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[Q] HD2 100% Android?

hey im new to these forums but i was wondering. is it possible to totally remove winmo from the hd2? like flashing it directly to the system not running it off the sd and completely getting rid of winmo altogether

Not yet.. They are still working on unlocking the nand and we still use winMO to load some of the drivers. We will get there eventually. Even so, if you run a lite rom like ChuckyDroidROM you hardly notice WinMO loading.

Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!

polo735 said:
Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!
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Please give it a rest mate. People can act without perfection sometimes.
I understand why you flamed him but get real, some people will ask questions without hours of searching, is it that bad? I mean the post will move off the first page fairly quickly if it is that uninteresting.
I actually read it with interest to the question and the answer, so I found it useful.

With the level of success I have had with my HD2 and ANdroid I would say that there are quite a few folks who probrably use Android 100% of the time now. Its certainly far enough along to have surpassed the novelty phase into a viable solution for WinMo replacement.
You WILL have to do the homework and find the build that suits you though.
Good luck.

Neo_XDA said:
Please give it a rest mate. People can act without perfection sometimes.
I understand why you flamed him but get real, some people will ask questions without hours of searching, is it that bad? I mean the post will move off the first page fairly quickly if it is that uninteresting.
I actually read it with interest to the question and the answer, so I found it useful.
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Agreed. People need to stop barking at everyone who posts a question which might have been answered somewhere else on the forum. I happen to be fairly active on this forum and read a lot, but I know not everyone has the same level of interest or time. It's not that big of a deal.

I've managed to run Android mattc FroyoSense 1.7 PPP version for 3 days now. Not sure if I want to go back to WM 6.5, but if they port WP 7 I will jump on that for sure!
I found WYSE POCKETCLOUD perfect. In WM I couldn't navigate with the touch, it would emulate a click, so pretty much all the apps I used on WM I have found on Market and most of them free.
Only thing I haven't figured out is the changing of the Wifi's Mac Address from 00:11:22:33:44:55 to the real Mac address. But I am about to start the search, I use Mac filtering on my router and don't really want to open that mac address, you probably would guess why...? Other than that I have found everything to work except turning phone off or rebooting it. In order to reset phone (or turn off) I simply downloaded Terminal Emulator and do a su then a reboot. Works great for me.

poweroutlet said:
Agreed. People need to stop barking at everyone who posts a question which might have been answered somewhere else on the forum. I happen to be fairly active on this forum and read a lot, but I know not everyone has the same level of interest or time. It's not that big of a deal.
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Seconded. It makes me really mad when new people get *****ed out over this. We were ALL noobs once, and we wouldn't be as experienced as we are now if some forum grouch had chased us away just for asking a simple question. Makes me wonder how many would-be chefs & devs have been run off by the search nazis. I'm sure that most people do search first, but often don't know the exact terms to search for & therefore don't find the results they're looking for. I know that *I* wouldn't have known to look up "NAND" in reference to this very question until a week or so ago. Lighten up, people.
*steps off soapbox*
That said, its only a matter of time before the chefs come out with a fully flashable android build. In the meantime though, it is entirely possible to use android as your full-time OS. I've been using Shubcraft for over a week now & it's comparable to any native android phone. Like dantheman said, chuckydroid rom is great if you're wanting to do an 99.9% android setup. It's what I've got, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wants to do a more 50/50 configuration as chuckydroid is VERY lightweight. It's missing a lot of standard winmo options & its basically just the barebones minimum needed just to startup & boot to android.

I would like to point something out. When you search here on XDA it does a Google search and like pointed out in previous post, you need to do an ADVANCED search (the little
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icon) because that actually gives you better results. You can even go to a thread or device forum and search within the forum or thread, which would be the appropriate way.

polo735 said:
Please do not clutter the forum with posts like this. This question has been asked countless times. You are just begging to be flamed!
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And you need to take it easy dude...

Hey, I agree we were all noobs once, but this really isn't to hard answer to find, I found it on my first (advanced) search using basic terms such as "android", "flash" and "internal" etc etc (Nope, i didn't even use NAND!). Hell, it only took me a couple more normal searches to find the stuff i needed (again, didn't use NAND!)
the search Nazis can be helpful if you listen to them, and besides, it probably takes longer to write out your new thread OP than wait the thirty seconds to re-search

Alisha said:
And you need to take it easy dude...
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To all those "take it easy dude" members
There is a reason for the search function and a reason why the same question over and over again causes such nausea.
Firstly, searching is a fundamantal step in amassing basic knowledge and, as XDA is awash with just that, failing to do it will lead to missguided understanding. And it's a sign of laziness and an affront to those members who have searched and studied hard to get their expertise.
Secondly, it's a turn off for those who would otherwise assist with problems/questions that can't be answered with a simple search.
There is a serious and almost academic ethos to XDA and that is what has made it such a mine of information and also an assembly point for some of the greatest ROM developers that exist.
If XDA breaks down in this regard then we all loose, big time. Some long established members have already jumped ship and althought they continue in their work they have chosen other routes by which to share it.
I see this as a loss, but, I do understand their motives.
A small modicum of understanding this will continue the tradition and it all begins with SEARCH.
Remember this is all free.

I think they should just ban all those people who pick on other ones. This used to be a nice place, stop whining and take your discussion elsewhere. Let XDA stay a friendly community and don't scr-w things up for everyone! My 2 cents. I think we all know what google is now <_< not everyone knows what NAND is.. So let this guy ask his question.
To the question: it might be possible in the (near) future, it's called NAND, but it's not yet available. It's still under development. have a nice day

To be honest with you, I am fairly new to all this Android stuff, taken me a while to get into the different terminology from windows mobile world, I was too afraid to ask a lot of question son here due to being flamed, shame as I have been on this community for ages in the touch HD section.
I would say the HD2 is 100% Android and Windows mobile.
and windows mobile has its hang ups, in fact probably more than the occasional Android ones, its fantastic to be able to have both on one device, correct me if I am wrong but this is the only device to be able to run both yes?

thank for everyone who actually tried to answer my question and also defend my question. and to those who are complaining about me asking my question...I was at work when i posted that and i work two jobs so sorry if i dont got all day to spend on the pc searching. i have two jobs and a family sorry i dont live on the pc like some people here

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truthkillszz said:
hey im new to these forums but i was wondering. is it possible to totally remove winmo from the hd2? like flashing it directly to the system not running it off the sd and completely getting rid of winmo altogether
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Well the devs here are awesome first off they will pull it off im sure (flashing to NAND) but why would you want just android? i understand wanting to use the sd card as a sd card or even speed but just having android seems like well you should get an android phone. i personally like having the choice winmo does some things very well android does others very well. I enjoy switching at will i would LOVE NAND but i would also like to run both when i want. Is that a possibility if it does get flashed to internal memory can winmo still be used some how when i want or will it be one or the other? i wonder?

Hmmmmm HD2 has only got 512mb Rom.....soooo probably not! I don't know about the UD version, they could get lucky But generally a custom rom takes up around 200mb, so it COULD be possible, although an internal dualboot system would have to be installed in the phone's rom which is not touched by rom formatting....unless it is re-installed after every WinMo and Android rom update. oooo I love my HD2, so many possibilities! No phone's this fun and customisable!

zephr5 said:
Well the devs here are awesome first off they will pull it off im sure (flashing to NAND) but why would you want just android? i understand wanting to use the sd card as a sd card or even speed but just having android seems like well you should get an android phone. i personally like having the choice winmo does some things very well android does others very well. I enjoy switching at will i would LOVE NAND but i would also like to run both when i want. Is that a possibility if it does get flashed to internal memory can winmo still be used some how when i want or will it be one or the other? i wonder?
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See i honestly dont like winmo the only reason i got this phone was cuz i got it for an even trade with my mytouch slide on craigs list and this is the only 1ghz snapdragon phone with such a nice screen on tmo besides the nexus one which is ridiculously hard to get over here by me
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Hmmmmm HD2 has only got 512mb Rom
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Actually from what I read there are two versions to the HD2. I know i have the 1024mb rom version tho

[Kitchen-ROM] Kitchen Cleaner v1.0 1/30/2011

Kitchen Cleaner
Features
- Removes Samsung keyboard, bluetooth.apk (printing over bluetooth), Browser22.apk, divx.apk (for registering), FactoryTest.apk, lcdtest.apk, OTA apps, TTS, signin.apk (samsung login), Soundplayer.apk, Google Talk, Touchwiz calculator, vpnservices.apk, wlantest.apk, and shutdown animation.
- Clean Black Theme with parts taken from 3 other themes and a little of my own work
-- Black-theme modded MMS
-- Black-theme modded Marketplace
-- Black-theme modded Phone/Contacts
-- Black-theme modded Calculator
-- 4 lockscreens
-- accurate battery mod
-- extended power menu
- default black wallpaper
- black-themed WP7 style gingerbread keyboard
- hosts ad-blocking
- Xan's Voltage Control app 3.0 Final
- Suckerpunch OC/UV Kernel #32 100HZ
- Call Log no longer shows MMS messages.
- Lag-Free Gallery.
- di11igaf's browser fix.
- ZNKP1 modem for amazing battery life.
- Correct build.prop.fingerprint for protected apps.
Download links removed.

INSTALLATION
If you are coming from another ROM that uses speedmod, suckerpunch, or a kernel with Universal Lagfix, then you should be able to just flash right on top of it from CWM. This ROM will WIPE all data on your internal SD card.
Otherwise, I recommend that you ODIN back to stock/Master Clear, and then flash this rom in clockwork recovery.
1. Flash a ROM created in Doc's Rom Kitchen, preferably the one I have provided.
2. After rebooting, then flash the Kitchen Cleaner.
3. After rebooting, feel free to go back into recovery to enable lagfix and tweaks.
4. Enjoy!
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There's already a kitchen/custom rom thread that Borg maintains. Considering this is Docs base did he sign off on this? I only ask because others have done this have since closed the thread.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.

Well it is his base, but it has been changed a pretty good bit.

Agreed but that's the whole idea of the kitchen though. Good luck dude. Best to give Doc a heads up though, it's only right.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.

I'm not trying to say I did all this by myself, I even wrote in the topic that I AM NOT A DEV. I will let Doc know about this thread though.

why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.

bames said:
why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.
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Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...) and got the okay from them (didn't do that, but s'all good), then they're in the clear.
On to the ROM: Seems like an okay idea. I'm assuming there aren't really any bugs... but for those who'd want to start from the bottom up, or just stay at the bottom, this is a good idea (though the bottom up is why we have the ROM Kitchen lol).

Loggik said:
Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...), then they're in the clear.
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I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title.
Seriously...its just free advertising and props for a really cool concept/dev/customization tool (the kitchen) that might inspire other members to play with and utilize it which i would imagine was the desired end result of its creators.

If anyone is interested, I can make 2 versions of the rom. One with absolute basics (70-ish MB) and this one (115-ish MB).
I think the kitchen was the best thing to happen, all I wanted to do was share something that made me really happy. I don't care about the credit or the fame.

bames said:
I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining...
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.

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bames said:
....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title..
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+1 Thread Title; +1 stop the negativity and flame
I would suggest we propose a blanket solution via thread Title format change to Doc&Stef and Captainkrtek:
Thread Title:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx : CleanFreak v0.9....."
Attempt to get permission and keep working. It seems that borguesian also released GingerBorgMod in this same spirit.
In fact maybe that means that the thread title should read
:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx :Gingerborgmod- CleanFreak v0.9....."
One desire of mine is that we continue to develop knowledge about the kitchens functionality and facilitate development of the Captivate side of it.
I think Cappy users are using the kitchen and not talking about the results anywhere. Bad step-children to the I9000.

I'll change the thread title, and I agree I think using the Kitchen allows fresh thoughts and perspectives. Maybe someone like me will make a ROM and come up with something that no one ever would have thought of without the ROM Kitchen allowing them a chance to make their own ROM.

bames said:
I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough
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I made my post clearly stating that the OP had done almost everything right, and there was no reason to "beat him up". No one in this thread was or is whining or beating him up for anything, because he did give credit. lrs just warned him because he hadn't contacted and gotten permission from the owner of the Kitchen and didn't want anything bad to happen. I think that Doc is generous enough in the fact that it doesn't put a "MADE IN DOC'S KITCHEN" bootanimation.zip on every one of its ROMs that it generates, so I think it's safe to say that it'd be respectful and kind to at least ask Doc if he could publish a ROM made in his kitchen.
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
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^ Agreed.

Also, I'd just like to point out that just because it was made in the Kitchen does not mean that I did not put a lot of effort into this ROM. Yes, it has parts taken from other ROMs, I am not denying that fact. Just try to look past all of that and focus on what open source is really about, sharing ideas and resources openly in order to improve upon what we already have.

lrs421 said:
Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.
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"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement on my part. My apologies as i didn't intend to offend or specifically point a finger at you. Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were.
It just seems people can't resist the urge to put their two cents in with follow ups saying "this isn't your rom" or your "using someone else's base" when the user has already stated such in their OP thread and directed credit to the proper source.
If someone creates their own base and utilizes another members theme...stating such and giving proper credit in the op wouldn't it be redundant if half the posters felt the need to point out "thats not your theme" when that fact is already in the OP.
I agree best solution is for Doc's Kitchen Base to be referenced in the thread title.

Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.

Not for nothing, that dailer is sick. Minus the video call option .
As I said originally, good luck!

rootnik said:
Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.
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I agree he did nothing wrong and in a previous instance i saw someone post a similar thread giving proper credit to the kitchen and he was actually flamed pretty badly.
My suggestion is for those who use the kitchen is to posted the Kitchen Base Credit in the thread title.
Maybe Doc can specify in the OP what he would prefer to see included in the thread title from those who repost roms created with the kitchen?

bames said:
"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement ... Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were..
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I also certainly didn't mean to emphasize that anyone had been mean, other than lingering reaction to another threads sentiment.
It can get dangerously like a a schoolchilds playground here with everyone trying to oust people from their clique. I am sure that there are a scant few parents here, but I am highly sensitized to people acting that way. I know too, as adults we tend to be defensive of the sweat we put into things. As schoolchildren or adults, we need to learn to be less defensive and more inclusive.
Teambuilding and leadership.

MDEEJAY

Where are yuo gone?

castemic said:
Where are yuo gone?
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sigh..... read all his threads, SEARCH THE MANY POSTS THERE ARE ALREADY!!!
Wrong Section too, belongs in the bin

I also cant find his Posts - i know they have been closed, but have they also been deleted?
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MDJ's threads were in violation of XDA's GPL rules, the threads were locked and PM's were sent to him in early January with no response. Even though he was online and ignored the PM's he did not respond.
I know many are angry, but think of it this way, if someone is making a kernel that will run on thousands of phones, and using others sources which were shared, 1, you need to share your work also, 2, people have a right to see the code they are using to ensure it's not malicious etc. Why else would anyone not share their work when the GPL says you can use others as long as you also share.
Long story short. Since he is not responding to any PM's even though he has been online means that he is ignoring the MODS or hiding something. To protect XDA rules and members, his threads have been removed from public. We cannot leave the thread up as their are many GPL violations left for him to fix. Sorry if you've been using his stuff and he has abandoned you.
noellenchris
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hm i have the same question...
he does a very good work, and share his kernels....
i know the problems with the GPL and so.... but he spend a lot of time for this work and get only a asskick while he not share his code...
i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
but only the close and bann from this forum without a reason for the other users is not a solution.... we need a statment or somethink like that!

a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I've been a member for a long time, and only a MOD for a few. If you loaned me your car for a few weeks and I refused to give you a ride. I'm sure you'd be pretty mad. Well the code and hard work that made the Linux Kernel was shared for free on one condition. That if you use it/modify or whatever YOU MUST SHOW YOUR SOURCE, not where you found it. Otherwise if your recieving any donations for your work on the back of other dev's hard work, then it's illegal and wrong if too many ways.
However this is too easy to fix. TELL ME WHY MDJ DOESN'T REPLY OR FIX THIS FOR ALMOST A MONTH? He has been givin many chances.
He will not be really missed since his work was based off of many of the devs here on XDA who had and do share their source/work on the kernels.
MDJ is not banned. Look him up. He is free to post or appear out of thin air here. But he doesn't. If he wants to, and fix his work, then he has options and his threads may come back.
noellenchris

strange business over a few letters in a title....
calling or i guess insinuating his code is malicious is complete bull****. he was just fine up until a rule changed then he was all of a sudden pure evil.
plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue. because thats what they are for. they dont play stupid cat and mouse games testing to see if the user will bend to their authroity and then delete their stuff when they dont. thats plain stupidity. all someone has to do is go to mdj's website by googling "ultimate droid" and then all of a sudden they have no reason to come back here. is that good for xda? to lose people over a simple tagging dispute that is completely stupid? do you remember how popular he was here? should we expect xda to take a personal vendetta against anyone who may be too busy to possibly answer pm's? are the mods cops or mods? are they here to help or here to just cull the herd so to speak?
personally i dont give a flying **** about the stupid drama between whatever children are involved. im not anyones friend here i just come here for android builds. they will most certainly pop up somewhere else if they dont here. i like this place but if it shut down tomorrow i wouldnt cry precisely becuase of **** like this...id just jump on one of the now many boards out there offering builds.
just being honest...

Come on people how hard is it to release your code???
Like Noellenchris said, it's all based on free open source code, he's recieving money for it, so it's not very ethical is it?

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I dont know why you feel that what was done to MDEEJAY was unfair... He is one hell of a chef I grant him that but rules are rules and they were created and set in place to ensure the safety of all the members of XDA-dev...
All he needed to do was just reply to the MODs but he never did. Him being banned on this Forum is a very big loss but there are other chef's out there that are as good if not even better.
I am not undermining MDEEJAYs work as I am still loving his HD nand versions and i will still say that his 10.4 kernel is one of the best out there. I wish he would just reply to the MODs so he could come back. As I know that a lot of us are waiting for his future developments.
Say all you want to say about the MODs and how XDA is being run. But I believe that this was done not to screw someone in the arse but to protect all of us users...

Dr4g0n said:
i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
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Unfortunately that won't work.
The GPL licence is the licence the linux kernel is distributed under. That's not negotiable, as Linus Torvalds made that choice. As such, if someone wants to make changes to a kernel, they must respect the licence that the code is available under.
If you don't want to abide by them, you would need to go and write your own OS from scratch, which did not make use of any GPL code.
Since kernels are based on GPL code, and the GPL has been legally challenged and found to be valid, it is a requirement when posting GPL licenced code on XDA to follow the GPL licence. There is a simplified list of requirements available on XDA that summarise how this affects users here.
Compliance is not optional and is non-negotiable. If you will not provide your sources, you do not have permission to use the kernel (read the GPL for info), and as such anything released like this is "warez". XDA does not tolerate warez to be posted, and will remove it, following due process.
@lilelf87, there are rules here. If you do not like them, feel free to go to a site without rules. Rules benefit us all. I could recompile a kernel with a nasty rootkit in it, that would log everything you did, or watch keystrokes, or brick your device. If sources are not available, then how can you be sure that what is provided is safe? This is why the GPL exists. If you don't like it, then I'm afraid it's too bad, as Android uses the Linux kernel, which is GPL licensed.
EDIT: Thread moved to General/Q&A, and @memnoch2099, you are spot on there

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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a BIG LOOOL to you and all the people that share similar viewpoint on GPL. to consider striving for GPL compliance as a bureaucracy measure is idiotic.

OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?

ForceField said:
OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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First, this only applies to kernels. If you are only making a tiny tweak to a ROM, you likely shouldn't be releasing it as an entire ROM, and instead sharing it with the dev of the original ROM to include in future (with credit), or to offer as optional to users.
If it's kernel changes, then no matter how small, you should share them. There is no need to upload the entire sources though. Here's how I did it for two tiny changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=848494
See the bottom of the post.
Base kernel (cheers, Erasmux, and big props) https://github.com/erasmux/hero-2.6..../flykernel-11c
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shows the stock sources used, and the modified CPU table and the touchscreen tweak were linked.
That's all it takes, and gives credit to the OP of the kernel, but also shares the changes without people having to download large amounts of sources again just to get changes.
That is all it takes

ForceField said:
OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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Thats the point of GPL.
Thats why Linux has most of no Viruses

hope 2 C U again, MDJ
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dont understand why he doesnt write back ?! just upload his sources to git and that's it ....
i'm waiting for him, he wrote the most and especially the best roms and kernels
still using his cm7 v2.6 rom, this rom is even better than the recently published ones.
didn't had problems with his one, every thing works from the beginning on - and the most important thing for me, mdj made many roms, so everyone could choose which is the best one.
pls mdj, just write back and continue your work

hope to see you again mdj

why did you closed all of his threads ? he uploaded the sources to git untill 3.01.2011 !!

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Pulser has made it incredibly clear and easy for you all to understand...
(oh and for the record, MDJ hasn't been banned, that's nonsense...he's free to make new threads any time he likes...he just has to comply with GPL requirements)
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plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue.
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We cannot change his threads because his git repository is outdated and does not reflect the current version of his kernels. He has been online numerous times since I sent him various PMs, but has not responded...we are not here to hold anyone's hand.

Should DEV assign MODDER for their ROM?

Hi Everybody,
Yes, me speaking about true DEVELOPERS in here(which is not make a rom based on other).Should they assign someone(MODDERS) who can make their rom more beautiful a.k.a retheme and place it under the ori one?
What goods in this?
1.to reduce(zero maybe) qtty retheme rom threads in DEV sec cause the modder
finally know & have the right place to share their talent.
2.ppl also know the right place to try any rom & give a feedback to DEV(bugs, etc)in the right thread
3.to reduce gaps between DEV & MODDER if their are working together.
4.thread based other roms also can totaly prohibit cause modder now can placed a rom under DEV wing.
5.to encourage these modders learn to make own rom if they insist to open new thread in DEV sec.
Again,why retheme roms threats not belongs in DEV sec?
People will complains any bugs in a false threads which it should be in ori rom thread.THIS IS NOT HELPING DEVELOPMENT AT ALL...
BTW,this are some suggestion only & forgive me if this will offend somebody cause im sincerely but no good with words

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zmuhammx said:
Hi Everybody,
Yes, me speaking about true DEVELOPERS in here(which is not make a rom based on other).Should they assign someone(MODDERS) who can make their rom more beautiful a.k.a retheme and place it under the ori one?
What goods in this?
1.to reduce(zero maybe) qtty retheme rom threads in DEV sec cause the modder
finally know & have the right place to share their talent.
2.ppl also know the right place to try any rom & give a feedback to DEV(bugs, etc)in the right thread
3.to reduce gaps between DEV & MODDER if their are working together.
4.thread based other roms also can totaly prohibit cause modder now can placed a rom under DEV wing.
5.to encourage these modders learn to make own rom if they insist to open new thread in DEV sec.
Again,why retheme roms threats not belongs in DEV sec?
People will complains any bugs in a false threads which it should be in ori rom thread.THIS IS NOT HELPING DEVELOPMENT AT ALL...
BTW,this are some suggestion only & forgive me if this will offend somebody cause im sincerely but no good with words
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I partially dis-agree.
I dis-agree with the fact that modders should be assigned. Everybody and anybody should be free and distribute their mods (obviously giving credits etc and with permission of the original devs)
I agree with the fact this is not development.
I agree with the fact , that all mods should be placed under the original ROM
I was wondering , how would this concept work , if the modded ROM is based on two or more ROMS ?
I really don't think it is practical enough ? I really don't know...
Edit : B.Jay , I just ROFLed

B.Jay said:
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Lol classic
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Mayank77 said:
I partially dis-agree.
I dis-agree with the fact that modders should be assigned. Everybody and anybody should be free and distribute their mods (obviously giving credits etc and with permission of the original devs)
I agree with the fact this is not development.
I agree with the fact , that all mods should be placed under the original ROM
I was wondering , how would this concept work , if the modded ROM is based on two or more ROMS ?
I really don't think it is practical enough ? I really don't know...
Edit : B.Jay , I just ROFLed
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Thanks for reply,
This sugestion for DEV only & they will decide it.For exp:B.Jay decided no mods for his rom & we must respect that.(ppl doing it anyway even not in here)
For some DEV who would like to see their rom much prettier but dont have time to do it(focus on bugs & their had their real life too)can make announcement in their thread & invite somebody who can.
There is misunderstood in here cause me suggest for RETHEME roms only.Based on two or more roms,porting,works on stock kernel also considered a DEVELOPMENT(me not mention cause they usually came up with "package")& usually have diff bugs.The one im talking is the pure one which is a DEV 100% own it.The main point in this is DEV will know the bugs even if ppl on retheme roms and make space for these modder to share their talent legally in here.We have to admit,ppl would bother to have ICS if the ui is the same as GB,Like it or not beauty is the first impression.
Again,DEV can decide which is best for their roms.Im not pushing anybody in here just to share what I think sincerely.

I kinda understand your point...what you're talking about is a collaboration or a deal between the devs and modders...the only example which pops into my head when i see this thread is like nAa and D_d...nAa develops the roms while D_d designs the themes for the roms i know its not 100% accurate with what you're suggesting, but im just giving the best example i can

Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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IrishStuff09 said:
Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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Not bad!!!
the idea is great but developer will have to leave behind private life, family and girlfriend if he wanna do it by yourself! But if all developers have "their own Dark dogs" it may be possible!

Let me make one thing clear....dark dog is a rcognized themer !!! makes his own themes for minicm......soft modders JUST take a theme of achep and sony sekhon and others.....

Rahat34 said:
Let me make one thing clear....dark dog is a rcognized themer !!! makes his own themes for minicm......soft modders JUST take a theme of achep and sony sekhon and others.....
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Well said!

RohinZaraki said:
I kinda understand your point...what you're talking about is a collaboration or a deal between the devs and modders...the only example which pops into my head when i see this thread is like nAa and D_d...nAa develops the roms while D_d designs the themes for the roms i know its not 100% accurate with what you're suggesting, but im just giving the best example i can
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Rohin,
since im new in here,me not sure if this kind of tag-team has practicing in here.Only i can see so many retheme roms based on other which is can divine by 2
1.No developement at all-update only a look but bugs still in there.people complain bugs but modder cant do nothing to fixs it.
2. has developement- bugs fixing just because modder actually has knowledge to make own rom but make a easy way by used other or someone just pop up with fixing.
Conclusion is:anything at all should go to ORIGINAL rom thread.All complain,bugs,fixing,thanks,anything belongs to ORIGINAL DEV.
My suggest only for this purpose:
1.modder with or without rom knowledge-they have spot for them & maybe they can learn some with a DEV.Dev also can learn something from these modder.
2.Anything will go to right place(what i saying above)
3.If somebody not happy with idea ORI DEV got all,learn make ur own & retheme anyway u like.
Many great DEV has left us cause feel disappoint of these trend but not given us a childish excuse like"oh! im feeling so tired stick my nose to many my based rom thread for find what wrong with my rom"
Cheers

IrishStuff09 said:
Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
Sent from my R800i using xda premium
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If dev have time & knowledge, they will.If modder are sincerely enough to help dev & just loved to share their work,i believe there no reason dev will say no

As a recognised themer myself, I can safely say that sometimes TRULY theming a ROM can be just as painful and time-consuming as developing it.
BUT it is not development nonetheless.
Also what is NOT development is picking up init.d scripts from Android General section, packing it in a developers ROM and re-distributing it as a new one under your name.
This discussion can go on and on but I am sure you get the point.
This thread is quite interesting, because I really feel a bit disappointed by all the "ROMs" that flood the Development section, when the amount of real developing is very low.
Let me also say, I am not talking specifically about X8 section, it is a general phenomenon in pretty much all Sony forums.

And who says that the themers aren't devs to?
Its very hard....

What about GPL and Open Source?
Not taking any sides here, just gonna play Devil's Advocate for a bit and see if anyone can answer..
Under GPL, open source code can be used, changed and redistributed WITHOUT the permission of the code creator..
nAa, paul-xxx and all the other devs here have done exactly that.. Taken the GPL code, changed it, and are redistributing it WITHOUT prior consent of the REAL code dev..
Don't you all think it's a bit much then that they require us to seek their permission to change code they didn't even write? Same goes for the kernels.. This is GPL code..
Anyone can compile code, in fact it's really easy.. You don't even have to understand code to compile it.. So remember, porting is not coding, it's compiling..
I wonder how many lines of real code belong to the devs here.. My guess is very little..
Let me know your thoughts on this please devs..
CtrlAltDel.

got your point.. and u can be wright,
but when person x ask permission from person y that can be interpreted as respect person y's earlier work, so its not so bad, isn't it!?

What about GPL and Open Source?
It's actually a violation of GPL. (asking permission to use the code)
You can be prosecuted in a court of law for breaking GPL or trying to change code written under the GPL to another licence..
This is what is happening here and people should be made aware of this..
I would never ask nAa permission to change his kernel for example.. There is no legal requirement to.. In fact, if I ask for his source code, he must supply it whether he likes it or not.. He could face legal implications if he didn't..
I could then redistribute MY kernel anywhere (even charge for it) as long as I supply MY source code to the public.. This is how open source works..
MY FINAL THOUGHT ON THIS..
We should kick ass in the open source world, not kiss ass!
CtrlAltDel

CtrlAltDelIrl said:
MY FINAL THOUGHT ON THIS..
We should kick ass in the open source world, not kiss ass!
CtrlAltDel
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agree, but this is totally of topic man!

iridaki said:
As a recognised themer myself, I can safely say that sometimes TRULY theming a ROM can be just as painful and time-consuming as developing it.
BUT it is not development nonetheless.
Also what is NOT development is picking up init.d scripts from Android General section, packing it in a developers ROM and re-distributing it as a new one under your name.
This discussion can go on and on but I am sure you get the point.
This thread is quite interesting, because I really feel a bit disappointed by all the "ROMs" that flood the Development section, when the amount of real developing is very low.
Let me also say, I am not talking specifically about X8 section, it is a general phenomenon in pretty much all Sony forums.
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For all due respect,
Me agreed that retheme also need a hard work indeed.in fact typing this also is hard for me& taking 1/2 hrs to finish it
That why me brough up this because me see Retheme also same important as make a rom.me try to see win-win situations in here.
1.A make a thread for his fresh new rom,he/she also would like to see it grow & alive
2.then B came up,open new thread with much beautiful rom based on A's.
3.ppl will definitely go to B thread & left A thread dying.
4.even worse,C came up with rom based on A's or B's
Now u think, are its fair for A since He/She has start it first?
True,make a diff also can called it DEV but are this kind DEV we want?
By hurting other ppl feeling?
So what me suggest is,A make some space for B and C.Ppl will stick to A's thread and it will grow as it should be without hurting anyone.
Meantime,if B or C still not happy with it they should learn to make own rom & do whatever they like.
God bless all.
p/s: Retheme me talking here is make own theme not based on other totherwise,I also can be a modder

Choice, choice and (wait for it) more choice
This is exactly what open source offers us... Choice and plenty of it..
A good programmer doesn't make a good themer - I agree totally..
What one considers visually appealing can look like sh*t to another..
Thankfully we have choice so everyone is a winner..
Everyone here should be able to find the blend of features, performance and looks they desire..
If not, they are free to take any rom / kernel / theme and build their own.. This is one of the freedoms the GPL affords us.. We shouldn't ignore it.. We should relish it..
I agree with the idea of grouping MiniCM, GingerDX roms etc..
It would make finding similar roms much easier and would help bug tracking..
I've yet to see one proper bug report on XDA though..
Have fun,
CtrlAltDel

Android 5.0 bugs

I'm using Z1 as a daily driver and when I see the same bugs in every single 5.0 rom for the Z1, then it makes me wonder about few things:
Why do you release "new" roms that share the same issues?
Why don't you team-up?
Honestly guys, I see no point at all with releasing more and more 5.0 roms that have the same bugs. Not to mention that things as MIC or CAMERA are pretty important if you want to use your phone as a daily driver.
I'm not posting this to discourage you from developing, no, what you're doing is great and I don't want you to feel bad about this post. What I'm trying to do here is to encourage all of you guys:
@krabappel2548
@NanoSurfer
@davidteri91
@jerpelea
@zhangyang_haha
(sorry if you develop 5.0 for Z1 and I did not mention you here)
To work TOGETHER to get it fixed. That's how we got 4K&120FPS after all on the Z1. That's what the XDA community is all about and that's why it was created. (propably, don't quote me here)
It will be done much faster if you do this together, one of you gets one thing working, another one that thing and we'll finally be ready to use 5.0 on our phone. Maybe some people that can't code will be able to help you with finding stuff that you have overlooked.
I don't do this to get thumbs up, duh, I don't care about that at all. What I care about is to use 5.0 on my phone everyday.
Hope you understand this.
If I mentioned you above and you read this post then please, drop a post below that you would like to collaborate on this. As soon as I will see that then I'll change the topic name to:
[DEV] MIC and CAMERA in android 5.0 and send a report to move my thread to Z1 android development. Afterwards I'll clearly state that this thread is for DEVELOPMENT ONLY and it should stay that way. Any non-development post will be reported by myself to get them removed so you'd get a clear development space.
If one of the developers above would agree to my idea and would rather create his own thread like mine to take care of it by yourself, then please, feel free to PM me when you do and I'll link it here.

There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
MOD EDIT: Please dont quote the whole OP unncessarily

Destroyedbeauty said:
There is not enough Lollipop libs, binaries and sources released by Sony for making enough stable and fully working AOSP / CM ROMS. That's why! Wait until stock Sony 5.0.X firmwares / kernel sources / bins / libs are released and 5.0.X Android Open Source Project development will be taken to a another level.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I think of all Sony devices were the only one that does have phone and camera working which is strange.

olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?

Destroyedbeauty said:
Then, tell me why some things are not fully working on the existing 5.0.X ROMS in the Original Android Development section for the Z1? Because of bad luck?
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There are plenty of reasons. I'm not even looking at this code as I'm not that advanced. I can fix small bugs, but not those massive ones that could be anything. Just different developers got different devices and here on the Z1 forums, unfortunately there is not much stuff going on. The guys that got the Z1 don't have that much time to do this or just move to other sony devices as sony cycle is 6months until new flagship now.

Feel so sorry that i cannot write libs by myself. I'm just a college student. Accutually I am working on how to fix microphone. However, camera issue is really a hard job for me. I even do not know how to do that. Therefore, i have no idea but to wait for sony.
olokos said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/exp-lollipop-xperia-z-t2929369
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/orig-development/rom-candyroms-unofficial-built-source-t2892863
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/sirius-t2962383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t2947497
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/rom-paranoid-android-5-0-unofficial-t2963809
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/orig-development/calls-strawberryvanillalollipop-xperia-t2945310
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z-ultra/orig-development/5-0-aosp-t2939968
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/sony-xperia-tx-unofficial-cyanogenmod-12/
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I made the AOSP rom, other people just posted a bunch of cm device tree based roms. Anyway I didn't had a lot of time last 2 weeks. But bugs should be fixable, even without Sony's 5.0 rom. Just need to have some time... Which should hopefully be next week
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I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/

olokos said:
I haven't seen a single response on whether you want to work together guys or not... :/
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Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.

Lord Takyon said:
Different time zones is one reason.
Also, when something gets fixed all devs integrate the fix anyway.
Variety is the spice of life.
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I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?

Better change thread name to "[DEV]{TEMP FIX} MIC ISSUE in All Android 5.0 ROM's" ............ That's the evilest thing i can imagine

olokos said:
I'm not talking about live irc, but about xda thread.
But that will take more time.
Sure, but if major stuff in your life is broken, do you still care about its variety?
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I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Lord Takyon said:
I think you expect too much from devs that are working for free in their spare time
Tbh if you want fully functional then either learn the trade and fix these things yourself or wait for official Sony rom.
Many of the devs here already collaborate, just because you don't see a public thread doesn't mean it doesn't happen
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I don't expect anything from them apart from combining their skills instead of every dev working on his own on this. They are NOT working together on this or else we would already have it done. Just look at other roms for other Z family devices. Almost all of the devs are working on their own instead of working together.
I'm not saying hurry up or "when fix mic pls" therefore I have no idea what are you talking about in here. I'm just giving them the idea of combining their skills to get it done. If there wouldn't be few devs at a time working on porting 4k&120fps then you still wouldn't have it on the Z1. I'm positive that they didn't work together. It was mostly like one dev gets a fix and shares it with other, not a cooperation, but sharing. That's different.
It doesn't happen seriously just read latest posts of krabappel... He explicitly says that he's working in his rom all by himself.
I am actually in a process of getting my own stock based rom but due to the lack of free time it's not over yet and I don't think I'd switch To AOSP because there's too much proprietary stuff in stock Sony roms. Additionally I'm not really that advanced to build roms from the base. I haven't tried yet, but my coding skills aren't enough anyway.

You missed my point lol

Lord Takyon said:
You missed my point lol
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I think that you just don't get that development of android 5.0 is done by single developers for each rom with the exception of Sony and FXP. There's NO collaboration between developers in here. They do stuff on their own and don't want to collaborate for whatever reason. Getting the entire credit for a rom? Idk... Makes no sense to me...