I've been getting a lag in my video's filmed at 720p quality from my Desire HD
Youtube video of test footage watch?v=x_OLIbLkUWk
Just as it hits 0:13 there is lag which is native on the phone video aswell.
I've filmed quite a bit since them and do get these laggy intervals when filming at 720p quality.
Am I seriously just going to have to accept defeat and film at 800x480?
Any known fixes?
Xartz said:
Am I seriously just going to have to accept defeat and film at 800x480?
Any known fixes?
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I hope not. I recently got myself a brand new DHD, and can confirm i am experiencing the same issues when recording video -LAG.
I have no idea what the issue could be, I’m thinking maybe the mmc card could be the issue if its only 2x, i'd imagine 720p recoding will require higher speed mmc cards – im using the one which came with the mobile.
lower class of micro sd card perhaps?
With 1.5 GB of RAM, you'd think the DHD would be able to cache a whole lot more than 13 seconds of 720p 3GP video...
I don't remember where, but this has been discussed before, and they didn't think it was the memorycard that was the root of the problem.
To be honest i havent experience lag of any kind when videoing at 720p! Maybe a background task took some resources at the same time! Just a thought.
Have you enabled USB Debugging in the settings?
Yes I have.
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Have you enabled USB Debugging in the settings?
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Have you installed Visionary? I experienced the same thing and when I removed it, the lag was gone. Now I have 'USB debugging' disabled and no lag.
I have a class 10 32gb card which probably isn't causing the problem. My phones not rooted, haven't installed visionary. Plus this occurred when my DHD was vanilla.
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My Desire Z sometimes lag in 720p recording too.
I noticed that refocusing when recording cause the lag, but it still lags sometimes even I didn't touch anything.
are you running a live wallpaper, cause in tests i have done running a live wallpaper in the background have made my desire hd lag a lot.
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are you running a live wallpaper, cause in tests i have done running a live wallpaper in the background have made my desire hd lag a lot.
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I disabled Live Wallpaper but still the same.
it's like 10~20second per lag.
running stock ROM, Asia-HK
will try to flash another ROM this weekend to see if there is any difference
Um.. 1.5GB of internal storage, not RAM. The phone only(!) has 768MB RAM.
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With 1.5 GB of RAM, you'd think the DHD would be able to cache a whole lot more than 13 seconds of 720p 3GP video...
I don't remember where, but this has been discussed before, and they didn't think it was the memorycard that was the root of the problem.
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Not completely sure this will help, but what about formatting the SD card in 32 kb sectorsize?
It helped me, when my video recording was "stuttering"
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I'm using the one that come with the phone, it's already 32KB
Hi, I experienced the same thing : Yahoo mail was runnning background
I also experience lag. Someone needs to inform HTC imo.
i have a working fix besides the 32k cluster format, which simply improves the sd card performance
i simply go to free advanced and i hit end all tasks (the quick version) before launching the camera
it works everytime and if i dont't apply it my film lags, its clearly a multi tasking issue something running in the background causing it
but try my method it works
i tried your solution hamdir and it actually does work! I'l test it some more tomorrow because right now its too cloudy and dark outside which isnt optimal conditions for recording with this phone.
edit: the sun came out so i took another clip. no lag
i think its a certain app that may be causing this. is there a way we can pinpoint exactly which one?
i doubt its one app, i don't know if maybe its htc sense and its sync settings or any app that runs in the background like messengers, either way i can't be bothered looking for it the solution is working and very easy
hopefully gingerbread will eventually solve it, since it has a feature that cleans applications footprint
i just noticed my solution was added to the compilation of DHD issues thread i will also mention it in the camera guide i'm currently preparing
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Hi guys,
Got a HD2 at the moment, and the youtube app doesn't run too smooth, and video playback suffers from audio lag. Anyone tried the video playback on the N1 yet, and able to comment on quality..
Cheers
Darrin
I have HD2 and N1, i've not notice any audio lag on my HD2. I haven't tested N1 youtube app but i think it has more option then the one on HD2 like i can login to my youtube account and pull all the bookmarked videos.
thanks for that, strange how i seem to be having audio lag, tried 3 hd2's, and all the same, using wifi.
how do you rate the N1 against the hd2?
cheers
hmm i can't really tell much about N1 yet, as i didn't get much time to play around. I only had it yeasterday.
Any way try chosing high quality settings from youtube app on HD2.
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thanks for that, strange how i seem to be having audio lag, tried 3 hd2's, and all the same, using wifi.
how do you rate the N1 against the hd2?
cheers
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Can you give me the link of the you video?
Any video really, have the issue with them all, the audio lags around 1/2 second behind the video, even when the video is copied to sd and played....
Would be interested to see if the N1 youtube app is better then the hd2, i expect it will be.....
hey guys,
got my n1 today...youtube playback is laggy - over wifi aswell.
audio is fine but video lags.
Might just be a one off, im currently charging the phone, gna reboot and see if theres any improvements...
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hey guys,
got my n1 today...youtube playback is laggy - over wifi aswell.
audio is fine but video lags.
Might just be a one off, im currently charging the phone, gna reboot and see if theres any improvements...
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will you keep me posted....cheers....Darrin
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will you keep me posted....cheers....Darrin
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Been on charge since my last post - youtube is now working perfectly on wifi and 3g in low quality - dont have enough patience to check vids in high quality as signal is too weak where i am.
Great quality no lag etc etc.
Also, if anyone's interested: Had a few signal problems (Vodafone) - re-inserted sim, rebooted and all is well in nexus world.
Worked like a champ on 2G where I am at! Best youtube app on any device I have ever tried, IMHO. Quick to load, even on 2G, great buffering, and so forth.
After last update any new EVO 720p camcorder recordings are dropping frames, freezing on frames and the audio is mismatched.
Anyone else having this issue or know of a fix?
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After last update any new EVO 720p camcorder recordings are dropping frames, freezing on frames and the audio is mismatched.
Anyone else having this issue or know of a fix?
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I've always had this problem. It's not my SD card either, cuz it's pretty fast.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is this 720p camcorder??
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is this 720p camcorder??
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I think he means video recorder.
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I think he means video recorder.
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oh....well that's a lot less exciting
The app is actually called camcorder. And its always been crappy for me.
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Ditto for me, always been crappy it's a shame too because it looks good until a 5 min video is out of sync by 30 second's.
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HTC EVO 4G Camcorder Dropping frames
I've had the problem for over a year. Been to the Sprint store 5 times had hard resets done wiping my phone and no fix. They replaced twice and both new phones do the same thing. Went to the store again today because i'm due an upgrade and they will not do anything but give me another same phone unless I want to get the NEW HTC LTE that would cost $200. They told me that is the only way to fix it. That sounds like crap that I have to pay and switch to another phone to fix the issue.
I can't remember where I read this, but it said to fix this or at least make it better you need to change your read/write speed for your sd card. Haven't tried this myself though, because I don't use the camcorder.
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I can't remember where I read this, but it said to fix this or at least make it better you need to change your read/write speed for your sd card. Haven't tried this myself though, because I don't use the camcorder.
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Which ROM?
Which kernel?
What is the SDcard readahead speed?
Details please man, otherwise It's kind of hard to help...
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Which ROM?
Which kernel?
What is the SDcard readahead speed?
Details please man, otherwise It's kind of hard to help...
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I am using nitrous 1.55 with ca1ne's nitrous kernel. I just ran a few test videos on my own phone. At 128kb r/w under 30 seconds no problem over 30 seconds a little jittery.
After changing r/w speed same thing. I'm sorry that this didn't help out. I was just relaying something I had read, and never tested b/c I don't use the camcorder on my evo. Hope you get this fixed.
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I am using nitrous 1.55 with ca1ne's nitrous kernel. I just ran a few test videos on my own phone. At 128kb r/w under 30 seconds no problem over 30 seconds a little jittery.
After changing r/w speed same thing. I'm sorry that this didn't help out. I was just relaying something I had read, and never tested b/c I don't use the camcorder on my evo. Hope you get this fixed.
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Move the readahead speed to 512kb, if it still lags, use 1024kb.. also, it could be the CPU speeds and gov. that's slowing making the video lag.
hi all.
I have this phone 3rd day now and here are issues I discovered while using it.
It is a great phone,but needs serious update from guys in HTC.
-Navigation feature is utterly useless.it is so damn slow.in compass mode it is showing wrong direction.also I miss footprints implementation with Google maps.I know,you can open certain footprint in GM but I meant full support.this is only my suggestion but all in all navigation app is horrible and I think once used,it slows the DHD down.
-Sometimes it lags like hell.at least for me.I have installed only apps I've used before on old Desire and there I had no problems with slowdowns or lag.I am using app from market called "SystemPanel".basically it shows all your phone activities an running processes.it can also monitor phone performance over time.this app is showing that every time I wake up DHD CPU usage rises to 100% and stays there until I switch screen back off.then it drops to almost nothing.unfortunately it doesn't show which processes are using this much resources.this app always pointed me to the right direction when I was tracking down defective apps.i have already emailed the developer about this.it could be compatibility issue with this app and new DHD.it also shows that right after reboot almost 75% of RAM is in use.really?this phone has a huge RAM and if this is correct reading,than HTC did a lot of bad coding while making this new Soft.after some time of use my DHD becomes sluggish and lags a lot.I got rid of Samsung Galaxy S because of it's lag issue.I never had any similar problems on old Desire and it has much smaller RAM and was running on 2.1!
-Sync function is a bitt dogy as well.it takes ages to sync all the accounts and it took few attempts to sync with my Google account.I've seen someone posting about this,so I know I am not the only one with this problem.this brings me to all new
-htcsense.com.nothing seems to work right.at least for me.and this was one of the most highlighted features when this phone was announced.
-Camera software is not what I expected.I doubt it is hardware problem.it is just poorly programmed.in low-light conditions quality simply sucks.and I just don't understand why camcorder cannot work on higher frame rate.
-flash support is not that good too.If you select option in browser to "always use" after a while of browsing od flash sites phone gets so slow reboot is needed.after such a long time Adobe still cannot make proper mobile version.that is a fail by me especially when these days mobile devices are in almost everyone pocket and are widely used for web browsing.
That's about it.sorry that you had to read such long post,but that's my DHD experience so far.
My point is that guys un HTC software kitchen should sit down and fix this IMO rushed release and give as an proper update.until then this is great hardware being hold hostage by poor software.it is unacceptable for phone with such specs to be performing like this.
Come on HTC.we know you can do better.
Please share your experience too...
I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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Endr1 said:
I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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stock ROM is one solution.but i enjoyed HTC Sence on Desire.i hope they wil fix this one.
thx for confirming.at least i know i am not the only one with this problems.
I swapped out htc sense for launcherpro and also stopped all the syncing that htc sense requires like facebook for sense, twitter for sense, htc sense, stocks, news and weather.
I then set profiles within setcpu to allow for performance when the screen is on while scaling back the processor whilst the screen is off.
Installed spare parts and sped up some of the animations and bam! my desire hd is as fast as my nexus one was with CM6 with over-clocked kernel and all the lag has disappeared. I also have over 30 apps I have installed myself.
The problem with flash I'm sure will be fixed sometime, everyone is experiencing this slow down.
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I swapped out htc sense for launcherpro and also stopped all the syncing that htc sense requires like facebook for sense, twitter for sense, htc sense, stocks, news and weather.
I then set profiles within setcpu to allow for performance when the screen is on while scaling back the processor whilst the screen is off.
Installed spare parts and sped up some of the animations and bam! my desire hd is as fast as my nexus one was with CM6 with over-clocked kernel and all the lag has disappeared. I also have over 30 apps I have installed myself.
The problem with flash I'm sure will be fixed sometime, everyone is experiencing this slow down.
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i have purchased LauncherPro before.did not want to go down that road,but i think i will swap Sense for this launcher for a while to see how it performs.
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I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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Does the lagging also occur when your're running stock? Do you use a task killer?
My phone has no programs with lag!
Oops sorry my post was a question to the OP
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Does the lagging also occur when your're running stock? Do you use a task killer?
My phone has no programs with lag!
Oops sorry my post was a question to the OP
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i don,t know what you mean by "running stock".
and no.i don't use any task killer.don't think it is needed in Froyo.
Ive found a lot of the slow down is from programs starting up and starting in the ram most I found from htc :/ I've used root and a auto memory manger (one that uses the system, not an app killer) and now my phone runs great next step is full root and a custom rom to fully cut out the bloat : D
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Have you people who are suffering from performance problems installed the OTA update? It was supposed to fix some performance issues IIRC. My DHD is blazingly fast and i have around 100 apps installed. I run SystemPanel too and haven't seen any high cpu use.
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Unfortunately I have to agree as well. Lags the whole time, ages to load the picture gallery with about 200 photos. But the worst thing, it is not supporting ActiveSync with Exchange 2010, for me incredible! I feel like on HD2 at the beginning, great hardware but bad software. On DHD I was sure that the software must be better but it is disappointing. I never had such lags on the HD2 even with the worst ROMs. I am also a bit diasappointed from the home screen. On HD2 with Co0kie home tab I had a lot of more information as I have now. The Market, for me the biggest improvement, is not really working since the begining, needs 20 retry to download a 1 MB app. I am sure HTC will fix most of the software problems but currently it is disappointing.
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Ive found a lot of the slow down is from programs starting up and starting in the ram most I found from htc :/ I've used root and a auto memory manger (one that uses the system, not an app killer) and now my phone runs great next step is full root and a custom rom to fully cut out the bloat : D
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i will give this a go.
it is a shame that in the end i have to get rid of HTC software.i know some may not agree with me but i like HTC's software.i loved what they did since i had my old Touch Pro.Manila made that phone different from others that time and ever since i was buying HTC phones for their innovative approach.i cannot believe they screwed up so much this time.but i've seen them fixing their mistakes before so i still have hope.
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Have you people who are suffering from performance problems installed the OTA update? It was supposed to fix some performance issues IIRC. My DHD is blazingly fast and i have around 100 apps installed. I run SystemPanel too and haven't seen any high cpu use.
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yes.i applied OTA as a first thing after first boot.before i set up any account sync or installed any software.
EDIT: I got DHD after the OTA was released.
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i don,t know what you mean by "running stock".
and no.i don't use any task killer.don't think it is needed in Froyo.
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I meant "out of the box" I'm asking because you seem to point to the HTC software as the culprit for your lag problems, but it is not so clear to me why you come to this conclusion. I also use CPU monitoring aps, and my CPU load is mostly 0%. So how do you know it's not another app? Did you do a reboot? what happened after that.
I know it is not needed to run a Task killer, but it could be the reason for your lag, that's why I asked.
Maybe it needs gingerbread
Having said that, there is already report gingerbread will be out (on at least one handset) on 8th Nov. I m not convinced HTC will update DHD to Gingerbread for at least a few month given their track record with the past model. There will probably be only 1 update for the life time of DHD.
Is launcher pro a valid alternative to the sense? I mean will use more power and drain my battery faster? To use the memory manager should you get root? With Paul's visionary?
I am not giving up on sense just yet but I would like to know if there are alternatives...
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I meant "out of the box" I'm asking because you seem to point to the HTC software as the culprit for your lag problems, but it is not so clear to me why you come to this conclusion. I also use CPU monitoring aps, and my CPU load is mostly 0%. So how do you know it's not another app? Did you do a reboot? what happened after that.
I know it is not needed to run a Task killer, but it could be the reason for your lag, that's why I asked.
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well i noticed this after a few first hours of using DHD.that was before and after i added 3rd party software.the main reasons why i think that the cause of this lag is HTC software are...
-after a while of using Navigation app phone started to lag
-if i add navigation widget and then i navigate to that page on the home screen there is almost instant lag.
-it is not only Navigation app but some others too.like friend stream,htc peep etc.this apps worked fine on old Desire.i was using them on daily basis so i am sure.
-almost every other non HTC app i use runs smooth.
-when i sync my Gmail only,it is just fine.but if i use HTC sync all widget it is just painfully slow and it is slowing down the whole phone.
can you please recommend me an CPU monitor app you are using?so i can check my DHD with it.
Market is down.
The app is system panel and costs 3$.
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Market is down.
The app is system panel and costs 3$.
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i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...
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i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...
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SystemPanel works fine for me and usually shows < 10% cpu. Maybe you have something installed that's not fully compatible with the new Sense that is causing the problem? It seems there is a genuine problem here with quite a few people reporting it. The difficult bit is working out what it is of course since it's not affecting everyone.
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i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...
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Try OSmonitor, in settings you can set it to show processes according to CPU load etc. I also use that app for looking at differnt logs eg. battery logs.
Perhaps you can also try SeePU for showing CPU and RAM usage in your notification bar! I like that I can see what's going on!
I'm trying to replicate yor problems using Navigation and Friendstream, but it doesn't slow down. You didn't install the youtube update by any chance?
Just received my Desire HD last night. At first it appeared ok. After a few hours of usage, the ram gradually drops and drops and drops.
At first it's around 390 or 420 free ram. After playing about for a few hours, the ram drops well below 200.
Even after using an app to free ram, it will free some more ram but will quickly use it all again for nothing.
Aside from this it's VERY laggy, much worse than my current HTC HD2.
It lags like crazy through the menu, not smooth at all and sometimes takes a few seconds to open something/go through the menu, it's like it will suddenly freeze completely and will not respond until it finally decides to wake up and continue what it was doing.
Worst of all is the picture gallery!! There are only around 17 pictures, 5 of them I took on the camera and the other pictures are sample pictures that came with the phone.
Now, when opening the gallery, it takes quite a while to display the pictures.
The pictures range from 500kb to around 1mb which is tiny and when opening pics in full size and going through them, it really struggles and lags, sometimes evening freezing for a few seconds before going to the next pic.
This is really bad and is pissing me off. My current HTC HD2 FLIES through pics without a lag.
I have pics ranging from a few kb to 5, 6 and even 7 mb and it's silky smooth and zooming in/out is effortless.
That said, why is my htc desire hd so laggy and performs so poorly?
What can be done to solve my issues?
It could very well be an app causing this but I doubt it as the apps I have installed onto the phone have also been used on my previous HTC Hero and Samsung Galaxy S.
Now, the HTC Desire HD is higher spec than the 2 above android phones but performs poorly.
Could someone PLEASE try to help me fix the lagging issues?
Apps on phone should it help:
KK Boxing Game
Air Hockey Game
Classic Tetris Game
File Manager App
Barcode Scanner
Vizbattery App
Uninstaller App
Rockplayer App
Beautiful Widgets App
Barcode Scanner App
Best Keyboard App
Mixzing Media Player App
Thanks in advance everyone
Go to settings applicactions development and turn on USB debug will fix all your probs, it is to do with the /init process using almost 90% CPU seems to be a system process
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Also bluetooth on seems to make the phone lag after a bit as well.
You haven't ever read why you sholdn't use any task killer on an android system?
e. g.: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=826647
The usb debugging solves it but still takes me ages for pics to load up on screen and I am slightly angry with its performance still.
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Someone reported the barcode scanner is eating quite a lot of the system resources. I think it was here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819266 but don't flog me if it's not there! Although the uselessness of the task killer is explained there as well.
Thanks all for your reply. Thanks to many of you the lagging issue has been solved! As many of you mentioned the problem was the usb debugging mode. It was disabled and was causing extreme lag/slowness in everything, it was unbearable. The phone is now super smooth, fast and responsive. Going through pictures now is fantastic and at least 5-10 times quicker than before. Menus are also a lot smoother. Now my htc desire hd is quicker than my htc hd2! Once again many thanks for your help everyone.
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Thanks all for your reply. Thanks to many of you the lagging issue has been solved! As many of you mentioned the problem was the usb debugging mode. It was disabled and was causing extreme lag/slowness in everything, it was unbearable. The phone is now super smooth, fast and responsive. Going through pictures now is fantastic and at least 5-10 times quicker than before. Menus are also a lot smoother. Now my htc desire hd is quicker than my htc hd2! Once again many thanks for your help everyone.
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Hi guys and girls,
My names Karl and I hope you can help.
I got the phone yesterday via a three contract but I'm having some issues already.......the camera in any recording format is extremely jumpy. It even shutters in the video. From what I've read here and on the web, its a common issue supposedly fixed via a ota update!? I obviously don't have it. I only have it temp rooted, and I'm on stock 3 Rom. Hope you Can help.
Karl.
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From what you have said, you dont have the camera fix OTA update. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how badly you would have been wiped out by the update) its no longer available
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lillysdaddy177 is right, The update was removed because too many bugs came up with it, but the camera was improved with it for sure.
For now we are stuck waiting for a new update from HTC, but for the time being formatting your SD cards to FAT32 32k cluster size seems to help with the random freezes even though it still happens sometimes but less often. The slowdown in poor lighting conditions still happens and hopefully the next update will fix this.
Thanks for replying.
I hope they do sort it out,as the camera is one of the main selling points for me ( capturing my one yo daughters random moments is essential.)
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Could you be a little more specific about the problem? Before the update I only had problems with 720 p recording, the lower resolutions worke without issue, so the problem may be caused by something else...
As stated on my original post, the phones just over a day old.
I have no after market apps installed,and again as stated it lags during ALL recording formats.
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Seems the camera is very sensitive to lighting conditions, so enabling the flash help if the objects your recording are close. Try to record outside when it's sunny and bright and see how that goes.
Yeah too bad this issue exists since the camera is a big selling point but at the end of the day it's still a cell phone. Can a dedicated camera make calls, play games, browse internet... lol
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Try to record outside when it's sunny and bright and see how that goes.
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....but i live in england....any alternative suggestions?
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