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Smooth Scrolling?

Is there anything that will take care of that sudden jerk when you start to scroll in the browser? It's very annoying. It's been improved over the stock ROM using other ROMs, but it's still there. When you start to scroll...it snaps/jerks before getting smooth. Yeah, yeah...I know...we have a SNAPdragon processor... LOL...but hope you know what I mean. Seems to only be happening in the browser, stock/dolphin.

Mine seems very smooth in Dolphin, Im not sure what youre refering to exactly. Is there a video or anything that shows what you mean?

mines smooth as can be as well.
Mines smooth with no snap at first...

Agree with the above people. Can you post a video? Mine's just fine.

Only video camera I currently have is on the Nexus. Sorry. But, you really only notice it, I guess, when you do a slight scroll. It's very minute, but...ah...must just be an OCD of mine.

I think I know what you mean. You scroll and its late to react so it jumps ahead. This is something I only noticed after using another device ( that I wont address by name because it hurts peoples feelings around here )which scrolls a lot smoother. And its not just the browser its all scrolling. But again, if I hadn't used the "other" phone first I wouldn't even notice it.

If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...

DMaverick50 said:
I think I know what you mean. You scroll and its late to react so it jumps ahead.
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Bingo!
Ruben1123 said:
If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...
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Man...hope they get it done soon! Or, hope a dev is working on something to get it to 100% perfection...or at least 99%....I think it's at about 96-97 right now. LoL

Yep, the iPhone has much smoother scrolling(there, i said it.), i did a direct comparison in google maps between the n1 and my dad's old ipod touch. The touch movement is far smoother and feels more real, as real as a scrolling image on a screen can be i suppose.

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If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...
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Yeah I agree, android is young but google will take care of the shortcomings. Just have to be patient

I can't believe anyone even noticed this!
I've had my nexus one for near 2 months now (and an iphone before that), and I've never noticed this 'problem' until I looked carefully after reading this thread!

GlenH said:
I can't believe anyone even noticed this!
I've had my nexus one for near 2 months now (and an iphone before that), and I've never noticed this 'problem' until I looked carefully after reading this thread!
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Oops...Sorry!

Devs, Why is everyone messing with OpenGL?

I understand the need to tweak, but it seems that tweaking OpenGL only seems to improve LWPs, at the sacrifice of 3D games and Google Maps.
I'm running FreshToast 1.1, and I think it has a hacked up OpenGL.
Google Maps Navigation works, but the screen "blinks" every 2-3 seconds, and to be honest, the 3D performance in gaming is worse than my 1.5 ROM without overclocking or JIT or anything. Damage Control (whichever one he didn't mess with OpenGL) seemed to work just as good as 1.5
Is OpenGL baked into the Kernel? Or can I just push some files and have OpenGL back to the way it was from the "original" sprint release, or whatever it is that works with Google Nav.

herm... ive done nothing to opengl in my build. that is the same opengl that is in every single 2.1 RUU. the same libs that are gonna be in the official update from Sprint. the kernel however has been modified. but only modified to support opengl 1.1 which is eclair opengl. my kernel drivers actually work better then the .29 kernel drivers. producing better fps and better blit ability then .29 kernel drivers. if a game runs funny and is blinking and such it could be the game itself or the games lack of support for opengl 1.1. if ur sayin the games u play work better in cupcake then idk what to say. other then that load up cupcake and run neocore. come back and give me a report. i doubt ur gonna get anything close to what opengl1.1 produces.
as for the LWP opengl kill. all they are doing is adding cupcake opengl libs or noncompatable opengl libs and getting LWP to work. i have not done this and actually think its pointless. but some dont play games and just want some cool LWPs. who am i to judge?
anyhow in my build ur getting the same opengl that ur gonna get in any eclair build using eclair libs. love it or hate it there is nothing we can do about it. the only advantage to using mine and the other OC builds is the CPU is able to process the information faster. thus giving u better frame rates. this all varies of course on the game and what it wants. ive played a few games in testing and have found OC, opengl1.1, and BFS have given a much better feel and framerates. while others may feel good and run smooth but have glitchy bitmaps and textures. for example: homerunbattle... it has awesome actual game play but there seem to be textures that flip out. on the other hand ive played toonwarz which really sucked before, but is totally smooth and actually playable now. also R.thunder lite has shown major improvements. it even says its for high end devices and before all the cpu and shed mods it was totally unplayable. now its playable and actually fun if u ditch the sound to improve frame rates. so yeah i can see where ur coming from. but i also know that OC, BFS, and opengl 1.1 together have made my hero go from playing pong to actually rendering some awesome games. a few glitches and pixelation is to be exspected if ur gonna push a device to play a game it wasnt meant to, or crank the cpu up to get better frame rates. it all come down to hardware. were never gonna make the hero run like a nexus. but..... ive given it the boyscout effort.
also i welcome people to review my kernel source and if they find improvements to submit changes. if u got a better way to make our hardware render please pm me make a patch, or whatever. i be glad to sign ur name to it and push it to my tree.

is there no command or syntax for disabling the opengl in a smali in the lwp's to make them stick? also, I've seen some magic roms with a sup setup app that has an option to disable 3d... I'm assuming this means opengl, as I am pretty damn sure they don't have a seperate gpu, is it possible to make this work on our hero's? Turn it off for keeping your lwp's, turning it on to play games?

mountaindont said:
i love how your like one of the smartest guys here but have the worst grammer
gives hope to us small time guys
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lmfao
grammar* ;/
nice sig!

funcrusher said:
lmfao
grammar* ;/
nice sig!
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lol!
case&point
its thanks to toast i have any hope left

I meant no disrespect as far as your work is considered toast, sorry if it came off that way. You and Flipz have "the hottest ****" (no other way to put it ;-) ).
I'm actually referring to two separate issues. One is Google Maps Navigation. The 3D moving map blinking. I was running Aloyouis (however you spell it) and I know he was doing something with the OpenGL and in turn it broke Google Nav. Now after running Google Nav on freshtoast it works, but is very glitchy. On Aloyouis it was just a black screen. I assumed it had something to do with making LWP work.
The other is actual gameplay lag. I'll have to try toonwarz again. I remember it seemed cool, but too laggy. The game I was referring to in particular was Armagodon Squadron. Then again it may be due to the fact that It's loading a lot of textures off the SD card (A2SD) I'll try putting it on internal memory.
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mountaindont said:
i love how your like one of the smartest guys here but have the worst grammer
gives hope to us small time guys
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fail
and with open gl. i get that weird flashing sometimes with rthunder2. but not bad. i game too on my hero. thats why i left blackberry in the first place. but anyways the .27 OC kernel and my modified rom plays rthunder2 smooth even with sound.

no offense taken(even on the grammar crack). anyhow i was trying to inform. many people are misinformed on these forums. i see things all the time like "opengl fix" and "kernel hack", that are far from what the mods really are. "opengl fix" really means "broken opengl so u can have nicer lwp" and " kernel mod" really means "added a few lines to the ramdisk". its kinda funny from my point of view because most actually think its some sort of real "fix" or "mod to the kernel". being misinformed is what started this thread. if the "rom devs" that use those terms wouldve been more descriptive of what they actually did. then u wouldve known what "opengl fix" really meant. but its also a domino effect that causes that to happen. when i see a fix im not all jumping head first to be first man out. i actually look at what was done and try to figure out how it was done. anyhow im always here to help everyone and when i seen the post i knew u needed to know a few things about the "opengl fixes" that have been gong around.

In that case, are you aware of the "glitching" in google maps nav?
Its as if when driving, its loading a different set of images (maps) and flashes it for a few ms every say.... 5-8 seconds.
I just noticed there is an update for google maps, so im going to update and see if its fixed tomorrow when I do my errand runs.

poor_red_neck said:
In that case, are you aware of the "glitching" in google maps nav?
Its as if when driving, its loading a different set of images (maps) and flashes it for a few ms every say.... 5-8 seconds.
I just noticed there is an update for google maps, so im going to update and see if its fixed tomorrow when I do my errand runs.
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ill try it in the mornin

toastcfh said:
ill try it in the mornin
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I agree, I saw the flashes in google nav, but just blew it off and not sure why its happening. It doesnt really bother me, but if it can be fixed, then thats great!

toastcfh said:
no offense taken(even on the grammar crack). anyhow i was trying to inform. many people are misinformed on these forums. i see things all the time like "opengl fix" and "kernel hack", that are far from what the mods really are. "opengl fix" really means "broken opengl so u can have nicer lwp" and " kernel mod" really means "added a few lines to the ramdisk". its kinda funny from my point of view because most actually think its some sort of real "fix" or "mod to the kernel". being misinformed is what started this thread. if the "rom devs" that use those terms wouldve been more descriptive of what they actually did. then u wouldve known what "opengl fix" really meant. but its also a domino effect that causes that to happen. when i see a fix im not all jumping head first to be first man out. i actually look at what was done and try to figure out how it was done. anyhow im always here to help everyone and when i seen the post i knew u needed to know a few things about the "opengl fixes" that have been gong around.
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lol whats wrong with his grammar, hahaha thats how everyone talks online, i use most of those words when texting, i hardcore say gonna, i hate typing out going to.

[POLL] HDMI out vs Uncapped Framerate

What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?

Where's option 3 with automatic toggling if an hdmi cable is connected?! I keed I keed

netarchy said:
What is more of a priority to you: Uncapped framerates or HDMI-out ?
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Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.

jerryparid said:
Have the devs found the actual cap? Not some dirty LCD hack.
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The main cap is probably being set in the radio, which leaves us with having to work around it to uncap framerates. Ideally if it's possible to get both uncapped framerates and hdmi-out working at the same time that's the solution that will be used.

I vote framerate for now... but hopefully there is some long term solution to both

I'll take framerate. HDMI would put up more of a fight if we could get full output of the android system instead of just selective video.

I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?

I'd go with the fps because the hdmi is still restricted with output options anyway

acme64 said:
I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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Gaming without annoying lag and stuttering. Smooth transitions between home screens. Better live wallpaper performance. Feel as smooth overall as the HTC Aria

acme64 said:
I still don't understand why the cap is a big deal. What can't you do that requires double the framerate?
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the device being capped at 30 fps wouldn't be a problem if the device wouldn't drop below 30fps but it often does during 3d games (the human eye typically perceives anything over 19 fps as fluid motion, without choppiness or studdering). so the main reason to uncap the framerate is because it gives you more wiggle room for the fps to drop without you noticing choppiness.
so if you were capped at 30 fps and a game caused a performance drop of 12 fps then you would now be at 18fps and you will notice choppiness,
but if the fps were unlocked to 44 (which is the novatek right now i think) and that same game dropped the 12 fps, you would now be running at 32 fps and you will notice no choppiness.
it can be hard for someone to understand sometimes as most people dont properly explain WHY having higher fps is nice instead of just sounding like iphone users "its so smooth!" like the guy above me lol.

I vote frame rate. Less than 1% of the time would be spent using HDMI for me anyway.

Didn't someone post this already ?
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I couldn't care less about HDMI, disable it permanently to uncap the frame rate for all I care.

HDBaseT>hdmi
http://www.pcworld.com/article/200301/new_technology_could_replace_hdmi_with_ethernet_cables.html
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What about just maintaining 2 different kernels and if u wanna use hdmi you could easily flash one kernel then flash right back to the fps fixed kernel when your finished seems like the most logical way to go

GHOST99K said:
Didn't someone post this already ?
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Considering the OP is spear heading development on a dual Nova/Epson kernel, I think it is okay for the question to be asked on a very real basis...

the poll was our idea. we needed to see who wanted what. it came from a discussion we were having on #HTC-EVO (<~shameless plug) about the issues were facing and what to do about the community kernel. we figured the real answer would come from... well... the community. anyhow they both need to be fixed for there to actually be a fix. imo a broke isnt fixed so that was the discussion. anyhow hope that settles ths little debate.

Unless a future work-around includes being able to use the HDMI output for use with the actual phone interface and not just videos, I see no real point of using it at all.
So, definitely uncapped.

My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.

wfrandy said:
My only complaint about the Evo has been the laggy touch response. If uncapping the framerate fixes that, which the op's kernel that I flashed today has on my phone, I am willing to do without the hdmi. While I would prefer to have everything working, getting rid of the touch lag is the highest priority to me.
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Using the 'dirty' fix will pretty much fix the input, go check out the 3.6.3 fix, it will almost remove all lag

ChainFire3D

Has anyone successfully tried this on the EVO? I haven't seen very many people attempt it, or at least write about it, so I was wondering if anyone's tried it, on what rom, and what experiences they've had with it?
Thanks.

Android 17 said:
Has anyone successfully tried this on the EVO? I haven't seen very many people attempt it, or at least write about it, so I was wondering if anyone's tried it, on what rom, and what experiences they've had with it?
Thanks.
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i have it didnt mess anything up but havent played with it to much since i got it cause i was wondering the same thing and actually i just ran it and it helped plants vs zombies load a lot quicker lol

ckoadiyn said:
i have it didnt mess anything up but havent played with it to much since i got it cause i was wondering the same thing and actually i just ran it and it helped plants vs zombies load a lot quicker lol
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Hmm, that's actually interesting, does your game lag towards the end of a level when you get a new plant card, and it zooms in on it with light shining?
My EVO does in that spot, which isn't a big deal but it'd be nice if it could get rid of instances such as that.

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Hmm, that's actually interesting, does your game lag towards the end of a level when you get a new plant card, and it zooms in on it with light shining?
My EVO does in that spot, which isn't a big deal but it'd be nice if it could get rid of instances such as that.
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im trying it with a certain setting give me a cpl min

ckoadiyn said:
im trying it with a certain setting give me a cpl min
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didnt notice lag with reduce texture quality in the settings so try it out but like so mANY things could vary from rom and from evo ya kno

I have it running with the nvidia plugin, samurai II works great!

Yeah, it seems like it might be worth a try. I wonder if it's let our EVO's run Playstation roms better or a game like Dungeon Defenders.

I use it with the texture unrolled and Nvidia plugin to play tetra zone games like Riptide gp (bit laggy and qaulity is off), pinball HD (pretty flawless)

This is what really really annoys me!!!

Why is it when there are any articles on the Xperia Play the comment sections are always full of "know it all's" that slag the device off without even trying it?
Take a look at Eurogamers new article for example then go down to the comments section - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-06-sony-ericsson-no-need-for-xperia-play-2
grrrrrrr

just a tip,1.6 GHZ is abit to hot.I've being using 1.4 and 1.5 and they work just as great
Also,ignore the comments,IRL if you show your hacked/Modded PLay their brains would go out the window
Atleast thats whats happened to me once i showed how fast it was,oh and gamepaddd

Cat_On_Droid said:
just a tip,1.6 GHZ is abit to hot.I've being using 1.4 and 1.5 and they work just as great
Also,ignore the comments,IRL if you show your hacked/Modded PLay their brains would go out the window
Atleast thats whats happened to me once i showed how fast it was,oh and gamepaddd
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I've actually put mine down to 1.4ghz only to try and balance the battery a bit as 1.6ghz was going through the battery rather quickly!

FK1983 said:
I've actually put mine down to 1.4ghz only to try and balance the battery a bit as 1.6ghz was going through the battery rather quickly!
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Lowering the voltages will have a better effect on battery than lowering the clock speed

can't blame them for wanting more power.but..
whats the good of dual core if you just use is to call and text people

They are just jelly because they don't have one.

subcu1ture said:
They are just jelly because they don't have one.
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+1 Totally agree

AndroHero said:
Lowering the voltages will have a better effect on battery than lowering the clock speed
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What do you have yours set to? when I tried it I froze the screen so had to reboot!

Yeah, the nobs probably don't have one and are jealous because they signed a 4 year contract and still paid 400 for an iphone that is obsolete this month or next.

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What do you have yours set to? when I tried it I froze the screen so had to reboot!
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Same here xD
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Problem its people look at specs and benchmarks and never do their own research, very annoying that people including supposedly respectable reviewers are too bothered about the silly specs!
IMO this phone is better than any I've tried, sensation, galaxy s2, desire hd and s none hold up to the gaming and general experience of the XP, just need more advocates like us!
Sony have done really well with the software and all the xda people make things loads better!
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Zombie iPhone fanboys, don't even bother reading their comments.

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people look at specs and benchmarks and never do their own research
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Ditto.
People using 'single core' as an argument against it automatically revoke any chance that their opinion is reputable. People who know what they're talking about know it has some blazing fast high-quality memory and acceleration that's great enough to keep it's performance right up there with the dual cores.
Samurai II on Xperia PLAY runs just as smoothly as it does on the Atrix.

Don't mind them.. I came from iPhone also, but nothing compares our phone for now.. I know deep inside of them they want this phone too, they just dont admit that they made a wrong decision by choosing their current phone over this..

I’m happy with it and that is all that matters to me.