I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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You got it. i'll pass that along to HTC. i'm SURE they'll listen and jump on it straightaway.
Seriously though, the ipad is difficult to beat. they did actually make a major upgrade in the new A5 processor with dual core. they also thinned it out a bit, the rest is mediocre like you said.
HTC already announced it, it's called the HTC Flyer and it doesn't look all that good. Single core running a tablet like sense on top of 2.3.
Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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Um .... Cm _is_ just AOSP...
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You just defined what Cyanogenmod is in your own post and discredited it at the same time.
Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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I was replying to the poster who said that OEMs should be consulted by CM. I'm just saying that OEMs have to get Android running on the hardware period, not to mention develop/design their overlays, which as much as I hate, are far more encompassing than the features/tweaks CM adds. Bottom line: they got much more to worry about than mostly just cleaning up. Not trying to discredit CM, just suggesting not to downplay the bigger role OEMs have in the process.
Thank you for the laugh of the day. VERRY WELL SAID?
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I've got the answer. The hardware is so similar between the vendors now, so google should set the standard (not the crappy half assed job they did before) and do an X-Prize type contest. Make one kick butt tablet and have the best minds compete. No skins, no bloatware, just a solid device. Sure they burn a lot of bridges with their vendors, but everyone would want it, and Google comes out ahead in the long run. Truly compete against apple with an open platform. The gPhone!
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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It fills a niche. I personally have a hard time buying any of the "phone" tablets because if I'm on a computer 99% of the time I either have a IDE/Photoshop/Illustrator open. None of the current tablets will able to do what I need. But Windows 7 is not really fit for tablet - I used to have a Tablet PC running Windows 7 and you might as well just get a decent dual core Atom netbook (which I do have) because it's not worth it.
What I'm waiting for is Windows 8. It'll probably be very touch friendly in desktop mode and is suppose to have a secondary WP7/Metro-like shell which I assume will also be able to run mobile/tablet-like mini apps. Either use it like a iPad/Xoom/whatever or dock it to a keyboard and get real **** done. Best of both worlds and it'll probably work great with next gen Atoms or energy sipping multiple core ARM CPUs.
Can I just say that the guy bagging on CM7 is a douche? Can this be a "douche-bump" post?
That just happened!
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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CM is not for everyone. Saying cm is the only reason to be on these forums is retarded. Might ad well rename this site cm7-4-life.com.
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What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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That's great that you're a big fan of CM, but not everyone likes or uses their ROMs. AOSP is not for everyone, that's why I'm glad we have choices.
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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are you talking to me? Because CM is just about the only ROM I use and the reason why I even got the EVO in the first place. I think you're completely missing my point.
Someone said that OEMs (like HTC, Samsung) should get consulted by the CM team. I said its not a fair comparison because:
A. Most of the time CM depends on OEM provided drivers to get CM running. That in itself can be a hard thing to implement from scratch on a new device. Android isn't like Windows where you can buy a license and Microsoft provides full support.
B. OEM skins like Sense and Touchwiz are much bigger projects than the tweaks/functions that CM adds.
I just thought that poster was undervaluing how much the OEM has to do, and that getting consulted by the CM team is probably not as valuable to them as he thinks.
If any team should do contracting/consulting, it should be the MIUI team. Their work is incredibly impressive and covers a far larger scope than CM. At least they do a consumer/user friendly job at modifying/skinning Android - the best on Android in fact, OEM skins/overlays included.
Anyway, you took this way too personally and over blown it (why?) way beyond what it is. I appreciate and use CM but am not disillusioned or completely uninformed by the reality of consumer development.
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http://phandroid.com/2011/05/10/goo...mb-because-they-wanted-to-wait-for-ice-cream/
According to this we wont be seeing any HC source until ICSW is out, so we get no custom roms until Q4?
Am I wrong? Please tell me!
o.m.g no
im feeling bad....as bad as when I first watched rebecca black
Please, someone with knowledge confirm this unsaintly act untrue!
Well Google did say they were holding back the source when HC came out. They didn't give a date or even if it would be released so tbh if they are now saying it will be released, it's an improvement on what we already knew.
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I'm not sure what I would want in a custom rom, all I want is plain android and we already have that.
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I'm not sure what I would want in a custom rom, all I want is plain android and we already have that.
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Do you understand what I mean by custom roms? lol
Do you understand what you mean by custom ROMs? If you had a custom ROM, it would no longer be plain "vanilla" Android, which is what Bauxite wants. I agree with Bauxite, I think it's likely most custom ROMs will be inferior to the stock experience in Honeycomb, at least initially. Not that I wouldn't try a few on for size.
Fortunately without access to the Honeycomb source code we still have plenty of options to customize kernels, theme our interface, and overclock with root access.
I really don't think we need any roms either.
Nothing could really be done other than Themes and Deodexing.
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Do you understand what I mean by custom roms? lol
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Of course I do, but who cares about things like theming, and adding/removing built in apps. Sure CM7-like features would be nice, but the honeycomb experience itself is about as good as it gets
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Of course I do, but who cares about things like theming, and adding/removing built in apps. Sure CM7-like features would be nice, but the honeycomb experience itself is about as good as it gets
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Hmm. I get what you're saying, I always like a vanilla OS too. However, until those hero devs of ours get a chance to play with the HC source I'm nit sure you can say this is as good as it gets.... just look at the awesome kernel work that's being done!
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Maybe what we need its not Custom rom but theme builder or something like that. If its true honeycomb will be equal to every honeycomb tablet (apart from the widgets) then there is no point in modding... i mean there was a point in doing it with a outdated phone but not with honeycomb and future ice cream
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I really don't think we need any roms either.
Nothing could really be done other than Themes and Deodexing.
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Yes. Themes. Agreed.
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http://phandroid.com/2011/05/10/goo...mb-because-they-wanted-to-wait-for-ice-cream/
According to this we wont be seeing any HC source until ICSW is out, so we get no custom roms until Q4?
Am I wrong? Please tell me!
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Don't hold your breath on ever seeing the HC source. They have held it back, mainly in part because once it goes AOSP they effectively loose control of its final application. For example, think of all the craplets that come out of Shenzhen taking Android and putting in on devices it was not intended to go on which resulted in a exceeding poor product offering at ridiculously low prices. Now to you and I (read the enthusiast community) we understand that these are craplets and as such do not condemn Android tablets to the depths of hell for being a craplet because it was never intended for that application. However the general populace does not think the same way. They see an "Android tablet" for $100, think awesome, buy the POS and proceed to have a horrible "Android tablet" experience at which time they proceed to tell everyone they know that Android tablets are crap and yadda yadda yadda... And this in turn shapes the general perception which makes it harder and harder for Android to gain acceptance in the tablet space. So in order to gain foothold they developed a version of Android specific for tablets and I would bet good money they never had intentions of releasing HC to AOSP. This is unfortunately the only way that they can control how this OS is used, because they know for a fact if they released it, it would only be a matter of days before you started seeing people trying to put HC on phones, which it was never intended for, or putting it on craplets which results in a significantly substandard experience. So instead you had a decision made to wait until you had convergence in the Android OS again (read ICS) at which point all devices will exist on the same OS, and you can correct the shortcuts that were taken in HC to get a product that works as well as it does given such a short development period.
Bottom line is, we may not agree with the decision, and we certainly by no means have to like the decision, but if you look at the problems objectively it makes sense.
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http://phandroid.com/2011/05/10/goo...mb-because-they-wanted-to-wait-for-ice-cream/
According to this we wont be seeing any HC source until ICSW is out, so we get no custom roms until Q4?
Am I wrong? Please tell me!
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Guys i think he means being able to run the os before it is actually realeased...i would like this as well
Stating that there's nothing (or very little) to be gained from a custom ROM is pretty absurd.
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Stating that there's nothing (or very little) to be gained from a custom ROM is pretty absurd.
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Finally, some sanity in this thread.
Well not completely but compared to the other tablets Dev sections it does seem quite dormant. Just look at the Transformer or the Acer Inconia. There hasn't been much activity here besides a few mods but not any full releases.
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Well not completely but compared to the other tablets Dev sections it does seem quite dormant. Just look at the Transformer or the Acer Inconia. There hasn't been much activity here besides a few mods but not any full releases.
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Mmm... this topic has been brought up so so so many times...
It's hard to do anything when Google is keeping the Honeycomb source locked up. As far as I know the other Honeycomb tablets have been modified by the manufacturing company to alter certain parts of the Android OS and such, thus allowing for a bit more flexibility when it comes to development.
As far as the Xoom goes, it's the only official pure stock vanilla Google experience tablet, and Google is keeping it locked down without further notice. It's assumed that they will be ready to fully release the source for everything when Ice Cream Sandwich launches in the near future.
If the devs could use magic, they would. Until then... we must wait for ICS. The Xoom is Google's baby, as it was the first of it's kind to start the dawn of the Honeycomb era. When they are good and ready, the development scene for the Xoom will skyrocket in short notice. Trust me.
Also, the only other thing the developers can try besides just tweaking stuff is port the Galaxy Tab 10.1's Touch Wiz Rom to the Xoom. But it's a step back as it's only Android 3.1 while we are already on 3.2.
Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha I agree.
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Also the other devices are incorporating Xoom or Galaxy bits and catching up. This is the problem with the device officially having the newest OS out there. The will be a day when the Xooms' longevity will be evident.
As for now we have the latest and greatest already. It is hard for us flashoholics but there's a reason so much is going on with the Asus and Acer. They needed help hence the Xoom and Galaxy ports. Its lonely at the top. By the way we have Tiamat which in my opinion is the gold standard.
I'm a flashaholic. Good thing I have my thunderbolt or I would go into withdrawls.
Xoom Xoom
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Also the other devices are incorporating Xoom or Galaxy bits and catching up. This is the problem with the device officially having the newest OS out there. The will be a day when the Xooms' longevity will be evident.
As for now we have the latest and greatest already. It is hard for us flashoholics but there's a reason so much is going on with the Asus and Acer. They needed help hence the Xoom and Galaxy ports. Its lonely at the top. By the way we have Tiamat which in my opinion is the gold standard.
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+1 Very well said.
Ok I only see one issue. Has anyone tested a usb burner? What else is there that we can't already do?
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hammer4203 said:
Ok I only see one issue. Has anyone tested a usb burner? What else is there that we can't already do?
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Fully sourced custom Roms. That's what everybody is looking for. With that you would have new features, tweaks, and abilities that a stock Rom would never give you in a million years. Tiamat is the gold standard and the other devices wish they had them on their side. The team is just amazing to have created a modified stock Rom experience that works better than default stock. And when they are able to create fully customized fully sourced custom Roms... a loss for words...
Don't feel to bad because the other devices roms are usually referenced to our stock roms.
Yep i love Hammerhead!!!
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Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Awesome! How they don't realize from the past with Android custom devs how much further android could be catapulted past the competition I just don't know.
I also don't get how people are so quick to hop on the latest updates when, even without the source being released, previous versions customers by devs blow away whatever little appetizers Google farts out to us.
Anyhow, I gotta say the Xoom has come an awful long way considering the SC hasn't even been released.
Devs are friggin awesome!
Imagine if the source was out. Xoom sales would jump tenfold.
/facepalm
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may be we should all chip in n collect some money, get a hold of the guy who hacked into psn, n later even sony's main servers, n pursue hm to hack into google n get us what we need...n knowing anything about this guy, i bet he'd even do it for free...just for kicks...
"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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It's just a general statement, not literally meaning every single person. It's just something one says, and it's not meant to be taken literally as an individual. But ok: "A lot" of people are looking forward to the fully sourced, and full customization from a true custom Rom. And generally speaking... the first thing the average root user thinks of are the custom Roms when they hear the term "source code". Ultimately that's what it would mean when the source code is released. The devs will then have the proper tools to start developing new custom Roms. They will then begin to flood the market in due time with new and unique Roms, as was the same with the OG Droid.
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Imagine if the source was out. Xoom sales would jump by ten.
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There- FTFY.
You can only milk the same cow so many times, until more cows come along this rom release is milked out.
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"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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Well I'm sure it's a valid point for you, but being a casual Android user who roots, having an Ubuntu based rom makes no sense to me. I admit I don't even know what an Ubuntu rom is for. Is it something like porting Windows OS into the tablet? If so, I doubt many users care for something like this since rom development to them is more about tweaking, optimizing, themeing and adding functions to an Android based rom. Porting other OSes is a lot more niche and caters to a smaller group of users.
So since the Honeycomb source is indefinitely locked up by Google, themed and overclocked Honeycomb is as good as we can get for now. The next best thing to wait for is Samsung to update the Galaxy Tab 10.1 to Honeycomb 3.2 and we'll probably get Touch Wiz ported over.
Has anyone else noticed that the ATRIX forums have been extremely dead lately? The development section mostly, nothing new has been coming out and things haven't been being updated in a while. are all the devastating focusing on getting cm7 fully functional or has everyone just disappeared?
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I think its most devs are working on cm7, but still satisfied with the development here
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College Football!!!!
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College Football!!!!
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Great point...GO NOLES!!!!
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No new ROMs for weeks, maybe over a month... webtop2sd project abandoned... aside from the CM7's prebetas and faux's OC, it's like everyone has moved on to brighter shores, like photon or bionic...
It's all over. Dead before it even got started. The developers have abandoned us.
Now we'll never be like one of the more "alive" forums, like the Captivate or the Inspire forums...we'll never have a bunch of the same ROM's that are just themed differently.
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It's all over. Dead before it even got started. The developers have abandoned us.
Now we'll never be like one of the more "alive" forums, like the Captivate or the Inspire forums...we'll never have a bunch of the same ROM's that are just themed differently.
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Maybe I should consider selling my atrix, and wait to see what new phones will released.... lol na I love my atrix
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Not sure what y'all are expecting ... a rom every week?
Cm7 prebeta 3 dropped only a few weeks ago. Summers over soon, schools starting ... plus NO LOCKOUT BABY.
ROMS are gonna blow up when cm7 hits rc
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Love my Atrix (first Android phone), but once the Nexus Prime is released... why wouldn't you jump ship?? "Pure" Google Android experience (no bloat, MOTOBLUR, etc), grantueed "official" CM7 support, and top rated specs to boot... sorry, but I can't wait till October. Guess I can still my ATRIX to test dev builds and help out around here too
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The Atrix has 3 major waves.
The first was unlocking the bootloader, and that opened a whole set of new ROMS and excitement.
The second is for the long awaited CM7, and what it will bring to the table.
The final major wave will be Ice Cream Sandwich. Even if ICS never becomes "official", there will be many ROMS based upon it.
Still plenty of life and goodness coming down the road...
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The days of rapid development for one device are over. Custom ROMs used to add features you couldn't get anywhere else but the gap is closing. Android is becoming a mature OS. Pick your hardware and enjoy.
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Love my Atrix (first Android phone), but once the Nexus Prime is released... why wouldn't you jump ship?? "Pure" Google Android experience (no bloat, MOTOBLUR, etc), grantueed "official" CM7 support, and top rated specs to boot... sorry, but I can't wait till October. Guess I can still my ATRIX to test dev builds and help out around here too
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i'm sorry.... but that typo really made me cringe for the English languages sake....
And i'm not sure what you mean by "guaranteed "official" CM7 support". Last i checked, the Atrix has "official" CM7 support.... as much as you can call support for a modded ROM "official".
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i'm sorry.... but that typo really made me cringe for the English languages sake....
And i'm not sure what you mean by "guaranteed "official" CM7 support". Last i checked, the Atrix has "official" CM7 support.... as much as you can call support for a modded ROM "official".
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Yeah so much for the spell check; guess I have to get some what close
And by official CM7, I mean a build specifically for the prime, its hardware, etc. form the CM7 team themselves… not to knock the Atrix Dev teams release thus far, which I believe to be a wonderful effort.
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Love my Atrix (first Android phone), but once the Nexus Prime is released... why wouldn't you jump ship?? "Pure" Google Android experience (no bloat, MOTOBLUR, etc), grantueed "official" CM7 support, and top rated specs to boot... sorry, but I can't wait till October. Guess I can still my ATRIX to test dev builds and help out around here too
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Er, because I don't want to spend 100s of dollars on something of comparable spec, and I'm v happy with Atrix battery, form factor, screen res and voice quality/speaker quality?
Alien, Aura etc. is pretty much debloated, CM7 or further revisions of above will complete the picture.
They're playing coy but CM has hit its peak. We'll get it here, but beyond this generation of phones I wouldn't expect much.
CM can't really "hit their peak" as the very base they use for their releases, is virtually a constant beta test(...android). That being said, I don't see any reason why CM can peak, when new features are and will continue to be pushed into Android daily. Honeycomb was mainly a release to make Android viable to tablets, so in the phone scene, CM skipped a gen as there are no phones(to my knowledge) that run Android 3.0. The CM team can't hit their peak until Google hits their peak.
With that being said, it's true that the forums are quiet lately, but aside from a few very difficult features, we don't really have any gripes, do we? CM is the end of any androids open development in my opinion anyway, after that...the only next best thing is...a higher version CM.
I think everyone is just itching for something to flash.
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I simply mean their relevance has already crested. CM breathed new life into old hardware and extra features onto others to build their reputation but it seems Google and OEMs gave begun integrating many of CMs differentiatiors. Eventually it just can't have the impact it used to. That doesn't make it irrelevant, just less of a prime factor in purchasing decisions.
Don't get me wrong, I've been a CM faithful since before the Droid blew up Android.. but the reasons listed above combined with the extra projects they are all getting into seem to form an obvious case for lowered expectations.
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I think everyone is just itching for something to flash.
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Lol I know I am
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There is though. CM is Android without the manufacturers mess of a launcher. Google has definitely integrated lots of CM's contributions to Android, but those can be pretty hard to see if the launcher in question is a big piece of crap..like Motoblur.
Honestly, I find it hard to see why people are upset with things in their current form. Motorola is going to be adding Webtop into all of it's higher end handsets, and webtop is pretty awesome. It's functions like that, that make it worth jumping from a bustling community like the Captivate, to the dead Atrix community, like I did. I don't miss my Captivate at all. I just miss Cyanogenmod.
I'm sure everyone has read this. Thought I would share. I've played around on an HP Touchpad and I really like WebOS from what I've saw so far.
http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/art.../www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397447,00.asp
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daoliverio said:
I'm sure everyone has read this. Thought I would share. I've played around on an HP Touchpad and I really like WebOS from what I've saw so far.
http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/art.../www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397447,00.asp
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No one likes that crappy OS.....open sourced or not, is not going to matter!
It would be nice to have it integrated into android. Webos has some cool features that would look good on android. With it being open source i see people porting things over
I think that if some really good devs get their hands on the source code they might make it what it was intended to be all along. I think that webOS never experienced its full capacity because it didn't attract the pockets of major investors, but that can change.
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I hope its ported. Just another reason to feed my addiction to flashing roms haha
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so, a guy has cobbled together a pretty pre-pre-pre-alpha monstrosity and slapped it into the evo 3d.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/9/2...r-htcs-evo-3d-a-proof-of-concept-for-the-time
i'm switching to verizon once the nexus is released, so my evo will turn into more of a toy/media device, and i think i'd really love to play around with webos on a huge evo screen.
am i alone on this one? or is anybody else out there plotting and scheming about how to shoehorn it into our previous evos?
I personally enjoy webos. If it only had the support that Android or ios has (apps wise) then I believe it can be a real competitor in the near future. Would be dope if the Evo gets a port
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Would be very interesting. There are quite a few very nice functional and visual to WebOS, be great to just get certain parts of it, I don't really want a full port(besides to play around with), but just some of its features and effects would be nice to integrate into a ROM. Def with ICS.
I personally love web os it has many great features but I'm confused when palm owned it I thought it was open source I remember hearing Ruby talk about how great that was. Why did HP close it in the first place. I mean I might be wrong so please if I am school me
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delman420 said:
I personally love web os it has many great features but I'm confused when palm owned it I thought it was open source I remember hearing Ruby talk about how great that was. Why did HP close it in the first place. I mean I might be wrong so please if I am school me
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I don't remember really. In my limited time using the touchpad (i refuse to buy one for myself since it's been dumped) I've loved it. It's really simple to use and has some cool features. I'd like to see it running on this huge EVO screen also!
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mazdarider23 said:
No one likes that crappy OS.....open sourced or not, is not going to matter!
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Wat? I'm going to venture a guess here that you've never used it. It's far from crappy. The failure was the devices it was placed on and their prices. WebOS wasn't the problem.
Seems interest has been completely lost...
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What? Not following you... Interest is alive and well...
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I'd say most of the enthusiasts are waiting for the upcoming "Daily Driver in a few weeks".
But there are plenty of developers, developing stuff!
Subscribe to the mailing list and you'll see just how active development really is, no where near dead.
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I'd say most of the enthusiasts are waiting for the upcoming "Daily Driver in a few weeks".
But there are plenty of developers, developing stuff!
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This. There isn't much use for this build with the consumer crowd. This build is more for those building apps for Ubuntu Touch
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Subscribe to the mailing list and you'll see just how active development really is, no where near dead.
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I subscribed to the mailing list and I have not had any news at all.
I kind of agree. I got my gnex just for Ubuntu touch, but in waiting for it I've found myself falling in love with android all over again. Its so nice on nexus devices. That's why I'm ordering my nexus 4 Friday. Can't honestly see me flashing Ubuntu touch on it, maybe on my gnex. Sad but true. Though I expect others will feel different.
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I'd say most of the enthusiasts are waiting for the upcoming "Daily Driver in a few weeks".
But there are plenty of developers, developing stuff!
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That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
Logseman said:
That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
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Especially when we android devs already know how hard it is getting support and sources out of some of these chip manufacturers!
But that said - we're an enterprising bunch and I think we'll see support for many devices already out there. You only have to look at the amount of ports that already have GUI up and working.
To answer the OP - as others have said - it feels dead as no one is really using it yet because it is so incomplete. There's no point us here on XDA jumping up and fixing it because Canonical are already hard at work at their end. As soon as we start seeing alpha (May), beta and RCs you'll see this OS jump to life on a lot of devices here on XDA.
It'll be interesting to see how these ports fair when they make the jump to MIR and stop using CM code though.
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That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
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This is true, I really wanted this to happen. It seemed like something fresh and new. But I kind of feel the preview was just to appease people, it feels like it will go like Ubuntu for android. Big promises, but no end result. A daily driver was meant to be out any day now but I wouldn't hold your breath. I think they have bitten off more than they can chew. Look how long its taken Mozilla to get an os up and running. I'd like to be wrong, but we will see. Great idea, great design but questionable execution.
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Be al little patient people....its still in development. The the first phones with ubuntu will come next year...but the progression behind the screen is enormous. And its not only about the phone but is about one OS on all your devices. Tv, pc, tablet and phones.
Its going to be awesome...
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liawim said:
Be al little patient people....its still in development. The the first phones with ubuntu will come next year...but the progression behind the screen is enormous. And its not only about the phone but is about one OS on all your devices. Tv, pc, tablet and phones.
Its going to be awesome...
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I don't think patients is what we're on about. The only person setting time limits is Mark Shuttleworth, its more about if it ever happens. Don't think anyone minds if it take a week, month or a year. Its the promises and then not happening that frustrates me and I'm sure others. I was excited about Ubuntu for android over a year ago, was even going to buy an atrix. Now I've gone and got a gnex and for Ubuntu touch. Then a week before its supposed realise, all of a sudden its a dev preview! The first videos and info left that info out and its running on cyanogen mod. That's not quite what we were told ether. All that aside the point being, I'm not against it intact I'd love it to happen. But in using this stock device I've found myself not really wanting to move and also expecting it not to happen. I can't help but feel the reality was more about getting people to use Ubuntu PC rather than touch. Its almost like any publicity is good publicity. Its not about time, its about truth and the truth is people are getting no feed back, where are they at, what they need, there's a whole community of developers at there disposal and there not using them. I had gone off android, Ubuntu touch has only made me love it again. I'm not trying to start an argument, its my view. Ubuntu to me just feels disorganised. Google doesn't!
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I think that Canonical made a mistake in announcing the DEVELOPER PREVIEW how they did, because it seems that many people do not know the difference between CONSUMER and DEVELOPER PREVIEW , and then come here in despair waiting for the OS.
Canonical release the dev preview to appease the us then it died down were still gonna have a long wait b4 am official release after that happens if we die down again then we're dead
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I think that Canonical made a mistake in announcing the DEVELOPER PREVIEW how they did, because it seems that many people do not know the difference between CONSUMER and DEVELOPER PREVIEW , and then come here in despair waiting for the OS.
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Yes and no. When it was enounced there was no developer tag. It was a week in before that was added, I can't help but feel that the "developer preview" was originally going to be complete but they realised they couldn't manage it, so they realised what they had as a "developer preview" it kind of feels like they messed up and tryed to cover it up. I might be way off base here, it makes little difference to me as I've already said I'll be staying on android for now. Least on my nex4, witch will be my every day phone. I might try it on my gnex if it ever emerges but I won't hold my breath. . . to be clear I'm not annoyed at it taking time, I'm just saying to everyone don't expect it soon if ever. We will see.
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jzero88 said:
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Not even close - there are already daily drivers and you can already test all the core apps on Ubuntu desktop.
Soon these will head over the the phone. Besides that you can already load your own apps onto the OS.
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Ubuntu touch is dead?, seriously?, how could you say such a thing when it's still in development... Mark Shuttleworth said it'll be ready for daily use soon so just hold tight and wait a bit.. Honestly I don't like posts like these because it makes the community lose hope in the OS when it's not even ready yet.. -.-
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Ubuntu touch is dead?, seriously?, how could you say such a thing when it's still in development... Mark Shuttleworth said it'll be ready for daily use soon so just hold tight and wait a bit.. Honestly I don't like posts like these because it makes the community lose hope in the OS when it's not even ready yet.. -.-
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+1
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darkforester67 said:
Ubuntu touch is dead?, seriously?, how could you say such a thing when it's still in development... Mark Shuttleworth said it'll be ready for daily use soon so just hold tight and wait a bit.. Honestly I don't like posts like these because it makes the community lose hope in the OS when it's not even ready yet.. -.-
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he say it will be ready for daily use for couple weeks.i Can't ****ing wait!
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Logseman said:
That was an irresponsible mistake by Mark Shuttleworth to say. Ubuntu is piggybacking on CM, how can he guarantee compatibility with all those phones?
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Isn't that what open source is recycling (or piggybacking) from other peoples work. Why rewrite what's already there I would have found it idiotic if they didn't use cm.
Next your going to say they freeload off debian.