http://phandroid.com/2011/05/10/goo...mb-because-they-wanted-to-wait-for-ice-cream/
According to this we wont be seeing any HC source until ICSW is out, so we get no custom roms until Q4?
Am I wrong? Please tell me!
o.m.g no
im feeling bad....as bad as when I first watched rebecca black
Please, someone with knowledge confirm this unsaintly act untrue!
Well Google did say they were holding back the source when HC came out. They didn't give a date or even if it would be released so tbh if they are now saying it will be released, it's an improvement on what we already knew.
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I'm not sure what I would want in a custom rom, all I want is plain android and we already have that.
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I'm not sure what I would want in a custom rom, all I want is plain android and we already have that.
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Do you understand what I mean by custom roms? lol
Do you understand what you mean by custom ROMs? If you had a custom ROM, it would no longer be plain "vanilla" Android, which is what Bauxite wants. I agree with Bauxite, I think it's likely most custom ROMs will be inferior to the stock experience in Honeycomb, at least initially. Not that I wouldn't try a few on for size.
Fortunately without access to the Honeycomb source code we still have plenty of options to customize kernels, theme our interface, and overclock with root access.
I really don't think we need any roms either.
Nothing could really be done other than Themes and Deodexing.
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Do you understand what I mean by custom roms? lol
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Of course I do, but who cares about things like theming, and adding/removing built in apps. Sure CM7-like features would be nice, but the honeycomb experience itself is about as good as it gets
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Of course I do, but who cares about things like theming, and adding/removing built in apps. Sure CM7-like features would be nice, but the honeycomb experience itself is about as good as it gets
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Hmm. I get what you're saying, I always like a vanilla OS too. However, until those hero devs of ours get a chance to play with the HC source I'm nit sure you can say this is as good as it gets.... just look at the awesome kernel work that's being done!
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Maybe what we need its not Custom rom but theme builder or something like that. If its true honeycomb will be equal to every honeycomb tablet (apart from the widgets) then there is no point in modding... i mean there was a point in doing it with a outdated phone but not with honeycomb and future ice cream
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I really don't think we need any roms either.
Nothing could really be done other than Themes and Deodexing.
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Yes. Themes. Agreed.
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http://phandroid.com/2011/05/10/goo...mb-because-they-wanted-to-wait-for-ice-cream/
According to this we wont be seeing any HC source until ICSW is out, so we get no custom roms until Q4?
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Don't hold your breath on ever seeing the HC source. They have held it back, mainly in part because once it goes AOSP they effectively loose control of its final application. For example, think of all the craplets that come out of Shenzhen taking Android and putting in on devices it was not intended to go on which resulted in a exceeding poor product offering at ridiculously low prices. Now to you and I (read the enthusiast community) we understand that these are craplets and as such do not condemn Android tablets to the depths of hell for being a craplet because it was never intended for that application. However the general populace does not think the same way. They see an "Android tablet" for $100, think awesome, buy the POS and proceed to have a horrible "Android tablet" experience at which time they proceed to tell everyone they know that Android tablets are crap and yadda yadda yadda... And this in turn shapes the general perception which makes it harder and harder for Android to gain acceptance in the tablet space. So in order to gain foothold they developed a version of Android specific for tablets and I would bet good money they never had intentions of releasing HC to AOSP. This is unfortunately the only way that they can control how this OS is used, because they know for a fact if they released it, it would only be a matter of days before you started seeing people trying to put HC on phones, which it was never intended for, or putting it on craplets which results in a significantly substandard experience. So instead you had a decision made to wait until you had convergence in the Android OS again (read ICS) at which point all devices will exist on the same OS, and you can correct the shortcuts that were taken in HC to get a product that works as well as it does given such a short development period.
Bottom line is, we may not agree with the decision, and we certainly by no means have to like the decision, but if you look at the problems objectively it makes sense.
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http://phandroid.com/2011/05/10/goo...mb-because-they-wanted-to-wait-for-ice-cream/
According to this we wont be seeing any HC source until ICSW is out, so we get no custom roms until Q4?
Am I wrong? Please tell me!
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Guys i think he means being able to run the os before it is actually realeased...i would like this as well
Stating that there's nothing (or very little) to be gained from a custom ROM is pretty absurd.
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Stating that there's nothing (or very little) to be gained from a custom ROM is pretty absurd.
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Finally, some sanity in this thread.
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I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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You got it. i'll pass that along to HTC. i'm SURE they'll listen and jump on it straightaway.
Seriously though, the ipad is difficult to beat. they did actually make a major upgrade in the new A5 processor with dual core. they also thinned it out a bit, the rest is mediocre like you said.
HTC already announced it, it's called the HTC Flyer and it doesn't look all that good. Single core running a tablet like sense on top of 2.3.
Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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Um .... Cm _is_ just AOSP...
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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You just defined what Cyanogenmod is in your own post and discredited it at the same time.
Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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I was replying to the poster who said that OEMs should be consulted by CM. I'm just saying that OEMs have to get Android running on the hardware period, not to mention develop/design their overlays, which as much as I hate, are far more encompassing than the features/tweaks CM adds. Bottom line: they got much more to worry about than mostly just cleaning up. Not trying to discredit CM, just suggesting not to downplay the bigger role OEMs have in the process.
Thank you for the laugh of the day. VERRY WELL SAID?
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I've got the answer. The hardware is so similar between the vendors now, so google should set the standard (not the crappy half assed job they did before) and do an X-Prize type contest. Make one kick butt tablet and have the best minds compete. No skins, no bloatware, just a solid device. Sure they burn a lot of bridges with their vendors, but everyone would want it, and Google comes out ahead in the long run. Truly compete against apple with an open platform. The gPhone!
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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It fills a niche. I personally have a hard time buying any of the "phone" tablets because if I'm on a computer 99% of the time I either have a IDE/Photoshop/Illustrator open. None of the current tablets will able to do what I need. But Windows 7 is not really fit for tablet - I used to have a Tablet PC running Windows 7 and you might as well just get a decent dual core Atom netbook (which I do have) because it's not worth it.
What I'm waiting for is Windows 8. It'll probably be very touch friendly in desktop mode and is suppose to have a secondary WP7/Metro-like shell which I assume will also be able to run mobile/tablet-like mini apps. Either use it like a iPad/Xoom/whatever or dock it to a keyboard and get real **** done. Best of both worlds and it'll probably work great with next gen Atoms or energy sipping multiple core ARM CPUs.
Can I just say that the guy bagging on CM7 is a douche? Can this be a "douche-bump" post?
That just happened!
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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CM is not for everyone. Saying cm is the only reason to be on these forums is retarded. Might ad well rename this site cm7-4-life.com.
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What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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That's great that you're a big fan of CM, but not everyone likes or uses their ROMs. AOSP is not for everyone, that's why I'm glad we have choices.
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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are you talking to me? Because CM is just about the only ROM I use and the reason why I even got the EVO in the first place. I think you're completely missing my point.
Someone said that OEMs (like HTC, Samsung) should get consulted by the CM team. I said its not a fair comparison because:
A. Most of the time CM depends on OEM provided drivers to get CM running. That in itself can be a hard thing to implement from scratch on a new device. Android isn't like Windows where you can buy a license and Microsoft provides full support.
B. OEM skins like Sense and Touchwiz are much bigger projects than the tweaks/functions that CM adds.
I just thought that poster was undervaluing how much the OEM has to do, and that getting consulted by the CM team is probably not as valuable to them as he thinks.
If any team should do contracting/consulting, it should be the MIUI team. Their work is incredibly impressive and covers a far larger scope than CM. At least they do a consumer/user friendly job at modifying/skinning Android - the best on Android in fact, OEM skins/overlays included.
Anyway, you took this way too personally and over blown it (why?) way beyond what it is. I appreciate and use CM but am not disillusioned or completely uninformed by the reality of consumer development.
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http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.
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http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.
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More beta BS. I'll sell you a car but we only completed the frame.
Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.
Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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LMAO!
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i dont understand what will make it "ready" if they are planning on eventually releasing it what will keep it from being ported to phones then. If its a matter of incompleteness then what's changed since Cupcake which everyone agrees was more .8 than 1.0. Releasing it to dev's will allow for bugfixes and tweaks to get merged upstream.
It will leak eventually. It always does...
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Yea I dont understand google some times. I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.
They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?
This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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As much of a ROM guy as I am, I admit this makes sense from a business stand point. Google makes $ from licensing and distribution (with regards to Android). The hacker communities do not make up said market for the most part.
The worst thing companies combat these days is negative publicity.
I owned an iPhone, two iterations, the 3G and the original. Why did my mother never purchase one, nor my sister? Simply because of how locked down they are due to MY advice. Were they ever going to buy said device due to their hackability? Hell no. But because I said it was sh**** that Apple locks their stuff down so much, they declined to buy said hardware.
Releasing the software for Google could have a lot of negative effects on a BRAND NEW operating system for a BRAND NEW market for Google. If people are throwing this on phones, you search it out on the internet, and everything is Honeycomb this sucks, and honeycomb that sucks, due to people using it on phones, most people who try to do basic research, like my mother, or sister,
will only see "THIS SUCKS".
Just my 2c, but I can see their stand point. Until they can find a way to keep it off the phones, I see this as an issue for google.
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They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.
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My understanding of that article is that Google doesn't feel its ready for phones. It's not that its not ready for tablets. They understand that they won't be able to stop people from using HC on phones, but trying to stave off the inevitable...
this HC thing looks like crap.... oh.. on my phone. In the end.. we are talking about a company here.. a company that needs to keep it's image.. and products.. (or software as you may call it).. as good as possible.
I don't think it's the best move Google could have made, but I think Google should do things in it's best interest to keep itself as a company in good standing. Long and short of it.. if things go south for google.. we'll all be unhappy. Just getting things out for the sake of allowing devs to play doesn't mean its the most sound decision for the company making it.
Yes, I know.. it's 'open source', but it is still a work-product. I think it's also entirely likely this is just a marketing ploy to say 'we told you so'.. and then it will get leaked and everything will go back to normal. But I still think people often forget that this is still a company that has to keep itself together to survive.
EDIT: So many things get written in the same time when you respond to a post! It seems as though I am joining the choir of.. this isn't so bad.
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This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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Well that hasn't stopped devs on xda porting it already - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978939
Darn you almostinsane, I was just about to post this but you beat me to it!
Its really unfortunate that Google is doing this, whatever happened to a completely open source OS? In my honest opinion I think they should release it to the public and let the various devs have at it and see what can be improved and take those improvements into consideration for the next release of Android. If the OS was only meant for tablets who is to say that x developer can port it to a handheld flawlessly? It would be a HUGE leap ahead for us and for big ol' G.
Either way, it'll happen with or without Google releasing the source as our one dev spacemoose1 has shown us with making a near perfect port to the Samsung tab of honeycomb.
Stinks money is such an issue, Google doesn't really need anymore haha.
Done with my rant now
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Another business reason for this decision: Google may not have programmed Honeycomb well.
An obvious(?) repercussion for grimy source code going public is more bashing of Honeycomb's alleged "beta-ness". The more app developers that use the ...poisonous open-source code, the more ...poisoned apps there will be.
Or, they want to curb full-blown Honeycomb from appearing on devices other than the Xoom for just a little longer.
you're right. I just hate that its true. Your sig shows you remember the G1 days when we were all just so happy about what our phone COULD do. It's gotten a lot whinnier around here since then.
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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As a ROM enthusiast; yea this sucks. Business it's understandable; but as the former it doesn't make me happy.
My NC sorely needs a aosp honeycomb, HC's tablet interface is superior to even CM7 on it.
Honestly though it's a lot of speculation here on why, but it really just sounds like an excuse (Bad one) to quiet the devs while really being a straight business decision.
How is not releasing honeycomb aosp right away not being open? Would you like all your roms without SD card support right now? Honeycomb is most likely stable enough for normal use for the average consumer and Google had to make footprint in the tablet industry before ipad2 was announced. Things were obviously rushed so i rather wait for them get everything situated. I think this unfortunate news but I'm not gonna cry foul when its something that's probably for the better. Google has proven with each iteration of android they have released source so just be patient
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Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.
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I don't understand the logic here. What alternative are you seeking? Take it back for the Galaxy 10.1? It runs the same OS. Take it back for an iPad? It runs a closed OS.
The AOSP release is delayed ... maybe. Why would you return your Xoom because of this?
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Samsung "TouchWiz" Android had been optimized for S5PC110 (Hummingbird), not because of UI. They optimized for their own processor and many of the optimization are not in AOSP branch.
CyanogenMOD has been optimizing own version of Android for all devices. AOSP is like bare minimum for devices like Nexus S / Nexus One / HTC Dream. We may have some of the Samsung optimized stuff due to Gingerbread. I wouldn't go back to AOSP because of the bare minimum. I would go for CyanogenMOD rather than AOSP because it has been optimized for all CPUs like Cortex A8/A9/ARM11.
First yayayyyyyyyyyy now to read the OP
Haha you beat isaint
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First yayayyyyyyyyyy now to read the OP
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LoL
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Isn't this something the general public already knows? Sounding kinda drunk there noobnl.... nevertheless, you are/were a great dev and deserve all my respect.
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Isn't this something the general public already knows? Sounding kinda drunk there noobnl.... nevertheless, you are/were a great dev and deserve all my respect.
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I am saying Samsung TouchWiz is not just a UI, it contain some of the most optimized version of android for Hummingbird Cpu.
So TW is not THAT bad after all?
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So TW is not THAT bad after all?
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Guess not. I always liked tw, but this makes it even better.
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I gotta look into this further, TW optimized mmmmmmmm...
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Samsung "TouchWiz" Android had been optimized for S5PC110 (Hummingbird), not because of UI. They optimized for their own processor and many of the optimization are not in AOSP branch.
CyanogenMOD has been optimizing own version of Android for all devices. AOSP is like bare minimum for devices like Nexus S / Nexus One / HTC Dream. We may have some of the Samsung optimized stuff due to Gingerbread. I wouldn't go back to AOSP because of the bare minimum. I would go for CyanogenMOD rather than AOSP because it has been optimized for all CPUs like Cortex A8/A9/ARM11.
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Quit the talking and start coding then, help the other devs get CM done and you may (and only then) vindicate yourself.
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Quit the talking and start coding then, help the other devs get CM done and you may (and only then) vindicate yourself.
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Hes gunna do whatever the hell he wants do and i doubt hes gunna do that
Well, I'm still using it. And I think my tastes overall pretty good.
I like trying new themes and apps, but Android is decent without much tinkering and TouchWiz may be around the right level. I have owned my Epic since last November and if I didn't like the UI I would have tried another by now.
That's not to say I never will, but Samsung didn't foul up at least. I'll be surprised if Gingerbread TouchWiz is noticeably different, although I am intrigued by v4.0 on the SGS 2, since it's been highly praised and the videos are interesting.
you all realize everyone who has an epic is using touchwiz right?? unless you are on CM, or MIUI or some other rare AOSP port instance... its more than just a launcher.. its the entire framework... and thats what noobnl is getting at..
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you all realize everyone who has an epic is using touchwiz right?? unless you are on CM, or MIUI or some other rare AOSP port instance... its more than just a launcher.. its the entire framework... and thats what noobnl is getting at..
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So a launcher you get from the Market which changes the theme of your phone is nothing but an overlay, or what? I can disable TW in app controls. I used the plain Android launcher after clearing the default and decided I liked TW enough to go back to it. At least, I tried it in Eclair. If that option is missing from Froyo or later versions, that's news to me.
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So a launcher you get from the Market which changes the theme of your phone is nothing but an overlay, or what? I can disable TW in app controls. I used the plain Android launcher after clearing the default and decided I liked TW enough to go back to it. At least, I tried it in Eclair. If that option is missing from Froyo or later versions, that's news to me.
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TWLauncher.apk is just the Touchwiz based launcher... your phone is still using the touchwiz framework and there isn't anything you can do to get rid of that short fo flashing MIUI CM7 or AOSP, which are all only semi functioning......
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So TW is not THAT bad after all?
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He's not referring to the UI, launcher, widgets, ect. TouchWiz is Samsung's UI, just like HTC has Sense. He speaking to the optimizations Samsung makes to Android to in order to take advantage of the proprietary hardware. You'll notice this right away if you use the Nexus S. No codec support, the camera is a step down from the Epic (at least software wise) and it doesn't pull the same frames per sec the Epic can. Samsung does work some magic with the Galaxy S phones. If you don't believe that then play with a Nexus S and you'll see many of the advantages that the Epic has over the Nexus S.......
Think of it the same way you would a computer. Most run windows but OEM's tend to optimize or customize the windows installation to take advantage of the their specific hardware.
Nice post Noobnl
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TWLauncher.apk is just the Touchwiz based launcher... your phone is still using the touchwiz framework and there isn't anything you can do to get rid of that short fo flashing MIUI CM7 or AOSP, which are all only semi functioning......
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I see. So (let me understand and correct if necessary) noobnl's original post is to let us know that we basically are going to have particularly good code for TW-sourced ROMs in Android 2.3 due to better hardware optimization?
This makes sense in light of Samsung making Google's latest flagship phone, I guess.
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I see. So (let me understand and correct if necessary) noobnl's original post is to let us know that we basically are going to have particularly good code for TW-sourced ROMs in Android 2.3 due to better hardware optimization?
This makes sense in light of Samsung making Google's latest flagship phone, I guess.
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TouchWiz is a blessing and a curse. I detest the UI and that fact that it makes development more difficult. However, Sammy's version of Android is optimized for the Galaxy S hardware, drivers, ect. Although the same could probably be said about most devices. OEM's will generally optimize their versions of any OS to take advantage of their own hardware.
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I see. So (let me understand and correct if necessary) noobnl's original post is to let us know that we basically are going to have particularly good code for TW-sourced ROMs in Android 2.3 due to better hardware optimization?
This makes sense in light of Samsung making Google's latest flagship phone, I guess.
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He's basically saying that AOSP is like when you just install Windows and its using the generic Windows GPU driver and its all wonky and just scrolling a web page is glitchy, but it works with literally every video card in existence. Touchwiz is like installing the newest Nvidia or ATI driver so that the OS knows exactly what hardware you have and how to utilize it, so the experience is as optimized as it can be. Cyanogenmod is somewhere inbetween those two points.
I thought this was common knowledge.
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Now this has been asked repeatedly (Just google touchwiz 4 ux) but have we made any progress-no. This thread is a call to ask if any people have heard about a port being assembled, i have by many devs, but there has been no known progress. If anyone knows how to port touchwiz or has started to port touchwiz, could that person please post here. If this post is mis-spoken or unnecessary please delete.
hate to say this being that I love my xoom and after having played with UX I'd love to see it on my tablet but...
we have the wrong tablet atm, dev community is pretty dead. Only one kernel now and one rom.. saddest thing EVER.
There was one kid previously religiously defending the dev community for the xoom saying, why would we need more?!
This kid is clearly, CLEARLY an idiot.
The dev team is pretty good. What holds us back is the lack of sdk. Icecream should change that. Our devs get everything needed for rooters to upgrade withing a day or so of the release, that's not bad. Either way, look at any honeycomb tablet... there aren't many roms or kernels floating around there.
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hate to say this being that I love my xoom and after having played with UX I'd love to see it on my tablet but...
we have the wrong tablet atm, dev community is pretty dead. Only one kernel now and one rom.. saddest thing EVER.
There was one kid previously religiously defending the dev community for the xoom saying, why would we need more?!
This kid is clearly, CLEARLY an idiot.
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To make you feel better, roms for other devices are sometimes based on the xoom files from what I can tell and have bugs too.
I'm saving another $600 to buy one of the quad core tabs next year so I'm fine if development doesn't kick off. I thought we would have tons of stuff to flash considering the xoom is the first honeycomb device.
idk if people would like to start a donation to buy some more devs a xoom? We did this in the mt4g forums when the phone was still new to jump start development. I would gladly donate to jump start some more development.
The official update for the 10.1 update is released.
I want touchwiz so bad, it has honeycomb enhancements but heavily integrated into the OS.
Umm... does anyone not understand that nothing like CyanogenMod will be made possible on the Xoom without the Honeycomb source code? The dev teams are not dead... and development has not stopped! But, there is just nowhere else to go from here given the situation due to the lack of the HC SDK.
Duh, there is only one Rom! Currently without the source from HC, the only possible things we can have would be a slightly modified and themed stock Rom experience. The tweaks and tools we all know and love from our phone custom Roms will not be made available until we have the source! And honestly since there is no HC source, I think that porting over something like Touchwiz to the Xoom is also impossible due to the current limitations... meaning it's a part of the OS... no source, no port.
I'm guessing that people don't seem to understand anything about the following terms:
Root, Superuser, ROM, Kernel, ClockworkMod, SDK - I highly suggest that people should really learn these basic and essential terms if they are going to be rooted on any Android device. Learn what they mean, how to make use of them properly, and what makes them special. Then maybe, just maybe... we all might be able to be on the same page. If you don't understand root, chances are that you should probably not be rooted... stick to the factory stock.
I do think that this thread was more than unnecessary. We have established the fact that without the Honeycomb source, nothing major will hit the dev scene as far as entire custom Roms with full tweaks, porting OS's, and such. We established this not long after the Xoom was launched in February. Google announced that they will be holding onto the HC source until further notice. It's been way old news for that long... wow! Why these types of threads keep poping up is puzzling... or maybe alarming... not sure which one.
diablo2224: So you are saying that only Xoom HC source code is missing?
Touchwiz UX has been ported to Iconia A500 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143368) so i don't think that missing HC source code is the problem.
EDIT: A quick search showed that it has been ported to Transformer also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz-51qUH90
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Umm... does anyone not understand that nothing like CyanogenMod will be made possible on the Xoom without the Honeycomb source code? The dev teams are not dead... and development has not stopped! But, there is just nowhere else to go from here given the situation due to the lack of the HC SDK.
Duh, there is only one Rom! Currently without the source from HC, the only possible things we can have would be a slightly modified and themed stock Rom experience. The tweaks and tools we all know and love from our phone custom Roms will not be made available until we have the source! And honestly since there is no HC source, I think that porting over something like Touchwiz to the Xoom is also impossible due to the current limitations... meaning it's a part of the OS... no source, no port.
I'm guessing that people don't seem to understand anything about the following terms:
Root, Superuser, ROM, Kernel, ClockworkMod, SDK - I highly suggest that people should really learn these basic and essential terms if they are going to be rooted on any Android device. Learn what they mean, how to make use of them properly, and what makes them special. Then maybe, just maybe... we all might be able to be on the same page. If you don't understand root, chances are that you should probably not be rooted... stick to the factory stock.
I do think that this thread was more than unnecessary. We have established the fact that without the Honeycomb source, nothing major will hit the dev scene as far as entire custom Roms with full tweaks, porting OS's, and such. We established this not long after the Xoom was launched in February. Google announced that they will be holding onto the HC source until further notice. It's been way old news for that long... wow! Why these types of threads keep poping up is puzzling... or maybe alarming... not sure which one.
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We all know that but it isn't preventing touch wiz from being ported to other honeycomb tablets without the source you say.
Nor do we have "Added PS3 support & alot USB HID devices", I would give anything for my PS3 to see the xoom.
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diablo2224: So you are saying that only Xoom HC source code is missing?
Touchwiz UX has been ported to Iconia A500 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143368) so i don't think that missing HC source code is the problem.
EDIT: A quick search showed that it has been ported to Transformer also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz-51qUH90
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And this is exactly what I'm talking about... other tabs are way better off.. I came from an Iconia thinking it would be better to be on a Xoom...
Who cares if those ROMs have some bugs.. our roms have bugs too... and all of them get resolved in time.. but when other tablets have way more going for them than the official dev tab, it makes you wonder why this dev community is dead.
The OP is saying that the Xoom is dead and that it has nothing to live for. He also is hinting that the dev teams suck and are not doing anything for the Xoom. Well, to make any progress above and beyond a stock Rom experience you MUST have the source! How can you say the dev teams are dead? They most certainly are not! Again, yes there is only one Rom for a reason... how much more can you possibly do to a stock Rom? Thus, you only need one great team in charge of that. Team Tiamat. That's all you need.
Maybe it can be possible to port TouchWiz over to the Xoom, but listen to this:
The Xoom is meant to be a Google stock experience! If you want this so badly, please go buy a Galaxy Tab and use that. I have no problem with TouchWiz. I love all Android devices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is tight, and TouchWiz is also tight. I just prefer the Xoom over the other Honeycomb tablets because the devs cook up some awesome stuff since it's the official developers tablet of choice. Plus, I enjoy a full Google experience.
But, honestly here are your options:
Get a Galaxy 10.1 and quit your complaining, or wait for the source to be released when ICS launches. Then you can wait for the dev teams to create some awesome entire complete custom Roms that will probably have custom TouchWiz Roms ported over to all ICS devices. Until then, use the Team Tiamat Rom and theme it up with the TouchWiz theme like I have done with my Xoom. It can be found here: [Theme]TouchWiz for Tiamat 2.1
I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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Agreed!
By removing them we can make way for the dev teams to cook up a wonderful list of alternatives with all the tweaks that we desire. The full Google experience is the way to go! With this you can pick and choose what type of setup you want because it is stock vanilla.
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I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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It is pretty funny, 75% of the people that have bloat don't want it. 75% of the people that can't have it want it. I love stock android. I love having a ton of free resources when i start my device. I love having no bloat.
Tiamat and his team are due much respect. After all he released 3.2 for the 3g way ahead of Moto to count just some of what he has done. All with out "source".
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Tiamat and his team are due much respect. After all he release 3.2 for the 3g way ahead of Moto to count just some of what he has done. All with out "source".
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That is impressive that they were able to do this without the HC source. I'm not sure what they did, but it was awesome! It was something that was possible without the source obviously, but some things are not possible without it. Team Tiamat is the boss. The OP must not have a brain to say that the dev teams are stupid and are not making any progress on Honeycomb and the Xoom.
Diablo has a point though as the transformer has an open source code
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Diablo has a point though as the transformer has an open source code
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Thank you!
I'm not trying to be mean or anything, it's just hard to explain certain things, and I wish that some things were easy to explain so that we all know about it. Sorry if I came off a little harsh before. I'm a nice helpful guy who tries to explain things in full detail to get the point across. Hope you understand.
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The Xoom is meant to be a Google stock experience! If you want this so badly, please go buy a Galaxy Tab and use that. I have no problem with TouchWiz. I love all Android devices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is tight, and TouchWiz is also tight. I just prefer the Xoom over the other Honeycomb tablets because the devs cook up some awesome stuff since it's the official developers tablet of choice. Plus, I enjoy a full Google experience.
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I agree but you shouldnt tell people if they want touchwiz to basically jump ship. like for me half of the fun with android is flashing new roms. like on my phone i have a new rom every few days. and sure i would love to try out touchwiz on my xoom but i still love my xoom and wouldnt switch for a galaxy tab
Can i touch your wiz
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Well not completely but compared to the other tablets Dev sections it does seem quite dormant. Just look at the Transformer or the Acer Inconia. There hasn't been much activity here besides a few mods but not any full releases.
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Well not completely but compared to the other tablets Dev sections it does seem quite dormant. Just look at the Transformer or the Acer Inconia. There hasn't been much activity here besides a few mods but not any full releases.
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Mmm... this topic has been brought up so so so many times...
It's hard to do anything when Google is keeping the Honeycomb source locked up. As far as I know the other Honeycomb tablets have been modified by the manufacturing company to alter certain parts of the Android OS and such, thus allowing for a bit more flexibility when it comes to development.
As far as the Xoom goes, it's the only official pure stock vanilla Google experience tablet, and Google is keeping it locked down without further notice. It's assumed that they will be ready to fully release the source for everything when Ice Cream Sandwich launches in the near future.
If the devs could use magic, they would. Until then... we must wait for ICS. The Xoom is Google's baby, as it was the first of it's kind to start the dawn of the Honeycomb era. When they are good and ready, the development scene for the Xoom will skyrocket in short notice. Trust me.
Also, the only other thing the developers can try besides just tweaking stuff is port the Galaxy Tab 10.1's Touch Wiz Rom to the Xoom. But it's a step back as it's only Android 3.1 while we are already on 3.2.
Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha I agree.
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Also the other devices are incorporating Xoom or Galaxy bits and catching up. This is the problem with the device officially having the newest OS out there. The will be a day when the Xooms' longevity will be evident.
As for now we have the latest and greatest already. It is hard for us flashoholics but there's a reason so much is going on with the Asus and Acer. They needed help hence the Xoom and Galaxy ports. Its lonely at the top. By the way we have Tiamat which in my opinion is the gold standard.
I'm a flashaholic. Good thing I have my thunderbolt or I would go into withdrawls.
Xoom Xoom
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Also the other devices are incorporating Xoom or Galaxy bits and catching up. This is the problem with the device officially having the newest OS out there. The will be a day when the Xooms' longevity will be evident.
As for now we have the latest and greatest already. It is hard for us flashoholics but there's a reason so much is going on with the Asus and Acer. They needed help hence the Xoom and Galaxy ports. Its lonely at the top. By the way we have Tiamat which in my opinion is the gold standard.
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+1 Very well said.
Ok I only see one issue. Has anyone tested a usb burner? What else is there that we can't already do?
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hammer4203 said:
Ok I only see one issue. Has anyone tested a usb burner? What else is there that we can't already do?
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Fully sourced custom Roms. That's what everybody is looking for. With that you would have new features, tweaks, and abilities that a stock Rom would never give you in a million years. Tiamat is the gold standard and the other devices wish they had them on their side. The team is just amazing to have created a modified stock Rom experience that works better than default stock. And when they are able to create fully customized fully sourced custom Roms... a loss for words...
Don't feel to bad because the other devices roms are usually referenced to our stock roms.
Yep i love Hammerhead!!!
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Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Awesome! How they don't realize from the past with Android custom devs how much further android could be catapulted past the competition I just don't know.
I also don't get how people are so quick to hop on the latest updates when, even without the source being released, previous versions customers by devs blow away whatever little appetizers Google farts out to us.
Anyhow, I gotta say the Xoom has come an awful long way considering the SC hasn't even been released.
Devs are friggin awesome!
Imagine if the source was out. Xoom sales would jump tenfold.
/facepalm
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may be we should all chip in n collect some money, get a hold of the guy who hacked into psn, n later even sony's main servers, n pursue hm to hack into google n get us what we need...n knowing anything about this guy, i bet he'd even do it for free...just for kicks...
"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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It's just a general statement, not literally meaning every single person. It's just something one says, and it's not meant to be taken literally as an individual. But ok: "A lot" of people are looking forward to the fully sourced, and full customization from a true custom Rom. And generally speaking... the first thing the average root user thinks of are the custom Roms when they hear the term "source code". Ultimately that's what it would mean when the source code is released. The devs will then have the proper tools to start developing new custom Roms. They will then begin to flood the market in due time with new and unique Roms, as was the same with the OG Droid.
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Imagine if the source was out. Xoom sales would jump by ten.
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There- FTFY.
You can only milk the same cow so many times, until more cows come along this rom release is milked out.
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"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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Well I'm sure it's a valid point for you, but being a casual Android user who roots, having an Ubuntu based rom makes no sense to me. I admit I don't even know what an Ubuntu rom is for. Is it something like porting Windows OS into the tablet? If so, I doubt many users care for something like this since rom development to them is more about tweaking, optimizing, themeing and adding functions to an Android based rom. Porting other OSes is a lot more niche and caters to a smaller group of users.
So since the Honeycomb source is indefinitely locked up by Google, themed and overclocked Honeycomb is as good as we can get for now. The next best thing to wait for is Samsung to update the Galaxy Tab 10.1 to Honeycomb 3.2 and we'll probably get Touch Wiz ported over.