Kitchen Cleaner
Features
- Removes Samsung keyboard, bluetooth.apk (printing over bluetooth), Browser22.apk, divx.apk (for registering), FactoryTest.apk, lcdtest.apk, OTA apps, TTS, signin.apk (samsung login), Soundplayer.apk, Google Talk, Touchwiz calculator, vpnservices.apk, wlantest.apk, and shutdown animation.
- Clean Black Theme with parts taken from 3 other themes and a little of my own work
-- Black-theme modded MMS
-- Black-theme modded Marketplace
-- Black-theme modded Phone/Contacts
-- Black-theme modded Calculator
-- 4 lockscreens
-- accurate battery mod
-- extended power menu
- default black wallpaper
- black-themed WP7 style gingerbread keyboard
- hosts ad-blocking
- Xan's Voltage Control app 3.0 Final
- Suckerpunch OC/UV Kernel #32 100HZ
- Call Log no longer shows MMS messages.
- Lag-Free Gallery.
- di11igaf's browser fix.
- ZNKP1 modem for amazing battery life.
- Correct build.prop.fingerprint for protected apps.
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INSTALLATION
If you are coming from another ROM that uses speedmod, suckerpunch, or a kernel with Universal Lagfix, then you should be able to just flash right on top of it from CWM. This ROM will WIPE all data on your internal SD card.
Otherwise, I recommend that you ODIN back to stock/Master Clear, and then flash this rom in clockwork recovery.
1. Flash a ROM created in Doc's Rom Kitchen, preferably the one I have provided.
2. After rebooting, then flash the Kitchen Cleaner.
3. After rebooting, feel free to go back into recovery to enable lagfix and tweaks.
4. Enjoy!
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There's already a kitchen/custom rom thread that Borg maintains. Considering this is Docs base did he sign off on this? I only ask because others have done this have since closed the thread.
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Well it is his base, but it has been changed a pretty good bit.
Agreed but that's the whole idea of the kitchen though. Good luck dude. Best to give Doc a heads up though, it's only right.
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I'm not trying to say I did all this by myself, I even wrote in the topic that I AM NOT A DEV. I will let Doc know about this thread though.
why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.
bames said:
why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.
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Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...) and got the okay from them (didn't do that, but s'all good), then they're in the clear.
On to the ROM: Seems like an okay idea. I'm assuming there aren't really any bugs... but for those who'd want to start from the bottom up, or just stay at the bottom, this is a good idea (though the bottom up is why we have the ROM Kitchen lol).
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Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...), then they're in the clear.
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I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title.
Seriously...its just free advertising and props for a really cool concept/dev/customization tool (the kitchen) that might inspire other members to play with and utilize it which i would imagine was the desired end result of its creators.
If anyone is interested, I can make 2 versions of the rom. One with absolute basics (70-ish MB) and this one (115-ish MB).
I think the kitchen was the best thing to happen, all I wanted to do was share something that made me really happy. I don't care about the credit or the fame.
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I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining...
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
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bames said:
....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title..
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+1 Thread Title; +1 stop the negativity and flame
I would suggest we propose a blanket solution via thread Title format change to Doc&Stef and Captainkrtek:
Thread Title:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx : CleanFreak v0.9....."
Attempt to get permission and keep working. It seems that borguesian also released GingerBorgMod in this same spirit.
In fact maybe that means that the thread title should read
:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx :Gingerborgmod- CleanFreak v0.9....."
One desire of mine is that we continue to develop knowledge about the kitchens functionality and facilitate development of the Captivate side of it.
I think Cappy users are using the kitchen and not talking about the results anywhere. Bad step-children to the I9000.
I'll change the thread title, and I agree I think using the Kitchen allows fresh thoughts and perspectives. Maybe someone like me will make a ROM and come up with something that no one ever would have thought of without the ROM Kitchen allowing them a chance to make their own ROM.
bames said:
I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough
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I made my post clearly stating that the OP had done almost everything right, and there was no reason to "beat him up". No one in this thread was or is whining or beating him up for anything, because he did give credit. lrs just warned him because he hadn't contacted and gotten permission from the owner of the Kitchen and didn't want anything bad to happen. I think that Doc is generous enough in the fact that it doesn't put a "MADE IN DOC'S KITCHEN" bootanimation.zip on every one of its ROMs that it generates, so I think it's safe to say that it'd be respectful and kind to at least ask Doc if he could publish a ROM made in his kitchen.
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
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^ Agreed.
Also, I'd just like to point out that just because it was made in the Kitchen does not mean that I did not put a lot of effort into this ROM. Yes, it has parts taken from other ROMs, I am not denying that fact. Just try to look past all of that and focus on what open source is really about, sharing ideas and resources openly in order to improve upon what we already have.
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.
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"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement on my part. My apologies as i didn't intend to offend or specifically point a finger at you. Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were.
It just seems people can't resist the urge to put their two cents in with follow ups saying "this isn't your rom" or your "using someone else's base" when the user has already stated such in their OP thread and directed credit to the proper source.
If someone creates their own base and utilizes another members theme...stating such and giving proper credit in the op wouldn't it be redundant if half the posters felt the need to point out "thats not your theme" when that fact is already in the OP.
I agree best solution is for Doc's Kitchen Base to be referenced in the thread title.
Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.
Not for nothing, that dailer is sick. Minus the video call option .
As I said originally, good luck!
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Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.
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I agree he did nothing wrong and in a previous instance i saw someone post a similar thread giving proper credit to the kitchen and he was actually flamed pretty badly.
My suggestion is for those who use the kitchen is to posted the Kitchen Base Credit in the thread title.
Maybe Doc can specify in the OP what he would prefer to see included in the thread title from those who repost roms created with the kitchen?
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"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement ... Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were..
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I also certainly didn't mean to emphasize that anyone had been mean, other than lingering reaction to another threads sentiment.
It can get dangerously like a a schoolchilds playground here with everyone trying to oust people from their clique. I am sure that there are a scant few parents here, but I am highly sensitized to people acting that way. I know too, as adults we tend to be defensive of the sweat we put into things. As schoolchildren or adults, we need to learn to be less defensive and more inclusive.
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A common thing that I read on the forums is how much faster one rom is over another. Someone will claim that their rom runs much faster than others or just users will say that this one is better than another. One of my very first contributions to XDA was benchmarking every rom that was available for the HTC Mogul at that time. I decided to do the same thing for all HTC Hero roms based on the Sprint 2.20.651.1 leak. This consists of: DamagedCake 1.2b, DamageControl v2.05, DarchVanilla v2.1, Fresh Rom 2.0d, RegawMOD v2.0.2p, and untouched Stock.
Now first things first I have a statement to make. I chose to do this because I saw some people bullying others on the forums for making their own roms (I'm looking at you Regaw). I set out to run these tests to prove that every single rom based on this build would benchmark very close to the same. This means that when it boils down to it, there is basically no merit in saying that one rom is faster than another. It is simply a matter of needing to pick which one has the options already in it that you prefer. The modifications that we do to these roms will NOT dramatically speed up the core functions of the phone. It would require kernel development to actually make a real difference in the speed. Yes we can possibly make things run a little smoother and add features, but when it comes down to it, they will all be the same speed. Let me try and make my point here because I'm rambling.... I have been making roms for the Hero since November and have come to expect other people to work off of my work. It's exactly how this stuff works and is exactly what we are doing to HTC. But people typically give credit where credit is due. Then you get some people that like to go around bashing people for making a rom, yet steal work from other people without as much as a thanks. Funny again that I am talking about Regaw. You may notice that he released a patch for his rom 2.0.2p with no release notes at all as to what it fixes other than a vague mention of wifi tether. So what's in this rom?
A copy of estrongs file explorer, straight from fresh rom. Not my app at all, but still something that I have been including in fresh forever.
A copy of AutoKiller, straight from fresh rom. Again, not my app but something that has only been in fresh rom
A copy of the config file for the new XDA keyboard included in fresh rom with English and Spanish being the only languages enabled... taken straight from fresh rom
An "sdcard" folder containing above mentioned config file, taken straight from fresh rom so that it matched the line taken from the update-script.
The fix I used to make all apps show up in the market in build.prop. This fix doesn't belong to me but the way I entered it shows it was likely copy/pasted from fresh rom.
That is the entirety of the patch. He also uses my ported Espresso artwork, but that has been taken by so many roms without credit that I gave up on that. Look... I don't have a problem with regaw. And I'm really not trying to bash. My whole point of this was that every single person is entitled to make every rom that they want. So when he goes and gives someone crap for making their own rom... it really bothered me. Coincidentally, when I expected every single rom to perform about the same, his rom performed the worst on both benchmarks.
Sorry for the rant. None of this is related to the benchmarking. So let me get down to the details. Just like a dyno on a car, benchmarking is not a real world test. While the tests were consistent and what they show holds merit, I'm not saying that it doesn't mean another rom can't run smoother. But my point here was to prove that no rom is actually dramatically faster than another.
My method:
Factory wipe
Flash rom
Boot phone up and install Benchmark Pi and Neocore. Leave phone plugged in to usb and enable "stay awake while charging"
Reboot and allow phone to boot up entirely (waited for activity to stop in debugger)
Run Benchmark Pi 3 times and take the average of all 3
Reboot and allow phone to boot up entirely (waited for activity to stop in debugger)
Run Neocore 3 times (with the sound disabled) and take the average of all 3 (the only exception here was on DamagedCake. While running Neocore's 3 tests there was 1 test that was significantly lower than the other 2. I considered it a fluke and discarded it's result. I then ran it a 4th time and used that instead.)
And now I present to you the results. The "winning" rom is highlighted in red. But again, my goal was to prove that basically every rom is just about the same. Note that Benchmark Pi specifically only tests the processor where as neocore tests a lot more.
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Well there you have it. Hopefully this ends the "this rom is faster than this rom" debate, and also makes some people realize that they were acting a bit rude. Pick the rom that is customized the way you like it. Or at least close. Don't like any? Then make your own!! The more the merrier! And if you use someone's work, make sure you give them credit!
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Nice...I hate all the my roms faster than yours talk. penis swinging contest.
All I can say is thank you.
actually, i never feel that one ROM is much faster than the other. I though they are the same^^ Differeces exist only in APPs
Am i right?
david279 said:
Nice...I hate all the my roms faster than yours talk. penis swinging contest.
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I'm curious, are there any female devs out there?
wow i always said that peoples claims of "this rom is way faster then another " was all opinion and had nothing to do with any fact or true statement. glad u posted this to show others the truth behind others statements of "this is way faster". also on another note this also points at the fact that a lot of others use other peoples work and fail to give credit where credit is due. the sad part is when someone bashes another for doing it. then turns around and an hour later does it himself. i hope this is the "end all, kill all" of these two issues on the forum. these are the things that have driven a few great devs away from our forum and are convincing others to leave also. were a community and we need to work together and give credit where credit is due.
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wow i always said that peoples claims of "this rom is way faster then another " was all opinion and had nothing to do with any fact or true statement. glad u posted this to show others the truth behind others statements of "this is way faster". also on another note this also points at the fact that a lot of others use other peoples work and fail to give credit where credit is due. the sad part is when someone bashes another for doing it. then turns around and an hour later does it himself. i hope this is the "end all, kill all" of these two issues on the forum. these are the things that have driven a few great devs away from our forum and are convincing others to leave also. were a community and we need to work together and give credit where credit is due.
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well said
Thanks for this
i'm glad you posted this, not only so we could see the actual results, but more because of the 'rant' part. all this bashing and whatnot... i don't even really wanna come on xda anymore. recently, i don't even use any of the ROMs... just vanilla aosp
Nice job fresh. thank you for all your hard work!
As a developer who doesn't have time to play with this stuff I really appreciate all that the developers on xda has done for this group of geeks.
I take what is available and remove what I don't want, but that wouldn't be possible with out you guys!
Stop hatin', people! If these roms don't work the way you want, make your own or go back to stock, don't sit there and complain.
Someone's got a grudge.
As soon as Fresh came out with the latest, I switched. Everything worked right off the bat. Kind of boring really!
May i suggest you add linpack to your benchmarking list. It'll show that every rom will average around 2.4 mflops without JIT, which in turn will ultimately prove that every rom is indeed the same in performance
And thanks for making this thread. it should be stickied so newbies will stop asking "which rom is better" and questions similar to that.
This is great cuz i been wonderin bout that and been readin lil remarks here and there
Funny, I was just thinking about this earlier today... Thanks Flipz... You're very well respected here on xda, and this had to be said by someone.
Yet another reason why I'm not going to release roms for the hero. Too many pissing matches and too much duplication. It's all HTC and Googles code in there. Unless your putting out AOSP with custom kernels. Sense is Sense no matter what color you change the dialer or the look of rosie or how much you optipng or zipalign. I'd like to see a combined effort to get AOSP eclair running 100%. There are some great devs here but a little too much ego going on.
To everyone I offended, specifically blankd3ckskat3r and flipz,
I sincerely apologize for everything I said that was wrong and hurtful to the other great roms/makers. My rom was the worst out of all of them, so I shouldn't even had said anything. I never meant to hurt anyone, really I came here with great intentions. For the first time ever, I found somewhere where I was respected, liked, sought out for for help. I never had a place, even in real life, where that actually was true, due to me being an easy target. I realize now looking back that I should have never let myself say any of those things I did.
I should not have posted that post on blankd3ckskat3's thread. I wrote that originally for it not to come out sounding mean, just wondering why another was coming out of the same build, but looking back on it, it's horrible. I don't know what I was thinking. Anyone can do anything they want. It's just been a horrible week for me (personal things) and I was just really frustrated with life in general.
And for the credit. I am sorry flipz. I owe a lot of credit to you which I haven't given. I know it doesn't matter now, because you had to say something first, but I am sorry that I gave nothing. I did use your EStrongs explorer and Autokiller. I would have prefered to use Astro, but it expired 2 days ago. Besides the point. i saw the sdcard folder in your zip and it made me realize that i had forgotten to put that config file in my original 1.3 rom. The Spanish and english ones were the only ones set in the default config file downloaded from xda in the new keyboard zip, but since i had checked out your rom, i used that one since I had deleted the keyboard zip. I did use stuff from your rom like the apks and config file, I'm sorry I didn't say anything to everyone in my thread. I had seen that .fingerprint in DarchLegend, but forgotten where exactly I had seen it, so when I saw it on yours, I decided to implement it then, in the patch that i released. I wish I would have given more credit to you all, I will now, but it's more than likely too late.
I don't want this to go on any more sounding like I'm just justifying my position (which looking over now, it actually does), It's an apology. I am not very good with words (as you can probably tell), and I wish I was right now.
I guess I just wasn't ready for this stuff yet. I tried my best, and I messed up badly, getting everyone mad at me. I'm truly sorry for what I said and did.
-Dan
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To everyone I offended, specifically blankd3ckskat3r and flipz,
I sincerely apologize for everything I said that was wrong and hurtful to the other great roms/makers. My rom was the worst out of all of them, so I shouldn't even had said anything. I never meant to hurt anyone, really I came here with great intentions. For the first time ever, I found somewhere where I was respected, liked, sought out for for help. I never had a place, even in real life, where that actually was true, due to me being an easy target. I realize now looking back that I should have never let myself say any of those things I did.
I should not have posted that post on blankd3ckskat3's thread. I wrote that originally for it not to come out sounding mean, just wondering why another was coming out of the same build, but looking back on it, it's horrible. I don't know what I was thinking. Anyone can do anything they want. It's just been a horrible week for me (personal things) and I was just really frustrated with life in general.
And for the credit. I am sorry flipz. I owe a lot of credit to you which I haven't given. I know it doesn't matter now, because you had to say something first, but I am sorry that I gave nothing. I did use your EStrongs explorer and Autokiller. I would have prefered to use Astro, but it expired 2 days ago. Besides the point. i saw the sdcard folder in your zip and it made me realize that i had forgotten to put that config file in my original 1.3 rom. The Spanish and english ones were the only ones set in the default config file downloaded from xda in the new keyboard zip, but since i had checked out your rom, i used that one since I had deleted the keyboard zip. I did use stuff from your rom like the apks and config file, I'm sorry I didn't say anything to everyone in my thread. I had seen that .fingerprint in DarchLegend, but forgotten where exactly I had seen it, so when I saw it on yours, I decided to implement it then, in the patch that i released. I wish I would have given more credit to you all, I will now, but it's more than likely too late.
I don't want this to go on any more sounding like I'm just justifying my position (which looking over now, it actually does), It's an apology. I am not very good with words (as you can probably tell), and I wish I was right now.
I guess I just wasn't ready for this stuff yet. I tried my best, and I messed up badly, getting everyone mad at me. I'm truly sorry for what I said and did.
-Dan
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Thank you.
And in case it wasn't obvious, this thread was going to exist even before those issues. But then while I was working on flashing all the different roms... things came up. If I may offer any assistance, the only real difference in your rom is the status bar monitor thing. I didn't actually look in to it at all, but it's the only explanation I see as to why yours wouldn't perform the same as others.
Stay in the community. Help out. Release roms. We need as much variety as we can get. But give credit where credit is due, respect everyone, and have fun.
regaw... don't beat yourself up... you owned up to it... move on.... i am pretty sure he is just trying to discourage flaming/trolling, and encourage more unity so that we don't lose anymore devs... i hope you will not be discouraged from deving anymore. learn from your mistakes, keep working hard, and move on.
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Thank you.
And in case it wasn't obvious, this thread was going to exist even before those issues. But then while I was working on flashing all the different roms... things came up. If I may offer any assistance, the only real difference in your rom is the status bar monitor thing. I didn't actually look in to it at all, but it's the only explanation I see as to why yours wouldn't perform the same as others.
Stay in the community. Help out. Release roms. We need as much variety as we can get. But give credit where credit is due, respect everyone, and have fun.
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Im only qouting the part about the system tray monitor thing. It is most definitly the problem, I had it from an old rom in my ext partion(I didnt notice). I ran a benchmark of my own and I couldnt get any lower then 13650ish. I read your post and then deleted the system tray apk and i just got 12896.
It wasnt running on any of my benchmarks but it went way down once deleted.
Where are yuo gone?
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Where are yuo gone?
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sigh..... read all his threads, SEARCH THE MANY POSTS THERE ARE ALREADY!!!
Wrong Section too, belongs in the bin
I also cant find his Posts - i know they have been closed, but have they also been deleted?
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MDJ's threads were in violation of XDA's GPL rules, the threads were locked and PM's were sent to him in early January with no response. Even though he was online and ignored the PM's he did not respond.
I know many are angry, but think of it this way, if someone is making a kernel that will run on thousands of phones, and using others sources which were shared, 1, you need to share your work also, 2, people have a right to see the code they are using to ensure it's not malicious etc. Why else would anyone not share their work when the GPL says you can use others as long as you also share.
Long story short. Since he is not responding to any PM's even though he has been online means that he is ignoring the MODS or hiding something. To protect XDA rules and members, his threads have been removed from public. We cannot leave the thread up as their are many GPL violations left for him to fix. Sorry if you've been using his stuff and he has abandoned you.
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hm i have the same question...
he does a very good work, and share his kernels....
i know the problems with the GPL and so.... but he spend a lot of time for this work and get only a asskick while he not share his code...
i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
but only the close and bann from this forum without a reason for the other users is not a solution.... we need a statment or somethink like that!
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I've been a member for a long time, and only a MOD for a few. If you loaned me your car for a few weeks and I refused to give you a ride. I'm sure you'd be pretty mad. Well the code and hard work that made the Linux Kernel was shared for free on one condition. That if you use it/modify or whatever YOU MUST SHOW YOUR SOURCE, not where you found it. Otherwise if your recieving any donations for your work on the back of other dev's hard work, then it's illegal and wrong if too many ways.
However this is too easy to fix. TELL ME WHY MDJ DOESN'T REPLY OR FIX THIS FOR ALMOST A MONTH? He has been givin many chances.
He will not be really missed since his work was based off of many of the devs here on XDA who had and do share their source/work on the kernels.
MDJ is not banned. Look him up. He is free to post or appear out of thin air here. But he doesn't. If he wants to, and fix his work, then he has options and his threads may come back.
noellenchris
strange business over a few letters in a title....
calling or i guess insinuating his code is malicious is complete bull****. he was just fine up until a rule changed then he was all of a sudden pure evil.
plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue. because thats what they are for. they dont play stupid cat and mouse games testing to see if the user will bend to their authroity and then delete their stuff when they dont. thats plain stupidity. all someone has to do is go to mdj's website by googling "ultimate droid" and then all of a sudden they have no reason to come back here. is that good for xda? to lose people over a simple tagging dispute that is completely stupid? do you remember how popular he was here? should we expect xda to take a personal vendetta against anyone who may be too busy to possibly answer pm's? are the mods cops or mods? are they here to help or here to just cull the herd so to speak?
personally i dont give a flying **** about the stupid drama between whatever children are involved. im not anyones friend here i just come here for android builds. they will most certainly pop up somewhere else if they dont here. i like this place but if it shut down tomorrow i wouldnt cry precisely becuase of **** like this...id just jump on one of the now many boards out there offering builds.
just being honest...
Come on people how hard is it to release your code???
Like Noellenchris said, it's all based on free open source code, he's recieving money for it, so it's not very ethical is it?
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a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I dont know why you feel that what was done to MDEEJAY was unfair... He is one hell of a chef I grant him that but rules are rules and they were created and set in place to ensure the safety of all the members of XDA-dev...
All he needed to do was just reply to the MODs but he never did. Him being banned on this Forum is a very big loss but there are other chef's out there that are as good if not even better.
I am not undermining MDEEJAYs work as I am still loving his HD nand versions and i will still say that his 10.4 kernel is one of the best out there. I wish he would just reply to the MODs so he could come back. As I know that a lot of us are waiting for his future developments.
Say all you want to say about the MODs and how XDA is being run. But I believe that this was done not to screw someone in the arse but to protect all of us users...
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i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
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Unfortunately that won't work.
The GPL licence is the licence the linux kernel is distributed under. That's not negotiable, as Linus Torvalds made that choice. As such, if someone wants to make changes to a kernel, they must respect the licence that the code is available under.
If you don't want to abide by them, you would need to go and write your own OS from scratch, which did not make use of any GPL code.
Since kernels are based on GPL code, and the GPL has been legally challenged and found to be valid, it is a requirement when posting GPL licenced code on XDA to follow the GPL licence. There is a simplified list of requirements available on XDA that summarise how this affects users here.
Compliance is not optional and is non-negotiable. If you will not provide your sources, you do not have permission to use the kernel (read the GPL for info), and as such anything released like this is "warez". XDA does not tolerate warez to be posted, and will remove it, following due process.
@lilelf87, there are rules here. If you do not like them, feel free to go to a site without rules. Rules benefit us all. I could recompile a kernel with a nasty rootkit in it, that would log everything you did, or watch keystrokes, or brick your device. If sources are not available, then how can you be sure that what is provided is safe? This is why the GPL exists. If you don't like it, then I'm afraid it's too bad, as Android uses the Linux kernel, which is GPL licensed.
EDIT: Thread moved to General/Q&A, and @memnoch2099, you are spot on there
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a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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a BIG LOOOL to you and all the people that share similar viewpoint on GPL. to consider striving for GPL compliance as a bureaucracy measure is idiotic.
OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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First, this only applies to kernels. If you are only making a tiny tweak to a ROM, you likely shouldn't be releasing it as an entire ROM, and instead sharing it with the dev of the original ROM to include in future (with credit), or to offer as optional to users.
If it's kernel changes, then no matter how small, you should share them. There is no need to upload the entire sources though. Here's how I did it for two tiny changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=848494
See the bottom of the post.
Base kernel (cheers, Erasmux, and big props) https://github.com/erasmux/hero-2.6..../flykernel-11c
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shows the stock sources used, and the modified CPU table and the touchscreen tweak were linked.
That's all it takes, and gives credit to the OP of the kernel, but also shares the changes without people having to download large amounts of sources again just to get changes.
That is all it takes
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OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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Thats the point of GPL.
Thats why Linux has most of no Viruses
hope 2 C U again, MDJ
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dont understand why he doesnt write back ?! just upload his sources to git and that's it ....
i'm waiting for him, he wrote the most and especially the best roms and kernels
still using his cm7 v2.6 rom, this rom is even better than the recently published ones.
didn't had problems with his one, every thing works from the beginning on - and the most important thing for me, mdj made many roms, so everyone could choose which is the best one.
pls mdj, just write back and continue your work
hope to see you again mdj
why did you closed all of his threads ? he uploaded the sources to git untill 3.01.2011 !!
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Pulser has made it incredibly clear and easy for you all to understand...
(oh and for the record, MDJ hasn't been banned, that's nonsense...he's free to make new threads any time he likes...he just has to comply with GPL requirements)
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plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue.
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We cannot change his threads because his git repository is outdated and does not reflect the current version of his kernels. He has been online numerous times since I sent him various PMs, but has not responded...we are not here to hold anyone's hand.
Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)
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Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:
1. the reaction/action of end users in forum threads and posts
2. the perceived "dev-snob"
3. lack of welcoming of a new "dev" by existing ones (really 2 and 3 can go together)
4. what makes someone a "developer" and the downward spiral in skill level of those who "develop"
(notice i put develop and developer in quotes a lot)
for starters there are often times here on xda (and other places) where there is blatant trolling and arguing in threads. In some cases its actually pretty funny, with light hearted jabs at one another, other times its pointless and wrong. ive been in my share of arguments and flame wars with people posting ridiculous stuff in my threads before (many of those said folks are now perma banned from here) and admittedly ive poked my nose in where it probably didnt belong in others' threads.
all in all i think the mods do an ok job of walking the line of enforcement. we've done ok with those who have moderated the fascinate forums...some of the other phones have mods who...well i wont say something ill regret
as to the "dev-snob" statement...yeah sure, there does tend to be a period of adjustment or questioning or confusion by existing rom/kernel/mod "devs" when someone pops out of nowhere and starts releasing stuff...the majority of the time, once a person proves their abilities, skills, or are generally a nice person who wants to learn or work with you that period of questioning dies down and all is well...more often than not though, people don't pop out of nowhere...they are forum or irc regulars who have expressed interest in working on stuff or theyre more well known on another device, and we are just getting acquainted with them
but there is the rare occasion (which seems to be the case the last month or two here) where an individual started their entrance into the community with a plethora of hype threads, posts, and otherwise where they claimed their "long awaited rom" would soon becoming. this is annoying enough, but when the long awaited works put out are nothing to really shake a stick at, ie just differently themed existing roms with placebo mods or completely inexplicable things done (market apps in /system/ on an aosp rom) it further irritates others.
imo thats getting off on the wrong foot
furthermore its gotten worse...insane claims that border on delusional have become the norm, ie: hybrid ios/webos roms for the fascinate! 245/23rds of the community use my roms! i dont remember making this thread! the rom will be out tomorrow...i mean the day after...i mean 2013!
or just examples of n00bness that would otherwise be fine (decompiling a jar anyone?) if not for the surrounding hype associated to one's abilities
in the past fascinate devs havent always gotten along...i think anyone around in the spring knows that tsm and friends didnt particularly get along with nitro for many reasons that i wont get into atm...but on the whole collaboration is frequent, legitimate friendships or at least good relationships amongst others are common as well.
now what makes a developer? i put that term in quotes so often because what who we classify as a developer is quite misleading really. I know at times ive considered myself as one or stated it as such (usually when irritated about something), but honestly by any real characterization as such im not..nor is scores of others who are considered in a similar way.
at best, most of us are modders/kangers who are good with comparing code created by smarter individuals than ourselves and then applying the differences to create newer/better/different roms etc. this is especially true to those of who work specifically on skin roms (touchwiz, sense, etc) because..the rom already exists, we just package a bunch of these mods in, clean it up and throw it out.
now that is an over simplification, and its actually a harder process than i make it sound, but its true.
now for folks who build aosp and kernels, id be more inclined to consider them a developer...linux adept individuals who build os/roms from scratch or at least with heavy contributions by themselves...again thats not the case for everyone, as just building a kernel from someone's source with some undervolt or overclock tweaks isnt much different than hacking a stock rom.
the same can be said for someone who compiles aosp from again, someone else source and makes minimal changes to it (theme, shoving some apps in, changing launchers)
no less than adrynalyne, doesnt even really consider himself a developer and is constantly brushing aside that tag
in the earlier stages of android (g1 through say the early og inc/evo4g days) the individuals who worked on roms and kernels were generally people who were either self taught with linux, went to school for something in the computer field, or worked in it.
since then (myself included) individuals who gradually got into rooting, and running custom roms and themes etc have come on the scene. i personally have no computer background and hadnt heard of linux until i got an android phone...eventually wanting to put different themes on my phone got me into understanding the structure of a rom (like many others have started out) and from there I got more involved.
the problem with this is, there is generally a mindset or chip on the shoulder that a lot of newer folks carry, and imagine themselves more important or greater than they really are...some of these individuals (and even those from the beginnings, cant execuse all of them) are great at self promoting and gathering supporters...just look at a certain other samsung phone on verizon, where an individual has become incredibly popular for releasing *throms* with little mods..but i digress
to me, a great majority of said folks can be snakes, begging for donations or notoriety or their own little version of fame
anyway, ive gotten off the beaten path and covered stuff that wasnt asked by the op...hope ive made *some* sense in some parts anyway
theres something to be commended for wanting to help out and get involved...but the term chopper coined says it well: "lurk, learn, and stfu"
hang around, gradually learn stuff, and keep quiet while doing so
it's teh interweb forums... if you take this **** that serious you have a problem.
Thanks for the post, @nitsuj17! I think you explained it very well... I also like the Chopper quote, and have tried my best to do that.
@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.
I think most are dicks because they get pissed of by others that are too f*cking lazy to search for answers. Most people just create stupid threads to ask the same stupid questions over and over again.
99% of your questions have already been answered on the forum...
@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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afaik it was chopper in irc one day and a bunch of guys put it in their profiles...at least as i recall it
Oic... Now that you mention it, it does sound like a "chopper-ism"
Has anyone seen John Connor?
@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.
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@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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LMAO...
Sent from your mothers bedroom
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@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.
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point is I have never for the most part noticed any dev or member being a **** to somebody that didn't deserve it. I'm sure the devs don't mind anybody trying to develop, but you better come correct. meaning;
ask before you kang somones work.
properly credit the devs work your using.
don't take another devs rom add a bunch of market add-ons and call it your own.
don't start a bs poll trying to get more recogniton and compare yourself to a well respected dev that has pretty much taken the fascinate to a new level.
I'm pretty sure the member you are referring to didn't follow along these lines and that's why he/she gets super trolled
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lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.
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Oh yeah! I remember that one! Classic flaming at its best!
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Speaking of the thread chopper the dog linked above ^^^, where are jptech and navenedrob nowadays?
Has anyone seen John Connor?
I voted for all of them!
Seriously, though, nitsuj is pretty right. I'd stay in troll character, but I am playing with my new Touchpad.
I play a **** on TV.......u left that one out! and boom goes the dynamite! hmmm maybe a new sig!
Please no!
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Well said. Thank you for the thoughtful insight.
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:....
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This is the dynamic of the interactions in any walk or at any stage in life whether it's middle, high school, your job, your friends or any social circle. Why would you think it would be any different here.? We're a bunch of regular guys that have two things in common: our love for android and disdain for apple. The rest is natural human behavior
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Hi Everybody,
Yes, me speaking about true DEVELOPERS in here(which is not make a rom based on other).Should they assign someone(MODDERS) who can make their rom more beautiful a.k.a retheme and place it under the ori one?
What goods in this?
1.to reduce(zero maybe) qtty retheme rom threads in DEV sec cause the modder
finally know & have the right place to share their talent.
2.ppl also know the right place to try any rom & give a feedback to DEV(bugs, etc)in the right thread
3.to reduce gaps between DEV & MODDER if their are working together.
4.thread based other roms also can totaly prohibit cause modder now can placed a rom under DEV wing.
5.to encourage these modders learn to make own rom if they insist to open new thread in DEV sec.
Again,why retheme roms threats not belongs in DEV sec?
People will complains any bugs in a false threads which it should be in ori rom thread.THIS IS NOT HELPING DEVELOPMENT AT ALL...
BTW,this are some suggestion only & forgive me if this will offend somebody cause im sincerely but no good with words
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Hi Everybody,
Yes, me speaking about true DEVELOPERS in here(which is not make a rom based on other).Should they assign someone(MODDERS) who can make their rom more beautiful a.k.a retheme and place it under the ori one?
What goods in this?
1.to reduce(zero maybe) qtty retheme rom threads in DEV sec cause the modder
finally know & have the right place to share their talent.
2.ppl also know the right place to try any rom & give a feedback to DEV(bugs, etc)in the right thread
3.to reduce gaps between DEV & MODDER if their are working together.
4.thread based other roms also can totaly prohibit cause modder now can placed a rom under DEV wing.
5.to encourage these modders learn to make own rom if they insist to open new thread in DEV sec.
Again,why retheme roms threats not belongs in DEV sec?
People will complains any bugs in a false threads which it should be in ori rom thread.THIS IS NOT HELPING DEVELOPMENT AT ALL...
BTW,this are some suggestion only & forgive me if this will offend somebody cause im sincerely but no good with words
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I partially dis-agree.
I dis-agree with the fact that modders should be assigned. Everybody and anybody should be free and distribute their mods (obviously giving credits etc and with permission of the original devs)
I agree with the fact this is not development.
I agree with the fact , that all mods should be placed under the original ROM
I was wondering , how would this concept work , if the modded ROM is based on two or more ROMS ?
I really don't think it is practical enough ? I really don't know...
Edit : B.Jay , I just ROFLed
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Lol classic
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Mayank77 said:
I partially dis-agree.
I dis-agree with the fact that modders should be assigned. Everybody and anybody should be free and distribute their mods (obviously giving credits etc and with permission of the original devs)
I agree with the fact this is not development.
I agree with the fact , that all mods should be placed under the original ROM
I was wondering , how would this concept work , if the modded ROM is based on two or more ROMS ?
I really don't think it is practical enough ? I really don't know...
Edit : B.Jay , I just ROFLed
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Thanks for reply,
This sugestion for DEV only & they will decide it.For exp:B.Jay decided no mods for his rom & we must respect that.(ppl doing it anyway even not in here)
For some DEV who would like to see their rom much prettier but dont have time to do it(focus on bugs & their had their real life too)can make announcement in their thread & invite somebody who can.
There is misunderstood in here cause me suggest for RETHEME roms only.Based on two or more roms,porting,works on stock kernel also considered a DEVELOPMENT(me not mention cause they usually came up with "package")& usually have diff bugs.The one im talking is the pure one which is a DEV 100% own it.The main point in this is DEV will know the bugs even if ppl on retheme roms and make space for these modder to share their talent legally in here.We have to admit,ppl would bother to have ICS if the ui is the same as GB,Like it or not beauty is the first impression.
Again,DEV can decide which is best for their roms.Im not pushing anybody in here just to share what I think sincerely.
I kinda understand your point...what you're talking about is a collaboration or a deal between the devs and modders...the only example which pops into my head when i see this thread is like nAa and D_d...nAa develops the roms while D_d designs the themes for the roms i know its not 100% accurate with what you're suggesting, but im just giving the best example i can
Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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IrishStuff09 said:
Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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Not bad!!!
the idea is great but developer will have to leave behind private life, family and girlfriend if he wanna do it by yourself! But if all developers have "their own Dark dogs" it may be possible!
Let me make one thing clear....dark dog is a rcognized themer !!! makes his own themes for minicm......soft modders JUST take a theme of achep and sony sekhon and others.....
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Let me make one thing clear....dark dog is a rcognized themer !!! makes his own themes for minicm......soft modders JUST take a theme of achep and sony sekhon and others.....
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Well said!
RohinZaraki said:
I kinda understand your point...what you're talking about is a collaboration or a deal between the devs and modders...the only example which pops into my head when i see this thread is like nAa and D_d...nAa develops the roms while D_d designs the themes for the roms i know its not 100% accurate with what you're suggesting, but im just giving the best example i can
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Rohin,
since im new in here,me not sure if this kind of tag-team has practicing in here.Only i can see so many retheme roms based on other which is can divine by 2
1.No developement at all-update only a look but bugs still in there.people complain bugs but modder cant do nothing to fixs it.
2. has developement- bugs fixing just because modder actually has knowledge to make own rom but make a easy way by used other or someone just pop up with fixing.
Conclusion is:anything at all should go to ORIGINAL rom thread.All complain,bugs,fixing,thanks,anything belongs to ORIGINAL DEV.
My suggest only for this purpose:
1.modder with or without rom knowledge-they have spot for them & maybe they can learn some with a DEV.Dev also can learn something from these modder.
2.Anything will go to right place(what i saying above)
3.If somebody not happy with idea ORI DEV got all,learn make ur own & retheme anyway u like.
Many great DEV has left us cause feel disappoint of these trend but not given us a childish excuse like"oh! im feeling so tired stick my nose to many my based rom thread for find what wrong with my rom"
Cheers
IrishStuff09 said:
Well, to avoid this I always thought that the Dev could UPLOAD THEIR OWN version of their ROM that's modded and themed.
e.g:
GingerDX v30
Original: DOWNLOAD
Sony Style: DOWNLOAD
ICS Style: DOWNLOAD
Sense: Download
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If dev have time & knowledge, they will.If modder are sincerely enough to help dev & just loved to share their work,i believe there no reason dev will say no
As a recognised themer myself, I can safely say that sometimes TRULY theming a ROM can be just as painful and time-consuming as developing it.
BUT it is not development nonetheless.
Also what is NOT development is picking up init.d scripts from Android General section, packing it in a developers ROM and re-distributing it as a new one under your name.
This discussion can go on and on but I am sure you get the point.
This thread is quite interesting, because I really feel a bit disappointed by all the "ROMs" that flood the Development section, when the amount of real developing is very low.
Let me also say, I am not talking specifically about X8 section, it is a general phenomenon in pretty much all Sony forums.
And who says that the themers aren't devs to?
Its very hard....
What about GPL and Open Source?
Not taking any sides here, just gonna play Devil's Advocate for a bit and see if anyone can answer..
Under GPL, open source code can be used, changed and redistributed WITHOUT the permission of the code creator..
nAa, paul-xxx and all the other devs here have done exactly that.. Taken the GPL code, changed it, and are redistributing it WITHOUT prior consent of the REAL code dev..
Don't you all think it's a bit much then that they require us to seek their permission to change code they didn't even write? Same goes for the kernels.. This is GPL code..
Anyone can compile code, in fact it's really easy.. You don't even have to understand code to compile it.. So remember, porting is not coding, it's compiling..
I wonder how many lines of real code belong to the devs here.. My guess is very little..
Let me know your thoughts on this please devs..
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got your point.. and u can be wright,
but when person x ask permission from person y that can be interpreted as respect person y's earlier work, so its not so bad, isn't it!?
What about GPL and Open Source?
It's actually a violation of GPL. (asking permission to use the code)
You can be prosecuted in a court of law for breaking GPL or trying to change code written under the GPL to another licence..
This is what is happening here and people should be made aware of this..
I would never ask nAa permission to change his kernel for example.. There is no legal requirement to.. In fact, if I ask for his source code, he must supply it whether he likes it or not.. He could face legal implications if he didn't..
I could then redistribute MY kernel anywhere (even charge for it) as long as I supply MY source code to the public.. This is how open source works..
MY FINAL THOUGHT ON THIS..
We should kick ass in the open source world, not kiss ass!
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CtrlAltDelIrl said:
MY FINAL THOUGHT ON THIS..
We should kick ass in the open source world, not kiss ass!
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agree, but this is totally of topic man!
iridaki said:
As a recognised themer myself, I can safely say that sometimes TRULY theming a ROM can be just as painful and time-consuming as developing it.
BUT it is not development nonetheless.
Also what is NOT development is picking up init.d scripts from Android General section, packing it in a developers ROM and re-distributing it as a new one under your name.
This discussion can go on and on but I am sure you get the point.
This thread is quite interesting, because I really feel a bit disappointed by all the "ROMs" that flood the Development section, when the amount of real developing is very low.
Let me also say, I am not talking specifically about X8 section, it is a general phenomenon in pretty much all Sony forums.
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For all due respect,
Me agreed that retheme also need a hard work indeed.in fact typing this also is hard for me& taking 1/2 hrs to finish it
That why me brough up this because me see Retheme also same important as make a rom.me try to see win-win situations in here.
1.A make a thread for his fresh new rom,he/she also would like to see it grow & alive
2.then B came up,open new thread with much beautiful rom based on A's.
3.ppl will definitely go to B thread & left A thread dying.
4.even worse,C came up with rom based on A's or B's
Now u think, are its fair for A since He/She has start it first?
True,make a diff also can called it DEV but are this kind DEV we want?
By hurting other ppl feeling?
So what me suggest is,A make some space for B and C.Ppl will stick to A's thread and it will grow as it should be without hurting anyone.
Meantime,if B or C still not happy with it they should learn to make own rom & do whatever they like.
God bless all.
p/s: Retheme me talking here is make own theme not based on other totherwise,I also can be a modder
Choice, choice and (wait for it) more choice
This is exactly what open source offers us... Choice and plenty of it..
A good programmer doesn't make a good themer - I agree totally..
What one considers visually appealing can look like sh*t to another..
Thankfully we have choice so everyone is a winner..
Everyone here should be able to find the blend of features, performance and looks they desire..
If not, they are free to take any rom / kernel / theme and build their own.. This is one of the freedoms the GPL affords us.. We shouldn't ignore it.. We should relish it..
I agree with the idea of grouping MiniCM, GingerDX roms etc..
It would make finding similar roms much easier and would help bug tracking..
I've yet to see one proper bug report on XDA though..
Have fun,
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You are bored stiff waiting for Samsung to release the official Rom. You just can't stand it any longer, and are determined to give one of the custom Rom builds a try. Fine.
I'm writing this to help you to survive this dangerous journey.
Decision Making Time
First off, you have to decide what do you want your future Rom to have. You can choose between two general types of Roms.
Touchwiz based Roms
They are very close to what you have got when you bought your Note. All the Samsung addons are there, including S-Memo, Clock Package etc.
AOSP/AOKP/CM based Roms
All the Sumsung apps are chucked out of here. Sumsung stuff is generally replaced by the similar apps from the Market.
Now, let us say you have reached your decesion about the general type of Rom. What to do next?
Pre-Flashing and Flashing Time
What to do
1. Make rounds through the Development forum, and read what each Rom from your broad choice has to offer. It's the same thing as when buying shoes; you don't purchase the first pair you come across, now do you?
In other words, try to make an informed decision about which particular Rom you want to have.
2. You have chosen, and are eager to download and flash. Hold your horses, though. Do the following:
a) read about the prerequisites. They are typically listed in the 1st post of the thread (OP). Here you will learn what conditions your present situation needs to fulfill prior to flashing.
Sometimes things have to be flashed/implemented before the final flash. Find out about it and do it.
b) read the installation instructions (OP)
c) read the bugs list, just to be sure. Perhaps some features that you desperately need are not yet functional. If that is the case, move to another Rom.
d) read the last 5-10 thread pages. There's always a chance that something new has happened and the Dev didn't yet have the time to update the OP (some bug has been fixed, a new one discovered)
e) download everything you need
f) repeat b)
g) repeat b) once more, just in case
h) flash, following the installation instructions to the letter. The Dev has spent countless hours perfecting your future Rom, and tested, tested, tested every possible scenario. When he says that things have to be done in a certain way, he is always right.
i) reboot once it's done
j) all has gone well, pour yourself a drink
What to do to make sure your flash fails miserably
a) don't read the instructions
b) read the instructions, but cut corners: "WTF, this step is unnecessary, I'll just skip it!"
c) read the instructions, but decide that you know better, and invent a set of your own: "What does he know anyway, I know it can be done my way."
d) don't read the bug list; this is a sure-fire way to become a proud owner of a brand new, functional and fully-rooted Rom that doesn't meet your needs: "Where dafuq is (whatever) feature?"
When you do a), b) or c) get on your merry way to Q & A forum to start your very own
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When you do d), off you go to flash another Rom.
SO.DON'T.DO.IT!
Post-Flashing Time (Thread, Here I Come!)
Your flash went well, there's no hiccups, you are rooted and happily playing with your shiny new toy. Excellent.
However, you'll soon want to voice your excited opinions and questions in the Rom thread. Be careful, be very careful; thread jungle is teaming with natives of all kinds. Majority of residents are creatures foraging for information - these are harmless. But - there's always a but - some serious carnivores are also there, make sure not to provoke them, or it'll be your life on the line.
Of course, there's the Dev, but his is a God-like presence and therefore not to be feared; he is a mysterious, aloof creature who doesn't interact much with the Thread Natives, for two principal reasons: 1. too busy developing, and 2. rightfully cannot be bothered to answer the same questions asked time and again. Thread Elders (or Veterans or Mums - those who know their way around and guide and help the foragers) are there to take care of that for him.
What to do
First and foremost, be kind and polite. You badly need Rom-managing information from people who have been running it for ages, and know your Rom inside and out. You'll get nothing if you are demanding or rude.
Before asking a question try to see if it's already been answered.
Do a thread search.
It only takes a minute, and you'll be surprised how much information you'll gather that way. Lots and lots of questions have been asked hundreds of times before. Don't expose yourself to ridicule (or worse) if you ask it for a 101st time.
Before reporting a bug, see if it is already listed in the bug list. Predators get very excited when you do such a report, and ugly things can happen.
Don't ask for ETA. It's pure bad manners. Always remember that the Dev is doing his magic in his own free time and at zero costs to you. Respect that; your update will come when it comes.
Try not to provoke people by asking for things that are NOT supported by the Rom. That just shows that you never bothered to read the basic information in the OP.
Try to learn as much as possible so you can start helping other people. XDA lives by that code.
What to do to get yourself killed or worse
1. When on AOSP Rom ask for TouchWiz (TW) features, and vice-versa. They'll eat you alive.
2. As mentioned above, ask for ETA. Lynching party guaranteed.
3. Demand stuff. "I want (whatever), and I want it now!1!" This is a capital offence. The nearest thread elder will start to take you apart immediately.
4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit.
5. Say "My previous Rom is much better than this one." See 4.
6. Start posting the same question in multiple threads. Someone on the prowl is bound to spot it, and you're dead.
7. Post a question in your thread, and re-post it 5 minutes later when no-one responds. You'll get a sound thrashing six-of-the-best style.
8. Never do thread searches, just ask what's bugging you ATM. See 7.
9. Visit the ICS thread of your choice and post: "I wanna flash this. Now, how do I root my GB first to get here?" They'll set rabid dogs on you.
10. Post stuff that will confuse the noobs. Like this: "The Dev says we are to install the Rom like this. But I have found an alternative way..." See 7.
11. Ask in and X-Rom thread: "What is better, X or Y Rom?" You'll get trampled to within an inch of your life.
12. Ask for the info that is posted in the Dev's OP: "How do I flash this...?", or "Does this Rom have (insert feature)...?" This carries a serious risk of you getting drawn and quartered on the spot.
13. Report a bug that is listed in the Dev's OP. See 12.
14. Quote a post with tons of pictures, so everybody has to scroll half a mile down to see what you have to say, then proclaim: "I love it!!1!" or "+1!" See 7.
15. Provide incorrect information with great confidence: "Can you use an ICS kernel on JB? Sure, bro, no problems!" Severity of punishment might vary according to the degree of damage done.
16. Lurk in the thread until the Dev announces that the new v13b is up. Wait 2 more minutes, then post: "What's the battery life like in v13b, guys...?" Electrocution ensues.
17. Post "Why my USB not work...?", but fail to tell them which version and kernel you are running, and what have you tried to do to resolve the issue. They'll just move along past you, ignoring you completely.
You get my drift.
Happy flashing and forum participation.
Assuming you and the guy linked below are related or great minds think alike.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1640510
Everything is covered in this thread, however I will re-state the "SEARCH" option.
Do it.
Do it again with a different phrase.
Do it a third time with another phrase. FIGURE IT OUT, BECAUSE 9 out of 10 TIMES IT HAS BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY.
Otherwise you will suffer the repercussions. You have been warned.
This thread should be stickied in every section of the Note Forum!
Nicely done and exceptionally written my friend
My addition...
to the What to do to get yourself killed or worse`....
Example: Do not post in the Stunner thread......what is better CM9 or Stunner? Or gloating about what CM9 does or doesn't do..... in a Stunner thread. Want info on another build...check out the respective thread for it. They are there for a reason.
MY biggie is...(in favor of both the noobs and veterans)
Let's not have everyone post their steps to flashing a rom. It is posted in the OP..for a reason. If you are unclear...we make ONE explanation. Not ten...ten leads to confused noobs and pissed off veterans...repetitive questions abound. I also say this because I have seen plenty of people posting WRONG methods to flash and they have partial root and are stuck. Not to mention, those searching have now uncovered the WRONG method and they become stuck, more questions.
...may come up with more later!
Thanks T, will be adding to the OP, but a little later (watching snooker now).
Anyway, this is a work in progress, everyone feel free to comment.
Awesome! Great work Chas
9. Don't ask how to root. There's already a thread about this in the Dev section.
10. Read, read and read some more before you ask about something.
Seems like a lot of hard work Chas!! Well I guess now we will see couple of less (Confused)goats wandering in the wilderness!! And lesser getting sacrificed on the alter!!
A must sticky!!
Cheers!!
No, this won't help. Noobs are noobs for a reason. They can't read and it's their first time on the interwebs.
Sadly they won't even notice this thread
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LordManhattan said:
No, this won't help. Noobs are noobs for a reason. They can't read and it's their first time on the interwebs.
Sadly they won't even notice this thread
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Buzz killer
Nice thread ,helpful to many noobs
And it gave me some good laughing
Very nice Chas keep it up +1
A very good thread, i hope every note user, new or non-new should read this.
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I know i know Sorry!
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very useful~~~ thanks a lot.
Thanks chas !
Perfectly explained !
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OP updated as suggested and some new stuff added.
Golden !!!
chasmodo said:
OP updated as suggested and some new stuff added.
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This one is Golden. A gem.
This goes sticky in the forums and in my signature Thanks friend for it !!
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One question - I am running a AOSP or KP (whatever) rom and i cant have S Memo in it and my SPen doesn't capture the screenshot when i press the button and hold.
Man i read through all the threads and couldn't find an answer! Phew 850 odd pages man...........
Make this in BOLD. No matter how much long the post is...READ if fully....every single word. Reading first two lines and then claiming that yeah i have read but couldn't find any info is like calling upon the lightening strike on yourself.
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In Q&A one person got his note bricked because he directly flashed the CM9 from stunner. If alteast the person have the eyes to read the RED line written (to flash CM9 from GB) which needs to be followed and not crossed he would have not been staring at his shiny new paperweight !!
Utterly offtopic - just made you the auspicious number 1100
This thread should be projected on the moon!
"4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit."
Some ROMs are total sh*t.
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"4. State "This Rom is ****e! Nothing here works!" The worst offence imaginable. The Inquisition is sure to arrive in numbers, and your life is forfeit."
Some ROMs are total sh*t.
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So? Flash another and move along, no need to despise..