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Great phone but needs serious update...

hi all.
I have this phone 3rd day now and here are issues I discovered while using it.
It is a great phone,but needs serious update from guys in HTC.
-Navigation feature is utterly useless.it is so damn slow.in compass mode it is showing wrong direction.also I miss footprints implementation with Google maps.I know,you can open certain footprint in GM but I meant full support.this is only my suggestion but all in all navigation app is horrible and I think once used,it slows the DHD down.
-Sometimes it lags like hell.at least for me.I have installed only apps I've used before on old Desire and there I had no problems with slowdowns or lag.I am using app from market called "SystemPanel".basically it shows all your phone activities an running processes.it can also monitor phone performance over time.this app is showing that every time I wake up DHD CPU usage rises to 100% and stays there until I switch screen back off.then it drops to almost nothing.unfortunately it doesn't show which processes are using this much resources.this app always pointed me to the right direction when I was tracking down defective apps.i have already emailed the developer about this.it could be compatibility issue with this app and new DHD.it also shows that right after reboot almost 75% of RAM is in use.really?this phone has a huge RAM and if this is correct reading,than HTC did a lot of bad coding while making this new Soft.after some time of use my DHD becomes sluggish and lags a lot.I got rid of Samsung Galaxy S because of it's lag issue.I never had any similar problems on old Desire and it has much smaller RAM and was running on 2.1!
-Sync function is a bitt dogy as well.it takes ages to sync all the accounts and it took few attempts to sync with my Google account.I've seen someone posting about this,so I know I am not the only one with this problem.this brings me to all new
-htcsense.com.nothing seems to work right.at least for me.and this was one of the most highlighted features when this phone was announced.
-Camera software is not what I expected.I doubt it is hardware problem.it is just poorly programmed.in low-light conditions quality simply sucks.and I just don't understand why camcorder cannot work on higher frame rate.
-flash support is not that good too.If you select option in browser to "always use" after a while of browsing od flash sites phone gets so slow reboot is needed.after such a long time Adobe still cannot make proper mobile version.that is a fail by me especially when these days mobile devices are in almost everyone pocket and are widely used for web browsing.
That's about it.sorry that you had to read such long post,but that's my DHD experience so far.
My point is that guys un HTC software kitchen should sit down and fix this IMO rushed release and give as an proper update.until then this is great hardware being hold hostage by poor software.it is unacceptable for phone with such specs to be performing like this.
Come on HTC.we know you can do better.
Please share your experience too...

I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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Endr1 said:
I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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stock ROM is one solution.but i enjoyed HTC Sence on Desire.i hope they wil fix this one.
thx for confirming.at least i know i am not the only one with this problems.

I swapped out htc sense for launcherpro and also stopped all the syncing that htc sense requires like facebook for sense, twitter for sense, htc sense, stocks, news and weather.
I then set profiles within setcpu to allow for performance when the screen is on while scaling back the processor whilst the screen is off.
Installed spare parts and sped up some of the animations and bam! my desire hd is as fast as my nexus one was with CM6 with over-clocked kernel and all the lag has disappeared. I also have over 30 apps I have installed myself.
The problem with flash I'm sure will be fixed sometime, everyone is experiencing this slow down.

teihoata said:
I swapped out htc sense for launcherpro and also stopped all the syncing that htc sense requires like facebook for sense, twitter for sense, htc sense, stocks, news and weather.
I then set profiles within setcpu to allow for performance when the screen is on while scaling back the processor whilst the screen is off.
Installed spare parts and sped up some of the animations and bam! my desire hd is as fast as my nexus one was with CM6 with over-clocked kernel and all the lag has disappeared. I also have over 30 apps I have installed myself.
The problem with flash I'm sure will be fixed sometime, everyone is experiencing this slow down.
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i have purchased LauncherPro before.did not want to go down that road,but i think i will swap Sense for this launcher for a while to see how it performs.

Endr1 said:
I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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Does the lagging also occur when your're running stock? Do you use a task killer?
My phone has no programs with lag!
Oops sorry my post was a question to the OP

Black1982 said:
Does the lagging also occur when your're running stock? Do you use a task killer?
My phone has no programs with lag!
Oops sorry my post was a question to the OP
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i don,t know what you mean by "running stock".
and no.i don't use any task killer.don't think it is needed in Froyo.

Ive found a lot of the slow down is from programs starting up and starting in the ram most I found from htc :/ I've used root and a auto memory manger (one that uses the system, not an app killer) and now my phone runs great next step is full root and a custom rom to fully cut out the bloat : D
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Have you people who are suffering from performance problems installed the OTA update? It was supposed to fix some performance issues IIRC. My DHD is blazingly fast and i have around 100 apps installed. I run SystemPanel too and haven't seen any high cpu use.
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Unfortunately I have to agree as well. Lags the whole time, ages to load the picture gallery with about 200 photos. But the worst thing, it is not supporting ActiveSync with Exchange 2010, for me incredible! I feel like on HD2 at the beginning, great hardware but bad software. On DHD I was sure that the software must be better but it is disappointing. I never had such lags on the HD2 even with the worst ROMs. I am also a bit diasappointed from the home screen. On HD2 with Co0kie home tab I had a lot of more information as I have now. The Market, for me the biggest improvement, is not really working since the begining, needs 20 retry to download a 1 MB app. I am sure HTC will fix most of the software problems but currently it is disappointing.

Antlink said:
Ive found a lot of the slow down is from programs starting up and starting in the ram most I found from htc :/ I've used root and a auto memory manger (one that uses the system, not an app killer) and now my phone runs great next step is full root and a custom rom to fully cut out the bloat : D
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i will give this a go.
it is a shame that in the end i have to get rid of HTC software.i know some may not agree with me but i like HTC's software.i loved what they did since i had my old Touch Pro.Manila made that phone different from others that time and ever since i was buying HTC phones for their innovative approach.i cannot believe they screwed up so much this time.but i've seen them fixing their mistakes before so i still have hope.

berek9999 said:
Have you people who are suffering from performance problems installed the OTA update? It was supposed to fix some performance issues IIRC. My DHD is blazingly fast and i have around 100 apps installed. I run SystemPanel too and haven't seen any high cpu use.
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yes.i applied OTA as a first thing after first boot.before i set up any account sync or installed any software.
EDIT: I got DHD after the OTA was released.

polystirenman said:
i don,t know what you mean by "running stock".
and no.i don't use any task killer.don't think it is needed in Froyo.
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I meant "out of the box" I'm asking because you seem to point to the HTC software as the culprit for your lag problems, but it is not so clear to me why you come to this conclusion. I also use CPU monitoring aps, and my CPU load is mostly 0%. So how do you know it's not another app? Did you do a reboot? what happened after that.
I know it is not needed to run a Task killer, but it could be the reason for your lag, that's why I asked.

Maybe it needs gingerbread
Having said that, there is already report gingerbread will be out (on at least one handset) on 8th Nov. I m not convinced HTC will update DHD to Gingerbread for at least a few month given their track record with the past model. There will probably be only 1 update for the life time of DHD.

Is launcher pro a valid alternative to the sense? I mean will use more power and drain my battery faster? To use the memory manager should you get root? With Paul's visionary?
I am not giving up on sense just yet but I would like to know if there are alternatives...
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Black1982 said:
I meant "out of the box" I'm asking because you seem to point to the HTC software as the culprit for your lag problems, but it is not so clear to me why you come to this conclusion. I also use CPU monitoring aps, and my CPU load is mostly 0%. So how do you know it's not another app? Did you do a reboot? what happened after that.
I know it is not needed to run a Task killer, but it could be the reason for your lag, that's why I asked.
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well i noticed this after a few first hours of using DHD.that was before and after i added 3rd party software.the main reasons why i think that the cause of this lag is HTC software are...
-after a while of using Navigation app phone started to lag
-if i add navigation widget and then i navigate to that page on the home screen there is almost instant lag.
-it is not only Navigation app but some others too.like friend stream,htc peep etc.this apps worked fine on old Desire.i was using them on daily basis so i am sure.
-almost every other non HTC app i use runs smooth.
-when i sync my Gmail only,it is just fine.but if i use HTC sync all widget it is just painfully slow and it is slowing down the whole phone.
can you please recommend me an CPU monitor app you are using?so i can check my DHD with it.

Market is down.
The app is system panel and costs 3$.
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Endr1 said:
Market is down.
The app is system panel and costs 3$.
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i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...

polystirenman said:
i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...
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SystemPanel works fine for me and usually shows < 10% cpu. Maybe you have something installed that's not fully compatible with the new Sense that is causing the problem? It seems there is a genuine problem here with quite a few people reporting it. The difficult bit is working out what it is of course since it's not affecting everyone.
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polystirenman said:
i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...
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Try OSmonitor, in settings you can set it to show processes according to CPU load etc. I also use that app for looking at differnt logs eg. battery logs.
Perhaps you can also try SeePU for showing CPU and RAM usage in your notification bar! I like that I can see what's going on!
I'm trying to replicate yor problems using Navigation and Friendstream, but it doesn't slow down. You didn't install the youtube update by any chance?

Desire HD 720p Lag

I've been getting a lag in my video's filmed at 720p quality from my Desire HD
Youtube video of test footage watch?v=x_OLIbLkUWk
Just as it hits 0:13 there is lag which is native on the phone video aswell.
I've filmed quite a bit since them and do get these laggy intervals when filming at 720p quality.
Am I seriously just going to have to accept defeat and film at 800x480?
Any known fixes?

Xartz said:
Am I seriously just going to have to accept defeat and film at 800x480?
Any known fixes?
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I hope not. I recently got myself a brand new DHD, and can confirm i am experiencing the same issues when recording video -LAG.
I have no idea what the issue could be, I’m thinking maybe the mmc card could be the issue if its only 2x, i'd imagine 720p recoding will require higher speed mmc cards – im using the one which came with the mobile.

lower class of micro sd card perhaps?

With 1.5 GB of RAM, you'd think the DHD would be able to cache a whole lot more than 13 seconds of 720p 3GP video...
I don't remember where, but this has been discussed before, and they didn't think it was the memorycard that was the root of the problem.

To be honest i havent experience lag of any kind when videoing at 720p! Maybe a background task took some resources at the same time! Just a thought.

Have you enabled USB Debugging in the settings?

Yes I have.
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Have you enabled USB Debugging in the settings?
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Have you installed Visionary? I experienced the same thing and when I removed it, the lag was gone. Now I have 'USB debugging' disabled and no lag.

I have a class 10 32gb card which probably isn't causing the problem. My phones not rooted, haven't installed visionary. Plus this occurred when my DHD was vanilla.
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My Desire Z sometimes lag in 720p recording too.
I noticed that refocusing when recording cause the lag, but it still lags sometimes even I didn't touch anything.

are you running a live wallpaper, cause in tests i have done running a live wallpaper in the background have made my desire hd lag a lot.

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are you running a live wallpaper, cause in tests i have done running a live wallpaper in the background have made my desire hd lag a lot.
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I disabled Live Wallpaper but still the same.
it's like 10~20second per lag.
running stock ROM, Asia-HK
will try to flash another ROM this weekend to see if there is any difference

Um.. 1.5GB of internal storage, not RAM. The phone only(!) has 768MB RAM.
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With 1.5 GB of RAM, you'd think the DHD would be able to cache a whole lot more than 13 seconds of 720p 3GP video...
I don't remember where, but this has been discussed before, and they didn't think it was the memorycard that was the root of the problem.
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Not completely sure this will help, but what about formatting the SD card in 32 kb sectorsize?
It helped me, when my video recording was "stuttering"
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I'm using the one that come with the phone, it's already 32KB

Hi, I experienced the same thing : Yahoo mail was runnning background

I also experience lag. Someone needs to inform HTC imo.

i have a working fix besides the 32k cluster format, which simply improves the sd card performance
i simply go to free advanced and i hit end all tasks (the quick version) before launching the camera
it works everytime and if i dont't apply it my film lags, its clearly a multi tasking issue something running in the background causing it
but try my method it works

i tried your solution hamdir and it actually does work! I'l test it some more tomorrow because right now its too cloudy and dark outside which isnt optimal conditions for recording with this phone.
edit: the sun came out so i took another clip. no lag
i think its a certain app that may be causing this. is there a way we can pinpoint exactly which one?

i doubt its one app, i don't know if maybe its htc sense and its sync settings or any app that runs in the background like messengers, either way i can't be bothered looking for it the solution is working and very easy
hopefully gingerbread will eventually solve it, since it has a feature that cleans applications footprint
i just noticed my solution was added to the compilation of DHD issues thread i will also mention it in the camera guide i'm currently preparing

Performance Hickups

So earlier this day i went to a shop and found the HTC 8X there, i couldnt resist playing with it, so i tested everything possible on it, but found not major, but rather irritating performance hickups. They especialy happened when I started doing some fast scrolling in the home screen and found that the faster i was scrolling the bigger the lag was, especialy when moving to the app drawer, and the bouncy efect when overscrolling. Also when i scrolled really slow in the messages for example, the text didnt go up and down fluid but rather stutered a little, is this only happening on HTC 8X or all WP8 devices? Thank you for answering.

Definitely NOT happening on my Lumia 920. This thing is a freakin rocket!
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Definitely not happening on my AT&T 8X. No such issues at all.

mikroland said:
Definitely NOT happening on my Lumia 920. This thing is a freakin rocket!
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Nope my 810 is good to go
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My Lumia 920 is really smooth. The only time it hiccups is on the lockscreen if I have an app running in the background (MetroRadio tends to do this). I think it's because MetroRadio is a WP7 app and hasn't been updated for WP8 yet.

My htc .8x has no lag issues!
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So earlier this day i went to a shop and found the HTC 8X there, i couldnt resist playing with it, so i tested everything possible on it, but found not major, but rather irritating performance hickups. They especialy happened when I started doing some fast scrolling in the home screen and found that the faster i was scrolling the bigger the lag was, especialy when moving to the app drawer, and the bouncy efect when overscrolling. Also when i scrolled really slow in the messages for example, the text didnt go up and down fluid but rather stutered a little, is this only happening on HTC 8X or all WP8 devices? Thank you for answering.
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App drawer, huh? I think you may have picked up a one X.

^ lol, so true.
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I think you just had a bad model. My HTC 8x (black) is smooth as butter. Only thing I noticed with Beats Audio is that it "lagged" a bit the first time on playback after I chucked the device full of new apps and music, but that was only for a day. I think it was busy caching or something - but no lag or hiccups anywere now.

Hey,
I think I noticed a same lag issue, maybe the thread starter also had a WP before because I think WP 7.x did some scrolling smoother ... For me it only happens when I scroll with my finger put down. There seems to be way too much going on cpu wise when I scroll up and down. As soon as I lift my finger the Lumia 920 turns into a rocket again.
I tried to do a comparison video with my own 920 and my old 800 (which I gave to my girlfriend ^^). The video cannot quite show what the issue is but it is hard to describe it anyways. I still think the thread starter is right and this issue maybe should be reported to MSFT.
Scrolling on Lumia 800:
Scrolling on Lumia 920:
(Just ignore the sound)
bye, Smirny

ok I finally figured out how to reproduce the issue clearly. It seems that scrolling within legacy WP7 apps is not affected by this. So you can try this out for yourself.
1. Go to your homescreen and scroll around a bit while leaving your finger ON the screen.
2. Go to any legacy app and do the same scrolling behaviour. There is a difference between the smoothness of the two!
I recommend for example "Photocasa Galery" because it tries to immitate the homescreen tiles, so you can compare the two even better. (http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/photocasa-gallery/4f2eedf9-09c2-4baa-8ec5-160f0ca5f542)
bye, Smirny
BIG EDIT:
I think I finally found a solution:
Go to your ease of access settings and check whether the magnifier is enabled. I enabled it just for fun, but since I disabled it again this phone is very very smooth again! Hope it also works for you =)

Stuttering/Not Smooth

Hi, first post here!
I was just wondering if anybody else has noticed a little bit of stuttering/lack of smoothness when doing certain things? For example, scrolling down Facebook is not smooth at all for me, Twitter is a lot better but still isn't perfectly smooth! I also notice a bit of stuttering in games such as Temple Run. Also when I go to the menu and scroll right, the first time it stutters a bit, but then will be perfectly smooth after that!
I'm unsure whether this is just the phone, or there is a problem with mine/something slowing it down? I might have just not noticed it when I first got the phone, but I am sure everything was perfectly smooth before.

I would say, yes... but you said "not smooth at all". Is this even after it has loaded pictures, posts, statuses, etc? Maybe a video of this in action or something could help out.
For now, I'm going to say yes, I have noticed stuttering. It is slight and it occurs because the phone and apps are not perfect.
...
Yet.

DecTaylor said:
Hi, first post here!
I was just wondering if anybody else has noticed a little bit of stuttering/lack of smoothness when doing certain things? For example, scrolling down Facebook is not smooth at all for me, Twitter is a lot better but still isn't perfectly smooth! I also notice a bit of stuttering in games such as Temple Run. Also when I go to the menu and scroll right, the first time it stutters a bit, but then will be perfectly smooth after that!
I'm unsure whether this is just the phone, or there is a problem with mine/something slowing it down? I might have just not noticed it when I first got the phone, but I am sure everything was perfectly smooth before.
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Ok, but please: Do not blame your phone for the badliest-programmed-app-on-the-whole-planet-ever, named Facebook.

Really mate... These are app issues and have nothing at all to so with the phone.
I titanium bu to freez the Facebook app. It uses memory and battery 24/7..I use the tabr app for fb and twitter.
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Problems with badly coded apps rather than the phone itself.

Richieboy67 said:
Really mate... These are app issues and have nothing at all to so with the phone.
I titanium bu to freez the Facebook app. It uses memory and battery 24/7..
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Could these apps be effected the rest of the phone though? Like I said the menus can stutter sometimes, where they didn't before, and also scrolling down in everything single app has definitely lost the smoothness it had!

DecTaylor said:
Could these apps be effected the rest of the phone though? Like I said the menus can stutter sometimes, where they didn't before, and also scrolling down in everything single app has definitely lost the smoothness it had!
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I sometimes face this micro stuttering too on entering app center for the first time, entering and swiping the second time after the screen turned off doesn't stutter.
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graphics issues

Hey I just got my g2. Incredible phone, there is a learning curve however. I'm not quite used to the dimensions and button the back, but I have only been using it for a couple days so I'll give it t some time. The screen and camera are the best I've ever seen(not counting the nokia1020).
The biggest issue for me right now is performance. Switching in and out of apps and navigating apps is pretty choppy. Had this been 3 years ago the speed would be great but I'm comparing it to my galaxy s4 and iPhone 5 side by side and the scrolling on some web pages and apps is frustratingly slow. I was wondering if anyone is seeing the same kind of performance?

No, my phone is flying. No lags whatsoever. I would try a master reset and see if that helps.
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mike2518 said:
No, my phone is flying. No lags whatsoever. I would try a master reset and see if that helps.
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Same here, fastest Android phone I ever dealt with. Experience is better then N4, just with a load of junk... Cyanogenmod for us will make it better!

dotpage said:
Same here, fastest Android phone I ever dealt with. Experience is better then N4, just with a load of junk... Cyanogenmod for us will make it better!
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Since your coming from anexus 4, which was my favorite android phone besides the camera. How are you doing with the size difference? I have larger than average size hands and I have to bounce the phone around in my hand to reach things I need to press at the top of the screen. Never had that problem with the nexus or my gs4.

I'm coming from a N4 too (I'll get the phone the G2 this week) I'll miss vanilla, but the battery life, camera, and larger screen will MORE than make up for that with the G2.

do me a favor and try youtube, asphalt 8, riptide gp, etc etc. (heavy 3d games) everything is choppy for me but the choppiness is rhythmic for some odd reason

First off, what launcher are you using? I think alot of people that get lagged that are caused by a poorly written app, and assume its the phones fault. Only good way to tell will be factory reset, and run it that way a bit. All good then add ur apps back one at a time, testing it between apps, and that will pinpoint which app is the issue...

I've been getting some random gitter/lag with the ui as well, just tested in antutu got 30,000 then a second time got 26,000. Isn't the g2 supposed to get like 35k?
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Just so I could make a statement based on fact I downloaded Riptide GP 2 to see if I got any lag or stuttering, I played 2 races with no lag or slowdown. Then I went into the graphic settings but everything was already maxed out by default, I ended up playing for 20 more minutes and its a very fun game lol. So yep it just went thru the game like butter the way you would expect it to..