Not that I'm ungrateful or anything but I must admit that I am surprised at how slow development has been for the Nexus S. It's a nice bit of hardware that has enough power and potential to be used for all kinds of porting and development projects but instead there are only a few ROM's which are more or less based off the original ROM and don't really bring much to the table.
I say this because I recently bought a Galaxy S II and I've seen that the forum for that phone is far more active than here.
Anyway, I really appreciate all the work that people have put into Nexus S and I hope that it will still grow more popular!
Can I ask what carrier you're using?
The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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+1 I had a Galaxy S (Vibrant) and all the ROMs were based off the OTA of TouchWiz. All of them are the SAME EXACT ROM. The only difference is that they appear differently and has been themed. That's the only difference. But in the end, under the hood. They're all the same exact ROM.
And that's cool you got the Galaxy S2. So shouldn't you go over to that forum instead of trying to brag about it on the Nexus S forum?
To dev for Android you don't have to be a big shot or anything. You could make ROMs yourself. But you don't, so don't complain about it if you aren't contributing.
CM7 and MIUI. What more do you need?
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I use Mikeyinid_v.0.1 with the matr1x v3.0 kernel and it does just fine for me. Stock(AOSP, whatever) is better to me than some of the other ROMs. I don't see the developement as being slow, maybe a little more fickle but not slow. Most everything on these forums for the NS and NS4G is high quality with very few issues. You don't see that a lot for other devices. I think maybe a crapton of stuff isn't out for the Nexus is because it doesn't need it. It is kind of a minimalist phone in a way. It is made so you don't need as much crap developed for it to supplement it. Im sure if more people wanted the Sense ROM, it would be up by now. That's just my opinion, though. Right, wrong or indifferent.
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treUse said:
The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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This summed it all up nicely. Well said.
it's pure google, so there is less to tweak and more about adding features. There can only be so many features added.
All valid points indeed however there is still room to grow and with a device that has the hardware to handle more than just AOSP and MIUI ROM's, I just feel it would be nice to have a few more options without going out and buying another phone. (I'm not made of money and I actually like the NS HW design)
I chose the NS partly due to the Nexus brand which proved to be very popular among developers with the Nexus One. It's all part of the fun of owning a Nexus phone.
To each his own I guess!
What development needs do you have that aren't being met?
My sense is that lots of people want constant change for its own sake rather than because there's any actual need for something to change.
Android is, fundamentally, a big pile of applications. Those don't need to be (and arguably shouldn't usually be) in the firmware. We each have the ability to install and run different ones as we need.
The firmware I currently use (the stock firmware) meets my present firmware needs completely. I don't look to firmware updates or custom "ROMs" to address my unmet needs - I look to the application development community for that.
From my experience in the evo forums (god bless the devs for what they can do, and no disrespect to the real devs and getting stuff working out of nothing and others) but the multiple sense based Roms with same tweaks with sometimes horrible themes thrown on top. The amount of Roms flowing didn't mean healthy just overcrowded with stuff that could have been a theme.
A nexus phone doesn't need alot of development due to it being aosp out of the box. Which alot of people want on their touchwiz\sense\blur phones so out of the box we have an experience that alot of people send alot of time trying to get on their phone.
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I too was fairly disappointed to see the inactivity in the NS forums but I came to realize much of what was said here - this is already the most refined state of Android.
Coming from the Captivate which had a huge following, it caught me off guard that the dev phone would have less of a community than a normal consumer phone. However, we don't consider why people buy Nexus S' to begin with. Most of it's buyers know that this is Pure Android and buy it with such in mind. We don't want TouchWiz; we don't want Motoblur; we don't want Sense; and we don't want whatever crap LG puts on their phones. We want Pure Android and we got it. The only things we may want additionally would be other smaller features (notification toggles, BLN, OC/UV etc.) and we got it too from the community.
If you look at other communities, they "dev" for features that we already have. They dev for:
1. The removal of bloat (carrier crap).
2. Newer Android updates ("leaked" firmware which are buggy to begin with).
3. Different themes (most are ugly or try to theme to AOSP).
4. Better performance (minor if any change at all).
5. New features.
#1, 2 and 4 are things Nexus S already has. We, as Nexus S owners, don't necessarily want #3 at all as we love how Pure Android looks. #5 is what our community pretty much consist of as the new features such as BLN, OC/UV, Voodoo, and notification toggles are "our" ROMs. No wonder all of our ROMs are AOSP-like right? We don't need #1-4, we just want some of #5.
And really, what else do we really need?
The only thing I ask for are:
1. An aftermarket kernel that can OC/UV and has Voodoo and BLN. (multiple kernels with such)
2. Minimalistic ROMs. (Oxygen and some others)
3. Feature-rich ROMs. (CM7, MIUI)
All are satisfied and done so quite well.
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CM7 and MIUI. What more do you need?
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What he said, we got everything we need. No need to go through hoops and barrels to get aosp. We also got awesome kernel development as well
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Trust me, there is everything you need here.
Coming from an incredible, I am so pleased with my NS4G.
When gingerbread sense leaked for the dinc, there was a Ridiculous amount of Roms released. It was just getting silly.
A few solid Roms and some great kernels is all you need.
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If someone could fix the battery issues with the Sprint version, that would be great! ;-)
(at this point the Sprint Nexus battery does not last half as long as my OG Evo with similar usage...)
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+1 I had a Galaxy S (Vibrant) and all the ROMs were based off the OTA of TouchWiz. All of them are the SAME EXACT ROM. The only difference is that they appear differently and has been themed. That's the only difference. But in the end, under the hood. They're all the same exact ROM.
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This x1000. I had a Captivate and everyone raved about the choices they had but didn't realize that it was TW with the living daylights themed out of it. I would rather have a few quality ROM's than 50 of the exact same thing.
See if you feel the same way when ICS is released. Lol.
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I was thinking the same thing as OP. Although I'm glad I have a Nexus S, it's so easy to flash ROMs and things. I've been sorting out a 2.1 Eclair Motorola Defy for my friend and it was a nightmare!
I would love to see what else this baby can do though, maybe USB host for starters.
Well, I think I agree with the general consensus already established in this thread.
We do have it good from the get go as nexus owners. The AOSP roms are for the most part all round excellent and do not really cry out for huge amount of changes and or variations.
There's no bloatware installed. No custom skin to eat away all the ram and slow things down. No big issues.
The roms are fast, stable and real clean.
Overall I'm quite happy with all the good work of the nexus s development community. We have some good choices available.
Feature rich roms such as Cyanogen and MIUI...and light rock solid roms such as Oxygen, Infin1ty and Axura.
Also some great kernels from netarchy and the Trinity team. All in all I think we've got it real good. Especially when one takes a look at some of the other handsets development community.
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I think there's a lot of hubris going on here. Sure, AOSP is fine, but there isn't a single product out there that can't be improved...
Personally, from my experiences running stock, I've wished that there are a lot of configurations that were more customizable. Most of these options are hidden away, like masking the browser user agent string. Personally, I prefer OSes that are extremely lightweight, stable and reliable with minimal cruft but still extremely customizable, even if it means that you have to put more effort than normal into making things work. Yes I'm really picky... I've found that Arch Linux suits me most on the desktop, but I'm not sure yet what ROM will suit me most. So maybe I'll end up building something myself.
But it's just like there's no single Linux distro that's the best; rather there are many different options to choose from. Diversity allows you to take a good product and make it great! Call me an idealist if you like
My current device is the Epic. After reading through this thread I'm sold. My son had been wanting my Epic for a long time. I'm going out and tomorrow and picking up a Nexus S. Thanks
To the OP: if you want to see slow development and pissed off people go visit the Epic forums. Everyone waiting on a leak or God forbid an official release. I'm envious!
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in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
I believe that there is in fact a huge rom development out there. I can see why your frustrated with certain things not being there, but you have to remember how hard it was to crack root on this phone, therefore it is harder to do certain things to it. Where as the galaxy s series is easy as pie to root and hack, along with the evo and older phones. Just mosey on other phone forums and notice the lack of development that they have. There are other great phones, like the evo shift 4G and others that aren't getting love like this phone.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
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Yep, I tried to help a friend with a Cliq and found that too. He was sooo excited for his 2.1 OTA that was super late from the initial promise date that he was expecting. And I found just about zero following for that thing.
I ran bionix for a bit, and I think overall I prefer the Axura over it, except the newest one doesn't have HD Camcorder as of now
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
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What up RatDude? Haha, I had a cliq before this phone and got it when it was just released. I rooted that thing since day one flashing all kinds of buggy roms. That's what started it all.They've come a long way. I used modmymobile.com and they have some pretty good development, and some really good roms. The thing doesn't compare to my G2 though!
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
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I love development and the Android community. So much choices to satisfy anyone's flavor. Here in the G2/Desire Z forums, I believe there is plenty of development. QUALITY development.
In the G1 forums, when it was still really popular, you would just see the forums flooded with all different kinds of ROMs, from several devs. I tried out tons of them, but none of them, except a handful were well made (Cyanogen, JAC, Haykuro, to name a few). Pretty much all the half assed ones were all basic copies of all the other ones, or rip offs of the good ones. In addition there were only two types: stock and sense.
With our forums, we have so many possibilities. Stock, modified stock, froyo, gingerbread, sense, miui. Our hardware can actually support all this too and run well, unlike on other devices.
It doesn't end at roms. We have kernels, modifications, hacks. Anything to make your phone unique. And may I say, our processor is an overclocking champion. I can load up the 1.8 Ghz kernel and run it all day every day, stable. Now, I don't do it, but it's nice to have the option.
In addition to all of this, our phone is still relatively current. Next gen snapdragon processor, nearly 2 gigs of accessible rom, 512 megs of ram, decent screen, stock froyo. I don't see why the G2 wouldn't receive a 2.3 OTA.
As time progresses, I can see more and more devs pop up to try and take the reigns of development for this forum. It's a matter of when, not if.
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Haha, funny. Yup your right it was but they do a lot to the cliq on there. The blurry eclair rom was sweet.
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I don't really feel that way at all. There are the roms that most consider relevant, the sense roms (which has been consolidated into virtuous) and the cyanogenmod team that is so large now that most of the top developers have teamed up. Sure the number of roms are down but the quality is top notch
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I agree to a certain point. If it wasn't for the Devs then this phone wouldn't see anything. There is barely any support from the manufacturers (ie. docks, car docks). They released the G2/Dezire Z then the Nexus S comes out and it's a forgotten phone from their standpoint.
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Yeah, modmymoto was the best site around for Moto modding. Good to see an original Moto modder here. I also modded Motorolas, I modded two RAZR V3's . I loved the fact that you could seriouly mod EVERY LITTLE thing; from small stuff like removing the anoying buzz noise when the phone is near a speaker through a seem edit to stuff like changing the housing to all gold, I saw this one guy put a see-through housing on his RAZR V3 wand made his keypad gold and all the sound up and down buttons down or some other bits of gold parts in it. I loved modding Moto's, I remember that I had an iPhone theme with an iPhone icon pack and an iPhone font, I always used the Mulifex way of flashing, I liked that way the most. I loved the fact that I could change my service provider to 'Beast-Mobile' and change the names of the items in the menu, like for example I had my phone book says "my name's Homies" like "KoolKidsKlub's Homies" I wish that I could change stuff like that on an Android phone.
I've modded stuff like this for as long as I can remember XDA rules, lol. I once bricked a Moto Rokr E8, but I think that's about the only thing I've genuinely bricked haha. I always tell people it usually takes talent to brick an android. I just scored a Vibrant because it was "bricked" and I resurrected it.
[email protected] the post that if this phone didn't have Dev's, it wouldn't see anything at all. I haven't seen any docks for it, yet there are dock settings. Yet the phone I do have a dock for has no dock settings
I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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I kind of expected this. I love this phone, but if I really have to, I will trade it. I hope that CM7 is finished for the Vibrant, then everything would be fine.
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It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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Perfect way to put it. Couldn't agree more
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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Yup. Development may seem to be slowing but lets not forget that we have an whole other i9000 dev forum to choose ROMs from. Especially while they are mostly 2.2.1 ROMs. That'll prolly change (at least for a while) once all the i9000 devs abandon 2.2.1 for gingerbread.
Not every phone will have the lifespan of the g1, hd2, etc... But one can hope lol.
Even the Nexus One development is slowing down with only small updates to previous roms. Guess even their devs are moving.
Lucky me that I have a hd2.
Was considering getting one of those Hd2 for all the development around it but I can't help but feel like it would be a step down.
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
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I feel like that this is what we are lacking now. Eugene was a master and helped and had a hand in over half the roms on this forum. He was able to solve alot of problems that no one else can/could. I feel like without someone of this caliber spearheading the way, its almost impossible to keep development going strong and not baby steps.
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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not everyone can, :/ i'm stuck at vibrant for years.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Yes to an extent. There are alot of phones that are years old and still have development. I understand that they probably are not samsung and probably have all of the source code. But to me, it seems that this phone has not even reached the pinnacle of what it can do. Alot of roms (bionix exempt) are still trying to just get everything working a 100%. Having a phone really becomes a ton of fun when the development gets past just making it all work. It's really a shame if this will never be possible because of samsungs code.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Being that the vibrant was a high end phone when it was released, it still stands up to alot of the newer phones. To leave this phone behind just because it's getting "old" (less than a year is old for cell phone nowadays = bull****), is stupid.
Maybe devs should spend some time porting the Nexus S APIs so as to provide a good base for future roms.
And in the end, I have to admit that if you want fast updates, go Windows Phone, or IOS if you are really desperate.
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I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
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Thats a different way of looking at it master, interesting.
While I somewhat agree with this thread, I'd say give the other devs some time, like maybe a month and see what they come up with, we might get a Gingerbread port or a leak from GS4G. Team Whiskey and EDT will surely come up with something I believe.
Also, I don't understand the craze about HD2, it was a great phone in its time, now if you want ROMS and active dev section, probably better to get Nexus S or wait for Optimus 3D I am sure it'll be sold like hot cakes when it comes out.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
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Hell yeah! Let's hear it for us old farts! I've been on the web since Windows 95. A very scary thought. I actually started with a commodore 64 and it's Gigantic floppy disk drive. When I look back at those days, the worst rom on here is blazing fast and bug free!
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Ok I think this has been asked before but,where the hell are all of the devs!? We have a few really great devs,but I can't help but wonder why don't we have more? Is the nexus s to little to late?
Anyways if this phone had more dev support it would truly Beast of a device
Dual-Core and LTE has just been too enticing for devs...
with the thunderbolt out on Verizon, and the G2X on T-Mobile, we're lucky we have the devs we do... At least we have the heavy hitters: CM and MIUI. We also have Sense in development and improving fast. And lastly we have three GREAT kernel devs... Of course the more devs the merrier, but let's be thankful with who we have.
Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
It's also partially because we're on Gingerbread. For example, for the Vibrant there are a lot of ROMs but they're all the same thing but themed differently. But behind the scenes, they're really the same ROM.
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Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
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I'm also little disappointed but what you said is so true we might not have allot but we have great ROMS i use CM7 myself
and we also just got ROM with hardware codecs and with sprint now we should hopefully get more support
people seems to forget... the device is still very new
it was released on late December 2010, we are still in April 2011
that's only 4 months, yet look at all the great stuff that we got going already.
in contrast the same time for Galaxy S, it took them more than 8 months to get them where they are now, when the SGS was released 4 months and we still did not see any decent ROM coming out.
Woo now, I made no point to say I was unhappy just discouraged. I am extremely happy with the kernels and roms we have as well as our devs. I am simply asking were all the devs are being a vanilla android device and one with great hardware at that it would make sense for more devs to come to the ns rather a locked boot loader phone etc.
Edit: I actually made it a point in my first post about the fact we do have great devs
Don't forget we have Supercurio too!
^ that guy is the man him morific (I guess he's not doing kernels anymore), netarchy <3 , apreichner,ogdobber,mrNameless etc all are amazing (all of the top of my head but yeah there are a few more )
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Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
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Take note, this is very well said.
If OP, you were paying money into a pool for ROM devs, you'd have a valid point, but, as you're not, re-read the quote above.
What would you like to see developed? More ROMs/Kernels? What should they do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:
Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.
That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.
Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
I'd love to see what the dev's can really do... only time will tell I guess, but getting TV-Out, FM (both receiving and especially transmitting), and maybe even USB host working would be totally nifty.
The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math
What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:<br />
[*]Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
[*]Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
[*]Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
[*]Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.<br />
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That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.<br />
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Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?<br />
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
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Honestly, I love the look and feel of this phone. No reception issues and gps problems either. We have a couple of devs working on Touch and Sense. Touch port might open up possibilities for TV out. I think it's a matter of time. The phone is still young like Allgamer said.
Very true and coming from a vibrant I can say there is a ton of roms for it but ultimately a fully working aosp Rom is all they wanted and we already have therefore there's not really the need for that many roms
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The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math
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Just my cents: I recently sold my Galaxy S and bought a Nexus S. On the Galaxy S Dev forums there is more activity, but you know why? It's because things are BAD on the SGS and the devs/users try to fix all the things that samsung screwed up. This is my first day on the NS and as an user I'm 100% happy with the stock rom already. I installed CM7 and now I'm like "I must be dreaming". And I*can tell you the devs over there spend a lot of time improving the Samsung roms. I was constantly tinkering around with the SGS, it was such a waste of time.
In short: There isn't much to improve on the Nexus S, it just works. I*feel relieved.
i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
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i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
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Same, I'm a former N1 user and beginning to miss it alot.
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Ok guys this thread had nothing to do with quality or quantity, but rather activity. I was just curious as to why we don't have more devs+ activity, maybe I over looked the fact that it takes time lol. And also I meant no dissrespect to any dev what so ever, what ever work you have done for this device I truly thank you
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Honestly just more diversity really, I think I should have been more specific in the original post. I believe the more devs the greater possibility for sense/touch wiz and various hacks to happen. I think that I'm just worried we are being left behind for all the dual core phones, I'm not saying we don't have support and devs, but if this phone were released a bit earlier it wouldn't have to compete with phones such as the sensation,atrix,g2x(2x), and especially the galaxy 2
Like many others, I jumped on the train to try out all these ICS roms. I have the Nexus S 4G, so I am more limited, but still.
So far, they are really impressive, all being built from source. Lots of people are saying they are super smooth and responsive.
So I tired out AOSP's build, Kwiboo's, Drew Garens, and some of the Kangs. I used Franco's kernel, Matrix, and Glados to see what all worked best.
Results? Nothing compares to CM7 Gingerbread. When people say the ICS roms are quick, they aren't compared to CM7. Clicking on apps open instantly in CM7, settings menu is snappy, and moving between screens has extremely little lag. The ICS roms all had issues of randomly slowing down, but thats almost no existent in CM7. The worst part was the battery life. I don't know if I wasn't doing things correctly, but with minimal use I was draining 8-9% per hour. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife.png
So I went back to CM7 to see if it was just my phone, or my kernel. I put on Matrix 11.5, and got all set up. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27361088/batterylife2.png
In this picture I was at 76% battery life as well. As you can see, thats MUCH better life.
My question is, has anyone else experienced what I have? I COMPLETELY understand that the ROM's are not perfect, I am not worried about that. I just hear all these AMAZING things about these ICS roms, but I personally don't see it. Just looking for some discussion here, and some other peoples comparisons between Gingerbread and ICS. Thanks to all the devs out there, you guys are great!
Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Perhaps most of us when saying it's quick and responsive, are not trying to make a battle over gingerbread roms......
Perhaps when the term alpha is used and the ROM runs really well it gets us excited for what's down the pipe line.
When I tell people the ics runs smooth on my nexus I'm commenting on how well it runs from the little amount of time that has been spent so far with out pre supplied drivers and kernel. And is described from the Dev as being buggy
Not everything is commented on being nice is not to be precieved as something else is bad.
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Of all the ICS roms I've tried, I give the best performance to aosp. Having said that, they're all still not as fast as GB (Oxygen, my preferred). Played with ICS for a few days, did a nandroid backup and went back to Oxygen.
I understand that the devs are working with what they've got but I'm not satisfied with the current iterations as a daily driver. Battery life is not the best, slow transistions sometimes...performance generally is not what I like. It was fun to play with though.
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It is obvious that GB is still faster, it is based on the OTA and it is here for like one year, devs had time to make it mature. ICS is on the beginning, and imo is running very well at this moment. I have installed CM9 alpha 11 with franco´s kernel and it is quite fast and with the same battery life than I was having with GB.
My ICS is running as fast as I need it for the most part.
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Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?
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Please don't be stupid.
The Gingerbread ROM you are talking about are 1 year old and have been optimized by many ways!
ICS is just a few weeks old and as only be officially ported to one device (Galaxy Nexus)
Do you remember one year ago, the crappy gingerbread ROM we had?
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I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.
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Its a difference between a rom built from source without components from a actually device ota. The performance of ICS roms will take big turn for the better when devs have an official nexus s ota to work with.
If you want the quickest gingerbread experience try Pete's GPA19 bugless beast out.
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Alright, I guess I don't understand the actual component side of it. I thought that source was decently close to what a final build would be like (besides drivers and stability of course).
Thanks for the suggestion.
When we get the OTA for the nexus s 3g & 4g and Devs get the actual kernel and drivers etc designed for our device we will see a major difference.
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I understand it has been optimized, I am not saying it hasn't.
My point is that people are saying the ICS ROMS are "super fast" "no issues!." I would just like to find out how relative Gingerbread is to ICS. When I say that ICS is fast, I would compare it to Gingerbread fast, which is not the same at all.
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then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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then dont use other people may like the progress so far and comment on it threads related to the ROM. Not creating a thread to say other people are wrong comes off ignorant. Do you have a lot of participation trophies at home?
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I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.
For me it was the big turn it took from the SDK port. I tried that and it was slow and laggish and some components didn't work at all.
Then came along the first ICS version built from AOSP and that was already a massive performance increase compared to what we had.
After a few weeks, I call the latest releases 'fast', looking at the iterations it has made. ICS is running smooth-ish here now; no lags while flicking screen, minor lag when open some dialogs.
Lastly I think it helps the devs out a lot if they get feedback on whichever optimization script they put on their release to make it go a bit faster.
Greetz
I own my Nexus since four days now and I think that ICS ins a little bit faster than 3.3.6 Gingerbread. But I used only the Stock and prefer ICS now.
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I never said anyone was wrong. Don't be so quick to be a douch.
I agree that there has been a lot of progress, but my point is - there is no relativity when people talk. They say its fast! What does that even mean? I'm not being ignorant, I am just wondering what other people say fast is.
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oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait
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oh so your just saying people that like the ICS roms and think they are fast are dead wrong. When I ran I tried it was fast and good battery life, I went back to gb cause of 4g and app compatablity. But your not being ignorant im sorry your telling me my opinion is wrong. Thank you for informing me what "my" opinions are
You must be new to this scene and hopefully you can learn from this. Not every comment on something that is positive is not meant to bash another thing. I can not even understand why if your not telling people they are wrong for forming their own opinion different from yours, that a thread needed to be created. Which even the topic title is flame bait
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Dude chill out.
I never said anyone is wrong. All I said is that the term fast is relative. I'm not here to bash anyone, or anything. I am just wondering what other peoples experiences are. Stop flaming because you have a different opinion. That's the whole point of this, to get other peoples OPINIONS. Relax.
Who's still disappointed by the keyboard? The response time is near perfect now. I just wish Google would implement some more settings and features, like custom auto corrections.
I used the stock keyboard for an entire day and it almost killed me, I hate it. Swiftkey X is miles ahead, I cant type in my phone without it.
You know what also bothers me? The fact that the letter "i" is not automatically capitalized in the middle of the sentence. For example, "Have i shown you my picture?" Why is the "i" not capped, Google?
Argh.
Yes, these ICS builds are no where close to the smoothness, snappiness, and fluidity of Gingerbread ROMs. I was hoping that when the official Ice Cream Sandwich OTA for the Nexus S was released this problem would be remedied. These AOSP builds have not been properly optimized and such to run perfectly on our devices, but for Alphas they are decent. Sadly not my cup of decent. They are annoyingly less quick than Gingerbread builds currently are.
Is it just me, or is there a lack of diversity when it comes to ROMs for the n4? I have been using the nexus lineup since the nexus s, and it seemed back then, and with the galaxy nexus, there was more variety. As in sense ROMs or xperia ROMs, miui etc... With the n4 its miui or aosp variants like AOKP or cm10.
I was a flashoholic for sure back then but now it rarely seems like its worth the effort to try new ROMs out. I typically find one that is stable, and I stick to that for weeks or perhaps a couple of months. There is the odd new feature added to these new ROMs that's interesting, but nothing ever drasticly different.
Don't get me wrong, I love the ability to dump some lines of code in and have an LTE device, or benchmark near what the new s4 puts down, I do like the phone, but why no ports?? Even now there are 4.2.2 xperia ROMs on devices out there, why no n4 love? I have been waiting forever for an alternative lock screen (bb10 or lg's) that I don't think will ever come. Just find it weird.
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many of the developers love the pure android side of it in the first place, thats why they are here. and ports just arent the same, and dont run as well as a native rom. if you want a port, see what you could do to build one, id try it if you put one out
I have thought about trying to port. I don't believe I have the skills to get this done, nor the time to gain said skills. I just wonder, is this perhaps due to the fact that this is an lg device, and the others were Samsung? I would think not, but I don't know enough to say for sure.
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I have thought about trying to port. I don't believe I have the skills to get this done, nor the time to gain said skills. I just wonder, is this perhaps due to the fact that this is an lg device, and the others were Samsung? I would think not, but I don't know enough to say for sure.
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that does make things harder. writing new drivers probably wouldnt be worth it, among other things. that is, unless the developer really wanted that port
When I was on my GNex, I don't remember any Sense/TouchWiz/Blur ROMs, at least not functional.
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You bought a nexus 4, but didn't want AOSP?
If you want a different lock screen, there's apps for that.
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None of the ports would ever get into a useable state or be a fully functional daily driver.
It's easier to have a samsung/htc/whatever and go cyanogenmod when you want the closest-to-stock feel, and you'd also have variations of stock roms (sense, tw..).
I don't think the situation was different in the galaxy nexus forum than it is now here, but i do remember that every once in a while threads about how "all roms are the same" would pop up.
And a last point, i don't get this flashing habbit. There's nothing wrong in sticking to 1 rom for a long time, it only means it's stable and it has all the features you actually use/need. *It's a phone, not a toy, if you're bored during your days maybe it's time to find a hobby or maybe start dating or smth. , or just get another non nexus phone and use it to satisfy your flashoholic needs with buggy ports.
*not being rude..
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No Diversity?
I believe that Diversity starts here.
PIE? Halo? Just a couple off the top of my head.
I would rather have stable and new innovations rather then buggy and every option CM can add thrown at me. Hence why I own a Nexus.
Don't forget Ubuntu Phone, that's pretty far from an AOSP ROM. Most other phones besides Galaxy Nexus don't even have a usable port of this.
Nothing to see here... Just another lazy window shopping end-user with very little knowledge on how developing works trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Human beings can never be satisfied.
(Tendency of human beings)
Exynos S4 users are crying for AOSP based ROM and here nexus 4 users are crying for some OEM based ROM.
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Akhil said:
Human beings can never be satisfied.
(Tendency of human beings)
Exynos S4 users are crying for AOSP based ROM and here nexus 4 users are crying for some OEM based ROM.
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It happens.
On Moto forums people cry for sense ROM. On HTC forums people cry for touch wiz. On Samsung forums people cry for MotoBlur.
(This may or may not be real but when I was in the moto section before there were so many threads asking for a Sense port)
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I would love a perfectly functioning sense rom for the nexus 4 but I highly doubt that will ever happen. Then again the reason I bought this phone was not to have manufacturer and carrier restrictions like the other ones do.
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Nothing to see here... Just another lazy window shopping end-user with very little knowledge on how developing works trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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As a former Nexus S 4G and GNex owner, I agree with him. I don't flash roms anymore because I'm bored with them. I picked up another Nexus phone because I know from experience that Nexus phones push the limits of android, and I just don't feel that about the N4. I'm very thankful for all the devs that are out there, but most of the ROMs coming out for the N4 are large group roms (PA, CM10.1, AOKP) and are not made specifically for our device. ROMs that are made specifically for our device lack diversity.
With the HTC Evo 4G I was trying every ROM out there, and when ICS was released I was on the cutting edge with it, and upgraded to the NS4G because of the way it handled ICS. I then switched all over the place looking for more speed and stability, eager to try out every new feature. Then came the GNex, with Jelly Bean first being released, it was again an adventure of trying new things and having an active development community building for it.
The Nexus 4...I don't know. Other than aesthetics I don't think it's as good of a phone for me as the GNex was. The same core of ROMs run on both phones, but the Galaxy Nexus had a lot more storage.
I still like my phone, but I almost feel like I lost a hobby.
In response to the "get a hobby / start dating" comment. I'm married, work a ton, and have a few hobbies, but I still liked tinkering with my phone during my free evenings.
Yeah, where's all the 13 y/o developers (jk) who used to use the kitchen to make cute roms with custom everything (fonts wallpapers bootanimations dialer you name it) and really stand behind the ROM . As much as other big respectable devs who build from source like to ridicule them, I actually really miss them.
I see illusion ROM kinda doing it right now for the nexus 4 and love it. hopefully more come for us...
j_mullet said:
Is it just me, or is there a lack of diversity when it comes to ROMs for the n4? I have been using the nexus lineup since the nexus s, and it seemed back then, and with the galaxy nexus, there was more variety. As in sense ROMs or xperia ROMs, miui etc... With the n4 its miui or aosp variants like AOKP or cm10.
I was a flashoholic for sure back then but now it rarely seems like its worth the effort to try new ROMs out. I typically find one that is stable, and I stick to that for weeks or perhaps a couple of months. There is the odd new feature added to these new ROMs that's interesting, but nothing ever drasticly different.
Don't get me wrong, I love the ability to dump some lines of code in and have an LTE device, or benchmark near what the new s4 puts down, I do like the phone, but why no ports?? Even now there are 4.2.2 xperia ROMs on devices out there, why no n4 love? I have been waiting forever for an alternative lock screen (bb10 or lg's) that I don't think will ever come. Just find it weird.
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you have a point....but stock android with optimization is what most people download the roms for and get nexus 4 in first place (for many ppl)
thunder2132 said:
As a former Nexus S 4G and GNex owner, I agree with him. I don't flash roms anymore because I'm bored with them. I picked up another Nexus phone because I know from experience that Nexus phones push the limits of android, and I just don't feel that about the N4. I'm very thankful for all the devs that are out there, but most of the ROMs coming out for the N4 are large group roms (PA, CM10.1, AOKP) and are not made specifically for our device. ROMs that are made specifically for our device lack diversity.
With the HTC Evo 4G I was trying every ROM out there, and when ICS was released I was on the cutting edge with it, and upgraded to the NS4G because of the way it handled ICS. I then switched all over the place looking for more speed and stability, eager to try out every new feature. Then came the GNex, with Jelly Bean first being released, it was again an adventure of trying new things and having an active development community building for it.
The Nexus 4...I don't know. Other than aesthetics I don't think it's as good of a phone for me as the GNex was. The same core of ROMs run on both phones, but the Galaxy Nexus had a lot more storage.
I still like my phone, but I almost feel like I lost a hobby.
In response to the "get a hobby / start dating" comment. I'm married, work a ton, and have a few hobbies, but I still liked tinkering with my phone during my free evenings.
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Well you said it, galaxy nexus had jelly bean. There were no big updates during the era of the nexus 4, but give it a bit of time till KLP (or whatever it's gonna be called) arrives, none of those buggy touchwiz or sense roms will interest you. Oh and it's gonna be exclusive to a few devices (nexus line and GE phones)
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I'd rather have developers pushing the boundaries of AOSP (so everyone can enjoy them) than investing time in a proprietary and in the end, lackluster result compared to the stock experience.
Unless the device is a direct relative, you won't see a good port of any OEM firmware.
I believe stock has a great level of quality and that can be seen on the polls, most people using pure stock.
Also we have great Roms that build upon AOSP and our device is first party supported (see PA). With features like HALO, privacy controls and others, they are delivering great improvements across all devices.
In the end, if you want the best AOSP experience, get a Nexus.
If you want the best Touchwiz experience, get S4.
If you want the best Sense experience, get One.
Etc.
If you really need a OEM overlay, I guess you have the wrong device, friend.
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I just installed PA with HALO to try to prove my thoughts wrong, and there's really no way to get rid of HALO? It's annoying and intrusive, I absolutely hate it, and it just sits there. I went to hide it, and it still just sits on the edge of my screen. Gah! It makes me claustrophobic. I realize that this isn't a popular opinion as everybody raves about HALO, but I can't stand it.
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I just installed PA with HALO to try to prove my thoughts wrong, and there's really no way to get rid of HALO? It's annoying and intrusive, I absolutely hate it, and it just sits there. I went to hide it, and it still just sits on the edge of my screen. Gah! It makes me claustrophobic. I realize that this isn't a popular opinion as everybody raves about HALO, but I can't stand it.
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Same here, I couldn't stand it for more than 5 minutes when I tried it. I even tried to like the whole pie craze, but after 2 days I got sick of swiping to use the navigation buttons, it just felt like extra work. I mean don't get me wrong the PA team are absolute geniuses at what they do, but it just wasn't for me.
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