Ok I think this has been asked before but,where the hell are all of the devs!? We have a few really great devs,but I can't help but wonder why don't we have more? Is the nexus s to little to late?
Anyways if this phone had more dev support it would truly Beast of a device
Dual-Core and LTE has just been too enticing for devs...
with the thunderbolt out on Verizon, and the G2X on T-Mobile, we're lucky we have the devs we do... At least we have the heavy hitters: CM and MIUI. We also have Sense in development and improving fast. And lastly we have three GREAT kernel devs... Of course the more devs the merrier, but let's be thankful with who we have.
Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
It's also partially because we're on Gingerbread. For example, for the Vibrant there are a lot of ROMs but they're all the same thing but themed differently. But behind the scenes, they're really the same ROM.
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Quality of ROMs / Kernels > Quantity of ROM / Kernels
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I'm also little disappointed but what you said is so true we might not have allot but we have great ROMS i use CM7 myself
and we also just got ROM with hardware codecs and with sprint now we should hopefully get more support
people seems to forget... the device is still very new
it was released on late December 2010, we are still in April 2011
that's only 4 months, yet look at all the great stuff that we got going already.
in contrast the same time for Galaxy S, it took them more than 8 months to get them where they are now, when the SGS was released 4 months and we still did not see any decent ROM coming out.
Woo now, I made no point to say I was unhappy just discouraged. I am extremely happy with the kernels and roms we have as well as our devs. I am simply asking were all the devs are being a vanilla android device and one with great hardware at that it would make sense for more devs to come to the ns rather a locked boot loader phone etc.
Edit: I actually made it a point in my first post about the fact we do have great devs
Don't forget we have Supercurio too!
^ that guy is the man him morific (I guess he's not doing kernels anymore), netarchy <3 , apreichner,ogdobber,mrNameless etc all are amazing (all of the top of my head but yeah there are a few more )
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Don't like it? Go learn how to make ROMs & kernels. Otherwise, you aren't in a position to be criticizing the amount of ROMs.
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Take note, this is very well said.
If OP, you were paying money into a pool for ROM devs, you'd have a valid point, but, as you're not, re-read the quote above.
What would you like to see developed? More ROMs/Kernels? What should they do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:
Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.
That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.
Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
I'd love to see what the dev's can really do... only time will tell I guess, but getting TV-Out, FM (both receiving and especially transmitting), and maybe even USB host working would be totally nifty.
The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math
What would you like to see developed? What should [it] do that current NS ROMs/Kernels don't?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Let's have a look at what drives custom ROM development on other phones:<br />
[*]Newer Android version out but no or delayed official updates. → The NS is running 2.3.3, which is the most current version for phones.
[*]Removal of bloatware and/or custom skins → The NS has neither.
[*]Fixing bugs → That one's legit, I want working GPS!
[*]Pushing the boundaries of the hardware → there's OC and UV kernels, even Voodoo. About the only thing I'm missing is support for the fm radio that's allegedly somewhere in there.<br />
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That said, I can see where the OP's coming from. I'd have expected a few more daring projects as well, like custom distros that don't just mix & match existing (binary) code but are built from source from the ground up. Maybe there's only room for one CyanogenMod, though.<br />
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Then there may be the fact that it isn't spec- and value-wise a very attractive phone, what with the missing SD card slot, disabled fm radio, rather high bulk and weight (while still being all-plastic), medicore reception and dismal GPS. About the only thing it's really got going for it is the software it's running - and if you like that, why replace it?<br />
EDIT: One more point: Few people have one - just look at the number of posts & threads in the NS forums vs the SGS1 forums. At first it was US/UK only and by the time the Continental European version came out it was old news. Fewer owners means fewer devs and also less of an audience / user base for those devs.
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Honestly, I love the look and feel of this phone. No reception issues and gps problems either. We have a couple of devs working on Touch and Sense. Touch port might open up possibilities for TV out. I think it's a matter of time. The phone is still young like Allgamer said.
Very true and coming from a vibrant I can say there is a ton of roms for it but ultimately a fully working aosp Rom is all they wanted and we already have therefore there's not really the need for that many roms
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The following is NOT universally true. It is admittedly a generalization. However I'm going to say it as I think it accounts for SOME of what the OP notices:
Development on most other phones is in the direction of modifying software/firmware on those phones to be more like the Nexus phones. Thus, when you're starting with a Nexus S....... well, you do the math
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Just my cents: I recently sold my Galaxy S and bought a Nexus S. On the Galaxy S Dev forums there is more activity, but you know why? It's because things are BAD on the SGS and the devs/users try to fix all the things that samsung screwed up. This is my first day on the NS and as an user I'm 100% happy with the stock rom already. I installed CM7 and now I'm like "I must be dreaming". And I*can tell you the devs over there spend a lot of time improving the Samsung roms. I was constantly tinkering around with the SGS, it was such a waste of time.
In short: There isn't much to improve on the Nexus S, it just works. I*feel relieved.
i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
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i miss intersect and wildmonks they make very good kernels
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Same, I'm a former N1 user and beginning to miss it alot.
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Ok guys this thread had nothing to do with quality or quantity, but rather activity. I was just curious as to why we don't have more devs+ activity, maybe I over looked the fact that it takes time lol. And also I meant no dissrespect to any dev what so ever, what ever work you have done for this device I truly thank you
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Honestly just more diversity really, I think I should have been more specific in the original post. I believe the more devs the greater possibility for sense/touch wiz and various hacks to happen. I think that I'm just worried we are being left behind for all the dual core phones, I'm not saying we don't have support and devs, but if this phone were released a bit earlier it wouldn't have to compete with phones such as the sensation,atrix,g2x(2x), and especially the galaxy 2
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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It will come. There is a major learning curve since this is much coherent than the htc built phones. As for accessories yeah.. But it's only been 2 months, be patent..
i too thought that dev would have jumped all over galaxy S phones right away. i know there is a learning curve from htc phones, but i though they would be all over these as they all have the same basic hardware.
I do appreciate the dev who are here and helping and working
i wish for more accessories too
Honestly, this is the first android phone I've owned, I am quite impressed with the activity by the devs. There seems to be a lot of effort into designing tweaks that will lead to some quality changes to our Vibrants after the bugs are worked out.
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.
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If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.
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i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.
Op please sell your phone, buy an HTC, and have a coke and a smile... quit complaining about one of the best phones in the WORLD market... if still unhappy there is always iPhone.... bye bye...
And I wish moderators here would trash these stupid waaaah waaaah threads.... your complaint is useless unless you are willing to develop, hack, beta test, or otherwise move development along... and to the point of lag fixing and deleting bloatware, YOUR WELCOME FOR THE FREE DEVELOPMENT YOU UNGRATEFUL COMPLAINER!!!
If you really think that all the devs are doing is adding and removing apps then maybe you should just wait for an ota update.
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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Welcome to being an early adopter of a device.
Op. Sell your phone or use it as a blubt instrument to punch yourself in the vagina.
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Well, I have the phone and my wife bought me a case. I felt in love with it. Amazon's is full of them. My case was worth 9 USD when I first bought it, I can tell u that now there are more expensive ones, the technology is much better.
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I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .
I like the phone. and i do think it the best phone on the market (at least for me). But I would probably get Droid X if it wasnt so big.
After some mods to phone, i am very happy with it (except for back cover and 2.1, well and the fact that compass just doesnt work at all), gps works,launcher pro plus is a killer, lag fix works, battery indicator fixed, and obviously removed all crapware, oh and tasker app makes word of difference too.
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Am I one of the few that think 2 months is still early in the development game?
The Nexus One is sold as a developers phone, so it should and is supported as one.
I think the developers have lives and a real job. Making this a fun hobby for most of them. So just relax, be patient and before you know it you will have every tweaked/hacked/themed ROM available for your flashing pleasure.
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if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .
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Are actually retarded, so you must make the same stupid point over and over?
We buy stuff when we need it -- like when the old phone breaks, or a plan needs to be renewed.... Most people research a bit, then weigh the pros and cons and take the plunge.
After some use, everyone finds things they like or dislike about their purchase.
But really, why shouldn't we expect to be able to buy by now the dock that Samsung was showing off in their ads way before the phone was available?
Just cleaned this thread and removed some unacceptable comments which absolutely break XDA Rule 2 and usually lead to the suspension of user accounts.
Please stay on topic. Don't post if you have nothing constructive to offer.
Appreciate your cooperation.
WB
kolyan said:
i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.
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Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.
Chalup said:
Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.
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it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?
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it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?
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Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.
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Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.
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Difference the phone works as is, everything works fine on it. You just want it to work "better".
Well I want my myTouch to be better. Yea, they should trade me out to a myTouch Slide! I spent 250!!! dollars on it.
I don't remember the last time I bought a computer and then when the next version of an OS came out I got it for free. Either shut up, or learn to develop on your own.
Samfirmware twittered last night http://mobile.twitter.com/samfirmware/status/34382086026567681
Samsung test Android 2.3 for i9000 and p1000 we have no more info at the moment.
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This is very good news!
Why make another thread for this ? It's already in the "Android 2.3 any info?" post.. It's XDA Forum here, not Twitter, we don't need zillion of posts about 2.3 status.
very good!!!!!
I think they testing on their own i9000 because mine still got 2.2 froyo wich is also not official rom because no foryo yet released for pakistan
samsung is extremely lazy in releasing updates, so relax and go to sleep !
Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs.
Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Totally agree man, the SGS was my first android, and also my first Samsung and I have been with them ever since. I have bought a nexus S the day it came out. Samsung hardware is great but they seemed to be overwhelmed with the different models and such. And with the SGS2 coming out soon, I am not sure about 2.3 for us. However that is why XDA is so important for us.
Rome might not be built in a day, but ROMs can be
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While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.
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Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs. Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.
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This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.
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Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I wouldn't doubt samsung used some of the kernel devs from heres code in their 2.2.1 roms (namely lastufo, hardcore and trasig)
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While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.
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Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.
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Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.
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WP7 would be mistake buddy ....
if we can't get 2.3 from samsung, maybe ROM modders here in XDA can
chambo622 said:
Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I'm afraid this post is pure tripe!
CM7 is nowhere near stable yet; not even all the "advertised" features work! I'm not bashing them, because they know there's still bugs, but just think for a minute.... how vocal would you be, in a very demeaning manner, if Samsung had put out CM7 as it stands now?
As for Google "doing all the development [on Nexus S] - I think you'll find that they only did (at most) 50%. Most, if not all, the initial hardware driver support, which is the KEY to making Android work on any device, will have been done by Samsung, as it's them who has the knowledge, skills & facilities to make the phone. Once you've got the hardware drivers / abstraction layer; its very easy to put any OS you want on top! (do you really, really think there's a huge hardware difference between Samsung's Bada, Android, WP7 & even Symbian phones?)
Now, I'm not saying Samsung are the best at delivering updates, but they're better than some *cough* Motorola *cough* and their hardware is still the pinnacle of what's available. And yes, there's a few talented people on XDA, but there's also a hell of a lot more who muddy the waters and generally add to the nonsense going round by wrongly accusing Samsung / XDA devs / polar bears of X, Y, & Z.
Some of you have to take a good look into all that is "technology" and the likes...Most likely, once a device is out, YOU WILL NOT GET MAJOR UPDATES besides bug correction. And this is valid for every company.
Consider yourself lucky to get major release like 2.2 or 2.3, most of the others makers (HTC, Sony, Motorola) are still on 2.1.
Take a good look there and see by yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices
Most of the devices don't even have 2.2.1 and the only one with 2.3 is still Nexus S.
WP7 had a long run before releasing the first bug correction (not even sure if it's out yet...)
Even worst, iOs users have to PAY for their release
So, you can complain all you want but reality is far from what you are thinking...
Now, as for 2.3, it's supposed to be optimised for SGS hardware (because of the Nexus S), can't wait to see how it goes!
theres a good chance we will get 2.3 because galaxy s phone are still being sold and the 4g ones
I sincerely hope samsung is gonna surprise us one of these days (even then probably later rather than sooner), since 2.3 is finally optimized for the hummingbird aswell... Also the screen shutdown animation kicks ass.
On another note: Samsung should really communicate better, and ffs train your customer support. I tried to poke for some information earlier this week, and I got a response saying: Samsung is not responsible for the updates, please contact the responsible party, in this case "Android".
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in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
I believe that there is in fact a huge rom development out there. I can see why your frustrated with certain things not being there, but you have to remember how hard it was to crack root on this phone, therefore it is harder to do certain things to it. Where as the galaxy s series is easy as pie to root and hack, along with the evo and older phones. Just mosey on other phone forums and notice the lack of development that they have. There are other great phones, like the evo shift 4G and others that aren't getting love like this phone.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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haha try working with something with a weak following, like a Samsung Transform. All I really see is guys complaining there's no XDA sub-board. There's an SDK but it all sucks especially because I'm used to how wonderful my G2's support is.
There's a decent following for the Vibrant, but zero cyanogen for it, and I doubt there ever will be. I do like my Axura rom, but it makes me sad I can't cyanogen it. Which makes me appreciate cyanogen even more though, because I see that it has sooooo much more than other roms.
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I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
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Yep, I tried to help a friend with a Cliq and found that too. He was sooo excited for his 2.1 OTA that was super late from the initial promise date that he was expecting. And I found just about zero following for that thing.
I ran bionix for a bit, and I think overall I prefer the Axura over it, except the newest one doesn't have HD Camcorder as of now
TJBunch1228 said:
I was trying to find the XDA forum for the Moto Cliq for my sister, and realized on doesn't even exist, lol. But I do miss the Vibrant forums a little bit. When I had my Vibrant I ran Nero/Bionix and it was the tits. I am new to CM but having Gingerbread gives me wood, so I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my G2.
Sent from my crack-addicted G2 injected with CM7.
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What up RatDude? Haha, I had a cliq before this phone and got it when it was just released. I rooted that thing since day one flashing all kinds of buggy roms. That's what started it all.They've come a long way. I used modmymobile.com and they have some pretty good development, and some really good roms. The thing doesn't compare to my G2 though!
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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in certain areas? Things like roms and overclocking kernels our developers are on top of, no question about it
From time to time, I wonder into the other android device's development sections of xda and think what if we had those developments. Take for example the Nexus S, they have a sound patch that improves the sound quality and ext4 optimizations to increase performance in Gingerbread. In the Desire HD development section they have a performance enhanced kernel for CM7. Just a few examples of such developments I see in other sections, that gets me thinking.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate all the hard work and effort that our current developers go through to provide us "normal" users with kernels and roms for our devices. I wish I had the time and knowledge of the Android system to get into development, to help out.
Just sharing my thoughts and would like to hear others opinion on this, not criticizing or trying to create a issue.
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I love development and the Android community. So much choices to satisfy anyone's flavor. Here in the G2/Desire Z forums, I believe there is plenty of development. QUALITY development.
In the G1 forums, when it was still really popular, you would just see the forums flooded with all different kinds of ROMs, from several devs. I tried out tons of them, but none of them, except a handful were well made (Cyanogen, JAC, Haykuro, to name a few). Pretty much all the half assed ones were all basic copies of all the other ones, or rip offs of the good ones. In addition there were only two types: stock and sense.
With our forums, we have so many possibilities. Stock, modified stock, froyo, gingerbread, sense, miui. Our hardware can actually support all this too and run well, unlike on other devices.
It doesn't end at roms. We have kernels, modifications, hacks. Anything to make your phone unique. And may I say, our processor is an overclocking champion. I can load up the 1.8 Ghz kernel and run it all day every day, stable. Now, I don't do it, but it's nice to have the option.
In addition to all of this, our phone is still relatively current. Next gen snapdragon processor, nearly 2 gigs of accessible rom, 512 megs of ram, decent screen, stock froyo. I don't see why the G2 wouldn't receive a 2.3 OTA.
As time progresses, I can see more and more devs pop up to try and take the reigns of development for this forum. It's a matter of when, not if.
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Haha, funny. Yup your right it was but they do a lot to the cliq on there. The blurry eclair rom was sweet.
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I don't really feel that way at all. There are the roms that most consider relevant, the sense roms (which has been consolidated into virtuous) and the cyanogenmod team that is so large now that most of the top developers have teamed up. Sure the number of roms are down but the quality is top notch
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I agree to a certain point. If it wasn't for the Devs then this phone wouldn't see anything. There is barely any support from the manufacturers (ie. docks, car docks). They released the G2/Dezire Z then the Nexus S comes out and it's a forgotten phone from their standpoint.
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yo, lol
wasn't modmymobile originally modmymoto? Before the miracle of android I modded a RAZR, SLVR, and KRZR which also subsidy unlocked... but the aftermarket "rom" on it sucked ass lol. It even included some text messages with some weird lady in the flash. Was like a personal NAND
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Yeah, modmymoto was the best site around for Moto modding. Good to see an original Moto modder here. I also modded Motorolas, I modded two RAZR V3's . I loved the fact that you could seriouly mod EVERY LITTLE thing; from small stuff like removing the anoying buzz noise when the phone is near a speaker through a seem edit to stuff like changing the housing to all gold, I saw this one guy put a see-through housing on his RAZR V3 wand made his keypad gold and all the sound up and down buttons down or some other bits of gold parts in it. I loved modding Moto's, I remember that I had an iPhone theme with an iPhone icon pack and an iPhone font, I always used the Mulifex way of flashing, I liked that way the most. I loved the fact that I could change my service provider to 'Beast-Mobile' and change the names of the items in the menu, like for example I had my phone book says "my name's Homies" like "KoolKidsKlub's Homies" I wish that I could change stuff like that on an Android phone.
I've modded stuff like this for as long as I can remember XDA rules, lol. I once bricked a Moto Rokr E8, but I think that's about the only thing I've genuinely bricked haha. I always tell people it usually takes talent to brick an android. I just scored a Vibrant because it was "bricked" and I resurrected it.
[email protected] the post that if this phone didn't have Dev's, it wouldn't see anything at all. I haven't seen any docks for it, yet there are dock settings. Yet the phone I do have a dock for has no dock settings
In case people havent noticed, real development around here has slowed to a crawl. With the GalaxyS 4G now selling and TMO ending the sale of the vibrant, we have slipped onto the backburner. This is what is great about cyanogenmod also. As long as we get on the supported devices list, we will always get updates that we can build.
I am also pretty sure the sheer annoyance of the vibrant forums has made quite a few want to leave the platform, for that reason alone. I almost sold mine for that reason, go read the G1 forums, they already have honeycomb, and it is because they are working together, not complaining about release of something new. They just dont realize that they are new themes, not features.
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In case people havent noticed, real development around here has slowed to a crawl. With the GalaxyS 4G now selling and TMO ending the sale of the vibrant, we have slipped onto the backburner. This is what is great about cyanogenmod also. As long as we get on the supported devices list, we will always get updates that we can build.
I am also pretty sure the sheer annoyance of the vibrant forums has made quite a few want to leave the platform, for that reason alone. I almost sold mine for that reason, go read the G1 forums, they already have honeycomb, and it is because they are working together, not complaining about release of something new. They just dont realize that they are new themes, not features.
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Ehh I have to disagree, I think were doing way better than what we were, Yeah the other devs that left were great, but we still have some good devs around, I think will be fine for the time being, Atleast until the sgs2 comes out.
We've got are the same great roms we always had as before, which have been improved, a bunch of new 2.2.1 roms, made possible by Eugene before he left, and 2 Gingerbread betas.
I think the plateau development has hit is due to the lack of Gingerbread source. The only keck was for i9000, iirc. Froyo roms are perfect as they are. More great leaps will come in due time.
One Gingerbread leak. JUST ONE GINGERBREAD LEAK.
You will see development increase by 300%+
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One Gingerbread leak. JUST ONE GINGERBREAD LEAK.
You will see development increase by 300%+
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Exactly! 1 tiny little leak will change the game! Dude imagine if it was a tiny leak of honey comb, that would be the biggest game changer on earth lol
Only one can dream.
What do you want your phone to do that development hasn't already provided?
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WTH are you talking about? I keep seeing posts about development stopping but I set half a dozen roms from 2.2, 2.2.1 available and 2.3 ports with MIUI, CM7, and Whitehawx. 5 new kernels in the last few weeks. Do people have short memory or something? In the so call hay days I remember 2 roms from TW, one from Master, and one from Eugene and you have to sit there and wait till Krylon finds a new leak before anything happens.
I agree. I am not sure what kind of OCD phone flashing desire some people are experiencing. How many ROM flavors can you possibly need. We already have a handful of great developers hacking their way through the current limited software available from various Samsung leaks. Realistically I am happy we have any custom ROMs at all, since the Vibrant specifically is a very small subset of the larger Galaxy S family. Expecting to see the number of options such as those for the Nexus One a while back is simply not realistic.
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I feel like the Vibrant roms for Froyo are almost as good as it's going to get. We've lost some great devs to drama but i think overall we're doing great. Things are going to get hot again when gingerbread drops.
Not that I'm ungrateful or anything but I must admit that I am surprised at how slow development has been for the Nexus S. It's a nice bit of hardware that has enough power and potential to be used for all kinds of porting and development projects but instead there are only a few ROM's which are more or less based off the original ROM and don't really bring much to the table.
I say this because I recently bought a Galaxy S II and I've seen that the forum for that phone is far more active than here.
Anyway, I really appreciate all the work that people have put into Nexus S and I hope that it will still grow more popular!
Can I ask what carrier you're using?
The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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+1 I had a Galaxy S (Vibrant) and all the ROMs were based off the OTA of TouchWiz. All of them are the SAME EXACT ROM. The only difference is that they appear differently and has been themed. That's the only difference. But in the end, under the hood. They're all the same exact ROM.
And that's cool you got the Galaxy S2. So shouldn't you go over to that forum instead of trying to brag about it on the Nexus S forum?
To dev for Android you don't have to be a big shot or anything. You could make ROMs yourself. But you don't, so don't complain about it if you aren't contributing.
CM7 and MIUI. What more do you need?
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I use Mikeyinid_v.0.1 with the matr1x v3.0 kernel and it does just fine for me. Stock(AOSP, whatever) is better to me than some of the other ROMs. I don't see the developement as being slow, maybe a little more fickle but not slow. Most everything on these forums for the NS and NS4G is high quality with very few issues. You don't see that a lot for other devices. I think maybe a crapton of stuff isn't out for the Nexus is because it doesn't need it. It is kind of a minimalist phone in a way. It is made so you don't need as much crap developed for it to supplement it. Im sure if more people wanted the Sense ROM, it would be up by now. That's just my opinion, though. Right, wrong or indifferent.
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treUse said:
The SGS2 has sold many more units; it's only natural that their forum is more active than ours.There are other factors that also add to the rather slow development you're seeing:
The NS comes with AOSP, which by many is regarded the superior form of Android. This coupled by the fact that the NS was released just before the beginning of the dawn of the DCs, results in a neglect of both Sense and TW ROMs. This isn't a big loss, but alternatives wouldn't be bad either, for that part.
What you are seeing is lots and lots of AOSP ROMs, and a single incomplete Sense ROM. That would generally be regarded as an unhealthy development community. But think about this: the NS has the heavy hitters such as CM7 and MIUI, smaller but incredibly solid ROMs as Oxygen. What you are seeing are a couple of quality ROMs, what you aren't seeing is lots of crap in between.
And don't forget the kernel developers who plays a big part in the Dev community.
Personally I enjoy the the NS immensely and I have high hopes that we'll go a long way together.
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This summed it all up nicely. Well said.
it's pure google, so there is less to tweak and more about adding features. There can only be so many features added.
All valid points indeed however there is still room to grow and with a device that has the hardware to handle more than just AOSP and MIUI ROM's, I just feel it would be nice to have a few more options without going out and buying another phone. (I'm not made of money and I actually like the NS HW design)
I chose the NS partly due to the Nexus brand which proved to be very popular among developers with the Nexus One. It's all part of the fun of owning a Nexus phone.
To each his own I guess!
What development needs do you have that aren't being met?
My sense is that lots of people want constant change for its own sake rather than because there's any actual need for something to change.
Android is, fundamentally, a big pile of applications. Those don't need to be (and arguably shouldn't usually be) in the firmware. We each have the ability to install and run different ones as we need.
The firmware I currently use (the stock firmware) meets my present firmware needs completely. I don't look to firmware updates or custom "ROMs" to address my unmet needs - I look to the application development community for that.
From my experience in the evo forums (god bless the devs for what they can do, and no disrespect to the real devs and getting stuff working out of nothing and others) but the multiple sense based Roms with same tweaks with sometimes horrible themes thrown on top. The amount of Roms flowing didn't mean healthy just overcrowded with stuff that could have been a theme.
A nexus phone doesn't need alot of development due to it being aosp out of the box. Which alot of people want on their touchwiz\sense\blur phones so out of the box we have an experience that alot of people send alot of time trying to get on their phone.
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I too was fairly disappointed to see the inactivity in the NS forums but I came to realize much of what was said here - this is already the most refined state of Android.
Coming from the Captivate which had a huge following, it caught me off guard that the dev phone would have less of a community than a normal consumer phone. However, we don't consider why people buy Nexus S' to begin with. Most of it's buyers know that this is Pure Android and buy it with such in mind. We don't want TouchWiz; we don't want Motoblur; we don't want Sense; and we don't want whatever crap LG puts on their phones. We want Pure Android and we got it. The only things we may want additionally would be other smaller features (notification toggles, BLN, OC/UV etc.) and we got it too from the community.
If you look at other communities, they "dev" for features that we already have. They dev for:
1. The removal of bloat (carrier crap).
2. Newer Android updates ("leaked" firmware which are buggy to begin with).
3. Different themes (most are ugly or try to theme to AOSP).
4. Better performance (minor if any change at all).
5. New features.
#1, 2 and 4 are things Nexus S already has. We, as Nexus S owners, don't necessarily want #3 at all as we love how Pure Android looks. #5 is what our community pretty much consist of as the new features such as BLN, OC/UV, Voodoo, and notification toggles are "our" ROMs. No wonder all of our ROMs are AOSP-like right? We don't need #1-4, we just want some of #5.
And really, what else do we really need?
The only thing I ask for are:
1. An aftermarket kernel that can OC/UV and has Voodoo and BLN. (multiple kernels with such)
2. Minimalistic ROMs. (Oxygen and some others)
3. Feature-rich ROMs. (CM7, MIUI)
All are satisfied and done so quite well.
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CM7 and MIUI. What more do you need?
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What he said, we got everything we need. No need to go through hoops and barrels to get aosp. We also got awesome kernel development as well
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Trust me, there is everything you need here.
Coming from an incredible, I am so pleased with my NS4G.
When gingerbread sense leaked for the dinc, there was a Ridiculous amount of Roms released. It was just getting silly.
A few solid Roms and some great kernels is all you need.
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If someone could fix the battery issues with the Sprint version, that would be great! ;-)
(at this point the Sprint Nexus battery does not last half as long as my OG Evo with similar usage...)
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+1 I had a Galaxy S (Vibrant) and all the ROMs were based off the OTA of TouchWiz. All of them are the SAME EXACT ROM. The only difference is that they appear differently and has been themed. That's the only difference. But in the end, under the hood. They're all the same exact ROM.
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This x1000. I had a Captivate and everyone raved about the choices they had but didn't realize that it was TW with the living daylights themed out of it. I would rather have a few quality ROM's than 50 of the exact same thing.
See if you feel the same way when ICS is released. Lol.
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I was thinking the same thing as OP. Although I'm glad I have a Nexus S, it's so easy to flash ROMs and things. I've been sorting out a 2.1 Eclair Motorola Defy for my friend and it was a nightmare!
I would love to see what else this baby can do though, maybe USB host for starters.
Well, I think I agree with the general consensus already established in this thread.
We do have it good from the get go as nexus owners. The AOSP roms are for the most part all round excellent and do not really cry out for huge amount of changes and or variations.
There's no bloatware installed. No custom skin to eat away all the ram and slow things down. No big issues.
The roms are fast, stable and real clean.
Overall I'm quite happy with all the good work of the nexus s development community. We have some good choices available.
Feature rich roms such as Cyanogen and MIUI...and light rock solid roms such as Oxygen, Infin1ty and Axura.
Also some great kernels from netarchy and the Trinity team. All in all I think we've got it real good. Especially when one takes a look at some of the other handsets development community.
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I think there's a lot of hubris going on here. Sure, AOSP is fine, but there isn't a single product out there that can't be improved...
Personally, from my experiences running stock, I've wished that there are a lot of configurations that were more customizable. Most of these options are hidden away, like masking the browser user agent string. Personally, I prefer OSes that are extremely lightweight, stable and reliable with minimal cruft but still extremely customizable, even if it means that you have to put more effort than normal into making things work. Yes I'm really picky... I've found that Arch Linux suits me most on the desktop, but I'm not sure yet what ROM will suit me most. So maybe I'll end up building something myself.
But it's just like there's no single Linux distro that's the best; rather there are many different options to choose from. Diversity allows you to take a good product and make it great! Call me an idealist if you like
My current device is the Epic. After reading through this thread I'm sold. My son had been wanting my Epic for a long time. I'm going out and tomorrow and picking up a Nexus S. Thanks
To the OP: if you want to see slow development and pissed off people go visit the Epic forums. Everyone waiting on a leak or God forbid an official release. I'm envious!