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[Q] HD2 100% Android?

hey im new to these forums but i was wondering. is it possible to totally remove winmo from the hd2? like flashing it directly to the system not running it off the sd and completely getting rid of winmo altogether

Not yet.. They are still working on unlocking the nand and we still use winMO to load some of the drivers. We will get there eventually. Even so, if you run a lite rom like ChuckyDroidROM you hardly notice WinMO loading.

Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!

polo735 said:
Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!
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Please give it a rest mate. People can act without perfection sometimes.
I understand why you flamed him but get real, some people will ask questions without hours of searching, is it that bad? I mean the post will move off the first page fairly quickly if it is that uninteresting.
I actually read it with interest to the question and the answer, so I found it useful.

With the level of success I have had with my HD2 and ANdroid I would say that there are quite a few folks who probrably use Android 100% of the time now. Its certainly far enough along to have surpassed the novelty phase into a viable solution for WinMo replacement.
You WILL have to do the homework and find the build that suits you though.
Good luck.

Neo_XDA said:
Please give it a rest mate. People can act without perfection sometimes.
I understand why you flamed him but get real, some people will ask questions without hours of searching, is it that bad? I mean the post will move off the first page fairly quickly if it is that uninteresting.
I actually read it with interest to the question and the answer, so I found it useful.
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Agreed. People need to stop barking at everyone who posts a question which might have been answered somewhere else on the forum. I happen to be fairly active on this forum and read a lot, but I know not everyone has the same level of interest or time. It's not that big of a deal.

I've managed to run Android mattc FroyoSense 1.7 PPP version for 3 days now. Not sure if I want to go back to WM 6.5, but if they port WP 7 I will jump on that for sure!
I found WYSE POCKETCLOUD perfect. In WM I couldn't navigate with the touch, it would emulate a click, so pretty much all the apps I used on WM I have found on Market and most of them free.
Only thing I haven't figured out is the changing of the Wifi's Mac Address from 00:11:22:33:44:55 to the real Mac address. But I am about to start the search, I use Mac filtering on my router and don't really want to open that mac address, you probably would guess why...? Other than that I have found everything to work except turning phone off or rebooting it. In order to reset phone (or turn off) I simply downloaded Terminal Emulator and do a su then a reboot. Works great for me.

poweroutlet said:
Agreed. People need to stop barking at everyone who posts a question which might have been answered somewhere else on the forum. I happen to be fairly active on this forum and read a lot, but I know not everyone has the same level of interest or time. It's not that big of a deal.
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Seconded. It makes me really mad when new people get *****ed out over this. We were ALL noobs once, and we wouldn't be as experienced as we are now if some forum grouch had chased us away just for asking a simple question. Makes me wonder how many would-be chefs & devs have been run off by the search nazis. I'm sure that most people do search first, but often don't know the exact terms to search for & therefore don't find the results they're looking for. I know that *I* wouldn't have known to look up "NAND" in reference to this very question until a week or so ago. Lighten up, people.
*steps off soapbox*
That said, its only a matter of time before the chefs come out with a fully flashable android build. In the meantime though, it is entirely possible to use android as your full-time OS. I've been using Shubcraft for over a week now & it's comparable to any native android phone. Like dantheman said, chuckydroid rom is great if you're wanting to do an 99.9% android setup. It's what I've got, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wants to do a more 50/50 configuration as chuckydroid is VERY lightweight. It's missing a lot of standard winmo options & its basically just the barebones minimum needed just to startup & boot to android.

I would like to point something out. When you search here on XDA it does a Google search and like pointed out in previous post, you need to do an ADVANCED search (the little
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icon) because that actually gives you better results. You can even go to a thread or device forum and search within the forum or thread, which would be the appropriate way.

polo735 said:
Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!
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And you need to take it easy dude...

Hey, I agree we were all noobs once, but this really isn't to hard answer to find, I found it on my first (advanced) search using basic terms such as "android", "flash" and "internal" etc etc (Nope, i didn't even use NAND!). Hell, it only took me a couple more normal searches to find the stuff i needed (again, didn't use NAND!)
the search Nazis can be helpful if you listen to them, and besides, it probably takes longer to write out your new thread OP than wait the thirty seconds to re-search

Alisha said:
And you need to take it easy dude...
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To all those "take it easy dude" members
There is a reason for the search function and a reason why the same question over and over again causes such nausea.
Firstly, searching is a fundamantal step in amassing basic knowledge and, as XDA is awash with just that, failing to do it will lead to missguided understanding. And it's a sign of laziness and an affront to those members who have searched and studied hard to get their expertise.
Secondly, it's a turn off for those who would otherwise assist with problems/questions that can't be answered with a simple search.
There is a serious and almost academic ethos to XDA and that is what has made it such a mine of information and also an assembly point for some of the greatest ROM developers that exist.
If XDA breaks down in this regard then we all loose, big time. Some long established members have already jumped ship and althought they continue in their work they have chosen other routes by which to share it.
I see this as a loss, but, I do understand their motives.
A small modicum of understanding this will continue the tradition and it all begins with SEARCH.
Remember this is all free.

I think they should just ban all those people who pick on other ones. This used to be a nice place, stop whining and take your discussion elsewhere. Let XDA stay a friendly community and don't scr-w things up for everyone! My 2 cents. I think we all know what google is now <_< not everyone knows what NAND is.. So let this guy ask his question.
To the question: it might be possible in the (near) future, it's called NAND, but it's not yet available. It's still under development. have a nice day

To be honest with you, I am fairly new to all this Android stuff, taken me a while to get into the different terminology from windows mobile world, I was too afraid to ask a lot of question son here due to being flamed, shame as I have been on this community for ages in the touch HD section.
I would say the HD2 is 100% Android and Windows mobile.
and windows mobile has its hang ups, in fact probably more than the occasional Android ones, its fantastic to be able to have both on one device, correct me if I am wrong but this is the only device to be able to run both yes?

thank for everyone who actually tried to answer my question and also defend my question. and to those who are complaining about me asking my question...I was at work when i posted that and i work two jobs so sorry if i dont got all day to spend on the pc searching. i have two jobs and a family sorry i dont live on the pc like some people here

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truthkillszz said:
hey im new to these forums but i was wondering. is it possible to totally remove winmo from the hd2? like flashing it directly to the system not running it off the sd and completely getting rid of winmo altogether
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Well the devs here are awesome first off they will pull it off im sure (flashing to NAND) but why would you want just android? i understand wanting to use the sd card as a sd card or even speed but just having android seems like well you should get an android phone. i personally like having the choice winmo does some things very well android does others very well. I enjoy switching at will i would LOVE NAND but i would also like to run both when i want. Is that a possibility if it does get flashed to internal memory can winmo still be used some how when i want or will it be one or the other? i wonder?

Hmmmmm HD2 has only got 512mb Rom.....soooo probably not! I don't know about the UD version, they could get lucky But generally a custom rom takes up around 200mb, so it COULD be possible, although an internal dualboot system would have to be installed in the phone's rom which is not touched by rom formatting....unless it is re-installed after every WinMo and Android rom update. oooo I love my HD2, so many possibilities! No phone's this fun and customisable!

zephr5 said:
Well the devs here are awesome first off they will pull it off im sure (flashing to NAND) but why would you want just android? i understand wanting to use the sd card as a sd card or even speed but just having android seems like well you should get an android phone. i personally like having the choice winmo does some things very well android does others very well. I enjoy switching at will i would LOVE NAND but i would also like to run both when i want. Is that a possibility if it does get flashed to internal memory can winmo still be used some how when i want or will it be one or the other? i wonder?
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See i honestly dont like winmo the only reason i got this phone was cuz i got it for an even trade with my mytouch slide on craigs list and this is the only 1ghz snapdragon phone with such a nice screen on tmo besides the nexus one which is ridiculously hard to get over here by me
Elemental_Fire said:
Hmmmmm HD2 has only got 512mb Rom
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Actually from what I read there are two versions to the HD2. I know i have the 1024mb rom version tho

I simply don't get why there are so many useless ROMs

the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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I think these developers do a great job and have revolutionised Android roms. But I have to say I do agree with you to some degree. I think the fault is not with the Developers (give them credit for trying) but in fact the fault is with the big Fat Cats of the world like Google, HTC, Sony Ericsson etc who so easily could invent a great Android rom if they wanted to. I guess money talks!

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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I agree to some extent, with the ROMs which claim to be 'based on Hyperdroid' or 'based on NDT MIUI' but are, in actual fact, just those ROMs with some APKs edited, but if people have built their own ROM from scratch then they have a right to post in the dev section even if they aren't of 'developer' status.

lol...there is like 8-9 different Miui ROMs on first 2 pages.... all of them pretty much the same as original and only 2 are from real devs that actually know what they are doing....extra 6 useless ROMs are just taking space

To make it short, agreed.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
Sent from my Desire HD

mzebrowski13 said:
I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
Sent from my Desire HD
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Sorry but you make no sense...
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well

mzebrowski13 said:
I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
Sent from my Desire HD
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old maybe.. history not for a long time
the hd2 is bettor then 99 percent of all the other phones out there
since you seem to think its history
maybe you should sell it to someone that would appreciate it
and move onto somewhere else

seanyuan62 said:
To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well
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Very good idea. I think this would work.

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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All the roads and car Parks where I live get full of teens with custom body kits on their cars.
WHY MUST THEY ALL ALTER THEIR PERFECTLY WORKING CARS? ? CAN'T THEY ALL JUST DRIVE THE SAME CAR!
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The whole point of xda is taking things that already exist and tweaking them, then releasing the results back to the community, where it may or may not get re-tweaked and re released.
The dev section would be almost empty if only original builds were allowed, and we'd all be using one of three or four options,,, ,dull.

Nigeldg said:
Very good idea. I think this would work.
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Of course, the next problem would be our HD2 section having a million sub-forums lol...

seanyuan62 said:
Of course, the next problem would be our HD2 section having a million sub-forums lol...
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hahahahahahahahahahaha true.....
All the people out there that they are developing or they are Trying to develop on HD2 have the right to give it a try cause you see...... ANDROID OS its Open-source that means everyone can try it... so who are you to judge the half xda (cause they are not all perfect programmers around here)???
Show me your work and i will respect your words
Always with respect and friendly speaking
Peace all over dudes of XDA!

Dakargr said:
hahahahahahahahahahaha true.....
All the people out there that they are developing or they are Trying to develop on HD2 have the right to give it a try cause you see...... ANDROID OS its Open-source that means everyone can try it... so who are you to judge the half xda (cause they are not all perfect programmers around here)???
Show me your work and i will respect your words
Always with respect and friendly speaking
Peace all over dudes of XDA!
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I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.

Nigeldg said:
I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.
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:O my mistake then...!!
Hmm then i think i will agree with you for the two sub-forums

Searching for a good ROM on the Development section feels like this :
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However, better than nothing, prior to the summer, development was dead...

seanyuan62 said:
To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well
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I love this idea. I very much like the openness of Android and agree everyone should be able to tailor their Android devices to their own wishes. HOWEVER, the current situation is very much overwhelming.

Nigeldg said:
I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.
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how are they cluttering up the the dev forum? id rather see more people trying to help and keep the hd2 alive than see it die off due to people saying that their work isnt appreciated.
thats why there is a set naming convention in the dev forum, so you can see from the title what the rom is based on

But how to decide what's original and what's just tweaked? All the cm7 builds for example, are based off a single rom for a different phone, so do they count as original, or tweaked skinned rereleases?

Richy99 said:
how are they cluttering up the the dev forum? id rather see more people trying to help and keep the hd2 alive than see it die off due to people saying that their work isnt appreciated.
thats why there is a set naming convention in the dev forum, so you can see from the title what the rom is based on
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Looking down the thread titles in the dev sections right now, you cannot argue that there are too many ROMs which are all pretty much the same but with different kernels, or a few tweaks etc. I agree that this is infinitely better than the period before the Summer where there was almost no development, but I don't think that there should be so many of the same thing in the main forum. I agree with seanyuan62, there should be two different NAND development forums.
Also, your point about work not being appreciated isn't true at all, the work is still appreciated just as much, nobody is saying that we don't want those ROMs, just that they should be in a separate forum.
Take, as a good example, Dorimanx's ROM. It is simply Typhoon but skinned and tweaked for better performance from my understanding (APOLOGIES IF I'M WRONG) but is clearly appreciated hugely.
As for the naming thing, it isn't necessarily too clear, all have the Android version, Sense version, date, and whatever else there is in the titles, but it isn't easy to see what each ROM has to it which is unique to that ROM. It is also far too easy to BS in the title (one is advertised as 'the fastest HD2 ROM'.
I think that the 2 sub-forum thing is a much better idea (it could even potentially increase the number of ROMs being created) and hopefully the great devs wouldn't take it the wrong way if it were to be put in place.

I Find it Absolutely Hilarious...

...that the Chinese board where we're getting a few ROMs from, is incredibly popular. We are the second most popular HTC device there, if not the most popular one at all, and we're obviously only trailing behind the HTC Desire. With almost 9k topics, and 351k posts, this board's buzzing with activity!
http://bbs.anzhi.com/
Now, now, don't assume I'm very biased and saying that XDA should be the primary home of all development, regardless of platform and manufacturer. That's a horrible thing to say, and it would hurt me if anyone said so. I'm just merely comparing this noteworthy find of a forum with the fact that the HTC Legend is pretty much approaching legacy-status in terms of development. Yet the enthusiasm possessed by this community is substantial. Unfortunately, their work goes mainly unnoticed, I've seen. Maybe the ICS ROM was worth a mention to make its way to our shores, but once you've seen the developments that are offered, you'll be very, very intrigued.
http://bbs.anzhi.com/forum-533-1.html
For my adventure, I'm using last night's Google Chrome Canary build, with the built-in Google Translate feature, translating Chinese (simplified) to English, via Google Translate's service. I do not know more than a few phrases in the Chinese dialects, so for the sake of sharing this stuff, bear with me.
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The stickies are extremely useful, providing methods and ideas I'd never even heard of even browsing through our home here on XDA.
ROMs, being obviously popular, stay at the top of the board. But queries, experiences, and other generic discussions get posts in a day, and often-times, extend to the fourth page. Wow, this forum really is active!
http://bbs.anzhi.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4763283&page=1
Let's take a gander in a ROM's thread:
Whoa, this ROM looks like one from the original glory days of the HTC Hero!
Some heavily modified Sense ROMs lie here:
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-3834911-1-1.html
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-3821971-1-1.html
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-4678580-1-1.html
But most interesting is a functional, developer's build of Sense 3.5:
http://bbs.anzhi.com/forum.php?mod=...teline&typeid=237&typeid=237&orderby=dateline
These are just some finds that are sticking out obviously whilst quickly skimming the forum. I'm sure there are many more worthwhile developments of times past and present that I definitely might have missed, but this is where I choose to conclude tonight's adventure.
I hope I've helped create some exposure in regards to the development on the HTC Legend. Although for many of us who have/had two-year contracts, they're quickly coming to a close, and we migrate to better devices. But there are others who might be under other stressful circumstances (Canadians with those dreaded 3-year contracts), or wish to hang on to our dear Legends for a bit longer. I hope I've instilled some hope that there is a huge backing of life left in our fair Legends, and its legacy will continue to live on for a period no cellular commitment may measure.
While it may seem hopeless in browsing a foreign forum searching for your next everyday tool, or further stimulating a hobby, I can only say now that I wish only the very best for that only good things will come for the HTC Legend in this foreseeable future.
Love,
Bryan

This is awesome news, maybe some one with proper dev skills who love the legend so much they don't/won't get rid of it till its completely broken (thegrammerfreak for example )
Will find this information useful and want to convert the Chinese version rom/s for themselves (us) :-D
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Thanks for the heads up, nice to see some new ROMS this place has become very quite.
One question though, how do you download the ROMS? I have registered and translated the page but to get the download link you need to reply. I cant seem to reply as I cant figure out what verification code they are asking me fill out.
Code:
Enter the following answer to the question
"An intellectual network" before the word is the word
WTF??

Right, that's a math equation to prevent spammers from flooding the forum. Just move your mouse around the field and you'll get a simple addition/subtraction problem.

Trying out a "new legend" rom from that forum
Just finshed downloading all the files (except the kernel) and just started the flashing (brushing) process
[ ROM Release ] [Devil] 2.3.5 Second Edition | | 3.0 style | | Support ext partition | | transparent landscaping | | Updated kernel fill (September 10)
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-3833694-1-1.html
Edit:- Flashed rom, yes it's working, starts up in chinese, found settings menu, changed to english, most stuff is in chinese. Looks pretty much like a cyanogenmod or the same as the devil rom already posted in the dev. section, it has ADW launcher....

There are some nice ROMs alright. Pity that you don't have the option to change all settings to English though.

Seeing how most of the devs are from Hong Kong, some ROMs do offer an option in English, their secondary official language in government.
Sent from my Legend using XDA App

Cheers, Ill check a few more out so.

I downloaded and installed Sense theme for CM. I am not sure how to enable it. Can someone tell me how to?

Was it a patch you downloaded? If so, did you flash the .zip?
Either way, even if it was an .apk, you can find themes, and activate them, from CM's Theme Chooser app.
I can't really say much more without further detail.

Would be nice, if the ROMS were translated.

It was the 7 MB patch that i downloaded. It was the zip file, I extracted the .apk, copied it to memory card and installed them.
I cannot find it in theme chooser. How to flash the whole zip file? From the recovery menu?

I assume you would flash it like you would a patch, so it would accompany the ROM. Don't wipe anything, and just flash it.
Don't take my word for it though, I can't fully understand the translation.

Well I installed google pack that comes with CM7 like that (without wiping), I suppose thats one way to do things.

Just when I leave....
Damnit
There are tools to translate ROMs (mostly from when MIUI became popular), so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that one of these ROMs could get a home on XDA. Maybe pick a few we like, start translating (just get it into the most basic of English, then we could work it out from there) and get permission from the original dev to post a translated copy here. #justsayin'

I've already gotten permission to repost some of the ROMs, but I keep neglecting that new authority, people can just get it themselves anyway.
As for translation, some ROMs are offered in English anyway, just Ctrl + F "English".
This site is based in SAR Hong Kong, and one of its official languages is English.

A bootable, work-in-progress, no rules broken MIUI GB ROM can now be found. From the guy who brought the very early ICS ROM to XDA. Though he's more active on this forum from what I gather monitoring:
http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-5054051-1-1.html

[Q] Rom with best battery life

Hi, I'm looking forward to change my rom from stock 4.4.2 (n9005) . The question is, which rom (without bugs) ensures the best battery life? Now i get 4 full days on stock moderate usage. Thanks in advance

lajcik1 said:
Hi, I'm looking forward to change my rom from stock 4.4.2 (n9005) . The question is, which rom (without bugs) ensures the best battery life? Now i get 4 full days on stock moderate usage. Thanks in advance
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You should install the rom and test it by your self. Please respect the developers.
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Well, i haven't got that much time to install every single rom available on xda, that's why i posted here. There is nothing bad i saying which rom has best battery life, performance or etc. What's more, it's the best way to motivate programmers to develop All i want is to gather the users knowledge about this parameter.

lajcik1 said:
Well, i haven't got that much time to install every single rom available on xda, that's why i posted here. There is nothing bad i saying which rom has best battery life, performance or etc. What's more, it's the best way to motivate programmers to develop All i want is to gather the users knowledge about this parameter.
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I understand. You obviously have a busy life - who has time to check all these ROMs that the devs have spent weeks and months developing, all in their own free time without pay? Their efforts pale into insignificance in comparison to your hectic schedule, and I'm positive that your attitude is the perfect motivation. If you only had the time, you'd be making your own ROMs, right?
Like **** you would, could or can.
Grow up. Try the ROMs yourself and don't be such a spoilt brat. Everyone else does it, the only special thing about you is your attitude.

Wow such democracy here.
Go to a restaurant and ask for a pizza. The guy tells you that you have to eat 40 pizza to pick the one you like. Lololoolol.
Why try all roms and no freedom to ask. If developers don't get paid for their job why make roms then. For usual people it is just so gay. For nerds it is the norm?

I think you are misreading his point. This is a community that is built around the developers first and users after. That is how this place started. Developers help each other by troubleshooting and giving different kinds of bug reports and releasing their source codes.
The users here (us) have the benefit to try the work of these developers and perhaps help them improve and get more out of our devices. The devs don't owe us anything nor do other users.
The way this community is built is of a mutual understanding where the devs aren't responsible for teaching us how things work. Instead if we want to use their work, we should take time to learn and understanding what we are dealing with.
Many old time members and even devs get increasingly frustrated now that XDA has become so popular because of a huge amount of questions and even demands to give people what they want and give it now.
That is not how this works and this is why whenever you see questions asking people to do something you could do yourself, there will be answers telling the asker to find out for him- or herself. Laziness and demands from members that aren't even actively participating in bug reports or development are generally not received very well and you will see that this is a common occurrence here.
If you want the best out of the XDA community, then try to learn how the community works instead of asking the community to change their ways because it makes life easier for yourself.

Lol funny community then

And to use your own analogy: you go to a restaurant an ask for the best pizza. They bring you a pizza and after a few slices you realize it's the worst pizza in your life. Sure you had the right to ask them to bring what they thought was the best, but the only way of finding out if it was really the best pizza for you is trying them out yourself.
Roms are similar. Battery life varies depending on personal use, signal strength and even individual devices sometime work a bit different with the same rom. A build that gives me the best battery life might be horrible for you. Sure I could recommend it like the pizza restaurant - but the only way of knowing what's the best is to try yourself.
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Lol funny community then
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No one is forcing you to stay with a community that you think is funny because things aren't spoon fed to you. I'll only repeat this once more: this is a DEVELOPER community. Even the name implies so. This is not a place for people to take advantage of and then make demands because they want things to be easier.

akselic said:
And to use your own analogy: you go to a restaurant an ask for the best pizza. They bring you a pizza and after a few slices you realize it's the worst pizza in your life. Sure you had the right to ask them to bring what they thought was the best, but the only way of finding out if it was really the best pizza for you is trying them out yourself.
Roms are similar. Battery life varies depending on personal use, signal strength and even individual devices sometime work a bit different with the same rom. A build that gives me the best battery life might be horrible for you. Sure I could recommend it like the pizza restaurant - but the only way of knowing what's the best is to try yourself.
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No one is forcing you to stay with a community that you think is funny because things aren't spoon fed to you. I'll only repeat this once more: this is a DEVELOPER community. Even the name implies so. This is not a place for people to take advantage of and then make demands because they want things to be easier.
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Very well said.
I like the added post part
To OP :
Each rom has its own pros and cons which depends on ur need and daily usage.
If u don't have much time, I understand, we are all busy ppl here with our real life includes the devs. But at least, you can just go to android development for note 3, and read the OP of the rom thread. U will know then it is good for u or not.
What is best for me, might not best for u.
Sent from N7105, DN3 with AGNi kernel.

I want 40 pizza

It's a simple question. I didn't know it's that rude to ask.
"Sure I could recommend it like the pizza restaurant - but the only way of knowing what's the best is to try yourself."
Well, you're the chef and you must know which dish you find best in your neighbourhood. Recommend me one then. Even if you find some1 a better cook. I mostly use phone for calling, smts web via 4g. All turned off.

lajcik1 said:
It's a simple question. I didn't know it's that rude to ask.
"Sure I could recommend it like the pizza restaurant - but the only way of knowing what's the best is to try yourself."
Well, you're the chef and you must know which dish you find best in your neighbourhood. Recommend me one then. Even if you find some1 a better cook. I mostly use phone for calling, smts web via 4g. All turned off.
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Mate, it is not rude to ask this question (best rom or best whatever).
But u have to understand different ppl use differently, treat device differently also. Number of apps use inside, which apps always active, will all be different.
That's why, no such thing as the best for everyone. U will have to try which one suit u best.
U can try 1 rom this week, don't like it? Next week u change. By doing this u will know which one good for u.
Hope u understand that it is impossible for all of us to advice. As most rom here are built for best battery life. The rest depends on ur usage and apps installed.
Cheers.
Sent from N7105, DN3 with AGNi kernel.

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Mate, it is not rude to ask this question (best rom or best whatever).
But u have to understand different ppl use differently, treat device differently also. Number of apps use inside, which apps always active, will all be different.
That's why, no such thing as the best for everyone. U will have to try which one suit u best.
U can try 1 rom this week, don't like it? Next week u change. By doing this u will know which one good for u.
Hope u understand that it is impossible for all of us to advice. As most rom here are built for best battery life. The rest depends on ur usage and apps installed.
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Exactly!
The whole point is that if I tell you that X rom has the best battery life, it will be the same for you only if the conditions are identical.
- Do you live where I live?
- Do you have the exact same signal strength?
- Do you move exactly like me during your day?
- Do you have the same modem?
- Does your operator use the same frequencies?
- Do you have the same apps as me?
- Do you use the phone like I do?
Etc etc etc.
There is no answer to this question and no matter how much you want to debate this here on the forums, you could find out very easily. Guess how?
Edit: Also did you know that according to the forum rules, threads about comparisons are not allowed?

Any rom can have amazing battery life. It all depends on how the user has it set up.
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antique_sonic said:
Mate, it is not rude to ask this question (best rom or best whatever).
But u have to understand different ppl use differently, treat device differently also. Number of apps use inside, which apps always active, will all be different.
That's why, no such thing as the best for everyone. U will have to try which one suit u best.
U can try 1 rom this week, don't like it? Next week u change. By doing this u will know which one good for u.
Hope u understand that it is impossible for all of us to advice. As most rom here are built for best battery life. The rest depends on ur usage and apps installed.
Cheers.
Sent from N7105, DN3 with AGNi kernel.
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Well said my friend

Even if some one has a favorite ROM, Usually people here (On XDA) won´t tell you that they have a favorite one beacause they want to respect to the other ROMs and their Dev. It's just like that. If you want to know such kind of information, you came to the wrong place.
Thats the way the things handle here, and its true that every ROM has their pros and cons, it´s up to you choose one fits you best your needs.

omega rom..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470441

antique_sonic said:
Mate, it is not rude to ask this question (best rom or best whatever).
But u have to understand different ppl use differently, treat device differently also. Number of apps use inside, which apps always active, will all be different.
That's why, no such thing as the best for everyone. U will have to try which one suit u best.
U can try 1 rom this week, don't like it? Next week u change. By doing this u will know which one good for u.
Hope u understand that it is impossible for all of us to advice. As most rom here are built for best battery life. The rest depends on ur usage and apps installed.
Cheers.
Sent from N7105, DN3 with AGNi kernel.
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Wow
You like to like like comments

kenny1991 said:
Wow
You like to like like comments
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What's a troll. The log creature in nature?

Android 5.0 bugs

I'm using Z1 as a daily driver and when I see the same bugs in every single 5.0 rom for the Z1, then it makes me wonder about few things:
Why do you release "new" roms that share the same issues?
Why don't you team-up?
Honestly guys, I see no point at all with releasing more and more 5.0 roms that have the same bugs. Not to mention that things as MIC or CAMERA are pretty important if you want to use your phone as a daily driver.
I'm not posting this to discourage you from developing, no, what you're doing is great and I don't want you to feel bad about this post. What I'm trying to do here is to encourage all of you guys:
@krabappel2548
@NanoSurfer
@davidteri91
@jerpelea
@zhangyang_haha
(sorry if you develop 5.0 for Z1 and I did not mention you here)
To work TOGETHER to get it fixed. That's how we got 4K&120FPS after all on the Z1. That's what the XDA community is all about and that's why it was created. (propably, don't quote me here)
It will be done much faster if you do this together, one of you gets one thing working, another one that thing and we'll finally be ready to use 5.0 on our phone. Maybe some people that can't code will be able to help you with finding stuff that you have overlooked.
I don't do this to get thumbs up, duh, I don't care about that at all. What I care about is to use 5.0 on my phone everyday.
Hope you understand this.
If I mentioned you above and you read this post then please, drop a post below that you would like to collaborate on this. As soon as I will see that then I'll change the topic name to:
[DEV] MIC and CAMERA in android 5.0 and send a report to move my thread to Z1 android development. Afterwards I'll clearly state that this thread is for DEVELOPMENT ONLY and it should stay that way. Any non-development post will be reported by myself to get them removed so you'd get a clear development space.
If one of the developers above would agree to my idea and would rather create his own thread like mine to take care of it by yourself, then please, feel free to PM me when you do and I'll link it here.

There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
MOD EDIT: Please dont quote the whole OP unncessarily

Destroyedbeauty said:
There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I think of all Sony devices were the only one that does have phone and camera working which is strange.

olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?

Destroyedbeauty said:
Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?
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There are plenty of reasons. I'm not even looking at this code as I'm not that advanced. I can fix small bugs, but not those massive ones that could be anything. Just different developers got different devices and here on the Z1 forums, unfortunately there is not much stuff going on. The guys that got the Z1 don't have that much time to do this or just move to other sony devices as sony cycle is 6months until new flagship now.

Feel so sorry that i cannot write libs by myself. I'm just a college student. Accutually I am working on how to fix microphone. However, camera issue is really a hard job for me. I even do not know how to do that. Therefore, i have no idea but to wait for sony.
olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I made the AOSP rom, other people just posted a bunch of cm device tree based roms. Anyway I didn't had a lot of time last 2 weeks. But bugs should be fixable, even without Sony's 5.0 rom. Just need to have some time... Which should hopefully be next week
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I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/

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I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/
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Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.

Lord Takyon said:
Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.
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I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?

Better change thread name to "[DEV]{TEMP FIX} MIC ISSUE in All Android 5.0 ROM's" ............ That's the evilest thing i can imagine

olokos said:
I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?
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I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Lord Takyon said:
I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen
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I don't expect anything from them apart from combining their skills instead of every dev working on his own on this. They are NOT working together on this or else we would already have it done. Just look at other roms for other Z family devices. Almost all of the devs are working on their own instead of working together.
I'm not saying hurry up or "when fix mic pls" therefore I have no idea what are you talking about in here. I'm just giving them the idea of combining their skills to get it done. If there wouldn't be few devs at a time working on porting 4k&120fps then you still wouldn't have it on the Z1. I'm positive that they didn't work together. It was mostly like one dev gets a fix and shares it with other, not a cooperation, but sharing. That's different.
It doesn't happen seriously just read latest posts of krabappel... He explicitly says that he's working in his rom all by himself.
I am actually in a process of getting my own stock based rom but due to the lack of free time it's not over yet and I don't think I'd switch To AOSP because there's too much proprietary stuff in stock Sony roms. Additionally I'm not really that advanced to build roms from the base. I haven't tried yet, but my coding skills aren't enough anyway.

You missed my point lol

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You missed my point lol
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I think that you just don't get that development of android 5.0 is done by single developers for each rom with the exception of Sony and FXP. There's NO collaboration between developers in here. They do stuff on their own and don't want to collaborate for whatever reason. Getting the entire credit for a rom? Idk... Makes no sense to me...