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wow - after the way lox treated feeyo @ cronos forum today I won't be touching this rom. very disappointing from someone I thought was above this.
c'est la vie. as someone said - progress. at least finally cm7 dev is sharing the work he's been raving about - I was beginning to wonder if this was real since until now he didn't update the public repository or builds since christmas 2010.
hopefully there are at least one or two things in the code that are worth using in the cgb rom.
certainly will be interesting to hear about performance - what do people think compared to cronos? most important are graphics performance and system lags since there are known workarounds for most of those in cronos that most of us are happy with, but it's still not as fast as something like elelinux 6.2 which is super speedy.
I'm surprised that screen off animations don't work since this is supposedly a gsm version of the same rom cdma guys are using (cm7)?
also disappointed that there are issues with usb connectivity since there aren't issues with cgb 009.
amusing too about the elelinux items such as the graphics library which came from experiments by the cronos gingerbread community while ele was sharing nicely with it's development. I should know - I was one of the first people on gsm hero to actually push those graphics libs and get measurable success from them.
anyway - so how's the performance in a/b comparisons with cronos and with froyo roms? and don't forget to write the cpu settings you test with please.
I can understand the feelings towards Lox re his treatment towards Feeyo, but when Feeyo has continued to mis-understand the licensing requirements of Android and not do anything about it, it will cause those who honour it's spirit to be a little pissed off.
It's not exactly a difficult thing for Feeyo to fix (make his sources compliant, which obviously it still is not).
swatsbiz said:
I can understand the feelings towards Lox re his treatment towards Feeyo, but when Feeyo has continued to mis-understand the licensing requirements of Android and not do anything about it, it will cause those who honour it's spirit to be a little pissed off.
It's not exactly a difficult thing for Feeyo to fix (make his sources compliant, which obviously it still is not).
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On topic, I agree with dkelleys assessment of what to set your clockspeeds to
Wow, I wasn't expecting that!
Oh, the drama....
Well I just saw this and had an Email from the Cronos site in my inbox.
What I find so stupid is that it takes them so darn long to actually request Feeyo to bring down Cronos. For me that is just silly, because you saw something that is out of the ordinary, I think it could have been solved like normal people, and not like this, to talk past each other and then do it like this.
Well for me I am a flash Junkie but I am not going to give this one a try, for the simple fact of the way business went down today.
Ow well I actually it is something you wanted to have, but didnt get in that PM on the Cronos site. And went beserk or something. I don't know.....
It's a shame such a talented dev has to be forced into obeying the community spirit.
Come on Feeyo ... we'll forgive you, your work is too good!
swatsbiz said:
I can understand the feelings towards Lox re his treatment towards Feeyo, but when Feeyo has continued to mis-understand the licensing requirements of Android and not do anything about it, it will cause those who honour it's spirit to be a little pissed off.
It's not exactly a difficult thing for Feeyo to fix (make his sources compliant, which obviously it still is not).
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Lox didn't even ask him for the kernel sources and when Feeyo delivered exactly what Lox had asked for Lox started accusing Feeyo for breaking GPL, then he reported him. That is bs.
People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..
A thread to talk about GPL compliance and ROMs.
in their own private cm forum a user says it has ugly graphics and that it's using much of the hardware fixes that elelinux and feeyo put into cronos gingerbread and that is is laggy.
So the results are in.
however on a positive note - it sounds like gingerbread "themes" might be working in this rom, as they are in cm7 for cdma hero afaik, so this is an interesting development. I wonder if those themes are also pixelated or if they've been improved for mdpi? probalby improved by the cdma hero users already which will mean that lox can just use those modded themes to improve his rom's appearance.
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People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..
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Agreed.
I look forward to trying it out. The extra animations don't bother me too much as long as it performs well.
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People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..
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I agree with you, but you cant suspect this to fly over, tbh, I think this needs to be brought out, Feeyo's been banned from this site because of this bull****, and now his own site needs to be offline.
Like I said, well now to put it better. Lox didnt get his lollypop and got mad and yelled at the bigger person who has the power to do something against it.
Somehow Lox acted in the way he thought was right, To me that is not right. But it happend to bad..
Should Feeyo be made to bring his ROM into compliance with GPL?
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Should Feeyo be made to bring his ROM into compliance with GPL?
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Yes. Everyone else does, so why does he not have to?
Thread created:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=929739
He has to. Everyone has to if they are using anything under the GPL.
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People please. To talk about Feeyo and GPL make other theard in off-topic..
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no, it's entirely on topic in this case. it was blatant and pure sabotage by lox of feeyo.
and FYI feeyo honestly believes that his very detailed research into the GPL and the way he's working with it is acceptible - and honestly who gives a crap about the GPL in this case?
He's been working hard, been very fair, shared everything but a couple of long standing controversial bits of code that shouldn't matter at all to anyone else, and is one of the major reasons why we have gingerbread on the hero.
His rom was ahead of the cdma hero community originally and has been ahead of the CM hero community all the way along.
It certainly looks as though Lox felt threatened by falling behind feeyo, elelinux and the rest of the cgb contributors. I don't know why - it's not a competition. But it certainly looks this way. It's VERY clear that lox and his CM friends intentionally went out to sabotage Feeyo and the cronos forum.
I'm a long time member here and well respected guy I think overall - I don't like controversy and I don't like people getting together in groups to attack someone. However in this case I recommended some self defence against Lox specifically by boycotting this rom since today he went far out of his way to personally be both judge and jury in executing Feeyo at his own home, cronos forum. Everyone says GPL, cut and dried, no if ands or buts, either share or you're going to be prosecuted. What they really mean is, share or you'll be persecuted. Share or we'll execute you even though we actually may not know all of the details of how the GPL works in every case and even though what you're doing might actually be legally acceptable.
There was absolutely nothing to be gained by loxes behavior today - he doesn't need and doesn't care about feeyo's kernel sources at all. He didn't ask Feeyo to discuss his GPl licence decisions, when feeyo has what he feels is clear fact-based research backing up his decision to keep some small parts closed source. Which really SHOULD be enough for all of us.
It's the same old crap from a new group of self righteous GPL followers who don't really understand the ins and outs of the GPL at all in a true, legal, manner.
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Well, yes? Law is law.
And the fact his website has had to be taken down proves it wasn't just us *****ing about Feeyo or Cronos, that it IS a serious issue.
When modifying the Linux kernel and add stuff, you waive your right to keep your stuff private.
Feeyo, trying to obviously get ahead in the game or being a little selfish wanted to keep his scheduler and governor closed, which seems to have bit him in the arse.
It's simple. Make changes, share changes.
Lox haven't stopped Feeyo he stopped in first place US! Thank you very much for your initiative, dude!
I'm probably making a bad choice starting yet another thread on this, but this approach is different than the existing threads so it seems at least worth a try. This is a cross post from one of 'those' threads:
iOS and Android each have their strengths and weaknesses. The iPad2 and Xoom hardware each have strengths and weaknesses.
You can compare specs (or have a pissing contest) all you want, but in the end trying to convince people whose preference differs from your own to instead prefer the same product you prefer is a waste of time, energy and keystrokes. Your inability to change their minds does not mean your own preference is inferior. It just means different people have different preferences. Let them.
In the long run what this competition means is that we all get a bunch of awesome gadgets to choose from. So stop worrying that some people prefer different things than you do. Spend that time and energy enjoying your preferences and your gadgets instead.
Honestly the only annoying people left are the ones that only own an ipad and come in here to tell us how great it is.
This forum is for xoom owner discusion, nothing else. Any thread about the ipad should be deleted IMO.
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slshults said:
I'm probably making a bad choice starting yet another thread on this, but this approach is different than the existing threads so it seems at least worth a try. This is a cross post from one of 'those' threads:
iOS and Android each have their strengths and weaknesses. The iPad2 and Xoom hardware each have strengths and weaknesses.
You can compare specs (or have a pissing contest) all you want, but in the end trying to convince people whose preference differs from your own to instead prefer the same product you prefer is a waste of time, energy and keystrokes. Your inability to change their minds does not mean your own preference is inferior. It just means different people have different preferences. Let them.
In the long run what this competition means is that we all get a bunch of awesome gadgets to choose from. So stop worrying that some people prefer different things than you do. Spend that time and energy enjoying your preferences and your gadgets instead.
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Yeah, it's getting old. I don't come here for iOS vs. Android debates.
Bauxite said:
Honestly the only annoying people left are the ones that only own an ipad and come in here to tell us how great it is.
This forum is for xoom owner discusion, nothing else. Any thread about the ipad should be deleted IMO.
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That would be true if you didn't have "what my Xoom can do that an iPad can't" posts. I own an iPad (and a several Android devices), and there will always be people who own both iOS and Android devices. If someone posts something bashing iOS and an iOS user disagrees, they have just as much right to discuss it as the OP -- especially if that person is a Xoom owner too.
Let's just say "no" to this stupidity.
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Yeah, it's getting old. I don't come here for iOS vs. Android debates.
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I had to reply, then why are you on this thread?
No really, we have all made our decision to buy what works best for us, why is there a debate? Oh, yea I guess some didn't do their homework.
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I had to reply, then why are you on this thread?
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Because I think it's important for us to say when we think topics are unwelcome. You can see that a number of people are starting to say the iOS posts are annoying and pointless. If we don't say that, we run the risk of the fan boys on both sides going on and on about it.
Unfortunately, I was one until just recently. My mistake wasn't in posting this, it was in replying in support of one OS over another before I realized it was going to result in three of the top five posts in the Xoom forum being about iPad vs. Xoom.
Now, if I had said, "don't reply to these idiots!" you might have a point. But it is completely valid to say that a topic is getting old.
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No really, we have all made our decision to buy what works best for us, why is there a debate? Oh, yea I guess some didn't do their homework.
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I had to reply, then why are you on this thread?
One valid reason to reply to the thread might be to support concept presented by the OP.
Oh, wait, that's me. I'm tooting my own horn. And it feels reeeeally good so maybe I need some alone time now...
Aren't we all just looking for a little attention.
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Aren't we all just looking for a little attention.
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slshults said:
I'm probably making a bad choice starting yet another thread on this, but this approach is different than the existing threads so it seems at least worth a try. This is a cross post from one of 'those' threads:
iOS and Android each have their strengths and weaknesses. The iPad2 and Xoom hardware each have strengths and weaknesses.
You can compare specs (or have a pissing contest) all you want, but in the end trying to convince people whose preference differs from your own to instead prefer the same product you prefer is a waste of time, energy and keystrokes. Your inability to change their minds does not mean your own preference is inferior. It just means different people have different preferences. Let them.
In the long run what this competition means is that we all get a bunch of awesome gadgets to choose from. So stop worrying that some people prefer different things than you do. Spend that time and energy enjoying your preferences and your gadgets instead.
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The bad blood comes from the top down. Steve Jobs is always trash talking and lying about Apple's competitors and his sheep are just towing the party line.
You don't see RIMM, Google, Sony, Samsung, HTC CEO's doing that.
Yes, iPad is number one (for now), but that doesn't give you an excuse to be a complete f*cking douche bag and lie about your competition (deliberated mis-quoted Samsung CEO's and all the other times in the past).
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The bad blood comes from the top down. Steve Jobs is always trash talking and lying about Apple's competitors and his sheep are just towing the party line.
You don't see RIMM, Google, Sony, Samsung, HTC CEO's doing that.
Yes, iPad is number one (for now), but that doesn't give you an excuse to be a complete f*cking douche and lie about your competition (deliberated mis-quoted Samsung CEO's and all the other times in the past).
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As much as I would like to agree with you being a xoom owner, xoom did have some commercials insinuating ipad users are all koolaid drinkers.
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The bad blood comes from the top down. Steve Jobs is always trash talking and lying about Apple's competitors and his sheep are just towing the party line.
You don't see RIMM, Google, Sony, Samsung, HTC CEO's doing that.
Yes, iPad is number one (for now), but that doesn't give you an excuse to be a complete f*cking douche bag and lie about your competition (deliberated mis-quoted Samsung CEO's and all the other times in the past).
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I just posted this in another thread and think it's quite relevant to this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12077052&postcount=7
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I just posted this in another thread and think it's quite relevant to this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12077052&postcount=7
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quite!
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Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)
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Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:
1. the reaction/action of end users in forum threads and posts
2. the perceived "dev-snob"
3. lack of welcoming of a new "dev" by existing ones (really 2 and 3 can go together)
4. what makes someone a "developer" and the downward spiral in skill level of those who "develop"
(notice i put develop and developer in quotes a lot)
for starters there are often times here on xda (and other places) where there is blatant trolling and arguing in threads. In some cases its actually pretty funny, with light hearted jabs at one another, other times its pointless and wrong. ive been in my share of arguments and flame wars with people posting ridiculous stuff in my threads before (many of those said folks are now perma banned from here) and admittedly ive poked my nose in where it probably didnt belong in others' threads.
all in all i think the mods do an ok job of walking the line of enforcement. we've done ok with those who have moderated the fascinate forums...some of the other phones have mods who...well i wont say something ill regret
as to the "dev-snob" statement...yeah sure, there does tend to be a period of adjustment or questioning or confusion by existing rom/kernel/mod "devs" when someone pops out of nowhere and starts releasing stuff...the majority of the time, once a person proves their abilities, skills, or are generally a nice person who wants to learn or work with you that period of questioning dies down and all is well...more often than not though, people don't pop out of nowhere...they are forum or irc regulars who have expressed interest in working on stuff or theyre more well known on another device, and we are just getting acquainted with them
but there is the rare occasion (which seems to be the case the last month or two here) where an individual started their entrance into the community with a plethora of hype threads, posts, and otherwise where they claimed their "long awaited rom" would soon becoming. this is annoying enough, but when the long awaited works put out are nothing to really shake a stick at, ie just differently themed existing roms with placebo mods or completely inexplicable things done (market apps in /system/ on an aosp rom) it further irritates others.
imo thats getting off on the wrong foot
furthermore its gotten worse...insane claims that border on delusional have become the norm, ie: hybrid ios/webos roms for the fascinate! 245/23rds of the community use my roms! i dont remember making this thread! the rom will be out tomorrow...i mean the day after...i mean 2013!
or just examples of n00bness that would otherwise be fine (decompiling a jar anyone?) if not for the surrounding hype associated to one's abilities
in the past fascinate devs havent always gotten along...i think anyone around in the spring knows that tsm and friends didnt particularly get along with nitro for many reasons that i wont get into atm...but on the whole collaboration is frequent, legitimate friendships or at least good relationships amongst others are common as well.
now what makes a developer? i put that term in quotes so often because what who we classify as a developer is quite misleading really. I know at times ive considered myself as one or stated it as such (usually when irritated about something), but honestly by any real characterization as such im not..nor is scores of others who are considered in a similar way.
at best, most of us are modders/kangers who are good with comparing code created by smarter individuals than ourselves and then applying the differences to create newer/better/different roms etc. this is especially true to those of who work specifically on skin roms (touchwiz, sense, etc) because..the rom already exists, we just package a bunch of these mods in, clean it up and throw it out.
now that is an over simplification, and its actually a harder process than i make it sound, but its true.
now for folks who build aosp and kernels, id be more inclined to consider them a developer...linux adept individuals who build os/roms from scratch or at least with heavy contributions by themselves...again thats not the case for everyone, as just building a kernel from someone's source with some undervolt or overclock tweaks isnt much different than hacking a stock rom.
the same can be said for someone who compiles aosp from again, someone else source and makes minimal changes to it (theme, shoving some apps in, changing launchers)
no less than adrynalyne, doesnt even really consider himself a developer and is constantly brushing aside that tag
in the earlier stages of android (g1 through say the early og inc/evo4g days) the individuals who worked on roms and kernels were generally people who were either self taught with linux, went to school for something in the computer field, or worked in it.
since then (myself included) individuals who gradually got into rooting, and running custom roms and themes etc have come on the scene. i personally have no computer background and hadnt heard of linux until i got an android phone...eventually wanting to put different themes on my phone got me into understanding the structure of a rom (like many others have started out) and from there I got more involved.
the problem with this is, there is generally a mindset or chip on the shoulder that a lot of newer folks carry, and imagine themselves more important or greater than they really are...some of these individuals (and even those from the beginnings, cant execuse all of them) are great at self promoting and gathering supporters...just look at a certain other samsung phone on verizon, where an individual has become incredibly popular for releasing *throms* with little mods..but i digress
to me, a great majority of said folks can be snakes, begging for donations or notoriety or their own little version of fame
anyway, ive gotten off the beaten path and covered stuff that wasnt asked by the op...hope ive made *some* sense in some parts anyway
theres something to be commended for wanting to help out and get involved...but the term chopper coined says it well: "lurk, learn, and stfu"
hang around, gradually learn stuff, and keep quiet while doing so
it's teh interweb forums... if you take this **** that serious you have a problem.
Thanks for the post, @nitsuj17! I think you explained it very well... I also like the Chopper quote, and have tried my best to do that.
@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.
I think most are dicks because they get pissed of by others that are too f*cking lazy to search for answers. Most people just create stupid threads to ask the same stupid questions over and over again.
99% of your questions have already been answered on the forum...
@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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afaik it was chopper in irc one day and a bunch of guys put it in their profiles...at least as i recall it
Oic... Now that you mention it, it does sound like a "chopper-ism"
Has anyone seen John Connor?
@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.
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@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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LMAO...
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@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.
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point is I have never for the most part noticed any dev or member being a **** to somebody that didn't deserve it. I'm sure the devs don't mind anybody trying to develop, but you better come correct. meaning;
ask before you kang somones work.
properly credit the devs work your using.
don't take another devs rom add a bunch of market add-ons and call it your own.
don't start a bs poll trying to get more recogniton and compare yourself to a well respected dev that has pretty much taken the fascinate to a new level.
I'm pretty sure the member you are referring to didn't follow along these lines and that's why he/she gets super trolled
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lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.
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Oh yeah! I remember that one! Classic flaming at its best!
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Speaking of the thread chopper the dog linked above ^^^, where are jptech and navenedrob nowadays?
Has anyone seen John Connor?
I voted for all of them!
Seriously, though, nitsuj is pretty right. I'd stay in troll character, but I am playing with my new Touchpad.
I play a **** on TV.......u left that one out! and boom goes the dynamite! hmmm maybe a new sig!
Please no!
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Well said. Thank you for the thoughtful insight.
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:....
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This is the dynamic of the interactions in any walk or at any stage in life whether it's middle, high school, your job, your friends or any social circle. Why would you think it would be any different here.? We're a bunch of regular guys that have two things in common: our love for android and disdain for apple. The rest is natural human behavior
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The following extracts should suffice for the behavior I have been seeing lately in the threads:
Please be friendly: Showing courtesy and respect to others is a vital part of the Android culture, and we expect everyone participating in the Android community to join us in accepting nothing less. Being courteous does not mean we can't constructively disagree with each other, but it does mean that we must be polite when we do so. There's never a reason to be antagonistic or dismissive toward anyone; if you think there is, think again before you post. Mobile development is serious business, but it's also a lot of fun. Let's keep it that way. Let's strive to be one of the friendliest communities in all of open source.
The most important rule is friendliness. Remember: disrespect and rudeness are not welcome in our community under any circumstances.
http://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html
2. Member conduct.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.5 Courtesy towards other Members: Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can and always with respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
It may be hard at first. Please help those who lack the education by correcting their erroneous ways.
Nuff said.
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Feel free to bump the ©[email protected]¶ out of this.
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Feel free to bump the ©[email protected]¶ out of this.
Sent from a dream.
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Teichopsia you little good for nothing.... lol I kid.
I try to be polite and helpful as possible,but seeing the same attitude to ignore the rules of searching slowly changes people.
This is just my experience. When I first joined xda,I was fascinated with this large community and all the knowledge and information floating around. I always viewed xda as a place where one should pro actively search and learn,then contribute.
But after a while you see that this is not the case and the same question gets asked over and over. Or you have people state"I don't have time to read 100pages". I can't comprehend that. If your going to modify your phone I would read all I could BEFORE attempting it. I read and learned a whole month before rooting. Once I decided I've given stock its run I was beyond prepared when I rooted.
At first I was eager to help, but slowly I've been less so. Its sad really but I've skipped through many threads where I knew I could help but because I saw no effort in the poster I ignored it. To an extent I get the attitude of those that have been here towards the new people but I rather just go on with my day
You would have laughed if you could have seen my face when I read your first line.
I know what you mean. This is my first smartphone and all the research I put into it just to make sure I would get a good phone and that It would work in the country where I live. I skipped the whole blackberry mania (oddly, I dislike anything the masses go for - probably a good thing) and perhaps I'll even take a pic of my last phone (perhaps that way you guys can forgive half of my noobishness )
I too was eager to help at first and still am if I can. I have lost my patience a few times reading certain questions that don't merit being accepted by the submit button. While going through this phase I luckily came across a few posts which reminded me of what is was like being a new member (despite the fact that I spent the first month or so reading before my first post).
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less
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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less
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Nontheless if you have or haven't been, at least you are able to restrain yourself. I too have been somewhat rude at times.
We could go back and forth argumenting this and that. Which is fun. We both would have valid points (between us, you would probably win the argument ), the bottom line is, not only are there rules to search before posting, there are also rules to respect one another. If one person breaks the rule of not searching, would that give the right to the other member to break the rule of respecting? Sure, we all have our bad days. Yes, we can loose our patience, **** happens. What I can't condone is page after page of 'bashing'. That's just me.
After reconsidering what I was about to become (I'll probably loose my patience again - it's normal), and taking into consideration the little I know about xda, I would have thought this place is about helping others learn. Even if that means to hold their hands for a while until they learn, or just say screw it if they are the type that wants to be spoon fed everything.
All I'm saying is, if someone can't be nice then to do what you do, hit that delete button and ignore them.
On a side note this is my previous cell which was a gift from a friend who got tired of seeing my 'old phone' with a rubber band around it. - hopefully after seeing this you guys will be a bit patient with any future questions I may have.
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I agree with you 110% I always try and be helpful when I answer the new guys cause I know how they feel. My DHD is my first Android phone and I learnt so much from it. I spent two days straight reading and watchng YouTube videos before I had the guts to root and join xda so it can be pretty terrifying when something doesnt work the way you want it to. So yeah bein friendly and helpful can go a long way, especially when you're new and don't know too much about android/rooting/your device
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Excellent thread guys. To me it's so simple. If a post is not worthy in your mind, don't respond to it. Someone else might help out. Or perhaps the person asking the question will get frustrated waiting for a response and search it out. There is just never a reason, in my mind, to respond in a nasty way.
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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC phone, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
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Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.
Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.
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Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.
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Quit being a cell master dude.
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Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.
LiquidSolstice said:
Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.
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Yeah where everyone's a douche
DigitaL BlisS said:
Yeah where everyone's a douche
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More like where most of us have actually grown up.
While this would make a great thread to educate new users, this is not the place to post it plus, some gifs (jifs) are less than tasteful, so those are removed from the post. This would be better off in the General forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256). Thus, closed.