What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?
Where's option 3 with automatic toggling if an hdmi cable is connected?! I keed I keed
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What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?
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Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.
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Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.
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The main cap is probably being set in the radio, which leaves us with having to work around it to uncap framerates. Ideally if it's possible to get both uncapped framerates and hdmi-out working at the same time that's the solution that will be used.
I vote framerate for now... but hopefully there is some long term solution to both
I'll take framerate. HDMI would put up more of a fight if we could get full output of the android system instead of just selective video.
I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
I'd go with the fps because the hdmi is still restricted with output options anyway
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I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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Gaming without annoying lag and stuttering. Smooth transitions between home screens. Better live wallpaper performance. Feel as smooth overall as the HTC Aria
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I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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the device being capped at 30 fps wouldn't be a problem if the device wouldn't drop below 30fps but it often does during 3d games (the human eye typically perceives anything over 19 fps as fluid motion, without choppiness or studdering). so the main reason to uncap the framerate is because it gives you more wiggle room for the fps to drop without you noticing choppiness.
so if you were capped at 30 fps and a game caused a performance drop of 12 fps then you would now be at 18fps and you will notice choppiness,
but if the fps were unlocked to 44 (which is the novatek right now i think) and that same game dropped the 12 fps, you would now be running at 32 fps and you will notice no choppiness.
it can be hard for someone to understand sometimes as most people dont properly explain WHY having higher fps is nice instead of just sounding like iphone users "its so smooth!" like the guy above me lol.
I vote frame rate. Less than 1% of the time would be spent using HDMI for me anyway.
Didn't someone post this already ?
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I couldn't care less about HDMI, disable it permanently to uncap the frame rate for all I care.
HDBaseT>hdmi
http://www.pcworld.com/article/200301/new_technology_could_replace_hdmi_with_ethernet_cables.html
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What about just maintaining 2 different kernels and if u wanna use hdmi you could easily flash one kernel then flash right back to the fps fixed kernel when your finished seems like the most logical way to go
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Didn't someone post this already ?
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Considering the OP is spear heading development on a dual Nova/Epson kernel, I think it is okay for the question to be asked on a very real basis...
the poll was our idea. we needed to see who wanted what. it came from a discussion we were having on #HTC-EVO (<~shameless plug) about the issues were facing and what to do about the community kernel. we figured the real answer would come from... well... the community. anyhow they both need to be fixed for there to actually be a fix. imo a broke isnt fixed so that was the discussion. anyhow hope that settles ths little debate.
Unless a future work-around includes being able to use the HDMI output for use with the actual phone interface and not just videos, I see no real point of using it at all.
So, definitely uncapped.
My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.
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My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.
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Using the 'dirty' fix will pretty much fix the input, go check out the 3.6.3 fix, it will almost remove all lag
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OK so we all have heard about the 30 FPS issue that the Evo has...... now lets do something about it since HTC says it was "designed" like that.
Are any of the devs working on this and if your are please share your findings with the rest of the community so we can all chip in and try helping.
Not really a dev, but if you flash the Froyo-Dev ROM, you'll see that the boot animation speeds along at 30+FPS for a while then drops down to 30 after something gets loaded. I don't know if this is unrelated or not, but if it is related, it seems that the cap is software-enforced by a kernel driver or something.
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OK so we all have heard about the 30 FPS issue that the Evo has...... now lets do something about it since HTC says it was "designed" like that.
Are any of the devs working on this and if your are please share your findings with the rest of the community so we can all chip in and try helping.
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not a dev (but would like to learn).. but i am REALLY glad someone brought this up cause 30fps is NOT GONNA CUT IT.
I Really hope one of these amazing devs can make this happen cause i would hate to have a crippled phone!! lol
I second this motion, this should be high priority. I can't believe the EVO with the hardware that it has "was designed" to under perform. Don't get me wrong the phone is amazing but the future of Android gaming is on the rise. I just purchased NOVA from gameloft. That game is like the mobile version of Halo but it is alittle laggy which makes me sad :'( please help.....
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Its a good thing have alot of great devs such as toast have the evo.... I believe that the problem is either associated with OpenGL or a kernal driver but im going to let someone with more knowledge answer that.
Alright correct me if I'm wrong but if a game is running at 30fps then thats pretty smooth, right? I'm not saying this is isn't a bad thing, but you guys need to point your blame elsewhere. The EVO is great but it doesn't have an even halfway decent GPU AFAIK, so that might be too blame if you are having big 3d graphics problems.
What I'm trying to say here is if you were ACTUALLY getting 30fps constantly (because its locked, as in it would normally be higher) then would you notice this?
Didn't think so.
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Alright correct me if I'm wrong but if a game is running at 30fps then thats pretty smooth, right? I'm not saying this is isn't a bad thing, but you guys need to point your blame elsewhere. The EVO is great but it doesn't have an even halfway decent GPU AFAIK, so that might be too blame if you are having big 3d graphics problems.
What I'm trying to say here is if you were ACTUALLY getting 30fps constantly (because its locked, as in it would normally be higher) then would you notice this?
Didn't think so.
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Dude... the phone is choppy.
30fps is really laggy! Think about the emulators, those rely solely on cpu speed.
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Alright correct me if I'm wrong but if a game is running at 30fps then thats pretty smooth, right? I'm not saying this is isn't a bad thing, but you guys need to point your blame elsewhere. The EVO is great but it doesn't have an even halfway decent GPU AFAIK, so that might be too blame if you are having big 3d graphics problems.
What I'm trying to say here is if you were ACTUALLY getting 30fps constantly (because its locked, as in it would normally be higher) then would you notice this?
Didn't think so.
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True but try playing a game like asphalt 5 then try it on the Nexus or Incredible and you will see a HUGE change
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True but try playing a game like asphalt 5 then try it on the Nexus or Incredible and you will see a HUGE change
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YUP... and doesnt the Incredible and Nexus have the same GPU??
30fps is laggy... you can even notice this in swiping screens and menus.. its just a little choppy... dont get me wrong.. i wouldnt trade this phone for anything.. but the hardware is definitely not seeing its potential here.
Yes let's all correct this guy, there is a huge difference from 30fps to 60fps when running 3d graphic intensive media like some of the other phones out there.
Alright correct me if I'm wrong but if a game is running at 30fps then thats pretty smooth, right? I'm not saying this is isn't a bad thing, but you guys need to point your blame elsewhere. The EVO is great but it doesn't have an even halfway decent GPU AFAIK, so that might be too blame if you are having big 3d graphics problems.
What I'm trying to say here is if you were ACTUALLY getting 30fps constantly (because its locked, as in it would normally be higher) then would you notice this?
Didn't think so.
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just a thought here and this is way out there.. BUT...
What if we could gather "pledges" or donations as a community and the first dev to get rid of this limitation wins?? Like a dev contest of sorts...
Could be a dumb idea i dunno.
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Dude... the phone is choppy.
30fps is really laggy! Think about the emulators, those rely solely on cpu speed.
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True but try playing a game like asphalt 5 then try it on the Nexus or Incredible and you will see a HUGE change
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Once again I'm not trying to argue here, I haven't really gamed on my EVO so I will defer to you, if this is causing problems, then it should be addressed. But I have to note one thing: 30 fps is not laggy. Have you ever gone to a movie theater? Those are 24. Traditional camcorders are like 30, but sometimes 60. Yes the human eye can discern more (there is no definite limit... just like there is no single limit to the ppi the eye can see, so shut up SJ, its different for everyone) but at a certain point its like megapixels, you get more garbage than real information.
A real EVO example I can call forth is the Quadrant 3D graphics demos. The first two run like crap... maxing about at probably 20fps, but the planetoid one runs at 30 (capped there, obviously) and is as smooth as butter.
So I think if you had a framerate counter on those games you would be way under 30 when you notice the lag. I think there must be something else at work here.
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Yes let's all correct this guy, there is a huge difference from 30fps to 60fps when running 3d graphic intensive media like some of the other phones out there.
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I don't really mind if you try to incite mob rule on my posts, but please at least have the courtesy to refer to me as something other than "this guy." Preferably phinnaeus...
ok so we know it makes a differnce... now lets start finding away to fix the problem at hand.... has anyone looked into OpenGL... i remember it has problems in the hero and it messed up the FPS but it was addressed by developers... maybe the problem lays in there.
A pledge for donations sounds good too.... im putting in 5 bucks.. lets keep this going
I can tell you this, when a buddy of mine with a Nexus one and I both loaded up the same games to see the difference next to one another it made me wanna throw my EVO at the ground as hard as I could.
It's choppy, its laggy, its all around BAD. The nexus one has the same processor and gpu and its smooth as a baby's ass. If you can't see it you are in denial.
I think there was a similar issue with the Droid when it got the 2.1 update... maybe we would be looking at a similar fix for the evo??
Why dont you repost this with a bounty to get this fixed?
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I think there was a similar issue with the Droid when it got the 2.1 update... maybe we would be looking at a similar fix for the evo??
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I wonder if there is a ROM of 1.6 that can be flashed on the Evo?
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Dude... the phone is choppy.
30fps is really laggy! Think about the emulators, those rely solely on cpu speed.
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funny on my phone i notice no "choppyness" or lag could be there but im to busy to notice
For starters, i'm not convinced that the evo runs the froyo/nexus1 boot animation at more than 30fps. it just looks to me like it "runs faster" after the GPU driver loads.
I haven't seen any indication that it's running at 60fps. Just faster than the 10fps it runs before the drivers lod
Second, the gaming lag issues have already been fixed in the froyo build. Asphalt is playable on v6+ of froyo.
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has anyone looked into OpenGL... i remember it has problems in the hero and it messed up the FPS but it was addressed by developers... maybe the problem lays in there.
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Is this the openGL issue you're referring to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592663?
After last update any new EVO 720p camcorder recordings are dropping frames, freezing on frames and the audio is mismatched.
Anyone else having this issue or know of a fix?
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After last update any new EVO 720p camcorder recordings are dropping frames, freezing on frames and the audio is mismatched.
Anyone else having this issue or know of a fix?
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I've always had this problem. It's not my SD card either, cuz it's pretty fast.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is this 720p camcorder??
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is this 720p camcorder??
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I think he means video recorder.
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I think he means video recorder.
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oh....well that's a lot less exciting
The app is actually called camcorder. And its always been crappy for me.
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Ditto for me, always been crappy it's a shame too because it looks good until a 5 min video is out of sync by 30 second's.
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HTC EVO 4G Camcorder Dropping frames
I've had the problem for over a year. Been to the Sprint store 5 times had hard resets done wiping my phone and no fix. They replaced twice and both new phones do the same thing. Went to the store again today because i'm due an upgrade and they will not do anything but give me another same phone unless I want to get the NEW HTC LTE that would cost $200. They told me that is the only way to fix it. That sounds like crap that I have to pay and switch to another phone to fix the issue.
I can't remember where I read this, but it said to fix this or at least make it better you need to change your read/write speed for your sd card. Haven't tried this myself though, because I don't use the camcorder.
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I can't remember where I read this, but it said to fix this or at least make it better you need to change your read/write speed for your sd card. Haven't tried this myself though, because I don't use the camcorder.
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Which ROM?
Which kernel?
What is the SDcard readahead speed?
Details please man, otherwise It's kind of hard to help...
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Which ROM?
Which kernel?
What is the SDcard readahead speed?
Details please man, otherwise It's kind of hard to help...
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I am using nitrous 1.55 with ca1ne's nitrous kernel. I just ran a few test videos on my own phone. At 128kb r/w under 30 seconds no problem over 30 seconds a little jittery.
After changing r/w speed same thing. I'm sorry that this didn't help out. I was just relaying something I had read, and never tested b/c I don't use the camcorder on my evo. Hope you get this fixed.
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I am using nitrous 1.55 with ca1ne's nitrous kernel. I just ran a few test videos on my own phone. At 128kb r/w under 30 seconds no problem over 30 seconds a little jittery.
After changing r/w speed same thing. I'm sorry that this didn't help out. I was just relaying something I had read, and never tested b/c I don't use the camcorder on my evo. Hope you get this fixed.
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Move the readahead speed to 512kb, if it still lags, use 1024kb.. also, it could be the CPU speeds and gov. that's slowing making the video lag.
I would absolutely love to see some footage of the evo running at 50 or 60 fps. Not so much the test screen but just navigating through the homescreens would be perfect. If anyone has a video camera and wants to film their evo or knows where i can see some footage please send it my way. Thanks to all of you who have been unlocking the potential of this phone!
I still don't have an evo but will be buying one on friday and this would help to win me over 100%.
Thanks!
Edit: So I've seen a few videos and the smoothness and reaction timing of the uncapped evo is wonderful. I can only assume that the performance and stability will increase as time goes on.
If anyone has anymore footage of their uncapped homescreens and menus let's post em here. Thanks everyone!
Coming from an iphone, the 30 fps really hasn't annoyed me too much. It annoys me that the droid x has it and HTC can't get a straight answer out about it, but overall, it's still better than my iphone - not as clean or polished, but better.
Go get it!
Yeah i've pretty much made my decision that I will be getting it. I would just love to see some footage of the homescreen at +30fps.
footage? go look at the novatek screen thread, there's plenty of proof there
well there are plenty of screen shots of the bench mark testing but no footage of homescreen navigation that i know of
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well there are plenty of screen shots of the bench mark testing but no footage of homescreen navigation that i know of
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I can shoot some of my Epson home screen at 30 fps with my iphone, if you'd like, but I think the reason why there is no actual video proof is because most video cameras only shoot at 30fps, so it'd not going to make any difference on video.
Yeah! if you could shoot that footage and then upload to youtube or something that would be awesome. Even youtube videos of the stock evo homescreen shows some lag so i think i would be able to notice a difference if I saw footage of evo uncapped.
Thanks!
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Yeah! if you could shoot that footage and then upload to youtube or something that would be awesome. Even youtube videos of the stock evo homescreen shows some lag so i think i would be able to notice a difference if I saw footage of evo uncapped.
Thanks!
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Oh, well mine is capped. I don't want to bump the refresh rate up just to make it look slightly smoother. I've played with other android phones before and the evo is 100x better. I would have the new iphone 4 if the evo hadn't come out, plus I get 23% off out monthly sprint bill, so that helped, too. Haha.
The all apps menu in list view is lightly laggy right after you bring it out of sleep, but it's really quite smooth after a few seconds. I'm running fresh 5.3, too, which helped quite a bit, and I have a live wallpaper running, too.
There was a video footage month ago.search YouTube.its a kernel called GODMODE by Toastchf and the devs still working on it for all custom Roms.its a work in progress.
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I don't have any footage, there is plenty though but I just did the hack to my EVO and I'm running around 46 FPS stable and the home screens are SMOOTH as hell.
Even though it's a "dirty" hack as they put it, my god it works nicely.
Too bad it doesnt speed up Divx videos though!
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There was a video footage month ago.search YouTube.its a kernel called GODMODE by Toastchf and the devs still working on it for all custom Roms.its a work in progress.
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Thanks for the lead! Performance looks amazing. I love modding and tweeking devices so it looks like i'll have a lot of fun with this evo.
If you're looking for something a little more recent, I recorded a video today demonstrating the smoothness of the Evo once the frame cap has been removed. What makes my video sorta unique is that I first show how responsive it is before the kernel kicks in; afterward, I cycle my screen and show the home screen stuff once the cap is disabled.
Big thanks to all the developers who made this possible.
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If you're looking for something a little more recent, I recorded a video today demonstrating the smoothness of the Evo once the frame cap has been removed. What makes my video sorta unique is that I first show how responsive it is before the kernel kicks in; afterward, I cycle my screen and show the home screen stuff once the cap is disabled.
Big thanks to all the developers who made this possible.
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Thankyou for posting that. The video shows a definite increase in smoothness and reaction time. I'm sold. Getting one on friday. If anymore videos become available put them on this thread. I think it's valuable to see the real world practical advantage of using the modified kernel. Again,many thanks goes to the developers and to their hard work.
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If you're looking for something a little more recent, I recorded a video today demonstrating the smoothness of the Evo once the frame cap has been removed. What makes my video sorta unique is that I first show how responsive it is before the kernel kicks in; afterward, I cycle my screen and show the home screen stuff once the cap is disabled.
Big thanks to all the developers who made this possible.
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Is that latest fresh Rom with the godmode kernel ? Does everything work in the phone with the kernel?
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Is that latest fresh Rom with the godmode kernel ? Does everything work in the phone with the kernel?
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Yeah, it's Fresh 1.0 with the Fresh Toast Kernel available through Fresh updater. Since toast is responsible for bringing it to the updater, I'm assuming it's the godmode kernel.
Everything works fine, I'm usually in the 50-52 fps range. However, there is a noticeable amount of tearing when you're scrolling with the phone in landscape mode.
So all I have to do is flash fresh 1.0 and that includes the godmode kernel ?
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Thought is was a Hardware limitation!
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/news/new-ota-out-92210-3-29-651-5/
Software Version: HTC - EVO 4G (A9292) - 3.29.651.5
Release Date: 9/22/2010
Update Method: Available OTA + Retail
Version History:
* Calendar Event Edit Issue
* Multiple Gmail Account Sync
* 30 FPS uncapped
* GPS Reboot
Thanks to Joeykrim for the tip
intresting
Hmmm sounds good..
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Don't forget "undoes root" as well. I haven't had the cap in a while and while it is good news for the folks who use stock ROMs I won't really gain much. The new Gmail app in the market already adds multiple accounts.
It would be nice if there was some way to download it, so that the Devs could get to work on it. Nice to see the changes, should make for some awesome ROMs when they get ahold of it.
This would mean ROMS can now have HDMI out at uncapped FPS now right??? From what I remember then you used HDMI itvout cap back down to 30. Am I wrong??
This is very possible. I actually just got back from my Sprint store because my 4G wont connect, i tried everything, restting my MAC address, new rom's new kernels, stock roms, going back to the original and everything but still couldnt fix it.
while i was there, an HTC rep came in and was talking to the employees and was wondering how the EVO was doing vs the Epic (EVO was selling way more than the epic if anyone wondered - at least at this particular store) He also mentioned that there was going to be an OTA update released on or around the 29th. He said it was going to be a minor update tho, it wouldn't effect battery life much but they are also working on an update for the future as well. He said that they are trying to develop software that updates everything at the same time instead of facebook updating, then twitter, and so on. This will help the radio from turning on and off and on and off so that should help. i wonder if the FPS was the update he was talking about for the 29th... we will see!
hm, so would this phone be getting 60fps?
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hm, so would this phone be getting 60fps?
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probably not 60, but over 30 anyway. I'm going to guess around 53. Anyone know how long it will take to see how they did it?
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Not sure about 60fps but the way I understand it, a digital video out like that needs a set refresh rate. If you typically fluctuate between 45-55fps without the cap it wouldn't work over a digital connection like HDMI. Therefore, they capped it at a typical 30fps (which is comparable to the 29.97fps of NTSC television).
I guess the smart thing would have been to use software that automatically regulated the framerate when you output to the HDMI and not for anything else. Trying to scale it on the fly would be too difficult and it would have to be a refresh rate that your display was even capable of. If your phone can't push a steady 60fps then it's not like you could just set it to "variable refresh rate of anywhere from 40-56fps". Think of it like hooking up an LCD monitor to your computer. You need to define the resolution and refresh rate. If your game is playing at 92fps because you have a badass video card but your monitor is set at 1920x1080 at 85Hz, you will not actually "see" 92fps. You will see 85fps because that is how fast your screen refreshes. I guess without vsync you could have it update mid-refresh but then you see tearing.
Is it just me or is there no link ?
the news link is in the original post, but the actual "download" update apparently comes in the form of an OTA tommorrow.
Like I said over in the "Evo capping all graphics to 30FPS" thread. Not a single data sheet on any of the hardware had 30fps as it's limit and that HTC would look stupid if they kept saying it was the hardware.
Will we see 1080p/60 (yes, the HDMI transmitter can do that) I doubt it because the GPU is the weak spot in the equation. Now we just need to see how the fps deviations look and if they're cleaner than the custom roms (not hold my breath) then expect a new wave of custom roms to land.
So, will this HTC fix for the fps be any better than our current custom kernel fixes? Also, any chance this might be used on the hdmi out really?? or just fps for videos/games etc.??
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699290
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/news/new-ota-out-92210-3-29-651-5/
i believe this will actually be better cause if they brake the cap mean that you will not be stop by it in any way. right now every kernel can do max around 55fps, even when you play simple games like laberinth which is suppost to be 60fps, it will only reach 53-55. Playing in my nexus1 the games is a 60fps rock solid.
rjmjr69 said:
Thought is was a Hardware limitation!
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/news/new-ota-out-92210-3-29-651-5/
Software Version: HTC - EVO 4G (A9292) - 3.29.651.5
Release Date: 9/22/2010
Update Method: Available OTA + Retail
Version History:
* Calendar Event Edit Issue
* Multiple Gmail Account Sync
* 30 FPS uncapped
* GPS Reboot
Thanks to Joeykrim for the tip
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Joe Wilson "YOU LIE!"
"yawn"...
anyone running custom roms hasn't dealt with the 30 fps issue in awhile, so, this means nothing to most folks who are rooted and running a custom rom..
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"yawn"...
anyone running custom roms hasn't dealt with the 30 fps issue in awhile, so, this means nothing to most folks who are rooted and running a custom rom..
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i think it will, current custom kernels are capped about 53-55, the extra 5-8 fps will still make it a little smoother
i guess if you play lots of games on your phone, you might see a difference..
Well I for one am excited
I noticed that the Evo has a touch sensitive lag that is more apparent than any other device. A lot of noobs here thought it was due to the FPS but obviously it wasn't. I can figure it out myself because logically, screen size does not change how heat is transfered between the screen. I'm really curious what exactly it is.... notice how on the iPhone/iPad/iTouch there is zero to no lag in touch display and movement which is what makes gaming on Apple so wicked. The Evo is by far the worst device for this.... Its not a deal breaker by any means, but it is very noticeable when switching between an Apple product and the Evo.
Anyone got any theories as to what it may be? The lag is definitely there but nobody is really talking about it. There MUST be a fix - and NO its not putting custom rom like CM6 on it... its not a rom issue.
I really hope that in future devices Android phone makers will focus on reducing lag times. If there is any apparent gap between iOS and Android besides that app market it would be the lag issue. The reason I even thought of this was when reading a gaming thread earlier today - made me curious...
Oh I totally agree! Just spent 30 mins on 1 level of angry birds trying to be precise and ugh....I'm still trying to calm down.....damn frustration. I've never really spent more than 5 mins with an apple phone so I can't compare. But I could totally tell the lag. But really I've only actually noticed it a couple of times so I dunno what's up
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There MUST be a fix - and NO its not putting custom rom like CM6 on it... its not a rom issue.
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Well of course you're right...
Though I have seen the lag disappear with the addition of Kingx BFS11 kernel. So technically it's not a rom, but a kernel has fixed it for me.
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Well of course you're right...
Though I have seen the lag disappear with the addition of Kingx BFS11 kernel. So technically it's not a rom, but a kernel has fixed it for me.
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Really? So it does not matter how fast you move left to right the screen stays perfectly in sync with the origin....?
werxen said:
Really? So it does not matter how fast you move left to right the screen stays perfectly in sync with the origin....?
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Or even in circles.
Well, my EVO is pretty responsive, scrolling and pressing things is super responsive.
Kinda weird, but I open the App menu and just scroll through the apps list up and down, kinda weird but it's just fascinates me sometimes .
Maybe you have too much processes going on?
I'm using EvIo Caulkin ROM
Yeah, this problem was a big letdown for me... like you said, not a deal breaker, but very annoying. It just seems to be tiny things that they overlooked. But it appears not so tiny when a lot of other people notice the issue as well.
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Weird. I'm using 100% stock Evo and I also have used an iPhone extensively, and I don't notice any difference to be totally honest... the complete opposite in fact. I've always concluded the Evo was one of the best.
I'm just an average user, maybe I'm not trained enough to notice lol.
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No problems here
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I only notice it with Sense UI... Other phones like the Epic or whatever, seem to have less of a lag with touch. The minute I install an AOSP ROM, it's butter smooth and more responsive.
And it's not a ROM issue, just a Sense issue.
DC 3.6 and net's 4.2.1 bfs. Responsive as hell. Though, before the fps fixes, lag and studder were very apparent.
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The iPhone's touch panel is just better.
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DC 3.6 and net's 4.2.1 bfs. Responsive as hell. Though, before the fps fixes, lag and studder were very apparent.
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That's not what the OP is talking about. You're thinking of "visual smoothness", the OP is talking about touch accuracy.
Here's a article that goes into it and shows how much better the iPhone is. It's from earlier this year, so no EVO or iPhone 4 comparisons, but it should be a similar case for both.
never had any issues with screen lag/responsiveness.
On a side note though, and very weird, I went to do a test in Angry Birds like someone had mentioned and Angry Birds was mysteriously no longer installed on my phone...bizarre....
Well, guess I misunderstood the OP as well. Mine is very responsive. Sorry.
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I'm using MIUI and Zen kernel and have no noticeable lag, even when playing games. I will say, however, that the glass screen of the iPhone does give it a performance boost on touchscreen response.
i had some lag issues with fresh 3.4 with the stock kernel switched to kings bfs 11 touch lag gone don't know why but it was switched to net's and lag was back left that kernel on and recalibrated the touch screen by calibrateing the keyboard and lag disapeared again but that was me don't know if it will work for anyone else
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The iPhone's touch panel is just better.
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Actually, the touch panel on the evo is simply the best on the market. Look up Atmel MaXTouch... This might simply be a driver issue or even a design decision.
Atmel maXtouch: http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp
Unlimited touches
Low power consumption
Fast response — completely redraws screen every 4/1000 of a second (4ms) to
eliminate recalibration issues
Excellent signal-to-noise ratio for superior precision — 3x better than competitive
products
Superior performance for first-touch response — 3x better than competitive
products
Unambiguous, unlimited touch support
Responsive user interface: > 250 Hz report rate for a single touch
Extremely low current consumption: < 1.8 mW in "touch-ready" state
Two touch adjacency of less than 10 mm on a 4.3 inch (10.9 cm) touchscreen
Small footprint with few external components
Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves
Grip and face suppression functionality: avoids false touches
Size and angle of touch supported
Screen sizes up to 10.2 inches (25.9 cm) are supported by a single chip
Proximity channel support
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It even supports gloved hands if the OEM wants that enabled.
The only lag I have is when the phone is plugged in/charging. Other than that there is absolutely no other lag on my Evo. Those that are experiencing lag make sure it's not during charging.
On a side note the OP is truly an iPhone bias according to his previous post. Thought It's pretty funny.
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I noticed that the Evo has a touch sensitive lag that is more apparent than any other device. A lot of noobs here thought it was due to the FPS but obviously it wasn't. I can figure it out myself because logically, screen size does not change how heat is transfered between the screen. I'm really curious what exactly it is.... notice how on the iPhone/iPad/iTouch there is zero to no lag in touch display and movement which is what makes gaming on Apple so wicked. The Evo is by far the worst device for this.... Its not a deal breaker by any means, but it is very noticeable when switching between an Apple product and the Evo.
Anyone got any theories as to what it may be? The lag is definitely there but nobody is really talking about it. There MUST be a fix - and NO its not putting custom rom like CM6 on it... its not a rom issue.
I really hope that in future devices Android phone makers will focus on reducing lag times. If there is any apparent gap between iOS and Android besides that app market it would be the lag issue. The reason I even thought of this was when reading a gaming thread earlier today - made me curious...
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If you're up-to-date and you have a significant amount of free space on your internal storage and your phone is still laggy... return it because it's obviously defective.
Try a factory reset and/or a new kernel. Then kill off some of the sprint and htc bloatware.
Going from HTC Kernel #11 to #17 there was a noticeable difference in performance for me.
Going from there to AOSP was a complete improvement.
The stock rom is unbearable once you use a tweaked rom.
If none of that works I would bet your phone is defective and you should go back to your iphone.
Want to supply us with a software version and kernel version of your phone?
Or atleast something more than "The Evo sucks and the iphone is great"