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I simply don't get why there are so many useless ROMs

the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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I think these developers do a great job and have revolutionised Android roms. But I have to say I do agree with you to some degree. I think the fault is not with the Developers (give them credit for trying) but in fact the fault is with the big Fat Cats of the world like Google, HTC, Sony Ericsson etc who so easily could invent a great Android rom if they wanted to. I guess money talks!

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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I agree to some extent, with the ROMs which claim to be 'based on Hyperdroid' or 'based on NDT MIUI' but are, in actual fact, just those ROMs with some APKs edited, but if people have built their own ROM from scratch then they have a right to post in the dev section even if they aren't of 'developer' status.

lol...there is like 8-9 different Miui ROMs on first 2 pages.... all of them pretty much the same as original and only 2 are from real devs that actually know what they are doing....extra 6 useless ROMs are just taking space

To make it short, agreed.
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I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
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mzebrowski13 said:
I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
Sent from my Desire HD
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Sorry but you make no sense...
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To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well

mzebrowski13 said:
I'm waiting for your Rom. Don't you get it that our phone is simply old and soon unfortunately will be history?
Sent from my Desire HD
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old maybe.. history not for a long time
the hd2 is bettor then 99 percent of all the other phones out there
since you seem to think its history
maybe you should sell it to someone that would appreciate it
and move onto somewhere else

seanyuan62 said:
To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well
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Very good idea. I think this would work.

kolyan said:
the whole development section is bloated with useless ROMs from people that call themselves "developers" and yet all they do is change themes and apps inside the Rom and call it their own, more over they even introduce more bugs to already perfect ROMs made by real devs.
I mean are some people really that stupid and can't remove and install their own app and themes?
LEAVE THE ROOM FOR DEVS. STOP POSTING JUNK ROMS!
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All the roads and car Parks where I live get full of teens with custom body kits on their cars.
WHY MUST THEY ALL ALTER THEIR PERFECTLY WORKING CARS? ? CAN'T THEY ALL JUST DRIVE THE SAME CAR!
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The whole point of xda is taking things that already exist and tweaking them, then releasing the results back to the community, where it may or may not get re-tweaked and re released.
The dev section would be almost empty if only original builds were allowed, and we'd all be using one of three or four options,,, ,dull.

Nigeldg said:
Very good idea. I think this would work.
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Of course, the next problem would be our HD2 section having a million sub-forums lol...

seanyuan62 said:
Of course, the next problem would be our HD2 section having a million sub-forums lol...
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hahahahahahahahahahaha true.....
All the people out there that they are developing or they are Trying to develop on HD2 have the right to give it a try cause you see...... ANDROID OS its Open-source that means everyone can try it... so who are you to judge the half xda (cause they are not all perfect programmers around here)???
Show me your work and i will respect your words
Always with respect and friendly speaking
Peace all over dudes of XDA!

Dakargr said:
hahahahahahahahahahaha true.....
All the people out there that they are developing or they are Trying to develop on HD2 have the right to give it a try cause you see...... ANDROID OS its Open-source that means everyone can try it... so who are you to judge the half xda (cause they are not all perfect programmers around here)???
Show me your work and i will respect your words
Always with respect and friendly speaking
Peace all over dudes of XDA!
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I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.

Nigeldg said:
I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.
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:O my mistake then...!!
Hmm then i think i will agree with you for the two sub-forums

Searching for a good ROM on the Development section feels like this :
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However, better than nothing, prior to the summer, development was dead...

seanyuan62 said:
To any moderators:
a great idea would be to add an origional NAND android development (for ROM's built from scratch by true devs) and a separate NAND android development thread for the lighter developers who theme and mod roms. I know the SGSII forums have such an organization and works very well
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I love this idea. I very much like the openness of Android and agree everyone should be able to tailor their Android devices to their own wishes. HOWEVER, the current situation is very much overwhelming.

Nigeldg said:
I don't think you fully understand, the problem is not in people posting their themed ROMs, it's that these 'ROMs' are cluttering up the development forum, quite a lot of them unnecessarily. Nobody here is saying that these people cannot develop good ROMs, it's just that there should be two sub-forums for ROMs developed from scratch (Original Android Development) and ROMs which have been edited and themed (can't think of a name right now). This would make it much easier to choose a ROM.
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how are they cluttering up the the dev forum? id rather see more people trying to help and keep the hd2 alive than see it die off due to people saying that their work isnt appreciated.
thats why there is a set naming convention in the dev forum, so you can see from the title what the rom is based on

But how to decide what's original and what's just tweaked? All the cm7 builds for example, are based off a single rom for a different phone, so do they count as original, or tweaked skinned rereleases?

Richy99 said:
how are they cluttering up the the dev forum? id rather see more people trying to help and keep the hd2 alive than see it die off due to people saying that their work isnt appreciated.
thats why there is a set naming convention in the dev forum, so you can see from the title what the rom is based on
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Looking down the thread titles in the dev sections right now, you cannot argue that there are too many ROMs which are all pretty much the same but with different kernels, or a few tweaks etc. I agree that this is infinitely better than the period before the Summer where there was almost no development, but I don't think that there should be so many of the same thing in the main forum. I agree with seanyuan62, there should be two different NAND development forums.
Also, your point about work not being appreciated isn't true at all, the work is still appreciated just as much, nobody is saying that we don't want those ROMs, just that they should be in a separate forum.
Take, as a good example, Dorimanx's ROM. It is simply Typhoon but skinned and tweaked for better performance from my understanding (APOLOGIES IF I'M WRONG) but is clearly appreciated hugely.
As for the naming thing, it isn't necessarily too clear, all have the Android version, Sense version, date, and whatever else there is in the titles, but it isn't easy to see what each ROM has to it which is unique to that ROM. It is also far too easy to BS in the title (one is advertised as 'the fastest HD2 ROM'.
I think that the 2 sub-forum thing is a much better idea (it could even potentially increase the number of ROMs being created) and hopefully the great devs wouldn't take it the wrong way if it were to be put in place.

Why are people here such dicks?

Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)

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gfosco said:
Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:
1. the reaction/action of end users in forum threads and posts
2. the perceived "dev-snob"
3. lack of welcoming of a new "dev" by existing ones (really 2 and 3 can go together)
4. what makes someone a "developer" and the downward spiral in skill level of those who "develop"
(notice i put develop and developer in quotes a lot)
for starters there are often times here on xda (and other places) where there is blatant trolling and arguing in threads. In some cases its actually pretty funny, with light hearted jabs at one another, other times its pointless and wrong. ive been in my share of arguments and flame wars with people posting ridiculous stuff in my threads before (many of those said folks are now perma banned from here) and admittedly ive poked my nose in where it probably didnt belong in others' threads.
all in all i think the mods do an ok job of walking the line of enforcement. we've done ok with those who have moderated the fascinate forums...some of the other phones have mods who...well i wont say something ill regret
as to the "dev-snob" statement...yeah sure, there does tend to be a period of adjustment or questioning or confusion by existing rom/kernel/mod "devs" when someone pops out of nowhere and starts releasing stuff...the majority of the time, once a person proves their abilities, skills, or are generally a nice person who wants to learn or work with you that period of questioning dies down and all is well...more often than not though, people don't pop out of nowhere...they are forum or irc regulars who have expressed interest in working on stuff or theyre more well known on another device, and we are just getting acquainted with them
but there is the rare occasion (which seems to be the case the last month or two here) where an individual started their entrance into the community with a plethora of hype threads, posts, and otherwise where they claimed their "long awaited rom" would soon becoming. this is annoying enough, but when the long awaited works put out are nothing to really shake a stick at, ie just differently themed existing roms with placebo mods or completely inexplicable things done (market apps in /system/ on an aosp rom) it further irritates others.
imo thats getting off on the wrong foot
furthermore its gotten worse...insane claims that border on delusional have become the norm, ie: hybrid ios/webos roms for the fascinate! 245/23rds of the community use my roms! i dont remember making this thread! the rom will be out tomorrow...i mean the day after...i mean 2013!
or just examples of n00bness that would otherwise be fine (decompiling a jar anyone?) if not for the surrounding hype associated to one's abilities
in the past fascinate devs havent always gotten along...i think anyone around in the spring knows that tsm and friends didnt particularly get along with nitro for many reasons that i wont get into atm...but on the whole collaboration is frequent, legitimate friendships or at least good relationships amongst others are common as well.
now what makes a developer? i put that term in quotes so often because what who we classify as a developer is quite misleading really. I know at times ive considered myself as one or stated it as such (usually when irritated about something), but honestly by any real characterization as such im not..nor is scores of others who are considered in a similar way.
at best, most of us are modders/kangers who are good with comparing code created by smarter individuals than ourselves and then applying the differences to create newer/better/different roms etc. this is especially true to those of who work specifically on skin roms (touchwiz, sense, etc) because..the rom already exists, we just package a bunch of these mods in, clean it up and throw it out.
now that is an over simplification, and its actually a harder process than i make it sound, but its true.
now for folks who build aosp and kernels, id be more inclined to consider them a developer...linux adept individuals who build os/roms from scratch or at least with heavy contributions by themselves...again thats not the case for everyone, as just building a kernel from someone's source with some undervolt or overclock tweaks isnt much different than hacking a stock rom.
the same can be said for someone who compiles aosp from again, someone else source and makes minimal changes to it (theme, shoving some apps in, changing launchers)
no less than adrynalyne, doesnt even really consider himself a developer and is constantly brushing aside that tag
in the earlier stages of android (g1 through say the early og inc/evo4g days) the individuals who worked on roms and kernels were generally people who were either self taught with linux, went to school for something in the computer field, or worked in it.
since then (myself included) individuals who gradually got into rooting, and running custom roms and themes etc have come on the scene. i personally have no computer background and hadnt heard of linux until i got an android phone...eventually wanting to put different themes on my phone got me into understanding the structure of a rom (like many others have started out) and from there I got more involved.
the problem with this is, there is generally a mindset or chip on the shoulder that a lot of newer folks carry, and imagine themselves more important or greater than they really are...some of these individuals (and even those from the beginnings, cant execuse all of them) are great at self promoting and gathering supporters...just look at a certain other samsung phone on verizon, where an individual has become incredibly popular for releasing *throms* with little mods..but i digress
to me, a great majority of said folks can be snakes, begging for donations or notoriety or their own little version of fame
anyway, ive gotten off the beaten path and covered stuff that wasnt asked by the op...hope ive made *some* sense in some parts anyway
theres something to be commended for wanting to help out and get involved...but the term chopper coined says it well: "lurk, learn, and stfu"
hang around, gradually learn stuff, and keep quiet while doing so

it's teh interweb forums... if you take this **** that serious you have a problem.

Thanks for the post, @nitsuj17! I think you explained it very well... I also like the Chopper quote, and have tried my best to do that.
@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.

I think most are dicks because they get pissed of by others that are too f*cking lazy to search for answers. Most people just create stupid threads to ask the same stupid questions over and over again.
99% of your questions have already been answered on the forum...

@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?

skynet11 said:
@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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afaik it was chopper in irc one day and a bunch of guys put it in their profiles...at least as i recall it

Oic... Now that you mention it, it does sound like a "chopper-ism"
Has anyone seen John Connor?

@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?

skynet11 said:
@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.

skynet11 said:
@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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LMAO...
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@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.
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point is I have never for the most part noticed any dev or member being a **** to somebody that didn't deserve it. I'm sure the devs don't mind anybody trying to develop, but you better come correct. meaning;
ask before you kang somones work.
properly credit the devs work your using.
don't take another devs rom add a bunch of market add-ons and call it your own.
don't start a bs poll trying to get more recogniton and compare yourself to a well respected dev that has pretty much taken the fascinate to a new level.
I'm pretty sure the member you are referring to didn't follow along these lines and that's why he/she gets super trolled

chopper the dog said:
lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.
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Oh yeah! I remember that one! Classic flaming at its best!
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Speaking of the thread chopper the dog linked above ^^^, where are jptech and navenedrob nowadays?
Has anyone seen John Connor?

I voted for all of them!
Seriously, though, nitsuj is pretty right. I'd stay in troll character, but I am playing with my new Touchpad.

I play a **** on TV.......u left that one out! and boom goes the dynamite! hmmm maybe a new sig!

Please no!
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Well said. Thank you for the thoughtful insight.
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:....
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This is the dynamic of the interactions in any walk or at any stage in life whether it's middle, high school, your job, your friends or any social circle. Why would you think it would be any different here.? We're a bunch of regular guys that have two things in common: our love for android and disdain for apple. The rest is natural human behavior
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My two cents

I’ve been on XDA for over a year now and have enjoyed watching new ideas, applications, themes, kernels, and ROM’s come to this site with a lot of hard work from all the Dev’s out there. For that I say thank you.
Over the last week or so I found myself reading about two Devs (no names mentioned) that apparently have been banned. From what I’ve read they were banned over donations not going to the people that actually worked on the projects. I’ve tested a lot of ROM’s from these pages and I’ve donated to several Dev’s on XDA. As someone who DOES donate for the incredible amount of time and skill that these people or groups expend on these projects, I’d like to ask how the donations are distributed to the “right” people. Do groups of people (maybe Team Nocturnal as an example) get together and decide how the funds are distributed or is this something that has a scale next to it (ie. The person that designs the lock screen gets this percentage and the person that designs the display properties gets that percentage). Is it trusted to one person that can then distribute to whoever they want at whatever rate they want?
I’ve learned a great amount on this and other sites that these devs work on and (having been in the computer field for over 25 years) would like to be sure that my donations go to the folks that actually did the work. Are you all doing this through the honor system?
The idea behind have an open source OS is great for the end user and sucks for the corporations simply because anyone can try and make the OS better as opposed to a single company pulling all the strings. The only problem with this is that it instinctively creates an opportunity for people to take credit for things they haven’t done.
The other issue that I’m beginning to see is a division of this site. Some feel that these two devs didn’t do anything wrong and will halt all there work because one of them has asked them too. The other side has the attitude that XDA must govern, and punish a dev for stealing someone’s work and only adding some superficial offerings to it.
So where is this going? Can these people, that are so on their game with Android (Linux), understand that it’s better to WORK WITH SOMEONE than to be out on their own? I hope that dev’s can understand that their artists…that they should be able to accept donations, and WANT to continue working hard…and that devs also continue to be courteous, and humble when other groups pour in their own time to help that project come to life. The honor system is the better way…I hope it’s not destroyed by a few dev’s that feel like cutting in front of the line because they know they can get away with it.
My hat to the administrators. I will continue to watch the stories, ask questions, and hopefully someday, add to what you design folks are pumping out.
My two cents…

If your talking about one of the devs I think you are. He did several things wrong, first being stealing donations, secondly backpedaling on a promise; thirdly not being a man and owning up to his faults and lastly openly stealing roms and passing them of as his own work. Instead this dev went into hiding and has not responded to anyone.. But however he has made at least 1 new account on here to try and soil others.
As for the people that think he's has done nothing wrong despite all the facts being laid out in front of them; I dont know what to say for them. How can anyone follow or respect someone that did what he did? Again I have no idea. I guess that just show what kind of person they are. The people you associate yourself with shows a lot about the type of person you are and your character
As for the gossip and the truth. Yes there are always 3 sides to every story. What one person says, what the other person says and then the truth. Once again if we are talking about the same person then the whole story is out there (check my sig). Since the other person will not come out of hiding and tell his side (which he doesn't have to, as everything is there and unaltered) then that just shows its the truth. If I was accused of those things and they weren't true, I sure would try to clear my name. And if they were true I still would try to make amends.
If we are not talking about that person; disregard this.
Now back to you regularly scheduled programming...
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Damn!! How many people is Jaredthefake going to get to try to clear his name??....hahahahha
You know if he spend half the time he does making fake accounts (2012oasis) and trolling our threads on actually apologizing for what he has done and making things right THEN we wouldn't have threads like this.....JUST my two cents!..hahahha
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Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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scottspa74 said:
Wow. I was off xda for about 40hrs, and obviously missed something. But if it's about JTG, probably old news.
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It is...hahahhahaha

Einstein's_Mind said:
^^^^^
Exactly the drama we all have to listen to...smh
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Then don't read the thread....smh
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Einstein's_Mind said:
You guys seem like the biggest fan boys of him....obsessed much?? Geez if you guys put half as much effort into ROM issues as you do obsessing about the past and about ONE individual then maybe all of your roms wouldn't be status 7 error (easy fix) but I'm done with you guys I don't even like this jtg guy but what a bunch of babies..
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Hahaha. Turn tail and run. Just like him. We are working on out from updates. We have what are called lives and jobs. Yea those things get in the way.
Well anybody on a team with some one will stick up for them.
Not obsessing about the past. This individual asked or at least posted wanton more info. How is filling some one in obsessing. Actually since my thread warning people about him and his slime ball ways, I have let the issue go.
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Okay.. This entire thread is nothing but drama from OP to end.
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The following extracts should suffice for the behavior I have been seeing lately in the threads:
Please be friendly: Showing courtesy and respect to others is a vital part of the Android culture, and we expect everyone participating in the Android community to join us in accepting nothing less. Being courteous does not mean we can't constructively disagree with each other, but it does mean that we must be polite when we do so. There's never a reason to be antagonistic or dismissive toward anyone; if you think there is, think again before you post. Mobile development is serious business, but it's also a lot of fun. Let's keep it that way. Let's strive to be one of the friendliest communities in all of open source.
The most important rule is friendliness. Remember: disrespect and rudeness are not welcome in our community under any circumstances.
http://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html
2. Member conduct.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.5 Courtesy towards other Members: Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can and always with respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
It may be hard at first. Please help those who lack the education by correcting their erroneous ways.
Nuff said.
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Teichopsia said:
Feel free to bump the ©[email protected]¶ out of this.
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Teichopsia you little good for nothing.... lol I kid.
I try to be polite and helpful as possible,but seeing the same attitude to ignore the rules of searching slowly changes people.
This is just my experience. When I first joined xda,I was fascinated with this large community and all the knowledge and information floating around. I always viewed xda as a place where one should pro actively search and learn,then contribute.
But after a while you see that this is not the case and the same question gets asked over and over. Or you have people state"I don't have time to read 100pages". I can't comprehend that. If your going to modify your phone I would read all I could BEFORE attempting it. I read and learned a whole month before rooting. Once I decided I've given stock its run I was beyond prepared when I rooted.
At first I was eager to help, but slowly I've been less so. Its sad really but I've skipped through many threads where I knew I could help but because I saw no effort in the poster I ignored it. To an extent I get the attitude of those that have been here towards the new people but I rather just go on with my day

You would have laughed if you could have seen my face when I read your first line.
I know what you mean. This is my first smartphone and all the research I put into it just to make sure I would get a good phone and that It would work in the country where I live. I skipped the whole blackberry mania (oddly, I dislike anything the masses go for - probably a good thing) and perhaps I'll even take a pic of my last phone (perhaps that way you guys can forgive half of my noobishness )
I too was eager to help at first and still am if I can. I have lost my patience a few times reading certain questions that don't merit being accepted by the submit button. While going through this phase I luckily came across a few posts which reminded me of what is was like being a new member (despite the fact that I spent the first month or so reading before my first post).
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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Teichopsia said:
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less

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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less
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Nontheless if you have or haven't been, at least you are able to restrain yourself. I too have been somewhat rude at times.
We could go back and forth argumenting this and that. Which is fun. We both would have valid points (between us, you would probably win the argument ), the bottom line is, not only are there rules to search before posting, there are also rules to respect one another. If one person breaks the rule of not searching, would that give the right to the other member to break the rule of respecting? Sure, we all have our bad days. Yes, we can loose our patience, **** happens. What I can't condone is page after page of 'bashing'. That's just me.
After reconsidering what I was about to become (I'll probably loose my patience again - it's normal), and taking into consideration the little I know about xda, I would have thought this place is about helping others learn. Even if that means to hold their hands for a while until they learn, or just say screw it if they are the type that wants to be spoon fed everything.
All I'm saying is, if someone can't be nice then to do what you do, hit that delete button and ignore them.
On a side note this is my previous cell which was a gift from a friend who got tired of seeing my 'old phone' with a rubber band around it. - hopefully after seeing this you guys will be a bit patient with any future questions I may have.
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Lol jk.
I agree with you 110% I always try and be helpful when I answer the new guys cause I know how they feel. My DHD is my first Android phone and I learnt so much from it. I spent two days straight reading and watchng YouTube videos before I had the guts to root and join xda so it can be pretty terrifying when something doesnt work the way you want it to. So yeah bein friendly and helpful can go a long way, especially when you're new and don't know too much about android/rooting/your device
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Excellent thread guys. To me it's so simple. If a post is not worthy in your mind, don't respond to it. Someone else might help out. Or perhaps the person asking the question will get frustrated waiting for a response and search it out. There is just never a reason, in my mind, to respond in a nasty way.
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So You Want to Root and Mod Your HTC One

[A couple of the One XL guys asked me to cross-post this here]
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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC phone, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.​
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx​
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.​
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.​
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"​
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
…
Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel​
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.

Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.

homer285 said:
Most people will not take this ridiculous post seriously, What exactly are you trying to achieve?
If you're trying to be funny, it hasn't worked and if you think you're being helpful, it hasn't worked, merely comes across as patronising and a little childish.
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Quit being a cell master dude.
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Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.

LiquidSolstice said:
Maybe you got mixed up or something; this is XDA. Not reddit.
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Yeah where everyone's a douche

DigitaL BlisS said:
Yeah where everyone's a douche
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More like where most of us have actually grown up.

While this would make a great thread to educate new users, this is not the place to post it plus, some gifs (jifs) are less than tasteful, so those are removed from the post. This would be better off in the General forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256). Thus, closed.