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[Kitchen-ROM] Kitchen Cleaner v1.0 1/30/2011

Kitchen Cleaner
Features
- Removes Samsung keyboard, bluetooth.apk (printing over bluetooth), Browser22.apk, divx.apk (for registering), FactoryTest.apk, lcdtest.apk, OTA apps, TTS, signin.apk (samsung login), Soundplayer.apk, Google Talk, Touchwiz calculator, vpnservices.apk, wlantest.apk, and shutdown animation.
- Clean Black Theme with parts taken from 3 other themes and a little of my own work
-- Black-theme modded MMS
-- Black-theme modded Marketplace
-- Black-theme modded Phone/Contacts
-- Black-theme modded Calculator
-- 4 lockscreens
-- accurate battery mod
-- extended power menu
- default black wallpaper
- black-themed WP7 style gingerbread keyboard
- hosts ad-blocking
- Xan's Voltage Control app 3.0 Final
- Suckerpunch OC/UV Kernel #32 100HZ
- Call Log no longer shows MMS messages.
- Lag-Free Gallery.
- di11igaf's browser fix.
- ZNKP1 modem for amazing battery life.
- Correct build.prop.fingerprint for protected apps.
Download links removed.

INSTALLATION
If you are coming from another ROM that uses speedmod, suckerpunch, or a kernel with Universal Lagfix, then you should be able to just flash right on top of it from CWM. This ROM will WIPE all data on your internal SD card.
Otherwise, I recommend that you ODIN back to stock/Master Clear, and then flash this rom in clockwork recovery.
1. Flash a ROM created in Doc's Rom Kitchen, preferably the one I have provided.
2. After rebooting, then flash the Kitchen Cleaner.
3. After rebooting, feel free to go back into recovery to enable lagfix and tweaks.
4. Enjoy!
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There's already a kitchen/custom rom thread that Borg maintains. Considering this is Docs base did he sign off on this? I only ask because others have done this have since closed the thread.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.

Well it is his base, but it has been changed a pretty good bit.

Agreed but that's the whole idea of the kitchen though. Good luck dude. Best to give Doc a heads up though, it's only right.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.

I'm not trying to say I did all this by myself, I even wrote in the topic that I AM NOT A DEV. I will let Doc know about this thread though.

why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.

bames said:
why wouldn't doc want people to share what they had made with his kitchen.
its clearly advertised and acknowledged so this seems like it is advertising for his thread/product. Seems like if anything this would just make people more interested in trying his kitchen and frequenting his thread or looking to his others works.
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Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...) and got the okay from them (didn't do that, but s'all good), then they're in the clear.
On to the ROM: Seems like an okay idea. I'm assuming there aren't really any bugs... but for those who'd want to start from the bottom up, or just stay at the bottom, this is a good idea (though the bottom up is why we have the ROM Kitchen lol).

Loggik said:
Multiple reasons, but as Android is aOSp (emphasizing 'open source'), it isn't a huge deal. It's just that technically what the OP did (or could have done) was take someone else's custom ROM and change a few things then call it his own. That's why people are afraid of others republishing ROMs from the kitchen. But as long as the owner acknowledges that they are not a dev (X), they used the kitchen (X) which belongs to someone else (X), and they notified that 'someone else' beforehand (sorta x...), then they're in the clear.
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I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title.
Seriously...its just free advertising and props for a really cool concept/dev/customization tool (the kitchen) that might inspire other members to play with and utilize it which i would imagine was the desired end result of its creators.

If anyone is interested, I can make 2 versions of the rom. One with absolute basics (70-ish MB) and this one (115-ish MB).
I think the kitchen was the best thing to happen, all I wanted to do was share something that made me really happy. I don't care about the credit or the fame.

bames said:
I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining...
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Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.

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bames said:
....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough.....but for future reference maybe it will help if anyone doing this put the cred to the kitchen in the thread title..
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+1 Thread Title; +1 stop the negativity and flame
I would suggest we propose a blanket solution via thread Title format change to Doc&Stef and Captainkrtek:
Thread Title:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx : CleanFreak v0.9....."
Attempt to get permission and keep working. It seems that borguesian also released GingerBorgMod in this same spirit.
In fact maybe that means that the thread title should read
:"[ROM- Romkitchen.org]:v.9.xx :Gingerborgmod- CleanFreak v0.9....."
One desire of mine is that we continue to develop knowledge about the kitchens functionality and facilitate development of the Captivate side of it.
I think Cappy users are using the kitchen and not talking about the results anywhere. Bad step-children to the I9000.

I'll change the thread title, and I agree I think using the Kitchen allows fresh thoughts and perspectives. Maybe someone like me will make a ROM and come up with something that no one ever would have thought of without the ROM Kitchen allowing them a chance to make their own ROM.

bames said:
I get that...but this is the 2nd time i have seen a forum member get beaten up for what someone else (could have done). If the poster doesn't do it and gives proper credit and acknowledgment of the source for their material.....other posters should stop whining.
Personally i think this posters credit/acknowledgment in the OP was enough
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I made my post clearly stating that the OP had done almost everything right, and there was no reason to "beat him up". No one in this thread was or is whining or beating him up for anything, because he did give credit. lrs just warned him because he hadn't contacted and gotten permission from the owner of the Kitchen and didn't want anything bad to happen. I think that Doc is generous enough in the fact that it doesn't put a "MADE IN DOC'S KITCHEN" bootanimation.zip on every one of its ROMs that it generates, so I think it's safe to say that it'd be respectful and kind to at least ask Doc if he could publish a ROM made in his kitchen.
lrs421 said:
Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
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^ Agreed.

Also, I'd just like to point out that just because it was made in the Kitchen does not mean that I did not put a lot of effort into this ROM. Yes, it has parts taken from other ROMs, I am not denying that fact. Just try to look past all of that and focus on what open source is really about, sharing ideas and resources openly in order to improve upon what we already have.

lrs421 said:
Please show me the part of my post that "beat him up". Was it my good luck wishes or the wink? I just warning him because I've seen this a FEW times. No one is attacking anyone.
Sent from my liberated Captivate via XDA App.
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"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement on my part. My apologies as i didn't intend to offend or specifically point a finger at you. Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were.
It just seems people can't resist the urge to put their two cents in with follow ups saying "this isn't your rom" or your "using someone else's base" when the user has already stated such in their OP thread and directed credit to the proper source.
If someone creates their own base and utilizes another members theme...stating such and giving proper credit in the op wouldn't it be redundant if half the posters felt the need to point out "thats not your theme" when that fact is already in the OP.
I agree best solution is for Doc's Kitchen Base to be referenced in the thread title.

Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.

Not for nothing, that dailer is sick. Minus the video call option .
As I said originally, good luck!

rootnik said:
Not only is credit given, but he has done a considerable amount of research and troubleshooting figuring out what exactly can be removed. This isn't the case of somebody just spending 2 minutes putting something together with the rom kitchen and posting it as his own work.
ryude didn't even want to post this, but a couple of us asked him to because of the uniqueness of the package. Find another rom that is less than 88mb with this base... you won't find it.
Ryude,
I know how you feel about taking credit for others work and feel terrible that people have reacted in a way that implies that you have. I'm sorry that I even suggested this.
Cezar has a CWM zip that deletes what he considers bloat in the Continuum thread. Maybe look at that script and write a new one that deletes the packages and post it as a mod? The end result should be the same.
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I agree he did nothing wrong and in a previous instance i saw someone post a similar thread giving proper credit to the kitchen and he was actually flamed pretty badly.
My suggestion is for those who use the kitchen is to posted the Kitchen Base Credit in the thread title.
Maybe Doc can specify in the OP what he would prefer to see included in the thread title from those who repost roms created with the kitchen?

bames said:
"beaten up" was over-reaction/statement ... Was still agitated by the last thread of this nature in which people were much less kind than you were..
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I also certainly didn't mean to emphasize that anyone had been mean, other than lingering reaction to another threads sentiment.
It can get dangerously like a a schoolchilds playground here with everyone trying to oust people from their clique. I am sure that there are a scant few parents here, but I am highly sensitized to people acting that way. I know too, as adults we tend to be defensive of the sweat we put into things. As schoolchildren or adults, we need to learn to be less defensive and more inclusive.
Teambuilding and leadership.

MDEEJAY

Where are yuo gone?

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Where are yuo gone?
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sigh..... read all his threads, SEARCH THE MANY POSTS THERE ARE ALREADY!!!
Wrong Section too, belongs in the bin

I also cant find his Posts - i know they have been closed, but have they also been deleted?
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MDJ's threads were in violation of XDA's GPL rules, the threads were locked and PM's were sent to him in early January with no response. Even though he was online and ignored the PM's he did not respond.
I know many are angry, but think of it this way, if someone is making a kernel that will run on thousands of phones, and using others sources which were shared, 1, you need to share your work also, 2, people have a right to see the code they are using to ensure it's not malicious etc. Why else would anyone not share their work when the GPL says you can use others as long as you also share.
Long story short. Since he is not responding to any PM's even though he has been online means that he is ignoring the MODS or hiding something. To protect XDA rules and members, his threads have been removed from public. We cannot leave the thread up as their are many GPL violations left for him to fix. Sorry if you've been using his stuff and he has abandoned you.
noellenchris
XDA HD2 Forum MOD

hm i have the same question...
he does a very good work, and share his kernels....
i know the problems with the GPL and so.... but he spend a lot of time for this work and get only a asskick while he not share his code...
i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
but only the close and bann from this forum without a reason for the other users is not a solution.... we need a statment or somethink like that!

a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I've been a member for a long time, and only a MOD for a few. If you loaned me your car for a few weeks and I refused to give you a ride. I'm sure you'd be pretty mad. Well the code and hard work that made the Linux Kernel was shared for free on one condition. That if you use it/modify or whatever YOU MUST SHOW YOUR SOURCE, not where you found it. Otherwise if your recieving any donations for your work on the back of other dev's hard work, then it's illegal and wrong if too many ways.
However this is too easy to fix. TELL ME WHY MDJ DOESN'T REPLY OR FIX THIS FOR ALMOST A MONTH? He has been givin many chances.
He will not be really missed since his work was based off of many of the devs here on XDA who had and do share their source/work on the kernels.
MDJ is not banned. Look him up. He is free to post or appear out of thin air here. But he doesn't. If he wants to, and fix his work, then he has options and his threads may come back.
noellenchris

strange business over a few letters in a title....
calling or i guess insinuating his code is malicious is complete bull****. he was just fine up until a rule changed then he was all of a sudden pure evil.
plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue. because thats what they are for. they dont play stupid cat and mouse games testing to see if the user will bend to their authroity and then delete their stuff when they dont. thats plain stupidity. all someone has to do is go to mdj's website by googling "ultimate droid" and then all of a sudden they have no reason to come back here. is that good for xda? to lose people over a simple tagging dispute that is completely stupid? do you remember how popular he was here? should we expect xda to take a personal vendetta against anyone who may be too busy to possibly answer pm's? are the mods cops or mods? are they here to help or here to just cull the herd so to speak?
personally i dont give a flying **** about the stupid drama between whatever children are involved. im not anyones friend here i just come here for android builds. they will most certainly pop up somewhere else if they dont here. i like this place but if it shut down tomorrow i wouldnt cry precisely becuase of **** like this...id just jump on one of the now many boards out there offering builds.
just being honest...

Come on people how hard is it to release your code???
Like Noellenchris said, it's all based on free open source code, he's recieving money for it, so it's not very ethical is it?

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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I dont know why you feel that what was done to MDEEJAY was unfair... He is one hell of a chef I grant him that but rules are rules and they were created and set in place to ensure the safety of all the members of XDA-dev...
All he needed to do was just reply to the MODs but he never did. Him being banned on this Forum is a very big loss but there are other chef's out there that are as good if not even better.
I am not undermining MDEEJAYs work as I am still loving his HD nand versions and i will still say that his 10.4 kernel is one of the best out there. I wish he would just reply to the MODs so he could come back. As I know that a lot of us are waiting for his future developments.
Say all you want to say about the MODs and how XDA is being run. But I believe that this was done not to screw someone in the arse but to protect all of us users...

Dr4g0n said:
i think, we need a better solution... like a "limited open source", only a hand full users have the privileg too look in the source code and check for problems.... or so....
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Unfortunately that won't work.
The GPL licence is the licence the linux kernel is distributed under. That's not negotiable, as Linus Torvalds made that choice. As such, if someone wants to make changes to a kernel, they must respect the licence that the code is available under.
If you don't want to abide by them, you would need to go and write your own OS from scratch, which did not make use of any GPL code.
Since kernels are based on GPL code, and the GPL has been legally challenged and found to be valid, it is a requirement when posting GPL licenced code on XDA to follow the GPL licence. There is a simplified list of requirements available on XDA that summarise how this affects users here.
Compliance is not optional and is non-negotiable. If you will not provide your sources, you do not have permission to use the kernel (read the GPL for info), and as such anything released like this is "warez". XDA does not tolerate warez to be posted, and will remove it, following due process.
@lilelf87, there are rules here. If you do not like them, feel free to go to a site without rules. Rules benefit us all. I could recompile a kernel with a nasty rootkit in it, that would log everything you did, or watch keystrokes, or brick your device. If sources are not available, then how can you be sure that what is provided is safe? This is why the GPL exists. If you don't like it, then I'm afraid it's too bad, as Android uses the Linux kernel, which is GPL licensed.
EDIT: Thread moved to General/Q&A, and @memnoch2099, you are spot on there

lilelf87 said:
a big LOL...this is what XDA does...they screw all our gd chefs 1 by 1...xda community is becoming too bureaucratical...rules and laws and BS...just let chefs share their work and us users enjoy and appretiate the work...u noe how some countries hate their government...yea...XDA mods are the government.
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a BIG LOOOL to you and all the people that share similar viewpoint on GPL. to consider striving for GPL compliance as a bureaucracy measure is idiotic.

OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?

ForceField said:
OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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First, this only applies to kernels. If you are only making a tiny tweak to a ROM, you likely shouldn't be releasing it as an entire ROM, and instead sharing it with the dev of the original ROM to include in future (with credit), or to offer as optional to users.
If it's kernel changes, then no matter how small, you should share them. There is no need to upload the entire sources though. Here's how I did it for two tiny changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=848494
See the bottom of the post.
Base kernel (cheers, Erasmux, and big props) https://github.com/erasmux/hero-2.6..../flykernel-11c
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shows the stock sources used, and the modified CPU table and the touchscreen tweak were linked.
That's all it takes, and gives credit to the OP of the kernel, but also shares the changes without people having to download large amounts of sources again just to get changes.
That is all it takes

ForceField said:
OK, I don't understand:
Does this means that if we release a new Kernel or ROM ,we will be forced to share the code? even if the modifications are small?
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Thats the point of GPL.
Thats why Linux has most of no Viruses

hope 2 C U again, MDJ
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dont understand why he doesnt write back ?! just upload his sources to git and that's it ....
i'm waiting for him, he wrote the most and especially the best roms and kernels
still using his cm7 v2.6 rom, this rom is even better than the recently published ones.
didn't had problems with his one, every thing works from the beginning on - and the most important thing for me, mdj made many roms, so everyone could choose which is the best one.
pls mdj, just write back and continue your work

hope to see you again mdj

why did you closed all of his threads ? he uploaded the sources to git untill 3.01.2011 !!

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Pulser has made it incredibly clear and easy for you all to understand...
(oh and for the record, MDJ hasn't been banned, that's nonsense...he's free to make new threads any time he likes...he just has to comply with GPL requirements)
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plain to see there is alot more to the story here then is being said by both parties. which leads me to believe this all over some personal bull****. normally when one of the highest ranked users in a particular forum fails to change something to a new a rule a mod/admin will do it for them without issue.
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We cannot change his threads because his git repository is outdated and does not reflect the current version of his kernels. He has been online numerous times since I sent him various PMs, but has not responded...we are not here to hold anyone's hand.

Why are people here such dicks?

Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)

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Considering there is about a grand total of 3 or 4 people working on releasing ROMs for the Fascinate: how is it that there are so many dev-snobs and assholes who go out of their way to insult and make fun of anyone who tries their hand at development?
I don't know anyone on here personally.. However, as someone who is very interested in seeing development continue for this phone, I am constantly shocked recently at the unhelpful, snide and outright mean remarks being made towards people who are interested in helping provide ROM options for the Fascinate.
(Disclaimer: I've made 5+ donations to developers on here, and consider myself a supporter of anyone who works on this phone.)
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:
1. the reaction/action of end users in forum threads and posts
2. the perceived "dev-snob"
3. lack of welcoming of a new "dev" by existing ones (really 2 and 3 can go together)
4. what makes someone a "developer" and the downward spiral in skill level of those who "develop"
(notice i put develop and developer in quotes a lot)
for starters there are often times here on xda (and other places) where there is blatant trolling and arguing in threads. In some cases its actually pretty funny, with light hearted jabs at one another, other times its pointless and wrong. ive been in my share of arguments and flame wars with people posting ridiculous stuff in my threads before (many of those said folks are now perma banned from here) and admittedly ive poked my nose in where it probably didnt belong in others' threads.
all in all i think the mods do an ok job of walking the line of enforcement. we've done ok with those who have moderated the fascinate forums...some of the other phones have mods who...well i wont say something ill regret
as to the "dev-snob" statement...yeah sure, there does tend to be a period of adjustment or questioning or confusion by existing rom/kernel/mod "devs" when someone pops out of nowhere and starts releasing stuff...the majority of the time, once a person proves their abilities, skills, or are generally a nice person who wants to learn or work with you that period of questioning dies down and all is well...more often than not though, people don't pop out of nowhere...they are forum or irc regulars who have expressed interest in working on stuff or theyre more well known on another device, and we are just getting acquainted with them
but there is the rare occasion (which seems to be the case the last month or two here) where an individual started their entrance into the community with a plethora of hype threads, posts, and otherwise where they claimed their "long awaited rom" would soon becoming. this is annoying enough, but when the long awaited works put out are nothing to really shake a stick at, ie just differently themed existing roms with placebo mods or completely inexplicable things done (market apps in /system/ on an aosp rom) it further irritates others.
imo thats getting off on the wrong foot
furthermore its gotten worse...insane claims that border on delusional have become the norm, ie: hybrid ios/webos roms for the fascinate! 245/23rds of the community use my roms! i dont remember making this thread! the rom will be out tomorrow...i mean the day after...i mean 2013!
or just examples of n00bness that would otherwise be fine (decompiling a jar anyone?) if not for the surrounding hype associated to one's abilities
in the past fascinate devs havent always gotten along...i think anyone around in the spring knows that tsm and friends didnt particularly get along with nitro for many reasons that i wont get into atm...but on the whole collaboration is frequent, legitimate friendships or at least good relationships amongst others are common as well.
now what makes a developer? i put that term in quotes so often because what who we classify as a developer is quite misleading really. I know at times ive considered myself as one or stated it as such (usually when irritated about something), but honestly by any real characterization as such im not..nor is scores of others who are considered in a similar way.
at best, most of us are modders/kangers who are good with comparing code created by smarter individuals than ourselves and then applying the differences to create newer/better/different roms etc. this is especially true to those of who work specifically on skin roms (touchwiz, sense, etc) because..the rom already exists, we just package a bunch of these mods in, clean it up and throw it out.
now that is an over simplification, and its actually a harder process than i make it sound, but its true.
now for folks who build aosp and kernels, id be more inclined to consider them a developer...linux adept individuals who build os/roms from scratch or at least with heavy contributions by themselves...again thats not the case for everyone, as just building a kernel from someone's source with some undervolt or overclock tweaks isnt much different than hacking a stock rom.
the same can be said for someone who compiles aosp from again, someone else source and makes minimal changes to it (theme, shoving some apps in, changing launchers)
no less than adrynalyne, doesnt even really consider himself a developer and is constantly brushing aside that tag
in the earlier stages of android (g1 through say the early og inc/evo4g days) the individuals who worked on roms and kernels were generally people who were either self taught with linux, went to school for something in the computer field, or worked in it.
since then (myself included) individuals who gradually got into rooting, and running custom roms and themes etc have come on the scene. i personally have no computer background and hadnt heard of linux until i got an android phone...eventually wanting to put different themes on my phone got me into understanding the structure of a rom (like many others have started out) and from there I got more involved.
the problem with this is, there is generally a mindset or chip on the shoulder that a lot of newer folks carry, and imagine themselves more important or greater than they really are...some of these individuals (and even those from the beginnings, cant execuse all of them) are great at self promoting and gathering supporters...just look at a certain other samsung phone on verizon, where an individual has become incredibly popular for releasing *throms* with little mods..but i digress
to me, a great majority of said folks can be snakes, begging for donations or notoriety or their own little version of fame
anyway, ive gotten off the beaten path and covered stuff that wasnt asked by the op...hope ive made *some* sense in some parts anyway
theres something to be commended for wanting to help out and get involved...but the term chopper coined says it well: "lurk, learn, and stfu"
hang around, gradually learn stuff, and keep quiet while doing so

it's teh interweb forums... if you take this **** that serious you have a problem.

Thanks for the post, @nitsuj17! I think you explained it very well... I also like the Chopper quote, and have tried my best to do that.
@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.

I think most are dicks because they get pissed of by others that are too f*cking lazy to search for answers. Most people just create stupid threads to ask the same stupid questions over and over again.
99% of your questions have already been answered on the forum...

@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?

skynet11 said:
@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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afaik it was chopper in irc one day and a bunch of guys put it in their profiles...at least as i recall it

Oic... Now that you mention it, it does sound like a "chopper-ism"
Has anyone seen John Connor?

@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?

skynet11 said:
@nitsuj17 I thought that phrase was coined by times_infinity; chopper the dog says "good day."
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.

skynet11 said:
@gfosco: it's all Sergei's fault
Has anyone seen John Connor?
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LMAO...
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@droidstyle - That's a cop-out and a lame excuse if you ask me.
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point is I have never for the most part noticed any dev or member being a **** to somebody that didn't deserve it. I'm sure the devs don't mind anybody trying to develop, but you better come correct. meaning;
ask before you kang somones work.
properly credit the devs work your using.
don't take another devs rom add a bunch of market add-ons and call it your own.
don't start a bs poll trying to get more recogniton and compare yourself to a well respected dev that has pretty much taken the fascinate to a new level.
I'm pretty sure the member you are referring to didn't follow along these lines and that's why he/she gets super trolled

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lolololololol. I found where I first said it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14941301&highlight=xda+developers#post14941301
Still a classic read to this day. Scroll back in the thread for even better times.
good day.
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Oh yeah! I remember that one! Classic flaming at its best!
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Speaking of the thread chopper the dog linked above ^^^, where are jptech and navenedrob nowadays?
Has anyone seen John Connor?

I voted for all of them!
Seriously, though, nitsuj is pretty right. I'd stay in troll character, but I am playing with my new Touchpad.

I play a **** on TV.......u left that one out! and boom goes the dynamite! hmmm maybe a new sig!

Please no!
Has anyone seen John Connor?

Well said. Thank you for the thoughtful insight.
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im sure this will be a long ramble, so bare with me
first and foremost there several issues here:....
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This is the dynamic of the interactions in any walk or at any stage in life whether it's middle, high school, your job, your friends or any social circle. Why would you think it would be any different here.? We're a bunch of regular guys that have two things in common: our love for android and disdain for apple. The rest is natural human behavior
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Looks like we were to hard at THOR2000 after al...

http://androidandme.com/2012/07/new...discuss-the-cyanogenmod-project-at-google-io/
Look what he says at 2:00 min.

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The same thing the official xda policy and most devs that read licensing say:
Linux kernel is GPL - must remain open
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Thor refuses to release the kernel source.. XDA's policy is simple here: not to allow it on xda.

So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?

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So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?
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What do you mean? Both xda and cyanogen mod agree that the kernel must be open source if redistributed. So believe either.. if this confuses you ask the one you believe more.
If you didn't watch the video do it he mentions the note about the kernel two or three times as well as having it on the slide.

I'm asking for clarification. Does Thor use a modified Android platform? The video says it's licensed under Apache and he can do whatever he wants. What exactly does Thor do that's different from the Apache licensed mods mentioned?

sRDennyCrane said:
I'm asking for clarification. Does Thor use a modified Android platform? The video says it's licensed under Apache and he can do whatever he wants. What exactly does Thor do that's different from the Apache licensed mods mentioned?
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He keeps his source closed. AOSP. Android OPEN SOURCE Project. All that Apache and GPL stuff basically says Linux is open source, Android is open source, therefore what is done with Android must be open source. Thats an EXTREMELY simple version of it, but hopefully it gets the point across. Thor doesn't play by open source rules, his rom isn't welcome here.
I don't see why you care so much about his rom. Anyone that wants it knows how to get it. Anyone that doesn't know where its at knows how to use google.

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So, who to believe... XDA or CyanogenMod?
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Both. They said the same thing. Kernel must remain open per GPL2. Rest of the system can be closed.
The issue with Thor is the kernel, not the whole ROM.

terrormattie said:
http://androidandme.com/2012/07/new...discuss-the-cyanogenmod-project-at-google-io/
Look what he says at 2:00 min.
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I see that some people have a hard time to differentiate between the Android OS and Linux kernel which is used by the OS.
Learn this once and for all that the whole thing with Thor being banned from posting his ROMs here is because he bundles them with his custom built Linux kernels (which are on GPL) but doesn't provide source code to the kernel at all.
Android's Apache license does not change the kernel GPL license.

yaworski said:
I see that some people have a hard time to differentiate between the Android OS and Linux kernel which is used by the OS.
Learn this once and for all that the whole thing with Thor being banned from posting his ROMs here is because he bundles them with his custom built Linux kernels (which are on GPL) but doesn't provide source code to the kernel at all.
Android's Apache license does not change the kernel GPL license.
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Be patient with a newcomer to all this... all I've ever done was basic rooting and flashing a couple ROMs. The meat and potatoes are still pretty new to me. What IS the difference between the Linux kernal and the Android OS?

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Be patient with a newcomer to all this... all I've ever done was basic rooting and flashing a couple ROMs. The meat and potatoes are still pretty new to me. What IS the difference between the Linux kernal and the Android OS?
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The kernel is the bootstrap code and drivers. The Android OS is the rest of the package.
A good comparison from the history of PCs is that the kernel is DOS 6.22 and Android is windows 3.1
Its not a perfect example but its close.

If there are any components that others hold copyrights for, then it is covered by gpl and the source needs to be provided. The owners of said copyrighted works could sue. Same reason that the manufacturers have to make kernel source available. Pretty sure apache only applies to the rest of android source, not the kernel source.
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Oh good grief, not this crap again...

FloatingFatMan said:
Oh good grief, not this crap again...
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Yeah I know. I got sucked in by the title being clipped on the Iconia landing page...
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I'd have never even looked if there was any sort of heads up.
Too bad these threads aren't named, For examples...
"Thor-The Sequel"
"Another Thor Discussion"
"Thors-Revenge"
or simply, "Thor, We've done this all before, but why not one more time..."(Maybe that one should be reworked to be the anthem for these events???).
Really, this ones been settled (LIKE A ZILLION TIMES). Let it die.
And please for the love of God, PLEASE make the titles clear on this topic in the future. I swear that I will stay out and keep my trap shut.
Disclaimer: No disrespect intended, implied or infered by the above statements, towards Mr.Thor. That particular Dev is a fricken genius. The worn out, tired a$$, rode hard put up wet, stale like grannies panties topic is the target.

For all you blaming Thor... I did not see any of you on the Avengers movie, so your arguments are not valid...
The simple thing that some people cannot get is that Thor2000 was not expelled, banned or sued from the internet... And they are the same people that cannot understand what XDA is about or why they do not find modified versions of Angry Birds in the site...
It is simple; The XDA was created to encourage developers out of companies (not necessarily) to create and build software which they would share with others, so that the final outcome be improved and distributed widely... In order to maintain that open community they had to apply some basic and strict rules.. One of them is sharing so that it is indeed an open community and not a private company. Another is not to copy code from non-open-source software so that they keep the site legal.
Thor2000, even if one of my favorite developers, did not comply with the first rule, that is sharing. His very good roms and kernels are available to everyone for free but this is only the one side of sharing. The other side is someone take his kernel, modify it improve it, like he did since did not created his software from ground zero... However this is not possible because as other people mention he keeps his code closed. It is his right to do it but he just does not fit XDA for the purposes it was created.
So get over it... XDA is not the site that gives you free software... They were not hard to Thor2000. I bet that the same people who whine about THOR, they may search for a cracked version of navigation software in this site. I am not an expert at all, but after a few years I understood what open-source community actuallymeans ...

Well, here we go again.........
For you n00bs, the reason Thor2002ro left, was because there were issues of "somebody" using his kernel source, without giving proper recognition (as the story goes back in the old days, maybe just a legend). So Thor decided to create his own site, and things are relatively quiet. This was based on XDA requires kernel source to be "open" and links posted to kernel source if the kernel was modified. Not Ramdisk, but the kernel.
The reason this is in place, can anybody remember "carrier IQ"? A lot of things can be done to manipulate and transfer data via the kernel, if such wanted. That's the dark side of things. But in the spirit of Android itself, the kernel source must remain open. That's the way it is dictated.
Not to re-hash the same old thing again, but for you n00bs, read the GPL (general public license) regarding kernel source. No, you can find a lot about it. Just Google it and put your google search to good use.
Personally, I would like to see Thor come back to XDA. He's a heck of a Dev, and a pretty good guy. But as it stands, no links to kernel source, no posting kernels or roms containing such kernels at XDA. And that's pretty much the bottom line on things. You n00bs can read the rules if you wish.
As for me, I adhere to the rules at XDA, and yes, at times I have to enforce them. After all, I am an XDA Moderator, and I stand by the rules established and that's the way it is.
So let's not get into another "Thor bashing" contest. No need to.
MD

I agree with MD, and I really wish people would stop bringing this topic up. Thor's a good dev who made some choices incompatible with XDA and the GPL. End of.
MD, perhaps a good idea to lock the thread?

FloatingFatMan said:
I agree with MD, and I really wish people would stop bringing this topic up. Thor's a good dev who made some choices incompatible with XDA and the GPL. End of.
MD, perhaps a good idea to lock the thread?
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Sorry Mate, if I could, I would.
It's not a forum I am assigned to. I can however, do "other " things.
But for now, there is no need to. Some people, just don't understand the whole scope of things. Only just an ignorant part of it. They try to take things personally, yet they have no personal affiliation with it.
One day, in the future, things will be ok.
For now, we have rules.
MD

I for one appreciate all the explanations here... at least those done objectively and without drama. Some of us who are relatively new to this scene aren't "noobs", and just needed to be brought up to speed. Thanks!

Community

The following extracts should suffice for the behavior I have been seeing lately in the threads:
Please be friendly: Showing courtesy and respect to others is a vital part of the Android culture, and we expect everyone participating in the Android community to join us in accepting nothing less. Being courteous does not mean we can't constructively disagree with each other, but it does mean that we must be polite when we do so. There's never a reason to be antagonistic or dismissive toward anyone; if you think there is, think again before you post. Mobile development is serious business, but it's also a lot of fun. Let's keep it that way. Let's strive to be one of the friendliest communities in all of open source.
The most important rule is friendliness. Remember: disrespect and rudeness are not welcome in our community under any circumstances.
http://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html
2. Member conduct.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.5 Courtesy towards other Members: Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can and always with respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
It may be hard at first. Please help those who lack the education by correcting their erroneous ways.
Nuff said.
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Feel free to bump the ©[email protected]¶ out of this.
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Teichopsia said:
Feel free to bump the ©[email protected]¶ out of this.
Sent from a dream.
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Teichopsia you little good for nothing.... lol I kid.
I try to be polite and helpful as possible,but seeing the same attitude to ignore the rules of searching slowly changes people.
This is just my experience. When I first joined xda,I was fascinated with this large community and all the knowledge and information floating around. I always viewed xda as a place where one should pro actively search and learn,then contribute.
But after a while you see that this is not the case and the same question gets asked over and over. Or you have people state"I don't have time to read 100pages". I can't comprehend that. If your going to modify your phone I would read all I could BEFORE attempting it. I read and learned a whole month before rooting. Once I decided I've given stock its run I was beyond prepared when I rooted.
At first I was eager to help, but slowly I've been less so. Its sad really but I've skipped through many threads where I knew I could help but because I saw no effort in the poster I ignored it. To an extent I get the attitude of those that have been here towards the new people but I rather just go on with my day

You would have laughed if you could have seen my face when I read your first line.
I know what you mean. This is my first smartphone and all the research I put into it just to make sure I would get a good phone and that It would work in the country where I live. I skipped the whole blackberry mania (oddly, I dislike anything the masses go for - probably a good thing) and perhaps I'll even take a pic of my last phone (perhaps that way you guys can forgive half of my noobishness )
I too was eager to help at first and still am if I can. I have lost my patience a few times reading certain questions that don't merit being accepted by the submit button. While going through this phase I luckily came across a few posts which reminded me of what is was like being a new member (despite the fact that I spent the first month or so reading before my first post).
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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Teichopsia said:
However, whatever the reasons are do not excuse the answers I have been reading lately from some members. It is as the more they/we complain about the "noobish questions" the angrier they/we get. Thus, resulting in posts that can get quite offensive.
Granted, they should read the op, etc. And all that, but seriously, who are we/you (not you marsdta) to be so arrogant?
We all come from different backgrounds, differences in all manners, including intellectually, but what is happening to common courtesy? Respect? If we don't put a stop to it now, it's going to get out of control.
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I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less

marsdta said:
I can be arrogant at times I admit that. Sadly some of the negative comments don't bother me. Hear me out first. Xda has in a sense become an aspect of me. When I wake up its one of the first things I check. That's another issue entirely. But I do view xda as a community that I have personal investment. So when I see those questions I feel somewhat personally insulted. Like if the poster basically said screw you. Kind of weird.
I think some of those that been here a while might feel the same. So the frustration build and erupts in the threads. I've written a few nasty replies but have caught myself and hit delete before posting.
Common courtesy is not really common on the internet because of that wall of being anonymous. Add in the fact that we all do come from different places things get interesting. personally I would be more tough on the rule breakers while others may be more lenient. In the end the evolution of communication is quite interesting as the internet allows people to be filter less
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Nontheless if you have or haven't been, at least you are able to restrain yourself. I too have been somewhat rude at times.
We could go back and forth argumenting this and that. Which is fun. We both would have valid points (between us, you would probably win the argument ), the bottom line is, not only are there rules to search before posting, there are also rules to respect one another. If one person breaks the rule of not searching, would that give the right to the other member to break the rule of respecting? Sure, we all have our bad days. Yes, we can loose our patience, **** happens. What I can't condone is page after page of 'bashing'. That's just me.
After reconsidering what I was about to become (I'll probably loose my patience again - it's normal), and taking into consideration the little I know about xda, I would have thought this place is about helping others learn. Even if that means to hold their hands for a while until they learn, or just say screw it if they are the type that wants to be spoon fed everything.
All I'm saying is, if someone can't be nice then to do what you do, hit that delete button and ignore them.
On a side note this is my previous cell which was a gift from a friend who got tired of seeing my 'old phone' with a rubber band around it. - hopefully after seeing this you guys will be a bit patient with any future questions I may have.
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REVIVE A DEAD THREAD!
Lol jk.
I agree with you 110% I always try and be helpful when I answer the new guys cause I know how they feel. My DHD is my first Android phone and I learnt so much from it. I spent two days straight reading and watchng YouTube videos before I had the guts to root and join xda so it can be pretty terrifying when something doesnt work the way you want it to. So yeah bein friendly and helpful can go a long way, especially when you're new and don't know too much about android/rooting/your device
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Excellent thread guys. To me it's so simple. If a post is not worthy in your mind, don't respond to it. Someone else might help out. Or perhaps the person asking the question will get frustrated waiting for a response and search it out. There is just never a reason, in my mind, to respond in a nasty way.
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