Is it just me, or is there a lack of diversity when it comes to ROMs for the n4? I have been using the nexus lineup since the nexus s, and it seemed back then, and with the galaxy nexus, there was more variety. As in sense ROMs or xperia ROMs, miui etc... With the n4 its miui or aosp variants like AOKP or cm10.
I was a flashoholic for sure back then but now it rarely seems like its worth the effort to try new ROMs out. I typically find one that is stable, and I stick to that for weeks or perhaps a couple of months. There is the odd new feature added to these new ROMs that's interesting, but nothing ever drasticly different.
Don't get me wrong, I love the ability to dump some lines of code in and have an LTE device, or benchmark near what the new s4 puts down, I do like the phone, but why no ports?? Even now there are 4.2.2 xperia ROMs on devices out there, why no n4 love? I have been waiting forever for an alternative lock screen (bb10 or lg's) that I don't think will ever come. Just find it weird.
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many of the developers love the pure android side of it in the first place, thats why they are here. and ports just arent the same, and dont run as well as a native rom. if you want a port, see what you could do to build one, id try it if you put one out
I have thought about trying to port. I don't believe I have the skills to get this done, nor the time to gain said skills. I just wonder, is this perhaps due to the fact that this is an lg device, and the others were Samsung? I would think not, but I don't know enough to say for sure.
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j_mullet said:
I have thought about trying to port. I don't believe I have the skills to get this done, nor the time to gain said skills. I just wonder, is this perhaps due to the fact that this is an lg device, and the others were Samsung? I would think not, but I don't know enough to say for sure.
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that does make things harder. writing new drivers probably wouldnt be worth it, among other things. that is, unless the developer really wanted that port
When I was on my GNex, I don't remember any Sense/TouchWiz/Blur ROMs, at least not functional.
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You bought a nexus 4, but didn't want AOSP?
If you want a different lock screen, there's apps for that.
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None of the ports would ever get into a useable state or be a fully functional daily driver.
It's easier to have a samsung/htc/whatever and go cyanogenmod when you want the closest-to-stock feel, and you'd also have variations of stock roms (sense, tw..).
I don't think the situation was different in the galaxy nexus forum than it is now here, but i do remember that every once in a while threads about how "all roms are the same" would pop up.
And a last point, i don't get this flashing habbit. There's nothing wrong in sticking to 1 rom for a long time, it only means it's stable and it has all the features you actually use/need. *It's a phone, not a toy, if you're bored during your days maybe it's time to find a hobby or maybe start dating or smth. , or just get another non nexus phone and use it to satisfy your flashoholic needs with buggy ports.
*not being rude..
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No Diversity?
I believe that Diversity starts here.
PIE? Halo? Just a couple off the top of my head.
I would rather have stable and new innovations rather then buggy and every option CM can add thrown at me. Hence why I own a Nexus.
Don't forget Ubuntu Phone, that's pretty far from an AOSP ROM. Most other phones besides Galaxy Nexus don't even have a usable port of this.
Nothing to see here... Just another lazy window shopping end-user with very little knowledge on how developing works trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Human beings can never be satisfied.
(Tendency of human beings)
Exynos S4 users are crying for AOSP based ROM and here nexus 4 users are crying for some OEM based ROM.
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Human beings can never be satisfied.
(Tendency of human beings)
Exynos S4 users are crying for AOSP based ROM and here nexus 4 users are crying for some OEM based ROM.
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It happens.
On Moto forums people cry for sense ROM. On HTC forums people cry for touch wiz. On Samsung forums people cry for MotoBlur.
(This may or may not be real but when I was in the moto section before there were so many threads asking for a Sense port)
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I would love a perfectly functioning sense rom for the nexus 4 but I highly doubt that will ever happen. Then again the reason I bought this phone was not to have manufacturer and carrier restrictions like the other ones do.
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Nothing to see here... Just another lazy window shopping end-user with very little knowledge on how developing works trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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As a former Nexus S 4G and GNex owner, I agree with him. I don't flash roms anymore because I'm bored with them. I picked up another Nexus phone because I know from experience that Nexus phones push the limits of android, and I just don't feel that about the N4. I'm very thankful for all the devs that are out there, but most of the ROMs coming out for the N4 are large group roms (PA, CM10.1, AOKP) and are not made specifically for our device. ROMs that are made specifically for our device lack diversity.
With the HTC Evo 4G I was trying every ROM out there, and when ICS was released I was on the cutting edge with it, and upgraded to the NS4G because of the way it handled ICS. I then switched all over the place looking for more speed and stability, eager to try out every new feature. Then came the GNex, with Jelly Bean first being released, it was again an adventure of trying new things and having an active development community building for it.
The Nexus 4...I don't know. Other than aesthetics I don't think it's as good of a phone for me as the GNex was. The same core of ROMs run on both phones, but the Galaxy Nexus had a lot more storage.
I still like my phone, but I almost feel like I lost a hobby.
In response to the "get a hobby / start dating" comment. I'm married, work a ton, and have a few hobbies, but I still liked tinkering with my phone during my free evenings.
Yeah, where's all the 13 y/o developers (jk) who used to use the kitchen to make cute roms with custom everything (fonts wallpapers bootanimations dialer you name it) and really stand behind the ROM . As much as other big respectable devs who build from source like to ridicule them, I actually really miss them.
I see illusion ROM kinda doing it right now for the nexus 4 and love it. hopefully more come for us...
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Is it just me, or is there a lack of diversity when it comes to ROMs for the n4? I have been using the nexus lineup since the nexus s, and it seemed back then, and with the galaxy nexus, there was more variety. As in sense ROMs or xperia ROMs, miui etc... With the n4 its miui or aosp variants like AOKP or cm10.
I was a flashoholic for sure back then but now it rarely seems like its worth the effort to try new ROMs out. I typically find one that is stable, and I stick to that for weeks or perhaps a couple of months. There is the odd new feature added to these new ROMs that's interesting, but nothing ever drasticly different.
Don't get me wrong, I love the ability to dump some lines of code in and have an LTE device, or benchmark near what the new s4 puts down, I do like the phone, but why no ports?? Even now there are 4.2.2 xperia ROMs on devices out there, why no n4 love? I have been waiting forever for an alternative lock screen (bb10 or lg's) that I don't think will ever come. Just find it weird.
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you have a point....but stock android with optimization is what most people download the roms for and get nexus 4 in first place (for many ppl)
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As a former Nexus S 4G and GNex owner, I agree with him. I don't flash roms anymore because I'm bored with them. I picked up another Nexus phone because I know from experience that Nexus phones push the limits of android, and I just don't feel that about the N4. I'm very thankful for all the devs that are out there, but most of the ROMs coming out for the N4 are large group roms (PA, CM10.1, AOKP) and are not made specifically for our device. ROMs that are made specifically for our device lack diversity.
With the HTC Evo 4G I was trying every ROM out there, and when ICS was released I was on the cutting edge with it, and upgraded to the NS4G because of the way it handled ICS. I then switched all over the place looking for more speed and stability, eager to try out every new feature. Then came the GNex, with Jelly Bean first being released, it was again an adventure of trying new things and having an active development community building for it.
The Nexus 4...I don't know. Other than aesthetics I don't think it's as good of a phone for me as the GNex was. The same core of ROMs run on both phones, but the Galaxy Nexus had a lot more storage.
I still like my phone, but I almost feel like I lost a hobby.
In response to the "get a hobby / start dating" comment. I'm married, work a ton, and have a few hobbies, but I still liked tinkering with my phone during my free evenings.
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Well you said it, galaxy nexus had jelly bean. There were no big updates during the era of the nexus 4, but give it a bit of time till KLP (or whatever it's gonna be called) arrives, none of those buggy touchwiz or sense roms will interest you. Oh and it's gonna be exclusive to a few devices (nexus line and GE phones)
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I'd rather have developers pushing the boundaries of AOSP (so everyone can enjoy them) than investing time in a proprietary and in the end, lackluster result compared to the stock experience.
Unless the device is a direct relative, you won't see a good port of any OEM firmware.
I believe stock has a great level of quality and that can be seen on the polls, most people using pure stock.
Also we have great Roms that build upon AOSP and our device is first party supported (see PA). With features like HALO, privacy controls and others, they are delivering great improvements across all devices.
In the end, if you want the best AOSP experience, get a Nexus.
If you want the best Touchwiz experience, get S4.
If you want the best Sense experience, get One.
Etc.
If you really need a OEM overlay, I guess you have the wrong device, friend.
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I just installed PA with HALO to try to prove my thoughts wrong, and there's really no way to get rid of HALO? It's annoying and intrusive, I absolutely hate it, and it just sits there. I went to hide it, and it still just sits on the edge of my screen. Gah! It makes me claustrophobic. I realize that this isn't a popular opinion as everybody raves about HALO, but I can't stand it.
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I just installed PA with HALO to try to prove my thoughts wrong, and there's really no way to get rid of HALO? It's annoying and intrusive, I absolutely hate it, and it just sits there. I went to hide it, and it still just sits on the edge of my screen. Gah! It makes me claustrophobic. I realize that this isn't a popular opinion as everybody raves about HALO, but I can't stand it.
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Same here, I couldn't stand it for more than 5 minutes when I tried it. I even tried to like the whole pie craze, but after 2 days I got sick of swiping to use the navigation buttons, it just felt like extra work. I mean don't get me wrong the PA team are absolute geniuses at what they do, but it just wasn't for me.
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Hi everyone !
My name's Renan and I've just bought a Nexus S. Coming from a HTC Desire, it's just marvellous !
I like development and Android and I created a ROM called Amethyst for the HTC Desire. Now I have a Nexus S, and I'd like to create a ROM for this phone because it is just very powerful !
But as the Nexus S has a stock Android version, I'd like to create a ROM with a custom and nice UI (~ like MIUI).
If you're a developer, a graphist, or someone who has ideas or is interested in this project, just send me a PM
Have a nice evening, guys
Renan.
Really looking forward to see what you come up with mate! Best luck!
I'd be interested in this - I must say I haven't tried developing for the Android yet but I have developed things for PC and have worked with Linux for many years so should be quite easy to pick up! PM me if you like.
sounds good. i can design images (create, modify, etc) pm me with details. cheers..
Welcome to Nexus S, i also love this phone and i hope you come up with something amazing. Seems that the devs start rollling in. They just yesterday or the day before released Nexus S in some of the major contries of Europe. Hope the Nexus S will come alive now
I've had ideas for my own custom ROM. So, if I have the time, I would like to help out. I will try to write up a list of all my ideas later. One of the big ones is that CM requires a custom kernel than ROMs based off stock. They leave something out, so this ROM should do things right from the start and make sure that kernels built for stock, will run. That will make it easier for users to pick their own kernel and kernel Devs would not need to do anything different to make their kernels work with it.
Cheers.
And make me your non-contributing trainee I wanna learn stuff. Just don't know where to start. I m J2EE developer, hardly have to peep outside enterprise web applications
Really glad to see ROM Dev's joining this forum - soon we can have many ROM choices like Galaxy S or Vibrant.
I'm very good with graphic designing (strictly no coding or scripting), let me know if you need my help.
I have been debating making a rom. I used to dev for my captivate, n1, and hero. I think I may start with the ns soon .
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Since you tried to make amethyst on desire a stockish rom, why don't you try to run sense on the nexus s
python08 said:
Hi everyone !
My name's Renan and I've just bought a Nexus S. Coming from a HTC Desire, it's just marvellous !
I like development and Android and I created a ROM called Amethyst for the HTC Desire. Now I have a Nexus S, and I'd like to create a ROM for this phone because it is just very powerful !
But as the Nexus S has a stock Android version, I'd like to create a ROM with a custom and nice UI (~ like MIUI).
If you're a developer, a graphist, or someone who has ideas or is interested in this project, just send me a PM
Have a nice evening, guys
Renan.
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Finally someone who has similar aims to a custom rom like me (MIUI scope) I have loads of ideas, some dev skills and some graphics too, and would love to collaborate. Ill send through a PM soon, I made some mockups ages ago for some of the ideas, so you can get an idea of where I'm coming from.
Welcome and enjoy your Nexus S too!
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Unfortunately we take a BIG hit by not being able to have SENSE roms. We have have about 1/3 less roms due to that. The Nexus One is able to get everything, we cant, and it shows. It harder for all these great DEVs to come up with something cool.
I'm surprised we haven't seen touchwiz on here yet
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Unfortunately we take a BIG hit by not being able to have SENSE roms. We have have about 1/3 less roms due to that. The Nexus One is able to get everything, we cant, and it shows. It harder for all these great DEVs to come up with something cool.
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Why can't we get everything? I've seen a sense rom on the vibrant.
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Why can't we get everything? I've seen a sense rom on the vibrant.
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drivers mainly, HTC Sense is for HTC devices and hardware. We unfortunately have a Samsung. I dunno about a Sense port for the Vibrant, Im gonna look into that.
Count me in. Hit me with a pm
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I'm surprised we haven't seen touchwiz on here yet
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The dev's that develop here either don't like TW or don't have the knowledge. Why make a TW rom when the blind fanboi's here lack the objectivity to see what is better and worse. Even CM took something from TW that they liked...doesn't necessarily make TW better but adds a nice touch. They don't get the point when you say this phone can't do a certain thing when every phone since the original Google experience phones can do it. It's like the world is playing a joke on me. I blame the trendiness that has enveloped Android these days. Back when the main phones were MT3G, G1, Hero nobody cared whether everyone liked it they just did it to show they can and because it has an advantage. You can't see an advantage objectively when your blinded with fanboiism(I just made that up..go me).
I think you are under the impression it would be simple to create a TW rom for nexus s. If so.you are sadly mistaken. If it was easy to do someone might do it but it's not. And TW sucks so bad already that taking the time and effort just to get it half working is pointless.
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Oh I'm not saying I want a tw rom ...just surprising to not see it done yet..just due to the fact of how many sense roms are made for nexus one
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this is staying in G area until we see some real work going on
it'll be moved back to DEV when a working ROM becomes available
Not that I'm ungrateful or anything but I must admit that I am surprised at how slow development has been for the Nexus S. It's a nice bit of hardware that has enough power and potential to be used for all kinds of porting and development projects but instead there are only a few ROM's which are more or less based off the original ROM and don't really bring much to the table.
I say this because I recently bought a Galaxy S II and I've seen that the forum for that phone is far more active than here.
Anyway, I really appreciate all the work that people have put into Nexus S and I hope that it will still grow more popular!
Can I ask what carrier you're using?
The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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+1 I had a Galaxy S (Vibrant) and all the ROMs were based off the OTA of TouchWiz. All of them are the SAME EXACT ROM. The only difference is that they appear differently and has been themed. That's the only difference. But in the end, under the hood. They're all the same exact ROM.
And that's cool you got the Galaxy S2. So shouldn't you go over to that forum instead of trying to brag about it on the Nexus S forum?
To dev for Android you don't have to be a big shot or anything. You could make ROMs yourself. But you don't, so don't complain about it if you aren't contributing.
CM7 and MIUI. What more do you need?
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I use Mikeyinid_v.0.1 with the matr1x v3.0 kernel and it does just fine for me. Stock(AOSP, whatever) is better to me than some of the other ROMs. I don't see the developement as being slow, maybe a little more fickle but not slow. Most everything on these forums for the NS and NS4G is high quality with very few issues. You don't see that a lot for other devices. I think maybe a crapton of stuff isn't out for the Nexus is because it doesn't need it. It is kind of a minimalist phone in a way. It is made so you don't need as much crap developed for it to supplement it. Im sure if more people wanted the Sense ROM, it would be up by now. That's just my opinion, though. Right, wrong or indifferent.
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treUse said:
The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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This summed it all up nicely. Well said.
it's pure google, so there is less to tweak and more about adding features. There can only be so many features added.
All valid points indeed however there is still room to grow and with a device that has the hardware to handle more than just AOSP and MIUI ROM's, I just feel it would be nice to have a few more options without going out and buying another phone. (I'm not made of money and I actually like the NS HW design)
I chose the NS partly due to the Nexus brand which proved to be very popular among developers with the Nexus One. It's all part of the fun of owning a Nexus phone.
To each his own I guess!
What development needs do you have that aren't being met?
My sense is that lots of people want constant change for its own sake rather than because there's any actual need for something to change.
Android is, fundamentally, a big pile of applications. Those don't need to be (and arguably shouldn't usually be) in the firmware. We each have the ability to install and run different ones as we need.
The firmware I currently use (the stock firmware) meets my present firmware needs completely. I don't look to firmware updates or custom "ROMs" to address my unmet needs - I look to the application development community for that.
From my experience in the evo forums (god bless the devs for what they can do, and no disrespect to the real devs and getting stuff working out of nothing and others) but the multiple sense based Roms with same tweaks with sometimes horrible themes thrown on top. The amount of Roms flowing didn't mean healthy just overcrowded with stuff that could have been a theme.
A nexus phone doesn't need alot of development due to it being aosp out of the box. Which alot of people want on their touchwiz\sense\blur phones so out of the box we have an experience that alot of people send alot of time trying to get on their phone.
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I too was fairly disappointed to see the inactivity in the NS forums but I came to realize much of what was said here - this is already the most refined state of Android.
Coming from the Captivate which had a huge following, it caught me off guard that the dev phone would have less of a community than a normal consumer phone. However, we don't consider why people buy Nexus S' to begin with. Most of it's buyers know that this is Pure Android and buy it with such in mind. We don't want TouchWiz; we don't want Motoblur; we don't want Sense; and we don't want whatever crap LG puts on their phones. We want Pure Android and we got it. The only things we may want additionally would be other smaller features (notification toggles, BLN, OC/UV etc.) and we got it too from the community.
If you look at other communities, they "dev" for features that we already have. They dev for:
1. The removal of bloat (carrier crap).
2. Newer Android updates ("leaked" firmware which are buggy to begin with).
3. Different themes (most are ugly or try to theme to AOSP).
4. Better performance (minor if any change at all).
5. New features.
#1, 2 and 4 are things Nexus S already has. We, as Nexus S owners, don't necessarily want #3 at all as we love how Pure Android looks. #5 is what our community pretty much consist of as the new features such as BLN, OC/UV, Voodoo, and notification toggles are "our" ROMs. No wonder all of our ROMs are AOSP-like right? We don't need #1-4, we just want some of #5.
And really, what else do we really need?
The only thing I ask for are:
1. An aftermarket kernel that can OC/UV and has Voodoo and BLN. (multiple kernels with such)
2. Minimalistic ROMs. (Oxygen and some others)
3. Feature-rich ROMs. (CM7, MIUI)
All are satisfied and done so quite well.
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CM7 and MIUI. What more do you need?
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What he said, we got everything we need. No need to go through hoops and barrels to get aosp. We also got awesome kernel development as well
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Trust me, there is everything you need here.
Coming from an incredible, I am so pleased with my NS4G.
When gingerbread sense leaked for the dinc, there was a Ridiculous amount of Roms released. It was just getting silly.
A few solid Roms and some great kernels is all you need.
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If someone could fix the battery issues with the Sprint version, that would be great! ;-)
(at this point the Sprint Nexus battery does not last half as long as my OG Evo with similar usage...)
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+1 I had a Galaxy S (Vibrant) and all the ROMs were based off the OTA of TouchWiz. All of them are the SAME EXACT ROM. The only difference is that they appear differently and has been themed. That's the only difference. But in the end, under the hood. They're all the same exact ROM.
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This x1000. I had a Captivate and everyone raved about the choices they had but didn't realize that it was TW with the living daylights themed out of it. I would rather have a few quality ROM's than 50 of the exact same thing.
See if you feel the same way when ICS is released. Lol.
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I was thinking the same thing as OP. Although I'm glad I have a Nexus S, it's so easy to flash ROMs and things. I've been sorting out a 2.1 Eclair Motorola Defy for my friend and it was a nightmare!
I would love to see what else this baby can do though, maybe USB host for starters.
Well, I think I agree with the general consensus already established in this thread.
We do have it good from the get go as nexus owners. The AOSP roms are for the most part all round excellent and do not really cry out for huge amount of changes and or variations.
There's no bloatware installed. No custom skin to eat away all the ram and slow things down. No big issues.
The roms are fast, stable and real clean.
Overall I'm quite happy with all the good work of the nexus s development community. We have some good choices available.
Feature rich roms such as Cyanogen and MIUI...and light rock solid roms such as Oxygen, Infin1ty and Axura.
Also some great kernels from netarchy and the Trinity team. All in all I think we've got it real good. Especially when one takes a look at some of the other handsets development community.
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I think there's a lot of hubris going on here. Sure, AOSP is fine, but there isn't a single product out there that can't be improved...
Personally, from my experiences running stock, I've wished that there are a lot of configurations that were more customizable. Most of these options are hidden away, like masking the browser user agent string. Personally, I prefer OSes that are extremely lightweight, stable and reliable with minimal cruft but still extremely customizable, even if it means that you have to put more effort than normal into making things work. Yes I'm really picky... I've found that Arch Linux suits me most on the desktop, but I'm not sure yet what ROM will suit me most. So maybe I'll end up building something myself.
But it's just like there's no single Linux distro that's the best; rather there are many different options to choose from. Diversity allows you to take a good product and make it great! Call me an idealist if you like
My current device is the Epic. After reading through this thread I'm sold. My son had been wanting my Epic for a long time. I'm going out and tomorrow and picking up a Nexus S. Thanks
To the OP: if you want to see slow development and pissed off people go visit the Epic forums. Everyone waiting on a leak or God forbid an official release. I'm envious!
tiitle is self explanatory, just curious coming from a HTC wether (because im hell bent on buying nexus 4 due to spec for the price plus google update support) we will see any HTC Sense UI based roms?
Short answer: No. Sense is an HTC skin job, this is an LG.
Second: Why the hell would you do that?
Highly doubt it. People usually get nexus devices for the pure stock Android experience and having skins like HTC sense just ruins it. That's why we didn't see any FULL port for Galaxy nexus. Just unfinished ports that nobody used as daily driver
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It's possible, I remember there being a project to try and get sense on the GNex, but it would probably take a long time since there aren't many people who want it so the number of developers and testers would be small.
Here's a video of a pre beta that came out - video
No. Its horrible and worse. You will like stock.
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if you really want htc skin then get the htc one x+
After all the time I spent to make my s3 work and look like aosp on the nexus, including the on screen button with the hardware ones disabled, now that I've sold it for the nexus, it seems just mental to apply sense or whatever else interface ...to me at least
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People have been trying for a long time now to port Sense to various phones (Sense4All etc). Though there has been progress, it can't even be considered beta yet. So if getting Sense is a concern to you, don't buy the N4. Safe to say, its not gonna happen.
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if you really want htc skin then get the htc one x+
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This. One X is a much better looking phone anyway. And it may not be quite as powerful, but it's easily in the same league.
I really hope so. While stock Android is nice, it would be great to have options. Sense 4 would freaking fly on this phone.
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Short answer: No. Sense is an HTC skin job, this is an LG.
Second: Why the hell would you do that?
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What Antebios said. Don't even dream of it happening because it won't.
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Lootes said:
What Antebios said. Don't even dream of it happening because it won't.
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There's no reason why it couldn't, if there was a few developers that really really wanted to do it, it's possible. It's just extremely unlikely.
Would love to see a port of the Sense 4+ keyboard though. IMHO, it's better than stock (even stock 4.2).
I think Sense5 would be fun to play with. Sure most Google fan-boys don't like it, but it's still nice; just needs refinement (specifically for battery use).
i would definitely flash a sense rom on the nexus... plain AOSP looks a bit dud after a while.
If you like HTC crap (I own an HTC, and personally hate them for their policies, but that's another story..) so much, go for the OX+, which is fine.
There is a lot of personal opinion based guestimation here. I thought google flagships released all the device information to the public so that it would be easy to make roms. I remember the good ol days of the nexus 1 when if you got bored of plain jane you could toss sense on it. Get bored with that toss cyan on it. Get bored with that, here is a port for a different phone, and so on. Sense has GREAT photography features but it does use up a LOT of memory. Looks are a matter of taste though. If you love clean and simple and no bells and whistles then light weight roms are where its at. Sense comes with plenty of spaces filled in though. It truly is a Skin job looking modern and sleek. That's my 2 cents I guess.
so the short and most conclusive answer is: Its possible.
No it is not possible. Sense requires HTC drivers and frameworks. Many great devs have tried over the years and they all end up mostly not working for things like data, camera and things like that.
Sense is not a skin on top of android it is a whole different version of android like a different linux distro with closed sourced files that will only run on HTC devices.
Wanna switch phones man, sense sucks and stick with what you got.. I have HTC and 95% of the time I'm on a CM10 rom
Highly doubt it'll ever happen.
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Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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Not sure what you are looking for or what you are missing, but there has been plenty of Dev support for the VZW VS980
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Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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I am talking from my experience with the G Pro. There are Roms but really all those CM based Roms or other ones are all weak compared to the stock based Roms. U loose so many features with those costume Roms. From dual shot camera and video to quick note to smart screen and smart video to some other great features u only have on stock ROM. U basically gonna cripple ur G2 if u use a costume ROM.
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Hosehead said:
Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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OMG another one of these threads that has been answered over and over. If you don't like the current developer support on the G2, then return it. I find it funny that the people that always ask starts these topics are smart enough to find XDA forums to look for development but yet don't look around in the General and Development threads to gauge for themselves on whether it has enough developer support for that phone to them.
How soon do people except a custom ROM besides just a debloated stock ROM in the first few weeks? Since its clear that you are not a developer and don't understand that you can't just whip out pre-alpha custom ROMs that will crash people's phones and it takes time to do this stuff. Remember that the developers are not paid to do this stuff and do this as a hobby. If you can't deal with patience than get the GS4 or the HTC One.
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OMG another one of these threads that has been answered over and over. If you don't like the current developer support on the G2, then return it. I find it funny that the people that always ask starts these topics are smart enough to find XDA forums to look for development but yet don't look around in the General and Development threads to gauge for themselves on whether it has enough developer support for that phone to them.
How soon do people except a custom ROM besides just a debloated stock ROM in the first few weeks? Since its clear that you are not a developer and don't understand that you can't just whip out pre-alpha custom ROMs that will crash people's phones and it takes time to do this stuff. Remember that the developers are not paid to do this stuff and do this as a hobby. If you can't deal with patience than get the GS4 or the HTC One.
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This thread happens with every new phone lol! O.P even the phones you want to exchange with this one at some point had threads just like this one right before ROMS became available
2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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2 roms is far from a lot of support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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Sounds like the OP is the typical "user" anymore. For some reason even tjo they have no idea the amount of work that goes into building a rom or a kernel or mod, they just somehow feel entitled to get it when they want it. Guess what dude, had HTC ONE on release day , and development was slower than the G2 is. Want a rom when you want it.....build it yourself . this **** aint easy, if it was youd be building a rom instead of *****ing about it.
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2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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Don't know what to say since you feel entitled to have 20 custom ROMs a week after release. If you are so compelled to want custom ROMs, why don't you try developing one and contributing instead of complaining. You seem way too paranoid about developer support for a phone for someone that contributes nothing to the development scene. Most of us are just grateful that we have volunteer developers that want to develop ROMs for the LG G2. I don't demand but rather appreciate all the hard work that they do when they feel ready to release it. I understand that making a ROM is not a walk in the park or else everyone would be doing it.
My advice to you....get a GS4 or HTC One. It has 20 billion custom ROMs that you can flash to your heart's desire right now.
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Don't know what to say since you feel entitled to have 20 custom ROMs a week after release. If you are so compelled to want custom ROMs, why don't you try developing one and contributing instead of complaining. You seem way too paranoid about developer support for a phone for someone that contributes nothing to the development scene. Most of us are just grateful that we have volunteer developers that want to develop ROMs for the LG G2. I don't demand but rather appreciate all the hard work that they do when they feel ready to release it. I understand that making a ROM is not a walk in the park or else everyone would be doing it.
My advice to you....get a GS4 or HTC One. It has 20 billion custom ROMs that you can flash to your heart's desire right now.
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Or just get an iPhone, it seems to have as much development future as the G2 according to the OP
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2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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Then return it, or sack up n learn how to do it yourself.....
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2 roms is far from other if support. A few tweaks. Nothing to write home about. No OEM accessories except for one overpriced case.
Sorry, but coming from a long line of custom roms on devices I have a higher expectation for my roms. And those CM or AOKP types blow stock out of the water and add tons of other features that outperform the stock.
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It hasn't even been a full month yet, and we have a decent amount of mods and a couple ROMs already. That's nothing to scoff at by any sort of reasonable standard. Slow your roll, bro.
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Should I be getting paranoid that the developer support of this device is very slow out of the gate? The hardware is great and beats everything else I tried, but now with S-Off out there for the One on VZW, I am getting worried that I chose poorly.
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im a flashaholic, and once i got root on this bad boy i got all my apps i needed
gameplay is smooth
im really liking lg's UI and stock rom/kernel
Phone rarely even gets warm ,not hot.
Camera is really great
Quick Remote is great as well
Im satisfied with stock rom for once. lol
battery is INSANE checkout post #76 screenshots , no way thatll happen on the ONE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470564&page=8
I've owned plenty of popular flagship devices and even though they have plenty of ROM selection, I've found them to be very similar to each other so I only chose between two or three different ones as my daily driver... So ROM selection is usually over rated based on all the copycat ROM available.
I personally enjoyed my time more with the smaller and unpopular devices that had fewer ROM's at first but then development picked up. Which I think will be the case with this phone.
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Or how about STFU...I think that about covers it ?
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I'm very happy with this phone and the activity in the development community so far. The only two major things I would like to see happen in the future is a port of 4.4 and of 5.0 when they eventually are released into the wild. I don't have much faith in LG but with the new nexus phone so similar I'd imagine this will be done.
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I'm very happy with this phone and the activity in the development community so far. The only two major things I would like to see happen in the future is a port of 4.4 and of 5.0 when they eventually are released into the wild. I don't have much faith in LG but with the new nexus phone so similar I'd imagine this will be done.
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Ya with the nexus phone for sure. But for there non nexus phones.? I don't know if LG can be trusted to update those. Lol
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Lots of bitter smart asses here I see. Wow. I stated an opinion and got flamed. What douchebags.
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from my experience the best roms out there is the one close to the ship rom. any AOSP or etc. roms will have missing features.
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Lots of bitter smart asses here I see. Wow. I stated an opinion and got flamed. What douchebags.
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U diserve it, whining cause someone else isnt doing work u want on your timeframe....... If its that big of a deal, do some research, and learn.... then u dont have to depend on anyone but u...
I've been watching this space for last few days, especially to know how much active development this device would get. There is no doubt that this is one of the best device you can buy right now in the Android market. But it still has less active development than a high end device would see after a month of its release. And being a cousin to Nexus 5, I thought this device will see the added advantage of much more development but what ever is happening is absolutely opposite to it. The development activity is so less, compared to what previous flagships HTC One, S4 had after one month of their respective release, there isn't a need to create separate forums for each major (carrier) version of the device.
Is it because locked bootloaders? or something else?.
blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer
I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer
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Yes, I agree that LG G2 is not as quite as popular as it should beconfused but an average user doesn't hang out in XDA looking for different roms. Even Sony's one or two years old phones are getting KitKat where as this phone has not even having more ROMS to choose from. This is supposed to be the flagship & highest speced device along with Galaxy Note 3. And as I said, being a distant cousin device of Nexus 5, I thought many ROMs from different beloved developers will be available for this device but it is not the case. Many people like me choose Android platform over other(Windows Phone 8 & IOS) because of the availability of different ROMs to choose from. But seeing that is not the case, even those people back off from buying this device.
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I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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Its not only AOSP ROMs but also stock based ROMs too
Patience guys, the ROM's are coming.
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If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.
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If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.
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With due respect, before giving those heroic comments & suggestions, you should have understand what I'm trying to do with this thread, which is to get to know the reasons for not seeing as much development as we usually see with flagship phones(I don't know where you get the notion that I was complaining). I never tried or try to complain or demand anything, heck who the hell I'm to even think of those lines. I clearly was asking for the reasons in the OP(than complaining about any thing) that is it because of locked bootloaders or some other reasons. And every flagship has different variants, its not this phone alone.
But one thing I'm sure about is, any one who visits or comes frequently to this wonderful forum, he/she buys the device which is supported by our beloved developers, they don't care about the manufacturers supporting them in software update.
The "why no development for this device" threads are getting tiresome no matter how an OP tries to disguise it.
If you want a device with a lot a ROM's, I suggest you get a Nexus or a Galaxy S phone and not an LG, Plain and simple.
A lot of xda users know that LG suck at providing updates to the latest version of Android. Samsung and HTC used to be the same way but they have really improved. Besides when it comes to GSM devs, I think most preferred going with the cheaper option the Nexus 5 offers. Also, quite a few people don't really like the rear button placement. Most of us have gotten used to it but try convincing someone who has yet to try the device.
LG is in Samsung's shadow
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I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.
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I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.
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I was lucky enough to get a nexus 5 very early after the launch...i played around with it the day i got then packed it up and sent it back the next day..bought a G2 the next day and am glad i did
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low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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muhamet said:
low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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Def low development for D803.
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Theres a bounty in general to get all variants official AOKP. You want more development then donate.
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Def low development for D803.
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Def low development for D803.
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Low development? There's no development.
Is pretty simple... Most devs knows that LG is not dev friendly and most devs has gone through this with LG before.
This particular lg is very dev friendly
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