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[POLL] HDMI out vs Uncapped Framerate

What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?

Where's option 3 with automatic toggling if an hdmi cable is connected?! I keed I keed

netarchy said:
What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?
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Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.

jerryparid said:
Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.
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The main cap is probably being set in the radio, which leaves us with having to work around it to uncap framerates. Ideally if it's possible to get both uncapped framerates and hdmi-out working at the same time that's the solution that will be used.

I vote framerate for now... but hopefully there is some long term solution to both

I'll take framerate. HDMI would put up more of a fight if we could get full output of the android system instead of just selective video.

I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?

I'd go with the fps because the hdmi is still restricted with output options anyway

acme64 said:
I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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Gaming without annoying lag and stuttering. Smooth transitions between home screens. Better live wallpaper performance. Feel as smooth overall as the HTC Aria

acme64 said:
I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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the device being capped at 30 fps wouldn't be a problem if the device wouldn't drop below 30fps but it often does during 3d games (the human eye typically perceives anything over 19 fps as fluid motion, without choppiness or studdering). so the main reason to uncap the framerate is because it gives you more wiggle room for the fps to drop without you noticing choppiness.
so if you were capped at 30 fps and a game caused a performance drop of 12 fps then you would now be at 18fps and you will notice choppiness,
but if the fps were unlocked to 44 (which is the novatek right now i think) and that same game dropped the 12 fps, you would now be running at 32 fps and you will notice no choppiness.
it can be hard for someone to understand sometimes as most people dont properly explain WHY having higher fps is nice instead of just sounding like iphone users "its so smooth!" like the guy above me lol.

I vote frame rate. Less than 1% of the time would be spent using HDMI for me anyway.

Didn't someone post this already ?
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I couldn't care less about HDMI, disable it permanently to uncap the frame rate for all I care.

HDBaseT>hdmi
http://www.pcworld.com/article/200301/new_technology_could_replace_hdmi_with_ethernet_cables.html
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What about just maintaining 2 different kernels and if u wanna use hdmi you could easily flash one kernel then flash right back to the fps fixed kernel when your finished seems like the most logical way to go

GHOST99K said:
Didn't someone post this already ?
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Considering the OP is spear heading development on a dual Nova/Epson kernel, I think it is okay for the question to be asked on a very real basis...

the poll was our idea. we needed to see who wanted what. it came from a discussion we were having on #HTC-EVO (<~shameless plug) about the issues were facing and what to do about the community kernel. we figured the real answer would come from... well... the community. anyhow they both need to be fixed for there to actually be a fix. imo a broke isnt fixed so that was the discussion. anyhow hope that settles ths little debate.

Unless a future work-around includes being able to use the HDMI output for use with the actual phone interface and not just videos, I see no real point of using it at all.
So, definitely uncapped.

My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.

wfrandy said:
My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.
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Using the 'dirty' fix will pretty much fix the input, go check out the 3.6.3 fix, it will almost remove all lag

Recording failed

Is anyone else getting a recording failed error while taking HD video. Sometimes it happens after a few seconds or up to a few minutes or not at all. I am stock rooted with the latest update and drm removed. I don't think it has anything to do with this sine on the sprint forums complete stock users expierence the same thing. Does anyone know how t fix this?

Corrupt file system on the SD card? Try backing up all your files and then reformatting the card and try again.

scriz said:
Corrupt file system on the SD card? Try backing up all your files and then reformatting the card and try again.
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Ok, I will try that in a few minutes since it says it has to backup 9.21gb

scriz said:
Corrupt file system on the SD card? Try backing up all your files and then reformatting the card and try again.
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THANKS. It seems to have done the trick but not 100% sure yet as sometimes before i reformatted, it would work perfectly but it hasn't failed thus far.

lehaman310 said:
THANKS. It seems to have done the trick but not 100% sure yet as sometimes before i reformatted, it would work perfectly but it hasn't failed thus far.
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Still going ok for you? I have this same problem and will try reformatting the card if it's still working for you.

lehaman310 said:
THANKS. It seems to have done the trick but not 100% sure yet as sometimes before i reformatted, it would work perfectly but it hasn't failed thus far.
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Not a prob. Let me know how it works out for ya.

I have not modified my phone in any way, and I have had this happen a few times as well on highest resolution videos.
Starts camera just fine.. then about 15 seconds into recording it says, "Warning, recording failed."
I would say maybe 2-3 times has this happened to me so far, and I have recorded dozens of videos, so it is a once in awhile thing. Still a bit annoying though.

Anyone try video recording at highest res on Froyo DK28 yet?

rsage said:
Anyone try video recording at highest res on Froyo DK28 yet?
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Actually yes, I filmed a ho-ho-rendous (yes from the sprint ad) christmas light display in my neighbor hood. Worked fine.

I used to have this happen to me only when I was on a custom rom.So I Formated my card which was a pain cause I had to backup 14gb but it has worked for me.No more record failed message.

Pito2k6 said:
I used to have this happen to me only when I was on a custom rom.So I Formated my card which was a pain cause I had to backup 14gb but it has worked for me.No more record failed message.
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Interesting, I may have to give that a try. I just tried four tests on stock Froyo (DK28), which I know isn't final, but I was hoping this issue would be fixed. On two of my tests, I recorded for longer than I ever have on the highest res (7 minutes and 8 minutes), I stopped both those recordings manually. My other two tests failed around 25 seconds and 35 seconds. So it's still hit-or-miss for me. I think backing up and reformatting the SD card is next.

I have this problem as well. I also tried reformatting my sd card in an attempt to cure my Epic of this disease to no avail. Anyone else have any suggestions? Or can it be the rom I'm using (Midnight 2.5)?

I tried reformatting as well. It seemed to work for a while but I'm getting the error again. Don't think it's the ROM, it's happening to me on stock Froyo the same as it happened on stock Eclair
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Happens to me once in a while as well on stock 2.1

The problem is that the sd card isn't fast enough for reliable hd recording. If you lower quality it will work perfectly. If you reformat sd it will work in hd for a while. If you get a faster sdcard, you'll be set as well. Be sure to read speed test reviews and not just go by the speedclass claimed by the manufacturer. A lot are fast until they get some data then slow down significantly.
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Another thing i notice is that with 2.1, the epic records in 3gp and with 2.2.1, it records in mp4, i believe. Can anyone confirm this?

I agree with the card too slow opinion. I did a side by side at the same time and resolution with the evo and epic. The epic always choked and the file wad corrupt. If I did short tests, it worked mostly. During playback and looking at the specifics with videospec, the evo compressed more and it's quality showed it, but it never stopped recording. Changing to a different brand card did not really fix anything.
This is also another reason why I dislike the epic. A second reason, kind of loosely relating to this topic, I don't like the epic with high quality audio recording problems. It studders and skips. The evo was amazing sounding and zero problems.
I'm giving the evo shift some SERIOUS thought right now. I am VERY tempted to go get one tomorrow morning before work.

The 16GB card that comes with the Samsung is only a class 2. It's not capable of keeping up with the recording. Get a class 4 or higher. The video will fail at random times due to varying bit rates of the scene that is being recorded. I bought a class 4, and so far haven't had any issues with the "recording failed". Although, I haven't used it enough since I got the card to be 100% sure.

What is the highest class our epics can use. I saw a class 10 but I read somewhere that the epic can run up to a class 6. Anybody know? Thanks
Sent from my Evo Killer!

I just watched all the video (hd) that I took from my daughters birthday party.... looks better than my wifes evo vid.. BUT EVERY VIDEO IS CRAPPED OUT like I'm a wanna be mix master dj... can anybody confirm the class sd thing? Or are we all doing the ext4 thing bc I don't recall this issue before that..
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Desire HD 720p Lag

I've been getting a lag in my video's filmed at 720p quality from my Desire HD
Youtube video of test footage watch?v=x_OLIbLkUWk
Just as it hits 0:13 there is lag which is native on the phone video aswell.
I've filmed quite a bit since them and do get these laggy intervals when filming at 720p quality.
Am I seriously just going to have to accept defeat and film at 800x480?
Any known fixes?

Xartz said:
Am I seriously just going to have to accept defeat and film at 800x480?
Any known fixes?
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I hope not. I recently got myself a brand new DHD, and can confirm i am experiencing the same issues when recording video -LAG.
I have no idea what the issue could be, I’m thinking maybe the mmc card could be the issue if its only 2x, i'd imagine 720p recoding will require higher speed mmc cards – im using the one which came with the mobile.

lower class of micro sd card perhaps?

With 1.5 GB of RAM, you'd think the DHD would be able to cache a whole lot more than 13 seconds of 720p 3GP video...
I don't remember where, but this has been discussed before, and they didn't think it was the memorycard that was the root of the problem.

To be honest i havent experience lag of any kind when videoing at 720p! Maybe a background task took some resources at the same time! Just a thought.

Have you enabled USB Debugging in the settings?

Yes I have.
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Have you enabled USB Debugging in the settings?
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Have you installed Visionary? I experienced the same thing and when I removed it, the lag was gone. Now I have 'USB debugging' disabled and no lag.

I have a class 10 32gb card which probably isn't causing the problem. My phones not rooted, haven't installed visionary. Plus this occurred when my DHD was vanilla.
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My Desire Z sometimes lag in 720p recording too.
I noticed that refocusing when recording cause the lag, but it still lags sometimes even I didn't touch anything.

are you running a live wallpaper, cause in tests i have done running a live wallpaper in the background have made my desire hd lag a lot.

SIAM6128 said:
are you running a live wallpaper, cause in tests i have done running a live wallpaper in the background have made my desire hd lag a lot.
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I disabled Live Wallpaper but still the same.
it's like 10~20second per lag.
running stock ROM, Asia-HK
will try to flash another ROM this weekend to see if there is any difference

Um.. 1.5GB of internal storage, not RAM. The phone only(!) has 768MB RAM.
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With 1.5 GB of RAM, you'd think the DHD would be able to cache a whole lot more than 13 seconds of 720p 3GP video...
I don't remember where, but this has been discussed before, and they didn't think it was the memorycard that was the root of the problem.
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Not completely sure this will help, but what about formatting the SD card in 32 kb sectorsize?
It helped me, when my video recording was "stuttering"
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I'm using the one that come with the phone, it's already 32KB

Hi, I experienced the same thing : Yahoo mail was runnning background

I also experience lag. Someone needs to inform HTC imo.

i have a working fix besides the 32k cluster format, which simply improves the sd card performance
i simply go to free advanced and i hit end all tasks (the quick version) before launching the camera
it works everytime and if i dont't apply it my film lags, its clearly a multi tasking issue something running in the background causing it
but try my method it works

i tried your solution hamdir and it actually does work! I'l test it some more tomorrow because right now its too cloudy and dark outside which isnt optimal conditions for recording with this phone.
edit: the sun came out so i took another clip. no lag
i think its a certain app that may be causing this. is there a way we can pinpoint exactly which one?

i doubt its one app, i don't know if maybe its htc sense and its sync settings or any app that runs in the background like messengers, either way i can't be bothered looking for it the solution is working and very easy
hopefully gingerbread will eventually solve it, since it has a feature that cleans applications footprint
i just noticed my solution was added to the compilation of DHD issues thread i will also mention it in the camera guide i'm currently preparing

Epic video camera = junk.

First of all, id just like to say, i love my epic, however.... i had it for almost a month and today i tried the video camera which is supposed to be good... right? Well unless im doing something wrong, it looks like crap. If anyone is moving fast it has a HUGE trail behind them. Is there something i can do to fix this issue? i have everything on max settings.

endurance1 said:
First of all, id just like to say, i love my epic, however.... i had it for almost a month and today i tried the video camera which is supposed to be good... right? Well unless im doing something wrong, it looks like crap. If anyone is moving fast it has a HUGE trail behind them. Is there something i can do to fix this issue? i have everything on max settings.
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I haven't tweaked any settings and it's perfectly fine. Try deleting the Data under Settings > Applications > Manage Applications > Camera > 'Clear Data'.
See if it works better that way. My playback is incredibly high quality and I don't touch any settings.

Strange I've taken quite a few vids with my Epic and never had that issue. In fact they generally turn out quite well.

do this: wave your hand infront of it and see if you can see the tracers.... thats waht im talking about... so for instance, if i record someone breakdancing or something else that they are moving fast, its ALL tracers and looks terrible. P.S. that didnt work

If u updated your phone yesterday to froyo that is what's causing it

kryptoniteman said:
If u updated your phone yesterday to froyo that is what's causing it
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for real? wtf... yeah im running the eb13 ext4 with the OC kernal... so how would i go about fixing this? downgrading back to dk18?

Yeap people are downgrading back to DK18 but I like froyo too much so I will wait for the fix

Yup, I would say screw that, and just downgrade back to Froyo dk28, it's what I have and until I see some decent roms with EB13 I will probably stick with DK28 until, I was OC'd with Genocide too, but that causing my phone to freeze sporatically,.
So I say stick with a dk rom.

There is absolutely no reason to"upgrade" to eb13 until there are some good custom roms. I'm running viper trinity with genocide kernel and my phone flies with no issues whatsoever. Why would I want to"upgrade" to a stock rom with evidently lots of bugs?
I say hold off, let these great devs work their magic, and then flash a true "upgrade."
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Which camera App?
I have found the camera on the Epic to be very inconsistent. Sometimes the photos look great, rivaling a good point-n-shoot. But, other times, it's just not sharp. It doesn't help that the lens sticks out and seems to get dirty just from holding the camera.
Has anyone found a better camera app?

I was able to record a basketball game...and even zoomed in all the way and out while recrding while they were running and there was absolutely NO blur. It was buttery smooth.
Infact, whenever someone watches a video on my phone, they ALL say "...wow....your phone takes really clear vids!"
Unfortunately tho, I don't see that being the case anymore if I take a video in lowlight
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It's not junk. It's the EB13 ROM causing problems. I'm still on DK28 and my cam is perfect....although a little grainy in low light.

The irony is that Samsung makes cameras, so one would think this is an area where they'd have an edge over HTC...

Am I the only one that has 720p recordings fail every time within the first 30 seconds.

lehaman310 said:
Am I the only one that has 720p recordings fail every time within the first 30 seconds.
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Well mines oesnt fail at 720p so maybe?
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lehaman310 said:
Am I the only one that has 720p recordings fail every time within the first 30 seconds.
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I remember a thread about that issue in dk28.

lehaman310 said:
Am I the only one that has 720p recordings fail every time within the first 30 seconds.
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Yes you are
10 chr
Epic 4g

lehaman310 said:
Am I the only one that has 720p recordings fail every time within the first 30 seconds.
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Mine just failed in 43 seconds, and I had just said, "nope not mine- past 30 sec... dammit wtf?" LOL
Mine was Odined to DI18, cwm2.5.5, flashed deodexed EB13 zip...

lehaman310 said:
Am I the only one that has 720p recordings fail every time within the first 30 seconds.
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evsnova74 said:
Mine just failed in 43 seconds, and I had just said, "nope not mine- past 30 sec... dammit wtf?" LOL
Mine was Odined to DI18, cwm2.5.5, flashed deodexed EB13 zip...
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It's the speed of the micro SD. Get a class 6 and it wont happen anymore.

Lag on preview
Are you looking at the resultant videos, or the screen when you're taking the movies? Because during video the screen is definitely laggy. As for the motion artifacting, well, you're not going to be able to catch even moderately high speed activities with a sensor the size of the Epic's in low light. That's because it looks like the Epic doesn't adjust the ISO when it gets dark, it just increases exposure time for each frame. This keeps the images from being terribly grainy, but also makes everything look like slomo watercolors when it gets dark enough. If you want good motion capture in low light situations, you're going to have to get something with a larger sensor. Actually, I'm surprised how nice the epic's movies look. I'm the first one to criticize samsung, but they did pretty well with the limited sensor size.

[Q] picture rendering time problem?

I didn't notice any problem like this in any of my other devices.
but whenever i take a picture with G2, and try to have a look at it in gallary,
the picture would first look really blurry at first.
and after 0.5~1 second, the the blur image would get cleaned up from top to bottom of the screen in multiple section, from right to left.
is this normal? or do i have a defect phone?
sorry for the multiple threads, my computer froze up for a second :/

It's normal. These are HUGE images and it is just essentially needing time to "load" it up and process it.
You can also try using a third-party app like Quick Pic which I think does a little better job of caching things.
But no, you don't have a defective phone just because of that.

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It's normal. These are HUGE images and it is just essentially needing time to "load" it up and process it.
You can also try using a third-party app like Quick Pic which I think does a little better job of caching things.
But no, you don't have a defective phone just because of that.
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okay, thanks for the info.
can i ask you few more question? i don't feel like starting another thread.
first question is about the camera. whenever i try to record something while moving the camera, the camera would try to focus itself very often. it feels like it's doing it too much. is this normal?
second, i don't know if you would know this, but would outdated router prevent G2 from getting connect to the home network?
thx XD

ILLHYHL said:
okay, thanks for the info.
can i ask you few more question? i don't feel like starting another thread.
first question is about the camera. whenever i try to record something while moving the camera, the camera would try to focus itself very often. it feels like it's doing it too much. is this normal?
second, i don't know if you would know this, but would outdated router prevent G2 from getting connect to the home network?
thx XD
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1) Yea, its normal for the G2, but its hardly ideal. It is something that has been mentioned in reviews and hopefully a future patch fixes it and makes it more stable.
2) Yes, it would. I've owned routers flat out incompatible for whatever reason with some devices I own. You may have luck forcing the router into a particular channel and/or G-mode -- or upgrading its firmware.

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1) Yea, its normal for the G2, but its hardly ideal. It is something that has been mentioned in reviews and hopefully a future patch fixes it and makes it more stable.
2) Yes, it would. I've owned routers flat out incompatible for whatever reason with some devices I own. You may have luck forcing the router into a particular channel and/or G-mode -- or upgrading its firmware.
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sorry to bother you with so many questions.
one last question
when i record a video with 60fps, and look at the video in the gallary, the video seems to studder alot. the video looks more like 6 fps than 60 fps
i assume this is not normal, right?

ILLHYHL said:
sorry to bother you with so many questions.
one last question
when i record a video with 60fps, and look at the video in the gallary, the video seems to studder alot. the video looks more like 6 fps than 60 fps
i assume this is not normal, right?
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Yeah, video sucks right now. It's really unfortunate as this is mostly an excellent phone. I'm sure DEV support or a official patch will fix it.

ILLHYHL said:
sorry to bother you with so many questions.
one last question
when i record a video with 60fps, and look at the video in the gallary, the video seems to studder alot. the video looks more like 6 fps than 60 fps
i assume this is not normal, right?
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lattiboy said:
Yeah, video sucks right now. It's really unfortunate as this is mostly an excellent phone. I'm sure DEV support or a official patch will fix it.
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Hmm, my 1080p 60fps video is fine on playback...
I usually opt for 720p though just to conserve space and because the video usually ends up on facebook or youtube anyway so it isn't like 1080/60 is necessary.

burningembers said:
Hmm, my 1080p 60fps video is fine on playback...
I usually opt for 720p though just to conserve space and because the video usually ends up on facebook or youtube anyway so it isn't like 1080/60 is necessary.
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really? hm... i should go back to the tmo store and compare mine with the display ones...