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Development dead?

As I have started using this wonderful phone I have come to the realization that the development for this device is next to nothing. Are there any more developers as devoted to this community as I am?
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Lol, way to post this in the dev section...
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I think everybody is just taking a break and getting ready for the next update. By the way this thread should be in the general thread.
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Its a question to the developers not the general public
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..... are you kidding me right now?..
how many roms do i pump out for this device? how many kernels does mathkid and r_data push for this device? ect ect...
you wanna see a dead device go look at an lg optimus or somethin

evol4g said:
..... are you kidding me right now?..
how many roms do i pump out for this device? how many kernels does mathkid and r_data push for this device? ect ect...
you wanna see a dead device go look at an lg optimus or somethin
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there are a few developers and belive me i know a dead device i developed for the zte warp untill the androidforums.com mods told me there was no use move on.... the diference is there is no "community development" when multiple people work together to build the best rom possible and there id no themeing either which is a substancial part of any development community. i respect you evol4g otherwise i wouldnt have asked you to my team you are doing a great job keep it going the point of this post was to motivate some of the other developers that have been dormant since jellybean came out you all know that they are out there.

Mostly because people are waiting for 4.2. A lot of the current ROMs are similar and very stable so no need to really make new ROMs unless its say Touchwiz, Sense, or any other custom Android firmware. Wait until 4.2 and devs will probably start making more ROMs.

Incorrect thread is incorrect.
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I will preface my comment by saying i really do appreciate all of the work still being done here. But, let's not kid ourselves. Compared to a year ago, or even 6 months ago, the development has slowed down substantially. I wouldn't say its dead, however this device is showing its age. There are new and better devices that a lot of the people that used to frequent this forum. have moved on to.
Again I do appreciate all of the work still happening in here. This is by far the best supported device I have owned!
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i have to agree with you. but i want to pick it back up this device has potential you cant even imagine

After a year and a half I don't think there's much potential a dev hasn't thought of for this device. You don't see a lot of rom development much after the 2 year mark. Mainly because the devs upgrade to a new phone. I'm just grateful for the work the devs are currently doing!
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well im stuck on this phone for a while so you guys that are in the same situation ill keep working with you guys

It will pick back up when el goog releases 4.2 source. I don't think nexus s will "officially" get 5.0. I do think that a few devs will build it for this device regardless. I might even still be here for that, I haven't decided if I'm going to get a nexus 4 yet. The fact that there is potential for glass to break on both sides of the phone doesn't excite me...
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*looks around*
Nope. No development in this thread, that is in the development section.
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Highway 55 said:
I will preface my comment by saying i really do appreciate all of the work still being done here. But, let's not kid ourselves. Compared to a year ago, or even 6 months ago, the development has slowed down substantially. I wouldn't say its dead, however this device is showing its age. There are new and better devices that a lot of the people that used to frequent this forum. have moved on to.
Again I do appreciate all of the work still happening in here. This is by far the best supported device I have owned!
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Good points and when development does eventually grind to a halt for this device, none of us can really get upset about that. It seems to me for the age of this device, development work has far outlived many other phones.
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For a device of this age, with new devices out that trump it... to see any ROMs getting updated is amazing. Take a look at the HTC Vivid for a community that's dead!

Highway 55 said:
It will pick back up when el goog releases 4.2 source. I don't think nexus s will "officially" get 5.0. I do think that a few devs will build it for this device regardless. I might even still be here for that, I haven't decided if I'm going to get a nexus 4 yet. The fact that there is potential for glass to break on both sides of the phone doesn't excite me...
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No LTE is pretty upsetting as well.

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No LTE is pretty upsetting as well.
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For a new phone, yes. And from what I've been hearing, the battery life isn't even that great, considering the lack of LTE...
I'm a "new" Nexus S owner (bought one used for $120)... and I'm glad I did. It's a solid phone! Now only if I could figure out how to program peak and off-peak email syncing...

I think we'll have the option to have community aosp 5. It will be an option. Just liked the other nexus phones that stopped getting otas but had the option of a built one.
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Maybe we should all learn how to develop ROMs. That go's for all non developers in this community, including me. If there was any guides on how to build really good ROMs I think the nexus community will be more understanding of how it is to be a developer and evolve the community.
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Lack of rom diversity.

Is it just me, or is there a lack of diversity when it comes to ROMs for the n4? I have been using the nexus lineup since the nexus s, and it seemed back then, and with the galaxy nexus, there was more variety. As in sense ROMs or xperia ROMs, miui etc... With the n4 its miui or aosp variants like AOKP or cm10.
I was a flashoholic for sure back then but now it rarely seems like its worth the effort to try new ROMs out. I typically find one that is stable, and I stick to that for weeks or perhaps a couple of months. There is the odd new feature added to these new ROMs that's interesting, but nothing ever drasticly different.
Don't get me wrong, I love the ability to dump some lines of code in and have an LTE device, or benchmark near what the new s4 puts down, I do like the phone, but why no ports?? Even now there are 4.2.2 xperia ROMs on devices out there, why no n4 love? I have been waiting forever for an alternative lock screen (bb10 or lg's) that I don't think will ever come. Just find it weird.
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many of the developers love the pure android side of it in the first place, thats why they are here. and ports just arent the same, and dont run as well as a native rom. if you want a port, see what you could do to build one, id try it if you put one out

I have thought about trying to port. I don't believe I have the skills to get this done, nor the time to gain said skills. I just wonder, is this perhaps due to the fact that this is an lg device, and the others were Samsung? I would think not, but I don't know enough to say for sure.
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j_mullet said:
I have thought about trying to port. I don't believe I have the skills to get this done, nor the time to gain said skills. I just wonder, is this perhaps due to the fact that this is an lg device, and the others were Samsung? I would think not, but I don't know enough to say for sure.
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that does make things harder. writing new drivers probably wouldnt be worth it, among other things. that is, unless the developer really wanted that port

When I was on my GNex, I don't remember any Sense/TouchWiz/Blur ROMs, at least not functional.
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You bought a nexus 4, but didn't want AOSP?
If you want a different lock screen, there's apps for that.
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None of the ports would ever get into a useable state or be a fully functional daily driver.
It's easier to have a samsung/htc/whatever and go cyanogenmod when you want the closest-to-stock feel, and you'd also have variations of stock roms (sense, tw..).
I don't think the situation was different in the galaxy nexus forum than it is now here, but i do remember that every once in a while threads about how "all roms are the same" would pop up.
And a last point, i don't get this flashing habbit. There's nothing wrong in sticking to 1 rom for a long time, it only means it's stable and it has all the features you actually use/need. *It's a phone, not a toy, if you're bored during your days maybe it's time to find a hobby or maybe start dating or smth. , or just get another non nexus phone and use it to satisfy your flashoholic needs with buggy ports.
*not being rude..
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No Diversity?
I believe that Diversity starts here.
PIE? Halo? Just a couple off the top of my head.
I would rather have stable and new innovations rather then buggy and every option CM can add thrown at me. Hence why I own a Nexus.

Don't forget Ubuntu Phone, that's pretty far from an AOSP ROM. Most other phones besides Galaxy Nexus don't even have a usable port of this.

Nothing to see here... Just another lazy window shopping end-user with very little knowledge on how developing works trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Human beings can never be satisfied.
(Tendency of human beings)
Exynos S4 users are crying for AOSP based ROM and here nexus 4 users are crying for some OEM based ROM.
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Akhil said:
Human beings can never be satisfied.
(Tendency of human beings)
Exynos S4 users are crying for AOSP based ROM and here nexus 4 users are crying for some OEM based ROM.
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It happens.
On Moto forums people cry for sense ROM. On HTC forums people cry for touch wiz. On Samsung forums people cry for MotoBlur.
(This may or may not be real but when I was in the moto section before there were so many threads asking for a Sense port)
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I would love a perfectly functioning sense rom for the nexus 4 but I highly doubt that will ever happen. Then again the reason I bought this phone was not to have manufacturer and carrier restrictions like the other ones do.
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ghostrid3r said:
Nothing to see here... Just another lazy window shopping end-user with very little knowledge on how developing works trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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As a former Nexus S 4G and GNex owner, I agree with him. I don't flash roms anymore because I'm bored with them. I picked up another Nexus phone because I know from experience that Nexus phones push the limits of android, and I just don't feel that about the N4. I'm very thankful for all the devs that are out there, but most of the ROMs coming out for the N4 are large group roms (PA, CM10.1, AOKP) and are not made specifically for our device. ROMs that are made specifically for our device lack diversity.
With the HTC Evo 4G I was trying every ROM out there, and when ICS was released I was on the cutting edge with it, and upgraded to the NS4G because of the way it handled ICS. I then switched all over the place looking for more speed and stability, eager to try out every new feature. Then came the GNex, with Jelly Bean first being released, it was again an adventure of trying new things and having an active development community building for it.
The Nexus 4...I don't know. Other than aesthetics I don't think it's as good of a phone for me as the GNex was. The same core of ROMs run on both phones, but the Galaxy Nexus had a lot more storage.
I still like my phone, but I almost feel like I lost a hobby.
In response to the "get a hobby / start dating" comment. I'm married, work a ton, and have a few hobbies, but I still liked tinkering with my phone during my free evenings.

Yeah, where's all the 13 y/o developers (jk) who used to use the kitchen to make cute roms with custom everything (fonts wallpapers bootanimations dialer you name it) and really stand behind the ROM . As much as other big respectable devs who build from source like to ridicule them, I actually really miss them.
I see illusion ROM kinda doing it right now for the nexus 4 and love it. hopefully more come for us...

j_mullet said:
Is it just me, or is there a lack of diversity when it comes to ROMs for the n4? I have been using the nexus lineup since the nexus s, and it seemed back then, and with the galaxy nexus, there was more variety. As in sense ROMs or xperia ROMs, miui etc... With the n4 its miui or aosp variants like AOKP or cm10.
I was a flashoholic for sure back then but now it rarely seems like its worth the effort to try new ROMs out. I typically find one that is stable, and I stick to that for weeks or perhaps a couple of months. There is the odd new feature added to these new ROMs that's interesting, but nothing ever drasticly different.
Don't get me wrong, I love the ability to dump some lines of code in and have an LTE device, or benchmark near what the new s4 puts down, I do like the phone, but why no ports?? Even now there are 4.2.2 xperia ROMs on devices out there, why no n4 love? I have been waiting forever for an alternative lock screen (bb10 or lg's) that I don't think will ever come. Just find it weird.
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you have a point....but stock android with optimization is what most people download the roms for and get nexus 4 in first place (for many ppl)

thunder2132 said:
As a former Nexus S 4G and GNex owner, I agree with him. I don't flash roms anymore because I'm bored with them. I picked up another Nexus phone because I know from experience that Nexus phones push the limits of android, and I just don't feel that about the N4. I'm very thankful for all the devs that are out there, but most of the ROMs coming out for the N4 are large group roms (PA, CM10.1, AOKP) and are not made specifically for our device. ROMs that are made specifically for our device lack diversity.
With the HTC Evo 4G I was trying every ROM out there, and when ICS was released I was on the cutting edge with it, and upgraded to the NS4G because of the way it handled ICS. I then switched all over the place looking for more speed and stability, eager to try out every new feature. Then came the GNex, with Jelly Bean first being released, it was again an adventure of trying new things and having an active development community building for it.
The Nexus 4...I don't know. Other than aesthetics I don't think it's as good of a phone for me as the GNex was. The same core of ROMs run on both phones, but the Galaxy Nexus had a lot more storage.
I still like my phone, but I almost feel like I lost a hobby.
In response to the "get a hobby / start dating" comment. I'm married, work a ton, and have a few hobbies, but I still liked tinkering with my phone during my free evenings.
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Well you said it, galaxy nexus had jelly bean. There were no big updates during the era of the nexus 4, but give it a bit of time till KLP (or whatever it's gonna be called) arrives, none of those buggy touchwiz or sense roms will interest you. Oh and it's gonna be exclusive to a few devices (nexus line and GE phones)
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I'd rather have developers pushing the boundaries of AOSP (so everyone can enjoy them) than investing time in a proprietary and in the end, lackluster result compared to the stock experience.
Unless the device is a direct relative, you won't see a good port of any OEM firmware.
I believe stock has a great level of quality and that can be seen on the polls, most people using pure stock.
Also we have great Roms that build upon AOSP and our device is first party supported (see PA). With features like HALO, privacy controls and others, they are delivering great improvements across all devices.
In the end, if you want the best AOSP experience, get a Nexus.
If you want the best Touchwiz experience, get S4.
If you want the best Sense experience, get One.
Etc.
If you really need a OEM overlay, I guess you have the wrong device, friend.
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I just installed PA with HALO to try to prove my thoughts wrong, and there's really no way to get rid of HALO? It's annoying and intrusive, I absolutely hate it, and it just sits there. I went to hide it, and it still just sits on the edge of my screen. Gah! It makes me claustrophobic. I realize that this isn't a popular opinion as everybody raves about HALO, but I can't stand it.

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I just installed PA with HALO to try to prove my thoughts wrong, and there's really no way to get rid of HALO? It's annoying and intrusive, I absolutely hate it, and it just sits there. I went to hide it, and it still just sits on the edge of my screen. Gah! It makes me claustrophobic. I realize that this isn't a popular opinion as everybody raves about HALO, but I can't stand it.
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Same here, I couldn't stand it for more than 5 minutes when I tried it. I even tried to like the whole pie craze, but after 2 days I got sick of swiping to use the navigation buttons, it just felt like extra work. I mean don't get me wrong the PA team are absolute geniuses at what they do, but it just wasn't for me.
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The lack of development saddens me

Why? Is it because the phone is unpopular with the dev community, or because it's hard to build for this phone? There isn't even any UNofficial CyanogenMod being made.
This is why I love the Nexus line of devices.. so much development even before the product gets released. The lack of Moto X development is making me iffy about purchasing one

I had actually just assumed this would have had a ton of ROMs by now until I saw your thread pop up. I have to say visiting the dev section I'm shocked. It definitely crosses an X off my list as I was leaning G2 or One anyway.

agreed im trying to sell my x for a Nexus 5
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I feel ya. Got roped into joining Verizon and got the most Nexus like modern phone available (the X). At least the stock ROM is great. Once things slow down at my day job I'll see what I can do to help the Moto X Dev community. Seems that with Verizon I'll need to root and unlock just to get the normal updates other carriers get (without waiting sometime between 6 months and hell freezing over)
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Aokp is ramping up for a release, they have already released a few betas... No sprint though, only Verizon and T-Mobile and att
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DonDizzurp said:
Why? Is it because the phone is unpopular with the dev community, or because it's hard to build for this phone? There isn't even any UNofficial CyanogenMod being made.
This is why I love the Nexus line of devices.. so much development even before the product gets released. The lack of Moto X development is making me iffy about purchasing one
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Development takes time the device is still new. It won't have nearly as much as the nexus line bit people are working on it.

shane1 said:
Development takes time the device is still new. It won't have nearly as much as the nexus line bit people are working on it.
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I find it funny how people "demand" that there be development. I'd imagine that the phone is hard and somewhat unknown to work on with the X8 chipset....Time. all good things come with time. even if they dont all this phone needs is root and xposed.

DonDizzurp said:
Why? Is it because the phone is unpopular with the dev community, or because it's hard to build for this phone? There isn't even any UNofficial CyanogenMod being made.
This is why I love the Nexus line of devices.. so much development even before the product gets released. The lack of Moto X development is making me iffy about purchasing one
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unofficial releases were launched before most people even got dev editions fyi. Further,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2481048
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484762
http://androidfannetwork.com/2013/1...-now-available-gsm-unlocked-bootloaders-only/
and I'm sure a simple google search would produce plenty of things you might want to try. But having as much dev as we have already had is pretty good to men considering the type of phone, how new it is, and how late all of the software and builds got released.
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I find it funny how people "demand" that there be development. I'd imagine that the phone is hard and somewhat unknown to work on with the X8 chipset....Time. all good things come with time. even if they dont all this phone needs is root and xposed.
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agreed completely. Why would you expect a brand new phone with brand new chipset would magically get great roms. people have to learn what is going on just how the OP is learning that things come with time.

not like i miss the dev on this phone, i mean it's pretty much aosp
what else were you expecting?
most roms out there are aosp based

RorixRebel said:
not like i miss the dev on this phone, i mean it's pretty much aosp
what else were you expecting?
most roms out there are aosp based
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Yea I figure as long as we have root, the stock ROM should be good enough with Motorola's tweaks.

I've read a thread similar to this on all of my phones from the OG galaxy S (captivate). I would say give it some time, heck the dev edition only came out a few weeks ago.

The fact that its impossible to unlock the bootloader on the major carriers is another bottleneck as well. If/when theres a bootloader unlock, the development will come.

Are roms even necessary though? I've always been a terrible crack flasher, but this rom with xposed and gravity box it's pretty much cyanogen. I'm super happy with stock for the first time ever
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matt99017d said:
I find it funny how people "demand" that there be development. I'd imagine that the phone is hard and somewhat unknown to work on with the X8 chipset....Time. all good things come with time. even if they dont all this phone needs is root and xposed.
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jayboyyyy said:
unofficial releases were launched before most people even got dev editions fyi. Further,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2481048
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484762
http://androidfannetwork.com/2013/1...-now-available-gsm-unlocked-bootloaders-only/
and I'm sure a simple google search would produce plenty of things you might want to try. But having as much dev as we have already had is pretty good to men considering the type of phone, how new it is, and how late all of the software and builds got released.
agreed completely. Why would you expect a brand new phone with brand new chipset would magically get great roms. people have to learn what is going on just how the OP is learning that things come with time.
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The chipset is hardly anything new.. "X8" is just a marketing term.
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I enjoy not flashing roms all the time. I can finally personalize this phone and keep it that way. The only thing I miss is the cm themes.
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joshnichols189 said:
The chipset is hardly anything new.. "X8" is just a marketing term.
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oh so people have made roms for other phones with similar chipsets? I didn't know other similar phones existed. Learn something new everyday. Wonder why dev's didn't just create all the things the moto x can do themselves if those phones already had the ability...

gamingforfact said:
I enjoy not flashing roms all the time. I can finally personalize this phone and keep it that way. The only thing I miss is the cm themes.
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Check out the xposed theme engine
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jayboyyyy said:
oh so people have made roms for other phones with similar chipsets? I didn't know other similar phones existed. Learn something new everyday. Wonder why dev's didn't just create all the things the moto x can do themselves if those phones already had the ability...
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The Moto X uses a Qualcomm S4 Pro SoC. It was never anything special. Motorola just markets the additional processors as a whole to make the concept easier to understand. Development would be similar to any other new phone.
Porting popular ROMs while retaining the functionality of Active Notifications and Touchless Control may/may not be whole different ball game though.

The X is impressive for a standard carrier device, but nothing will beat a Nexus. I would say The X is, by far, the closest to stock you'll find (again, outside a nexus).
The Moto bloat is slipped in almost unnoticeably and the junk apps are easy to deal with (I actually find some of the 'bloat' well done, such as moto assist - though I still prefer tasker). Happiest off the shelf device I've had since the ogDroid, but hoping to get an N5 for real Dev stuff.

MajorTankz said:
The Moto X uses a Qualcomm S4 Pro SoC. It was never anything special. Motorola just markets the additional processors as a whole to make the concept easier to understand. Development would be similar to any other new phone.
Porting popular ROMs while retaining the functionality of Active Notifications and Touchless Control may/may not be whole different ball game though.
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They call it an S4 pro but its really a dual core SnapDragon 600. Its the the same CPU cores just 2 instead of 4 and still has the same quad core GPU.
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Where's the kernel development? (Am I missing something?)

Thinking about picking up a g2 today from vzw and I'm scouring the forums looking for any custom kernels and I'm finding nothing. Coming from a gnex, i have reservations due to lack of apparent Dev support for the g2 but the phone is a beast... What to do?
I've read about all the gripes and "issues," I've looked through the vzw ROM threads and it seems to me that most of the lag and glitches being reported could be remedied with kernel optimizations.
Please reassure me that this device isn't DOA and is worth the switch.
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BOY_ said:
Thinking about picking up a g2 today from vzw and I'm scouring the forums looking for any custom kernels and I'm finding nothing. Coming from a gnex, i have reservations due to lack of apparent Dev support for the g2 but the phone is a beast... What to do?
I've read about all the gripes and "issues," I've looked through the vzw ROM threads and it seems to me that most of the lag and glitches being reported could be remedied with kernel optimizations.
Please reassure me that this device isn't DOA and is worth the switch.
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I've got exactly the same reservations (GNex user as well). My wife has G2 so I thought I'd get Nexus for myself but I want G2 even more now. I think I'll wait a bit longer and we'll see.
It would be good to hear some reassurance though.

rokfor2000 said:
I've got exactly the same reservations (GNex user as well). My wife has G2 so I thought I'd get Nexus for myself but I want G2 even more now. I think I'll wait a bit longer and we'll see.
It would be good to hear some reassurance though.
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The current crop of ROMs seems pretty promising and it's slated for kit kat so I'm baffled why I can't find a single kernel on any of the forums. Granted, the kernels that come with Vanir, CM, PA, etc are all pretty stout, I just like options .

There is not much kernel delevelopment going on right now allthough some ROMs here have kernel tweaks.
So far I am not missing a custom kernel though.

Gnarfsan said:
There is not much kernel delevelopment going on right now allthough some ROMs here have kernel tweaks.
So far I am not missing a custom kernel though.
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It's not a must but it gives you an idea about community the phone has. Franco started his kernel thing going for Nexus 5 befor he even got the phone. It's been ages since I had non-Nexus phone. I like to tinker with my phone so I'd like to have the options available.

Here's one. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472318

If I'm not mistaken, kernel source hasn't even been released yet
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garywojdan81 said:
If I'm not mistaken, kernel source hasn't even been released yet
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It has been out for some time now, at least for the Verizon version. Not sure about the other models, though I'd be surprised if they haven't also been released.
LG's open source distribution page

Well I took the plunge. This phone is bloated but so much more phone than the old gnex! Now to play with it stock for a day or two and then root.
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antinorm said:
It has been out for some time now, at least for the Verizon version. Not sure about the other models, though I'd be surprised if they haven't also been released.
LG's open source distribution page
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I stand corrected, thanks for the info. I wonder if the immanance of kitkat is delaying things now?
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garywojdan81 said:
I stand corrected, thanks for the info. I wonder if the immanance of kitkat is delaying things now?
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My thoughts exactly
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rokfor2000 said:
It's not a must but it gives you an idea about community the phone has. Franco started his kernel thing going for Nexus 5 befor he even got the phone. It's been ages since I had non-Nexus phone. I like to tinker with my phone so I'd like to have the options available.
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I agree completely. There is nowhere near as big of a dev community as there was for my Note II. Luckily for me there are a few very good ROMs for my international G2, and there is some real gold in them. But the longevity outlook is not as good as it would be with a larger community.
If you want a large community, buy Nexus or Samsung. But I do not regret buying this phone.

Gnarfsan said:
If you want a large community, buy Nexus or Samsung. But I do not regret buying this phone.
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For me, the n5 is not an option (Verizon) so i basically had my,choice of the s4, note2 &3, htc one, motox, and droid maxx. This was a no brainer decision from an out of the box perspective.
As for the dev community, I'm currently entering crack flasher rehab but will likely keep the phone stock (or mostly stock) for now while we wait for kit kat.
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For me, the n5 is not an option (Verizon) so i basically had my,choice of the s4, note2 &3, htc one, motox, and droid maxx. This was a no brainer decision from an out of the box perspective.
As for the dev community, I'm currently entering crack flasher rehab but will likely keep the phone stock (or mostly stock) for now while we wait for kit kat.
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I was worried when I bought this phone, coming from a line of Samsung phones ending with the Note 2. But now I really prefer LG's UI over TouchWiz. And it's nice to have a phone that fits in your hand. But that is all a matter of oppinion and hand size.

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Thinking about picking up a g2 today from vzw and I'm scouring the forums looking for any custom kernels and I'm finding nothing. Coming from a gnex, i have reservations due to lack of apparent Dev support for the g2 but the phone is a beast... What to do?
I've read about all the gripes and "issues," I've looked through the vzw ROM threads and it seems to me that most of the lag and glitches being reported could be remedied with kernel optimizations.
Please reassure me that this device isn't DOA and is worth the switch.
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You don't need a custom kernel right now with the G2; the phone is that good! The gnex has to have dev support because it sucks! That's not the case here. I haven't experienced any of these reported lags or glitches that users are reporting. The only draw back to the G2 is you have to stay on 4.2.2 until LG updates it to 4.3, but imo there really isn't anything special in 4.3 that makes it that pertinent to move to 4.3. I had reservations about the lack of dev support also (and still do to a certain extent), but then I thought about everything the phone has and came to the conclusion that I really didn't need it. If that crappy gnex could get you to this point, I have no doubt that the G2 will do what you need it to and get you to your next device. Of course, it would be nice to see some custom roms and/or customization options for the G2, but imo it's not a deal breaker right now...

Came from the gnex as well, so I understand your concern. My hope is that once the n5 and kit kat feeding frenzy is over we will more devs on board. I even tried to email some kernel devs, but didnt get a response. This phone is just too good to be over looked.

Why Is This Device Has Low Developing Activity

I've been watching this space for last few days, especially to know how much active development this device would get. There is no doubt that this is one of the best device you can buy right now in the Android market. But it still has less active development than a high end device would see after a month of its release. And being a cousin to Nexus 5, I thought this device will see the added advantage of much more development but what ever is happening is absolutely opposite to it. The development activity is so less, compared to what previous flagships HTC One, S4 had after one month of their respective release, there isn't a need to create separate forums for each major (carrier) version of the device.
Is it because locked bootloaders? or something else?.

blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer

I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.

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blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer
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Yes, I agree that LG G2 is not as quite as popular as it should beconfused but an average user doesn't hang out in XDA looking for different roms. Even Sony's one or two years old phones are getting KitKat where as this phone has not even having more ROMS to choose from. This is supposed to be the flagship & highest speced device along with Galaxy Note 3. And as I said, being a distant cousin device of Nexus 5, I thought many ROMs from different beloved developers will be available for this device but it is not the case. Many people like me choose Android platform over other(Windows Phone 8 & IOS) because of the availability of different ROMs to choose from. But seeing that is not the case, even those people back off from buying this device.

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I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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Its not only AOSP ROMs but also stock based ROMs too

Patience guys, the ROM's are coming.
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If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.

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If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.
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With due respect, before giving those heroic comments & suggestions, you should have understand what I'm trying to do with this thread, which is to get to know the reasons for not seeing as much development as we usually see with flagship phones(I don't know where you get the notion that I was complaining). I never tried or try to complain or demand anything, heck who the hell I'm to even think of those lines. I clearly was asking for the reasons in the OP(than complaining about any thing) that is it because of locked bootloaders or some other reasons. And every flagship has different variants, its not this phone alone.
But one thing I'm sure about is, any one who visits or comes frequently to this wonderful forum, he/she buys the device which is supported by our beloved developers, they don't care about the manufacturers supporting them in software update.

The "why no development for this device" threads are getting tiresome no matter how an OP tries to disguise it.
If you want a device with a lot a ROM's, I suggest you get a Nexus or a Galaxy S phone and not an LG, Plain and simple.

A lot of xda users know that LG suck at providing updates to the latest version of Android. Samsung and HTC used to be the same way but they have really improved. Besides when it comes to GSM devs, I think most preferred going with the cheaper option the Nexus 5 offers. Also, quite a few people don't really like the rear button placement. Most of us have gotten used to it but try convincing someone who has yet to try the device.

LG is in Samsung's shadow
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I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.

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I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.
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I was lucky enough to get a nexus 5 very early after the launch...i played around with it the day i got then packed it up and sent it back the next day..bought a G2 the next day and am glad i did
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low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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muhamet said:
low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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Def low development for D803.
sent from my S4, Note 3 or G2

Theres a bounty in general to get all variants official AOKP. You want more development then donate.

force70 said:
Def low development for D803.
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force70 said:
Def low development for D803.
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Low development? There's no development.

Is pretty simple... Most devs knows that LG is not dev friendly and most devs has gone through this with LG before.

This particular lg is very dev friendly
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