just a solid device. Sure they burn a lot of bridges with their vendors, but everyone would want it, and Google comes out ahead in the long run. Truly compete against apple with an open platform. The gPhone!
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.

Imprezed said:
Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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novanosis85 said:
Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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It fills a niche. I personally have a hard time buying any of the "phone" tablets because if I'm on a computer 99% of the time I either have a IDE/Photoshop/Illustrator open. None of the current tablets will able to do what I need. But Windows 7 is not really fit for tablet - I used to have a Tablet PC running Windows 7 and you might as well just get a decent dual core Atom netbook (which I do have) because it's not worth it.
What I'm waiting for is Windows 8. It'll probably be very touch friendly in desktop mode and is suppose to have a secondary WP7/Metro-like shell which I assume will also be able to run mobile/tablet-like mini apps. Either use it like a iPad/Xoom/whatever or dock it to a keyboard and get real **** done. Best of both worlds and it'll probably work great with next gen Atoms or energy sipping multiple core ARM CPUs.

Can I just say that the guy bagging on CM7 is a douche? Can this be a "douche-bump" post?
That just happened!

What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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CM is not for everyone. Saying cm is the only reason to be on these forums is retarded. Might ad well rename this site cm7-4-life.com.
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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That's great that you're a big fan of CM, but not everyone likes or uses their ROMs. AOSP is not for everyone, that's why I'm glad we have choices.
MIUI 1.2.25 with stock kernel
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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are you talking to me? Because CM is just about the only ROM I use and the reason why I even got the EVO in the first place. I think you're completely missing my point.
Someone said that OEMs (like HTC, Samsung) should get consulted by the CM team. I said its not a fair comparison because:
A. Most of the time CM depends on OEM provided drivers to get CM running. That in itself can be a hard thing to implement from scratch on a new device. Android isn't like Windows where you can buy a license and Microsoft provides full support.
B. OEM skins like Sense and Touchwiz are much bigger projects than the tweaks/functions that CM adds.
I just thought that poster was undervaluing how much the OEM has to do, and that getting consulted by the CM team is probably not as valuable to them as he thinks.
If any team should do contracting/consulting, it should be the MIUI team. Their work is incredibly impressive and covers a far larger scope than CM. At least they do a consumer/user friendly job at modifying/skinning Android - the best on Android in fact, OEM skins/overlays included.
Anyway, you took this way too personally and over blown it (why?) way beyond what it is. I appreciate and use CM but am not disillusioned or completely uninformed by the reality of consumer development.
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Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.

Hosehead said:
Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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Not sure what you are looking for or what you are missing, but there has been plenty of Dev support for the VZW VS980

Hosehead said:
Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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I am talking from my experience with the G Pro. There are Roms but really all those CM based Roms or other ones are all weak compared to the stock based Roms. U loose so many features with those costume Roms. From dual shot camera and video to quick note to smart screen and smart video to some other great features u only have on stock ROM. U basically gonna cripple ur G2 if u use a costume ROM.
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Hosehead said:
Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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OMG another one of these threads that has been answered over and over. If you don't like the current developer support on the G2, then return it. I find it funny that the people that always ask starts these topics are smart enough to find XDA forums to look for development but yet don't look around in the General and Development threads to gauge for themselves on whether it has enough developer support for that phone to them.
How soon do people except a custom ROM besides just a debloated stock ROM in the first few weeks? Since its clear that you are not a developer and don't understand that you can't just whip out pre-alpha custom ROMs that will crash people's phones and it takes time to do this stuff. Remember that the developers are not paid to do this stuff and do this as a hobby. If you can't deal with patience than get the GS4 or the HTC One.

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OMG another one of these threads that has been answered over and over. If you don't like the current developer support on the G2, then return it. I find it funny that the people that always ask starts these topics are smart enough to find XDA forums to look for development but yet don't look around in the General and Development threads to gauge for themselves on whether it has enough developer support for that phone to them.
How soon do people except a custom ROM besides just a debloated stock ROM in the first few weeks? Since its clear that you are not a developer and don't understand that you can't just whip out pre-alpha custom ROMs that will crash people's phones and it takes time to do this stuff. Remember that the developers are not paid to do this stuff and do this as a hobby. If you can't deal with patience than get the GS4 or the HTC One.
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This thread happens with every new phone lol! O.P even the phones you want to exchange with this one at some point had threads just like this one right before ROMS became available

2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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2 roms is far from a lot of support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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Sounds like the OP is the typical "user" anymore. For some reason even tjo they have no idea the amount of work that goes into building a rom or a kernel or mod, they just somehow feel entitled to get it when they want it. Guess what dude, had HTC ONE on release day , and development was slower than the G2 is. Want a rom when you want it.....build it yourself . this **** aint easy, if it was youd be building a rom instead of *****ing about it.

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2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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Don't know what to say since you feel entitled to have 20 custom ROMs a week after release. If you are so compelled to want custom ROMs, why don't you try developing one and contributing instead of complaining. You seem way too paranoid about developer support for a phone for someone that contributes nothing to the development scene. Most of us are just grateful that we have volunteer developers that want to develop ROMs for the LG G2. I don't demand but rather appreciate all the hard work that they do when they feel ready to release it. I understand that making a ROM is not a walk in the park or else everyone would be doing it.
My advice to you....get a GS4 or HTC One. It has 20 billion custom ROMs that you can flash to your heart's desire right now.

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Don't know what to say since you feel entitled to have 20 custom ROMs a week after release. If you are so compelled to want custom ROMs, why don't you try developing one and contributing instead of complaining. You seem way too paranoid about developer support for a phone for someone that contributes nothing to the development scene. Most of us are just grateful that we have volunteer developers that want to develop ROMs for the LG G2. I don't demand but rather appreciate all the hard work that they do when they feel ready to release it. I understand that making a ROM is not a walk in the park or else everyone would be doing it.
My advice to you....get a GS4 or HTC One. It has 20 billion custom ROMs that you can flash to your heart's desire right now.
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Or just get an iPhone, it seems to have as much development future as the G2 according to the OP

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2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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Then return it, or sack up n learn how to do it yourself.....

Hosehead said:
2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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It hasn't even been a full month yet, and we have a decent amount of mods and a couple ROMs already. That's nothing to scoff at by any sort of reasonable standard. Slow your roll, bro.

Hosehead said:
Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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im a flashaholic, and once i got root on this bad boy i got all my apps i needed
gameplay is smooth
im really liking lg's UI and stock rom/kernel
Phone rarely even gets warm ,not hot.
Camera is really great
Quick Remote is great as well
Im satisfied with stock rom for once. lol
battery is INSANE checkout post #76 screenshots , no way thatll happen on the ONE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470564&page=8

I've owned plenty of popular flagship devices and even though they have plenty of ROM selection, I've found them to be very similar to each other so I only chose between two or three different ones as my daily driver... So ROM selection is usually over rated based on all the copycat ROM available.
I personally enjoyed my time more with the smaller and unpopular devices that had fewer ROM's at first but then development picked up. Which I think will be the case with this phone.
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Or how about STFU...I think that about covers it ?
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I'm very happy with this phone and the activity in the development community so far. The only two major things I would like to see happen in the future is a port of 4.4 and of 5.0 when they eventually are released into the wild. I don't have much faith in LG but with the new nexus phone so similar I'd imagine this will be done.
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Medialunas said:
I'm very happy with this phone and the activity in the development community so far. The only two major things I would like to see happen in the future is a port of 4.4 and of 5.0 when they eventually are released into the wild. I don't have much faith in LG but with the new nexus phone so similar I'd imagine this will be done.
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Ya with the nexus phone for sure. But for there non nexus phones.? I don't know if LG can be trusted to update those. Lol
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Lots of bitter smart asses here I see. Wow. I stated an opinion and got flamed. What douchebags.
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from my experience the best roms out there is the one close to the ship rom. any AOSP or etc. roms will have missing features.

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Lots of bitter smart asses here I see. Wow. I stated an opinion and got flamed. What douchebags.
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U diserve it, whining cause someone else isnt doing work u want on your timeframe....... If its that big of a deal, do some research, and learn.... then u dont have to depend on anyone but u...