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[Benchmark] Sprint 2.20.651.1 Based Roms

A common thing that I read on the forums is how much faster one rom is over another. Someone will claim that their rom runs much faster than others or just users will say that this one is better than another. One of my very first contributions to XDA was benchmarking every rom that was available for the HTC Mogul at that time. I decided to do the same thing for all HTC Hero roms based on the Sprint 2.20.651.1 leak. This consists of: DamagedCake 1.2b, DamageControl v2.05, DarchVanilla v2.1, Fresh Rom 2.0d, RegawMOD v2.0.2p, and untouched Stock.
Now first things first I have a statement to make. I chose to do this because I saw some people bullying others on the forums for making their own roms (I'm looking at you Regaw). I set out to run these tests to prove that every single rom based on this build would benchmark very close to the same. This means that when it boils down to it, there is basically no merit in saying that one rom is faster than another. It is simply a matter of needing to pick which one has the options already in it that you prefer. The modifications that we do to these roms will NOT dramatically speed up the core functions of the phone. It would require kernel development to actually make a real difference in the speed. Yes we can possibly make things run a little smoother and add features, but when it comes down to it, they will all be the same speed. Let me try and make my point here because I'm rambling.... I have been making roms for the Hero since November and have come to expect other people to work off of my work. It's exactly how this stuff works and is exactly what we are doing to HTC. But people typically give credit where credit is due. Then you get some people that like to go around bashing people for making a rom, yet steal work from other people without as much as a thanks. Funny again that I am talking about Regaw. You may notice that he released a patch for his rom 2.0.2p with no release notes at all as to what it fixes other than a vague mention of wifi tether. So what's in this rom?
A copy of estrongs file explorer, straight from fresh rom. Not my app at all, but still something that I have been including in fresh forever.
A copy of AutoKiller, straight from fresh rom. Again, not my app but something that has only been in fresh rom
A copy of the config file for the new XDA keyboard included in fresh rom with English and Spanish being the only languages enabled... taken straight from fresh rom
An "sdcard" folder containing above mentioned config file, taken straight from fresh rom so that it matched the line taken from the update-script.
The fix I used to make all apps show up in the market in build.prop. This fix doesn't belong to me but the way I entered it shows it was likely copy/pasted from fresh rom.
That is the entirety of the patch. He also uses my ported Espresso artwork, but that has been taken by so many roms without credit that I gave up on that. Look... I don't have a problem with regaw. And I'm really not trying to bash. My whole point of this was that every single person is entitled to make every rom that they want. So when he goes and gives someone crap for making their own rom... it really bothered me. Coincidentally, when I expected every single rom to perform about the same, his rom performed the worst on both benchmarks.
Sorry for the rant. None of this is related to the benchmarking. So let me get down to the details. Just like a dyno on a car, benchmarking is not a real world test. While the tests were consistent and what they show holds merit, I'm not saying that it doesn't mean another rom can't run smoother. But my point here was to prove that no rom is actually dramatically faster than another.
My method:
Factory wipe
Flash rom
Boot phone up and install Benchmark Pi and Neocore. Leave phone plugged in to usb and enable "stay awake while charging"
Reboot and allow phone to boot up entirely (waited for activity to stop in debugger)
Run Benchmark Pi 3 times and take the average of all 3
Reboot and allow phone to boot up entirely (waited for activity to stop in debugger)
Run Neocore 3 times (with the sound disabled) and take the average of all 3 (the only exception here was on DamagedCake. While running Neocore's 3 tests there was 1 test that was significantly lower than the other 2. I considered it a fluke and discarded it's result. I then ran it a 4th time and used that instead.)
And now I present to you the results. The "winning" rom is highlighted in red. But again, my goal was to prove that basically every rom is just about the same. Note that Benchmark Pi specifically only tests the processor where as neocore tests a lot more.
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Well there you have it. Hopefully this ends the "this rom is faster than this rom" debate, and also makes some people realize that they were acting a bit rude. Pick the rom that is customized the way you like it. Or at least close. Don't like any? Then make your own!! The more the merrier! And if you use someone's work, make sure you give them credit!
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Nice...I hate all the my roms faster than yours talk. penis swinging contest.

All I can say is thank you.

actually, i never feel that one ROM is much faster than the other. I though they are the same^^ Differeces exist only in APPs
Am i right?

david279 said:
Nice...I hate all the my roms faster than yours talk. penis swinging contest.
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I'm curious, are there any female devs out there?

wow i always said that peoples claims of "this rom is way faster then another " was all opinion and had nothing to do with any fact or true statement. glad u posted this to show others the truth behind others statements of "this is way faster". also on another note this also points at the fact that a lot of others use other peoples work and fail to give credit where credit is due. the sad part is when someone bashes another for doing it. then turns around and an hour later does it himself. i hope this is the "end all, kill all" of these two issues on the forum. these are the things that have driven a few great devs away from our forum and are convincing others to leave also. were a community and we need to work together and give credit where credit is due.

toastcfh said:
wow i always said that peoples claims of "this rom is way faster then another " was all opinion and had nothing to do with any fact or true statement. glad u posted this to show others the truth behind others statements of "this is way faster". also on another note this also points at the fact that a lot of others use other peoples work and fail to give credit where credit is due. the sad part is when someone bashes another for doing it. then turns around and an hour later does it himself. i hope this is the "end all, kill all" of these two issues on the forum. these are the things that have driven a few great devs away from our forum and are convincing others to leave also. were a community and we need to work together and give credit where credit is due.
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well said

Thanks for this

i'm glad you posted this, not only so we could see the actual results, but more because of the 'rant' part. all this bashing and whatnot... i don't even really wanna come on xda anymore. recently, i don't even use any of the ROMs... just vanilla aosp

Nice job fresh. thank you for all your hard work!
As a developer who doesn't have time to play with this stuff I really appreciate all that the developers on xda has done for this group of geeks.
I take what is available and remove what I don't want, but that wouldn't be possible with out you guys!
Stop hatin', people! If these roms don't work the way you want, make your own or go back to stock, don't sit there and complain.

Someone's got a grudge.

As soon as Fresh came out with the latest, I switched. Everything worked right off the bat. Kind of boring really!

May i suggest you add linpack to your benchmarking list. It'll show that every rom will average around 2.4 mflops without JIT, which in turn will ultimately prove that every rom is indeed the same in performance
And thanks for making this thread. it should be stickied so newbies will stop asking "which rom is better" and questions similar to that.

This is great cuz i been wonderin bout that and been readin lil remarks here and there

Funny, I was just thinking about this earlier today... Thanks Flipz... You're very well respected here on xda, and this had to be said by someone.

Yet another reason why I'm not going to release roms for the hero. Too many pissing matches and too much duplication. It's all HTC and Googles code in there. Unless your putting out AOSP with custom kernels. Sense is Sense no matter what color you change the dialer or the look of rosie or how much you optipng or zipalign. I'd like to see a combined effort to get AOSP eclair running 100%. There are some great devs here but a little too much ego going on.

To everyone I offended, specifically blankd3ckskat3r and flipz,
I sincerely apologize for everything I said that was wrong and hurtful to the other great roms/makers. My rom was the worst out of all of them, so I shouldn't even had said anything. I never meant to hurt anyone, really I came here with great intentions. For the first time ever, I found somewhere where I was respected, liked, sought out for for help. I never had a place, even in real life, where that actually was true, due to me being an easy target. I realize now looking back that I should have never let myself say any of those things I did.
I should not have posted that post on blankd3ckskat3's thread. I wrote that originally for it not to come out sounding mean, just wondering why another was coming out of the same build, but looking back on it, it's horrible. I don't know what I was thinking. Anyone can do anything they want. It's just been a horrible week for me (personal things) and I was just really frustrated with life in general.
And for the credit. I am sorry flipz. I owe a lot of credit to you which I haven't given. I know it doesn't matter now, because you had to say something first, but I am sorry that I gave nothing. I did use your EStrongs explorer and Autokiller. I would have prefered to use Astro, but it expired 2 days ago. Besides the point. i saw the sdcard folder in your zip and it made me realize that i had forgotten to put that config file in my original 1.3 rom. The Spanish and english ones were the only ones set in the default config file downloaded from xda in the new keyboard zip, but since i had checked out your rom, i used that one since I had deleted the keyboard zip. I did use stuff from your rom like the apks and config file, I'm sorry I didn't say anything to everyone in my thread. I had seen that .fingerprint in DarchLegend, but forgotten where exactly I had seen it, so when I saw it on yours, I decided to implement it then, in the patch that i released. I wish I would have given more credit to you all, I will now, but it's more than likely too late.
I don't want this to go on any more sounding like I'm just justifying my position (which looking over now, it actually does), It's an apology. I am not very good with words (as you can probably tell), and I wish I was right now.
I guess I just wasn't ready for this stuff yet. I tried my best, and I messed up badly, getting everyone mad at me. I'm truly sorry for what I said and did.
-Dan

regaw_leinad said:
To everyone I offended, specifically blankd3ckskat3r and flipz,
I sincerely apologize for everything I said that was wrong and hurtful to the other great roms/makers. My rom was the worst out of all of them, so I shouldn't even had said anything. I never meant to hurt anyone, really I came here with great intentions. For the first time ever, I found somewhere where I was respected, liked, sought out for for help. I never had a place, even in real life, where that actually was true, due to me being an easy target. I realize now looking back that I should have never let myself say any of those things I did.
I should not have posted that post on blankd3ckskat3's thread. I wrote that originally for it not to come out sounding mean, just wondering why another was coming out of the same build, but looking back on it, it's horrible. I don't know what I was thinking. Anyone can do anything they want. It's just been a horrible week for me (personal things) and I was just really frustrated with life in general.
And for the credit. I am sorry flipz. I owe a lot of credit to you which I haven't given. I know it doesn't matter now, because you had to say something first, but I am sorry that I gave nothing. I did use your EStrongs explorer and Autokiller. I would have prefered to use Astro, but it expired 2 days ago. Besides the point. i saw the sdcard folder in your zip and it made me realize that i had forgotten to put that config file in my original 1.3 rom. The Spanish and english ones were the only ones set in the default config file downloaded from xda in the new keyboard zip, but since i had checked out your rom, i used that one since I had deleted the keyboard zip. I did use stuff from your rom like the apks and config file, I'm sorry I didn't say anything to everyone in my thread. I had seen that .fingerprint in DarchLegend, but forgotten where exactly I had seen it, so when I saw it on yours, I decided to implement it then, in the patch that i released. I wish I would have given more credit to you all, I will now, but it's more than likely too late.
I don't want this to go on any more sounding like I'm just justifying my position (which looking over now, it actually does), It's an apology. I am not very good with words (as you can probably tell), and I wish I was right now.
I guess I just wasn't ready for this stuff yet. I tried my best, and I messed up badly, getting everyone mad at me. I'm truly sorry for what I said and did.
-Dan
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Thank you.
And in case it wasn't obvious, this thread was going to exist even before those issues. But then while I was working on flashing all the different roms... things came up. If I may offer any assistance, the only real difference in your rom is the status bar monitor thing. I didn't actually look in to it at all, but it's the only explanation I see as to why yours wouldn't perform the same as others.
Stay in the community. Help out. Release roms. We need as much variety as we can get. But give credit where credit is due, respect everyone, and have fun.

regaw... don't beat yourself up... you owned up to it... move on.... i am pretty sure he is just trying to discourage flaming/trolling, and encourage more unity so that we don't lose anymore devs... i hope you will not be discouraged from deving anymore. learn from your mistakes, keep working hard, and move on.

flipzmode said:
Thank you.
And in case it wasn't obvious, this thread was going to exist even before those issues. But then while I was working on flashing all the different roms... things came up. If I may offer any assistance, the only real difference in your rom is the status bar monitor thing. I didn't actually look in to it at all, but it's the only explanation I see as to why yours wouldn't perform the same as others.
Stay in the community. Help out. Release roms. We need as much variety as we can get. But give credit where credit is due, respect everyone, and have fun.
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Im only qouting the part about the system tray monitor thing. It is most definitly the problem, I had it from an old rom in my ext partion(I didnt notice). I ran a benchmark of my own and I couldnt get any lower then 13650ish. I read your post and then deleted the system tray apk and i just got 12896.
It wasnt running on any of my benchmarks but it went way down once deleted.

[Kitchen-ROM] Kitchen Cleaner v1.0 1/30/2011

Kitchen Cleaner
Features
- Removes Samsung keyboard, bluetooth.apk (printing over bluetooth), Browser22.apk, divx.apk (for registering), FactoryTest.apk, lcdtest.apk, OTA apps, TTS, signin.apk (samsung login), Soundplayer.apk, Google Talk, Touchwiz calculator, vpnservices.apk, wlantest.apk, and shutdown animation.
- Clean Black Theme with parts taken from 3 other themes and a little of my own work
-- Black-theme modded MMS
-- Black-theme modded Marketplace
-- Black-theme modded Phone/Contacts
-- Black-theme modded Calculator
-- 4 lockscreens
-- accurate battery mod
-- extended power menu
- default black wallpaper
- black-themed WP7 style gingerbread keyboard
- hosts ad-blocking
- Xan's Voltage Control app 3.0 Final
- Suckerpunch OC/UV Kernel #32 100HZ
- Call Log no longer shows MMS messages.
- Lag-Free Gallery.
- di11igaf's browser fix.
- ZNKP1 modem for amazing battery life.
- Correct build.prop.fingerprint for protected apps.
Download links removed.

INSTALLATION
If you are coming from another ROM that uses speedmod, suckerpunch, or a kernel with Universal Lagfix, then you should be able to just flash right on top of it from CWM. This ROM will WIPE all data on your internal SD card.
Otherwise, I recommend that you ODIN back to stock/Master Clear, and then flash this rom in clockwork recovery.
1. Flash a ROM created in Doc's Rom Kitchen, preferably the one I have provided.
2. After rebooting, then flash the Kitchen Cleaner.
3. After rebooting, feel free to go back into recovery to enable lagfix and tweaks.
4. Enjoy!
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There's already a kitchen/custom rom thread that Borg maintains. Considering this is Docs base did he sign off on this? I only ask because others have done this have since closed the thread.
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Well it is his base, but it has been changed a pretty good bit.

Agreed but that's the whole idea of the kitchen though. Good luck dude. Best to give Doc a heads up though, it's only right.
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I'm not trying to say I did all this by myself, I even wrote in the topic that I AM NOT A DEV. I will let Doc know about this thread though.

why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.

bames said:
why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.
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Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...) and got the okay from them (didn't do that, but s'all good), then they're in the clear.
On to the ROM: Seems like an okay idea. I'm assuming there aren't really any bugs... but for those who'd want to start from the bottom up, or just stay at the bottom, this is a good idea (though the bottom up is why we have the ROM Kitchen lol).

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Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...), then they're in the clear.
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I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title.
Seriously...its just free advertising and props for a really cool concept/dev/customization tool (the kitchen) that might inspire other members to play with and utilize it which i would imagine was the desired end result of its creators.

If anyone is interested, I can make 2 versions of the rom. One with absolute basics (70-ish MB) and this one (115-ish MB).
I think the kitchen was the best thing to happen, all I wanted to do was share something that made me really happy. I don't care about the credit or the fame.

bames said:
I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining...
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
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bames said:
....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title..
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+1 Thread Title; +1 stop the negativity and flame
I would suggest we propose a blanket solution via thread Title format change to Doc&Stef and Captainkrtek:
Thread Title:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx : CleanFreak v0.9....."
Attempt to get permission and keep working. It seems that borguesian also released GingerBorgMod in this same spirit.
In fact maybe that means that the thread title should read
:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx :Gingerborgmod- CleanFreak v0.9....."
One desire of mine is that we continue to develop knowledge about the kitchens functionality and facilitate development of the Captivate side of it.
I think Cappy users are using the kitchen and not talking about the results anywhere. Bad step-children to the I9000.

I'll change the thread title, and I agree I think using the Kitchen allows fresh thoughts and perspectives. Maybe someone like me will make a ROM and come up with something that no one ever would have thought of without the ROM Kitchen allowing them a chance to make their own ROM.

bames said:
I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough
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I made my post clearly stating that the OP had done almost everything right, and there was no reason to "beat him up". No one in this thread was or is whining or beating him up for anything, because he did give credit. lrs just warned him because he hadn't contacted and gotten permission from the owner of the Kitchen and didn't want anything bad to happen. I think that Doc is generous enough in the fact that it doesn't put a "MADE IN DOC'S KITCHEN" bootanimation.zip on every one of its ROMs that it generates, so I think it's safe to say that it'd be respectful and kind to at least ask Doc if he could publish a ROM made in his kitchen.
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
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^ Agreed.

Also, I'd just like to point out that just because it was made in the Kitchen does not mean that I did not put a lot of effort into this ROM. Yes, it has parts taken from other ROMs, I am not denying that fact. Just try to look past all of that and focus on what open source is really about, sharing ideas and resources openly in order to improve upon what we already have.

lrs421 said:
Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.
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"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement on my part. My apologies as i didn't intend to offend or specifically point a finger at you. Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were.
It just seems people can't resist the urge to put their two cents in with follow ups saying "this isn't your rom" or your "using someone else's base" when the user has already stated such in their OP thread and directed credit to the proper source.
If someone creates their own base and utilizes another members theme...stating such and giving proper credit in the op wouldn't it be redundant if half the posters felt the need to point out "thats not your theme" when that fact is already in the OP.
I agree best solution is for Doc's Kitchen Base to be referenced in the thread title.

Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.

Not for nothing, that dailer is sick. Minus the video call option .
As I said originally, good luck!

rootnik said:
Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.
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I agree he did nothing wrong and in a previous instance i saw someone post a similar thread giving proper credit to the kitchen and he was actually flamed pretty badly.
My suggestion is for those who use the kitchen is to posted the Kitchen Base Credit in the thread title.
Maybe Doc can specify in the OP what he would prefer to see included in the thread title from those who repost roms created with the kitchen?

bames said:
"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement ... Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were..
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I also certainly didn't mean to emphasize that anyone had been mean, other than lingering reaction to another threads sentiment.
It can get dangerously like a a schoolchilds playground here with everyone trying to oust people from their clique. I am sure that there are a scant few parents here, but I am highly sensitized to people acting that way. I know too, as adults we tend to be defensive of the sweat we put into things. As schoolchildren or adults, we need to learn to be less defensive and more inclusive.
Teambuilding and leadership.

I simply don't get why there are so many useless ROMs

the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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I think these developers do a great job and have revolutionised Android roms. But I have to say I do agree with you to some degree. I think the fault is not with the Developers (give them credit for trying) but in fact the fault is with the big Fat Cats of the world like Google, HTC, Sony Ericsson etc who so easily could invent a great Android rom if they wanted to. I guess money talks!

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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I agree to some extent, with the ROMs which claim to be 'based on Hyperdroid' or 'based on NDT MIUI' but are, in actual fact, just those ROMs with some APKs edited, but if people have built their own ROM from scratch then they have a right to post in the dev section even if they aren't of 'developer' status.

lol...there is like 8-9 different Miui ROMs on first 2 pages.... all of them pretty much the same as original and only 2 are from real devs that actually know what they are doing....extra 6 useless ROMs are just taking space

To make it short, agreed.
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I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
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mzebrowski13 said:
I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
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Sorry but you make no sense...
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To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well

mzebrowski13 said:
I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
Sent from my Desire HD
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old maybe.. history not for a long time
the hd2 is bettor then 99 percent of all the other phones out there
since you seem to think its history
maybe you should sell it to someone that would appreciate it
and move onto somewhere else

seanyuan62 said:
To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well
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Very good idea. I think this would work.

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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All the roads and car Parks where I live get full of teens with custom body kits on their cars.
WHY MUST THEY ALL ALTER THEIR PERFECTLY WORKING CARS? ? CAN'T THEY ALL JUST DRIVE THE SAME CAR!
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The whole point of xda is taking things that already exist and tweaking them, then releasing the results back to the community, where it may or may not get re-tweaked and re released.
The dev section would be almost empty if only original builds were allowed, and we'd all be using one of three or four options,,, ,dull.

Nigeldg said:
Very good idea. I think this would work.
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Of course, the next problem would be our HD2 section having a million sub-forums lol...

seanyuan62 said:
Of course, the next problem would be our HD2 section having a million sub-forums lol...
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hahahahahahahahahahaha true.....
All the people out there that they are developing or they are Trying to develop on HD2 have the right to give it a try cause you see...... ANDROID OS its Open-source that means everyone can try it... so who are you to judge the half xda (cause they are not all perfect programmers around here)???
Show me your work and i will respect your words
Always with respect and friendly speaking
Peace all over dudes of XDA!

Dakargr said:
hahahahahahahahahahaha true.....
All the people out there that they are developing or they are Trying to develop on HD2 have the right to give it a try cause you see...... ANDROID OS its Open-source that means everyone can try it... so who are you to judge the half xda (cause they are not all perfect programmers around here)???
Show me your work and i will respect your words
Always with respect and friendly speaking
Peace all over dudes of XDA!
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I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.

Nigeldg said:
I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.
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:O my mistake then...!!
Hmm then i think i will agree with you for the two sub-forums

Searching for a good ROM on the Development section feels like this :
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However, better than nothing, prior to the summer, development was dead...

seanyuan62 said:
To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well
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I love this idea. I very much like the openness of Android and agree everyone should be able to tailor their Android devices to their own wishes. HOWEVER, the current situation is very much overwhelming.

Nigeldg said:
I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.
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how are they cluttering up the the dev forum? id rather see more people trying to help and keep the hd2 alive than see it die off due to people saying that their work isnt appreciated.
thats why there is a set naming convention in the dev forum, so you can see from the title what the rom is based on

But how to decide what's original and what's just tweaked? All the cm7 builds for example, are based off a single rom for a different phone, so do they count as original, or tweaked skinned rereleases?

Richy99 said:
how are they cluttering up the the dev forum? id rather see more people trying to help and keep the hd2 alive than see it die off due to people saying that their work isnt appreciated.
thats why there is a set naming convention in the dev forum, so you can see from the title what the rom is based on
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Looking down the thread titles in the dev sections right now, you cannot argue that there are too many ROMs which are all pretty much the same but with different kernels, or a few tweaks etc. I agree that this is infinitely better than the period before the Summer where there was almost no development, but I don't think that there should be so many of the same thing in the main forum. I agree with seanyuan62, there should be two different NAND development forums.
Also, your point about work not being appreciated isn't true at all, the work is still appreciated just as much, nobody is saying that we don't want those ROMs, just that they should be in a separate forum.
Take, as a good example, Dorimanx's ROM. It is simply Typhoon but skinned and tweaked for better performance from my understanding (APOLOGIES IF I'M WRONG) but is clearly appreciated hugely.
As for the naming thing, it isn't necessarily too clear, all have the Android version, Sense version, date, and whatever else there is in the titles, but it isn't easy to see what each ROM has to it which is unique to that ROM. It is also far too easy to BS in the title (one is advertised as 'the fastest HD2 ROM'.
I think that the 2 sub-forum thing is a much better idea (it could even potentially increase the number of ROMs being created) and hopefully the great devs wouldn't take it the wrong way if it were to be put in place.

[GUIDE] How to Flash a Rom and Survive

You are bored stiff waiting for Samsung to release the official Rom. You just can't stand it any longer, and are determined to give one of the custom Rom builds a try. Fine.
I'm writing this to help you to survive this dangerous journey.
Decision Making Time
First off, you have to decide what do you want your future Rom to have. You can choose between two general types of Roms.
Touchwiz based Roms
They are very close to what you have got when you bought your Note. All the Samsung addons are there, including S-Memo, Clock Package etc.
AOSP/AOKP/CM based Roms
All the Sumsung apps are chucked out of here. Sumsung stuff is generally replaced by the similar apps from the Market.
Now, let us say you have reached your decesion about the general type of Rom. What to do next?
Pre-Flashing and Flashing Time
What to do
1. Make rounds through the Development forum, and read what each Rom from your broad choice has to offer. It's the same thing as when buying shoes; you don't purchase the first pair you come across, now do you?
In other words, try to make an informed decision about which particular Rom you want to have.
2. You have chosen, and are eager to download and flash. Hold your horses, though. Do the following:
a) read about the prerequisites. They are typically listed in the 1st post of the thread (OP). Here you will learn what conditions your present situation needs to fulfill prior to flashing.
Sometimes things have to be flashed/implemented before the final flash. Find out about it and do it.
b) read the installation instructions (OP)
c) read the bugs list, just to be sure. Perhaps some features that you desperately need are not yet functional. If that is the case, move to another Rom.
d) read the last 5-10 thread pages. There's always a chance that something new has happened and the Dev didn't yet have the time to update the OP (some bug has been fixed, a new one discovered)
e) download everything you need
f) repeat b)
g) repeat b) once more, just in case
h) flash, following the installation instructions to the letter. The Dev has spent countless hours perfecting your future Rom, and tested, tested, tested every possible scenario. When he says that things have to be done in a certain way, he is always right.
i) reboot once it's done
j) all has gone well, pour yourself a drink
What to do to make sure your flash fails miserably
a) don't read the instructions
b) read the instructions, but cut corners: "WTF, this step is unnecessary, I'll just skip it!"
c) read the instructions, but decide that you know better, and invent a set of your own: "What does he know anyway, I know it can be done my way."
d) don't read the bug list; this is a sure-fire way to become a proud owner of a brand new, functional and fully-rooted Rom that doesn't meet your needs: "Where dafuq is (whatever) feature?"
When you do a), b) or c) get on your merry way to Q & A forum to start your very own
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When you do d), off you go to flash another Rom.
SO.DON'T.DO.IT!
Post-Flashing Time (Thread, Here I Come!)
Your flash went well, there's no hiccups, you are rooted and happily playing with your shiny new toy. Excellent.
However, you'll soon want to voice your excited opinions and questions in the Rom thread. Be careful, be very careful; thread jungle is teaming with natives of all kinds. Majority of residents are creatures foraging for information - these are harmless. But - there's always a but - some serious carnivores are also there, make sure not to provoke them, or it'll be your life on the line.
Of course, there's the Dev, but his is a God-like presence and therefore not to be feared; he is a mysterious, aloof creature who doesn't interact much with the Thread Natives, for two principal reasons: 1. too busy developing, and 2. rightfully cannot be bothered to answer the same questions asked time and again. Thread Elders (or Veterans or Mums - those who know their way around and guide and help the foragers) are there to take care of that for him.
What to do
First and foremost, be kind and polite. You badly need Rom-managing information from people who have been running it for ages, and know your Rom inside and out. You'll get nothing if you are demanding or rude.
Before asking a question try to see if it's already been answered.
Do a thread search.
It only takes a minute, and you'll be surprised how much information you'll gather that way. Lots and lots of questions have been asked hundreds of times before. Don't expose yourself to ridicule (or worse) if you ask it for a 101st time.
Before reporting a bug, see if it is already listed in the bug list. Predators get very excited when you do such a report, and ugly things can happen.
Don't ask for ETA. It's pure bad manners. Always remember that the Dev is doing his magic in his own free time and at zero costs to you. Respect that; your update will come when it comes.
Try not to provoke people by asking for things that are NOT supported by the Rom. That just shows that you never bothered to read the basic information in the OP.
Try to learn as much as possible so you can start helping other people. XDA lives by that code.
What to do to get yourself killed or worse
1. When on AOSP Rom ask for TouchWiz (TW) features, and vice-versa. They'll eat you alive.
2. As mentioned above, ask for ETA. Lynching party guaranteed.
3. Demand stuff. "I want (whatever), and I want it now!1!" This is a capital offence. The nearest thread elder will start to take you apart immediately.
4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit.
5. Say "My previous Rom is much better than this one." See 4.
6. Start posting the same question in multiple threads. Someone on the prowl is bound to spot it, and you're dead.
7. Post a question in your thread, and re-post it 5 minutes later when no-one responds. You'll get a sound thrashing six-of-the-best style.
8. Never do thread searches, just ask what's bugging you ATM. See 7.
9. Visit the ICS thread of your choice and post: "I wanna flash this. Now, how do I root my GB first to get here?" They'll set rabid dogs on you.
10. Post stuff that will confuse the noobs. Like this: "The Dev says we are to install the Rom like this. But I have found an alternative way..." See 7.
11. Ask in and X-Rom thread: "What is better, X or Y Rom?" You'll get trampled to within an inch of your life.
12. Ask for the info that is posted in the Dev's OP: "How do I flash this...?", or "Does this Rom have (insert feature)...?" This carries a serious risk of you getting drawn and quartered on the spot.
13. Report a bug that is listed in the Dev's OP. See 12.
14. Quote a post with tons of pictures, so everybody has to scroll half a mile down to see what you have to say, then proclaim: "I love it!!1!" or "+1!" See 7.
15. Provide incorrect information with great confidence: "Can you use an ICS kernel on JB? Sure, bro, no problems!" Severity of punishment might vary according to the degree of damage done.
16. Lurk in the thread until the Dev announces that the new v13b is up. Wait 2 more minutes, then post: "What's the battery life like in v13b, guys...?" Electrocution ensues.
17. Post "Why my USB not work...?", but fail to tell them which version and kernel you are running, and what have you tried to do to resolve the issue. They'll just move along past you, ignoring you completely.
You get my drift.
Happy flashing and forum participation.

Assuming you and the guy linked below are related or great minds think alike.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1640510

Everything is covered in this thread, however I will re-state the "SEARCH" option.
Do it.
Do it again with a different phrase.
Do it a third time with another phrase. FIGURE IT OUT, BECAUSE 9 out of 10 TIMES IT HAS BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY.
Otherwise you will suffer the repercussions. You have been warned.

This thread should be stickied in every section of the Note Forum!
Nicely done and exceptionally written my friend

My addition...
to the What to do to get yourself killed or worse`....
Example: Do not post in the Stunner thread......what is better CM9 or Stunner? Or gloating about what CM9 does or doesn't do..... in a Stunner thread. Want info on another build...check out the respective thread for it. They are there for a reason.
MY biggie is...(in favor of both the noobs and veterans)
Let's not have everyone post their steps to flashing a rom. It is posted in the OP..for a reason. If you are unclear...we make ONE explanation. Not ten...ten leads to confused noobs and pissed off veterans...repetitive questions abound. I also say this because I have seen plenty of people posting WRONG methods to flash and they have partial root and are stuck. Not to mention, those searching have now uncovered the WRONG method and they become stuck, more questions.
...may come up with more later!

Thanks T, will be adding to the OP, but a little later (watching snooker now).
Anyway, this is a work in progress, everyone feel free to comment.

Awesome! Great work Chas
9. Don't ask how to root. There's already a thread about this in the Dev section.
10. Read, read and read some more before you ask about something.

Seems like a lot of hard work Chas!! Well I guess now we will see couple of less (Confused)goats wandering in the wilderness!! And lesser getting sacrificed on the alter!!
A must sticky!!
Cheers!!

No, this won't help. Noobs are noobs for a reason. They can't read and it's their first time on the interwebs.
Sadly they won't even notice this thread
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LordManhattan said:
No, this won't help. Noobs are noobs for a reason. They can't read and it's their first time on the interwebs.
Sadly they won't even notice this thread
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Buzz killer

Nice thread ,helpful to many noobs
And it gave me some good laughing
Very nice Chas keep it up +1

A very good thread, i hope every note user, new or non-new should read this.
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matius44 said:
Buzz killer
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I know i know Sorry!
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very useful~~~ thanks a lot.

Thanks chas !
Perfectly explained !
PM sent to @original_ganjaman , requesting [if possible] , to an "sticky promote"

OP updated as suggested and some new stuff added.

Golden !!!
chasmodo said:
OP updated as suggested and some new stuff added.
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This one is Golden. A gem.
This goes sticky in the forums and in my signature Thanks friend for it !!
e.g.1
One question - I am running a AOSP or KP (whatever) rom and i cant have S Memo in it and my SPen doesn't capture the screenshot when i press the button and hold.
Man i read through all the threads and couldn't find an answer! Phew 850 odd pages man...........
Make this in BOLD. No matter how much long the post is...READ if fully....every single word. Reading first two lines and then claiming that yeah i have read but couldn't find any info is like calling upon the lightening strike on yourself.
e.g2
In Q&A one person got his note bricked because he directly flashed the CM9 from stunner. If alteast the person have the eyes to read the RED line written (to flash CM9 from GB) which needs to be followed and not crossed he would have not been staring at his shiny new paperweight !!
Utterly offtopic - just made you the auspicious number 1100

This thread should be projected on the moon!

"4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit."
Some ROMs are total sh*t.

almostinsane said:
"4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit."
Some ROMs are total sh*t.
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So? Flash another and move along, no need to despise..

So You Want to Root and Mod Your HTC One

[A couple of the One XL guys asked me to cross-post this here]
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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC phone, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.​
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx​
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.​
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.​
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"​
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
…
Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel​
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.

Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.

homer285 said:
Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.
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Quit being a cell master dude.
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Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.

LiquidSolstice said:
Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.
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Yeah where everyone's a douche

DigitaL BlisS said:
Yeah where everyone's a douche
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More like where most of us have actually grown up.

While this would make a great thread to educate new users, this is not the place to post it plus, some gifs (jifs) are less than tasteful, so those are removed from the post. This would be better off in the General forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256). Thus, closed.