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GPL Compliance

Thread below is merged from off-topic in another thread, and the contents of this thread previously. Posts may appear out of order.

wow - after the way lox treated feeyo @ cronos forum today I won't be touching this rom. very disappointing from someone I thought was above this.
c'est la vie. as someone said - progress. at least finally cm7 dev is sharing the work he's been raving about - I was beginning to wonder if this was real since until now he didn't update the public repository or builds since christmas 2010.
hopefully there are at least one or two things in the code that are worth using in the cgb rom.
certainly will be interesting to hear about performance - what do people think compared to cronos? most important are graphics performance and system lags since there are known workarounds for most of those in cronos that most of us are happy with, but it's still not as fast as something like elelinux 6.2 which is super speedy.
I'm surprised that screen off animations don't work since this is supposedly a gsm version of the same rom cdma guys are using (cm7)?
also disappointed that there are issues with usb connectivity since there aren't issues with cgb 009.
amusing too about the elelinux items such as the graphics library which came from experiments by the cronos gingerbread community while ele was sharing nicely with it's development. I should know - I was one of the first people on gsm hero to actually push those graphics libs and get measurable success from them.
anyway - so how's the performance in a/b comparisons with cronos and with froyo roms? and don't forget to write the cpu settings you test with please.

I can understand the feelings towards Lox re his treatment towards Feeyo, but when Feeyo has continued to mis-understand the licensing requirements of Android and not do anything about it, it will cause those who honour it's spirit to be a little pissed off.
It's not exactly a difficult thing for Feeyo to fix (make his sources compliant, which obviously it still is not).

swatsbiz said:
I can understand the feelings towards Lox re his treatment towards Feeyo, but when Feeyo has continued to mis-understand the licensing requirements of Android and not do anything about it, it will cause those who honour it's spirit to be a little pissed off.
It's not exactly a difficult thing for Feeyo to fix (make his sources compliant, which obviously it still is not).
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On topic, I agree with dkelleys assessment of what to set your clockspeeds to

Wow, I wasn't expecting that!
Oh, the drama....

Well I just saw this and had an Email from the Cronos site in my inbox.
What I find so stupid is that it takes them so darn long to actually request Feeyo to bring down Cronos. For me that is just silly, because you saw something that is out of the ordinary, I think it could have been solved like normal people, and not like this, to talk past each other and then do it like this.
Well for me I am a flash Junkie but I am not going to give this one a try, for the simple fact of the way business went down today.
Ow well I actually it is something you wanted to have, but didnt get in that PM on the Cronos site. And went beserk or something. I don't know.....

It's a shame such a talented dev has to be forced into obeying the community spirit.
Come on Feeyo ... we'll forgive you, your work is too good!

swatsbiz said:
I can understand the feelings towards Lox re his treatment towards Feeyo, but when Feeyo has continued to mis-understand the licensing requirements of Android and not do anything about it, it will cause those who honour it's spirit to be a little pissed off.
It's not exactly a difficult thing for Feeyo to fix (make his sources compliant, which obviously it still is not).
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Lox didn't even ask him for the kernel sources and when Feeyo delivered exactly what Lox had asked for Lox started accusing Feeyo for breaking GPL, then he reported him. That is bs.

People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..

A thread to talk about GPL compliance and ROMs.

in their own private cm forum a user says it has ugly graphics and that it's using much of the hardware fixes that elelinux and feeyo put into cronos gingerbread and that is is laggy.
So the results are in.
however on a positive note - it sounds like gingerbread "themes" might be working in this rom, as they are in cm7 for cdma hero afaik, so this is an interesting development. I wonder if those themes are also pixelated or if they've been improved for mdpi? probalby improved by the cdma hero users already which will mean that lox can just use those modded themes to improve his rom's appearance.

krygo said:
People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..
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Agreed.
I look forward to trying it out. The extra animations don't bother me too much as long as it performs well.

krygo said:
People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..
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I agree with you, but you cant suspect this to fly over, tbh, I think this needs to be brought out, Feeyo's been banned from this site because of this bull****, and now his own site needs to be offline.
Like I said, well now to put it better. Lox didnt get his lollypop and got mad and yelled at the bigger person who has the power to do something against it.
Somehow Lox acted in the way he thought was right, To me that is not right. But it happend to bad..

Should Feeyo be made to bring his ROM into compliance with GPL?

swatsbiz said:
Should Feeyo be made to bring his ROM into compliance with GPL?
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Yes. Everyone else does, so why does he not have to?

Thread created:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=929739

He has to. Everyone has to if they are using anything under the GPL.

krygo said:
People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..
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no, it's entirely on topic in this case. it was blatant and pure sabotage by lox of feeyo.
and FYI feeyo honestly believes that his very detailed research into the GPL and the way he's working with it is acceptible - and honestly who gives a crap about the GPL in this case?
He's been working hard, been very fair, shared everything but a couple of long standing controversial bits of code that shouldn't matter at all to anyone else, and is one of the major reasons why we have gingerbread on the hero.
His rom was ahead of the cdma hero community originally and has been ahead of the CM hero community all the way along.
It certainly looks as though Lox felt threatened by falling behind feeyo, elelinux and the rest of the cgb contributors. I don't know why - it's not a competition. But it certainly looks this way. It's VERY clear that lox and his CM friends intentionally went out to sabotage Feeyo and the cronos forum.
I'm a long time member here and well respected guy I think overall - I don't like controversy and I don't like people getting together in groups to attack someone. However in this case I recommended some self defence against Lox specifically by boycotting this rom since today he went far out of his way to personally be both judge and jury in executing Feeyo at his own home, cronos forum. Everyone says GPL, cut and dried, no if ands or buts, either share or you're going to be prosecuted. What they really mean is, share or you'll be persecuted. Share or we'll execute you even though we actually may not know all of the details of how the GPL works in every case and even though what you're doing might actually be legally acceptable.
There was absolutely nothing to be gained by loxes behavior today - he doesn't need and doesn't care about feeyo's kernel sources at all. He didn't ask Feeyo to discuss his GPl licence decisions, when feeyo has what he feels is clear fact-based research backing up his decision to keep some small parts closed source. Which really SHOULD be enough for all of us.
It's the same old crap from a new group of self righteous GPL followers who don't really understand the ins and outs of the GPL at all in a true, legal, manner.

swatsbiz said:
Should Feeyo be made to bring his ROM into compliance with GPL?
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Well, yes? Law is law.
And the fact his website has had to be taken down proves it wasn't just us *****ing about Feeyo or Cronos, that it IS a serious issue.
When modifying the Linux kernel and add stuff, you waive your right to keep your stuff private.
Feeyo, trying to obviously get ahead in the game or being a little selfish wanted to keep his scheduler and governor closed, which seems to have bit him in the arse.
It's simple. Make changes, share changes.

Lox haven't stopped Feeyo he stopped in first place US! Thank you very much for your initiative, dude!

My two cents

I’ve been on XDA for over a year now and have enjoyed watching new ideas, applications, themes, kernels, and ROM’s come to this site with a lot of hard work from all the Dev’s out there. For that I say thank you.
Over the last week or so I found myself reading about two Devs (no names mentioned) that apparently have been banned. From what I’ve read they were banned over donations not going to the people that actually worked on the projects. I’ve tested a lot of ROM’s from these pages and I’ve donated to several Dev’s on XDA. As someone who DOES donate for the incredible amount of time and skill that these people or groups expend on these projects, I’d like to ask how the donations are distributed to the “right” people. Do groups of people (maybe Team Nocturnal as an example) get together and decide how the funds are distributed or is this something that has a scale next to it (ie. The person that designs the lock screen gets this percentage and the person that designs the display properties gets that percentage). Is it trusted to one person that can then distribute to whoever they want at whatever rate they want?
I’ve learned a great amount on this and other sites that these devs work on and (having been in the computer field for over 25 years) would like to be sure that my donations go to the folks that actually did the work. Are you all doing this through the honor system?
The idea behind have an open source OS is great for the end user and sucks for the corporations simply because anyone can try and make the OS better as opposed to a single company pulling all the strings. The only problem with this is that it instinctively creates an opportunity for people to take credit for things they haven’t done.
The other issue that I’m beginning to see is a division of this site. Some feel that these two devs didn’t do anything wrong and will halt all there work because one of them has asked them too. The other side has the attitude that XDA must govern, and punish a dev for stealing someone’s work and only adding some superficial offerings to it.
So where is this going? Can these people, that are so on their game with Android (Linux), understand that it’s better to WORK WITH SOMEONE than to be out on their own? I hope that dev’s can understand that their artists…that they should be able to accept donations, and WANT to continue working hard…and that devs also continue to be courteous, and humble when other groups pour in their own time to help that project come to life. The honor system is the better way…I hope it’s not destroyed by a few dev’s that feel like cutting in front of the line because they know they can get away with it.
My hat to the administrators. I will continue to watch the stories, ask questions, and hopefully someday, add to what you design folks are pumping out.
My two cents…

If your talking about one of the devs I think you are. He did several things wrong, first being stealing donations, secondly backpedaling on a promise; thirdly not being a man and owning up to his faults and lastly openly stealing roms and passing them of as his own work. Instead this dev went into hiding and has not responded to anyone.. But however he has made at least 1 new account on here to try and soil others.
As for the people that think he's has done nothing wrong despite all the facts being laid out in front of them; I dont know what to say for them. How can anyone follow or respect someone that did what he did? Again I have no idea. I guess that just show what kind of person they are. The people you associate yourself with shows a lot about the type of person you are and your character
As for the gossip and the truth. Yes there are always 3 sides to every story. What one person says, what the other person says and then the truth. Once again if we are talking about the same person then the whole story is out there (check my sig). Since the other person will not come out of hiding and tell his side (which he doesn't have to, as everything is there and unaltered) then that just shows its the truth. If I was accused of those things and they weren't true, I sure would try to clear my name. And if they were true I still would try to make amends.
If we are not talking about that person; disregard this.
Now back to you regularly scheduled programming...
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Damn!! How many people is Jaredthefake going to get to try to clear his name??....hahahahha
You know if he spend half the time he does making fake accounts (2012oasis) and trolling our threads on actually apologizing for what he has done and making things right THEN we wouldn't have threads like this.....JUST my two cents!..hahahha
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Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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scottspa74 said:
Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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It is...hahahhahaha

Einstein's_Mind said:
^^^^^
Exactly the drama we all have to listen to...smh
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Then don't read the thread....smh
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Einstein's_Mind said:
You guys seem like the biggest fan boys of him....obsessed much?? Geez if you guys put half as much effort into ROM issues as you do obsessing about the past and about ONE individual then maybe all of your roms wouldn't be status 7 error (easy fix) but I'm done with you guys I don't even like this jtg guy but what a bunch of babies..
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Hahaha. Turn tail and run. Just like him. We are working on out from updates. We have what are called lives and jobs. Yea those things get in the way.
Well anybody on a team with some one will stick up for them.
Not obsessing about the past. This individual asked or at least posted wanton more info. How is filling some one in obsessing. Actually since my thread warning people about him and his slime ball ways, I have let the issue go.
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Okay.. This entire thread is nothing but drama from OP to end.
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The following extracts should suffice for the behavior I have been seeing lately in the threads:
Please be friendly: Showing courtesy and respect to others is a vital part of the Android culture, and we expect everyone participating in the Android community to join us in accepting nothing less. Being courteous does not mean we can't constructively disagree with each other, but it does mean that we must be polite when we do so. There's never a reason to be antagonistic or dismissive toward anyone; if you think there is, think again before you post. Mobile development is serious business, but it's also a lot of fun. Let's keep it that way. Let's strive to be one of the friendliest communities in all of open source.
The most important rule is friendliness. Remember: disrespect and rudeness are not welcome in our community under any circumstances.
http://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html
2. Member conduct.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.5 Courtesy towards other Members: Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can and always with respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
It may be hard at first. Please help those who lack the education by correcting their erroneous ways.
Nuff said.
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Teichopsia said:
Feel free to bump the ©[email protected]¶ out of this.
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Teichopsia you little good for nothing.... lol I kid.
I try to be polite and helpful as possible,but seeing the same attitude to ignore the rules of searching slowly changes people.
This is just my experience. When I first joined xda,I was fascinated with this large community and all the knowledge and information floating around. I always viewed xda as a place where one should pro actively search and learn,then contribute.
But after a while you see that this is not the case and the same question gets asked over and over. Or you have people state"I don't have time to read 100pages". I can't comprehend that. If your going to modify your phone I would read all I could BEFORE attempting it. I read and learned a whole month before rooting. Once I decided I've given stock its run I was beyond prepared when I rooted.
At first I was eager to help, but slowly I've been less so. Its sad really but I've skipped through many threads where I knew I could help but because I saw no effort in the poster I ignored it. To an extent I get the attitude of those that have been here towards the new people but I rather just go on with my day

You would have laughed if you could have seen my face when I read your first line.
I know what you mean. This is my first smartphone and all the research I put into it just to make sure I would get a good phone and that It would work in the country where I live. I skipped the whole blackberry mania (oddly, I dislike anything the masses go for - probably a good thing) and perhaps I'll even take a pic of my last phone (perhaps that way you guys can forgive half of my noobishness )
I too was eager to help at first and still am if I can. I have lost my patience a few times reading certain questions that don't merit being accepted by the submit button. While going through this phase I luckily came across a few posts which reminded me of what is was like being a new member (despite the fact that I spent the first month or so reading before my first post).
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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Teichopsia said:
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less

marsdta said:
I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less
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Nontheless if you have or haven't been, at least you are able to restrain yourself. I too have been somewhat rude at times.
We could go back and forth argumenting this and that. Which is fun. We both would have valid points (between us, you would probably win the argument ), the bottom line is, not only are there rules to search before posting, there are also rules to respect one another. If one person breaks the rule of not searching, would that give the right to the other member to break the rule of respecting? Sure, we all have our bad days. Yes, we can loose our patience, **** happens. What I can't condone is page after page of 'bashing'. That's just me.
After reconsidering what I was about to become (I'll probably loose my patience again - it's normal), and taking into consideration the little I know about xda, I would have thought this place is about helping others learn. Even if that means to hold their hands for a while until they learn, or just say screw it if they are the type that wants to be spoon fed everything.
All I'm saying is, if someone can't be nice then to do what you do, hit that delete button and ignore them.
On a side note this is my previous cell which was a gift from a friend who got tired of seeing my 'old phone' with a rubber band around it. - hopefully after seeing this you guys will be a bit patient with any future questions I may have.
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Lol jk.
I agree with you 110% I always try and be helpful when I answer the new guys cause I know how they feel. My DHD is my first Android phone and I learnt so much from it. I spent two days straight reading and watchng YouTube videos before I had the guts to root and join xda so it can be pretty terrifying when something doesnt work the way you want it to. So yeah bein friendly and helpful can go a long way, especially when you're new and don't know too much about android/rooting/your device
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Excellent thread guys. To me it's so simple. If a post is not worthy in your mind, don't respond to it. Someone else might help out. Or perhaps the person asking the question will get frustrated waiting for a response and search it out. There is just never a reason, in my mind, to respond in a nasty way.
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So You Want to Root and Mod Your HTC One

[A couple of the One XL guys asked me to cross-post this here]
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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC phone, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.​
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx​
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.​
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.​
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"​
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
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Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel​
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.

Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.

homer285 said:
Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.
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Quit being a cell master dude.
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Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.

LiquidSolstice said:
Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.
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Yeah where everyone's a douche

DigitaL BlisS said:
Yeah where everyone's a douche
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More like where most of us have actually grown up.

While this would make a great thread to educate new users, this is not the place to post it plus, some gifs (jifs) are less than tasteful, so those are removed from the post. This would be better off in the General forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256). Thus, closed.

rooted, getting rid of that weird icon

How do we get rid of that weird icon after rooting? The one that looks like a tornado/wind/hurricane... LOL

Is it hard to search?

I've been trying to figure that out too!

What icon is that? Lol are you talking about the NFC "N" icon?
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He's talking about this:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
It's the RCS icon.
It's been mentioned over 100 times. Now that he knows what to look for, I'll leave it to him to search.
Who knows, perhaps someone has a link for it in his signature?

I love how the search police always come out in force. For goodness sakes, just give the guy a link or move on. For me the only thing more irksome than someone not searching for himself is someone else telling him to search harder, better, more. I've been lurking here for years, contributing when I can. In those years, it seems XDA forums have become a way less friendly place. Just my 2 cents.

dave812 said:
I love how the search police always come out in force. For goodness sakes, just give the guy a link or move on. For me the only thing more irksome than someone not searching for himself is someone else telling him to search harder, better, more. I've been lurking here for years, contributing when I can. In those years, it seems XDA forums have become a way less friendly place. Just my 2 cents.
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Well it gets annoying especially when that is asked in the same topic of how to root.

It's threads like this one that annoys me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-s7-edge/help/best-twrp-root-t3491778
Yet I believe that I handled it pretty well.
Regarding "search policing", it becomes counterproductive to feed the members that don't want to search or read for themselves because those same members will continue to want to be fed information instead of finding it for themselves. They'll post a thread and wait days for the answer instead of spending 10 minutes to find it themselves. They half-ass it and next thing you know they get pissed off because they didn't know that flashing something would wipe their internalsd or they get stuck in download mode or they get stuck with a strange icon (like in this thread) that they desperately want to be rid of. A 10 minute search and 5 minute of reading would have saved time of almost a dozen members replying to this very thread. The OP would have his/her answer and additional knowledge/experience (funny how those go hand in hand) that he/she could not acquire by being given the instructions.
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In fact, next time perhaps I'll just quote an entire OP for the next person to inquire. It'll be much faster for them than giving them a link to click on. That might make it easier, then they will be missing out on the comments, replies, feedback, etc that the community has already given. That will also make it better for the OP to get his/her answers. Plus it clutters up the forum which is also a neat thing to do.
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Bottom line, XDA is a forum of convenience for it's members! They've built a search feature where it helps (not perfect but it IS helpful), threads are stickied, added polls, images, additional links, attachments, you can subscribe to threads, you can vote on their usefulness, etc.
Yet we continue to get posts like:
xxx said:
Hello guys,
my tmo S7 Edge today is at home.
Which is today the best and newer way to Root and Twrp this bad boy ?
Link if you have
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So naturally it's going to get people peeved. People like me that has spent thousands of hours here in the forum helping people, people like the forum administrators and moderators that sacrifice their personal lives by keeping this forum "newb friendly" and operational, people like developers that risk damaging their own devices for the sake of XDA's members then spend an hour making a thread with as simple as possible instructions (often with pictures for those that need them) just for a lazy member to post a new thread asking for all of it to be given to them.
So naturally, it pisses some people off.
See my point?
I'm not defending or condoning being rude towards the members but I honestly do feel that pushing them to do some work for themselves should be expected because otherwise they become a burden and can end up causing more harm than good towards the community (moral wise) and even to themselves due to the lack of knowledge (and experience) which can and often does result in damaged/bricked devices. If I'm not mistaken XDA is a forum where we try to prevent that, not encourage it. So my warped way of thinking is that if we "give" them the method to do something instead of "teaching" them it'll be like a students going to school without tools to learn. 100% lecture. No books, guides, visual aids, etc. Crap... in that case, we might as well have our teachers take the students tests for them too! After all we need them to accomplish their goals, right?
But if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I'll just set up a PO box and have members send me their phones and I'll do everything for them (for a fee of course) so it'll make it easier for them. But that would probably catch on unfortunately.

Well, to be honest. The best thing to do when someone asks a question like this is to say what the icon is called, that way they can actually search. Instead of trying to be over complicated with things. Cheers
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lunerceli said:
Well, to be honest. The best thing to do when someone asks a question like this is to say what the icon is called, that way they can actually search. Instead of trying to be over complicated with things. Cheers
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Just like I did in post #5?

I'm shocked..SHOCKED! that in the 8 years I've been on XDA that people haven't started using the search function! *sarcasm*
Just give them the answer and kill their thread. It's not like we're charged by the stupid thread or the stupid 50 posts following scolding the person or the mod that comes in annoyed.

Binary100100 said:
Just like I did in post #5?
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Exactly. I know not everyone has the patience to try to help others properly here on xda. Been here way too long to not understand that. Lol.
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The Root said:
I'm shocked..SHOCKED! that in the 8 years I've been on XDA that people haven't started using the search function! *sarcasm*
Just give them the answer and kill their thread. It's not like we're charged by the stupid thread or the stupid 50 posts following scolding the person or the mod that comes in annoyed.
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Rule 1 is to search before posting. Why is that do you think?
Failing to do so creates clutter and chaos the forum. That makes it HARDER to search because for those that DO use it end up getting a dozen threads created by members not wanting to search or read instead of getting what they were looking for.

Binary100100 said:
Rule 1 is to search before posting. Why is that do you think?
Failing to do so creates clutter and chaos the forum. That makes it HARDER to search because for those that DO use it end up getting a dozen threads created by members not wanting to search or read instead of getting what they were looking for.
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And what do the five pages of everyone making sure they get in to scold the person do for clutter?

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And what do the five pages of everyone making sure they get in to scold the person do for clutter?
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How would that happen if they were to search to begin with? They wouldn't post the unnecessary threads thus there would be less clutter and a happier community. Right?
Ah. The perfect world. But it'll never happen. Neither will stopping those that get annoyed at those that keep it from being so.

Binary100100 said:
How would that happen if they were to search to begin with? They wouldn't post the unnecessary threads thus there would be less clutter and a happier community. Right?
Ah. The perfect world. But it'll never happen. Neither will stopping those that get annoyed at those that keep it from being so.
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Lesson learned is let's all use search and let's all not make a big deal about helping noobs and annoying people. You're right. In a perfect world...

The Root said:
Lesson learned is let's all use search and let's all not make a big deal about helping noobs and annoying people. You're right. In a perfect world...
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Exactly. But then there will be posts like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69420786&postcount=1288
This person found the thread then posted in it asking if it would be possible to root.
Those kind of posts puzzle me because we can't give them the link to the thread (because they are already there.) You really don't even know if they have the phone to begin with, do they understand English? Perhaps the guide is too complicated for them? Are they asking for someone to do it for them? You just don't know until you probe further. But how to do that without sounding rude? How to keep everyone else from being rude to that person so desperately pleading for guidance (that was already posted in the very first post) on something as simple as rooting?
My perspective is this: I have no technical degree. None. I have experience. Experience from reading, searching and doing. Experience from making mistakes, learning from them and helping others if/when I can. I'm not a genius... but I'm not mentally incapable either. There are members that dive right in and exploit root and develop and ask for nothing in return accept perhaps the occasional expression of appreciation for the hundreds and in some cases thousands of hours dedicated for all of the members that only take them for granted. Then there are members that just want everything read to them, done for them, given to them. The forum is designed for them, not me, not the developers that are technologically proficient. The forum is designed to be newb friendly. We can post pictures, attachments, Youtube videos, links, etc. It has a search feature and it even has a nice feature that brings up possible threads to read when they start to post a new one to prevent duplicate threads from occurring (which is supposed to keep other members from feeling the need to flame the newbs.) Yet... these members STILL pop up. We still get duplicate threads, repeated questions, angry and impatient members ready to "newb-pounce." Then they become the "bad buy" and the newb becomes the innocent victim.
How the hell has it gotten to this? Simple. Laziness. People don't want to research. They want the quick and easy path. They want their questions answered A.S.A.P. without anyone getting pissy at them so they can go on with their lives with the profit that they feel entitled to while the rest of us pound on our desks, beat our keyboards, pull our hair out and (my personal favorite) "the bird" to the monitor with a click on the close button to keep myself from saying something "mean." But it's people like me (that won't spoonfeed the lazy) that are the "forum bullies."
Are we (the entire community as a whole) really expected to just respond politely with the answer to everyone's question without any sarcasm or rudeness? For all of those lazy people that just want to be spoonfed that will inevitably brick or cause damage to something because they skipped a step because they were too lazy or impatient? Those same people will only post another "HELP ME!" thread because they didn't take the time to do something right the first time.
I guess my messed up way of thinking is that tough love is spurring those members to do what they should be doing in the first place. Reading!
I suppose that's just my old fashioned mindset though.

Binary100100 said:
Exactly. But then there will be posts like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69420786&postcount=1288
This person found the thread then posted in it asking if it would be possible to root.
Those kind of posts puzzle me because we can't give them the link to the thread (because they are already there.) You really don't even know if they have the phone to begin with, do they understand English? Perhaps the guide is too complicated for them? Are they asking for someone to do it for them? You just don't know until you probe further. But how to do that without sounding rude? How to keep everyone else from being rude to that person so desperately pleading for guidance (that was already posted in the very first post) on something as simple as rooting?
My perspective is this: I have no technical degree. None. I have experience. Experience from reading, searching and doing. Experience from making mistakes, learning from them and helping others if/when I can. I'm not a genius... but I'm not mentally incapable either. There are members that dive right in and exploit root and develop and ask for nothing in return accept perhaps the occasional expression of appreciation for the hundreds and in some cases thousands of hours dedicated for all of the members that only take them for granted. Then there are members that just want everything read to them, done for them, given to them. The forum is designed for them, not me, not the developers that are technologically proficient. The forum is designed to be newb friendly. We can post pictures, attachments, Youtube videos, links, etc. It has a search feature and it even has a nice feature that brings up possible threads to read when they start to post a new one to prevent duplicate threads from occurring (which is supposed to keep other members from feeling the need to flame the newbs.) Yet... these members STILL pop up. We still get duplicate threads, repeated questions, angry and impatient members ready to "newb-pounce." Then they become the "bad buy" and the newb becomes the innocent victim.
How the hell has it gotten to this? Simple. Laziness. People don't want to research. They want the quick and easy path. They want their questions answered A.S.A.P. without anyone getting pissy at them so they can go on with their lives with the profit that they feel entitled to while the rest of us pound on our desks, beat our keyboards, pull our hair out and (my personal favorite) "the bird" to the monitor with a click on the close button to keep myself from saying something "mean." But it's people like me (that won't spoonfeed the lazy) that are the "forum bullies."
Are we (the entire community as a whole) really expected to just respond politely with the answer to everyone's question without any sarcasm or rudeness? For all of those lazy people that just want to be spoonfed that will inevitably brick or cause damage to something because they skipped a step because they were too lazy or impatient? Those same people will only post another "HELP ME!" thread because they didn't take the time to do something right the first time.
I guess my messed up way of thinking is that tough love is spurring those members to do what they should be doing in the first place. Reading!
I suppose that's just my old fashioned mindset though.
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Ideally I think the best answer might be to use the report button and explain in the comments that the mod might need to directly contact the poster and help with etiquette and answers. Then they can set consequences if the person is reported again for the same issue.

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Ideally I think the best answer might be to use the report button and explain in the comments that the mod might need to directly contact the poster and help with etiquette and answers. Then they can set consequences if the person is reported again for the same issue.
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LOL!
As a former moderator I can tell you that this would not work. Sorry.
They receive a notification banner on the top of the screen that you can respond to.
They do not like those kind of reports because that requires giving direct attention to the person that posted the thread.
That person in turn requests assistance from the moderator therefor making the moderator the feeder. So not only does the moderator have to spoonfeed but he also has to get to the other 20+ reported posts that are waiting as well. That's why they kinda turn a blind eye towards the kind of behavior regarding duplicate threads and the members that are so against them. The most they might do is reply in the thread with something like, "Search and read" then close the thread. If the same member posts another thread again, he'll just issue an infraction. Infractions doesn't really mean anything having ten (expired) points myself thanks to another former forum moderator. I've dealt with members that were in the hundreds! A member doesn't take it seriously after a while. Even when they (trolls included) get banned they simply open another account.
There's no easy way to deal with the issue unfortunately. I can assure you that XDA admins and moderators have tried for YEARS with various methods to reduce the problem but will even admit that it will never go away. The most that we can do is shrug, ignore that member (the actual ignore feature built into the forum which I have several people on currently) and move on. Hopefully, they get the message but they will never go without having someone being rude to them.
Seriously, people need to grow up! Stop whining about their hurt feelings. Sorry, but if you can own a phone and use a computer then I would suspect that you have had enough interaction with the real world to know that not everybody wears My Little Pony t-shirts and sings Barney songs! People are selfish, lazy, rude, inconsiderate, ignorant and arrogant but they are also helpful, selfless, smart, and patient. In a world of anonymity where anyone can have any kind of persona they wish you cannot possibly expect them all to be polite. Even if there are rules to require them to do so. It's just not going to happen.

I just give a slow clap. TBH it is easier for someone to post asking about something they know nothing about, like this thread, asking what it is. Then they can search. As a former developer, this makes things easier for the person posting. Not everyone know what everything is and if they don't know what something is then they cannot search for something they don't know about. Even inputting something things into Google won't provide the answer you are looking for. Lol. Another slow clap. Lol
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