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Hi Guys
New to this and have to say what a forum but can anyone answer this little pain in the **** Q. Will we be able to update to wm6.5 or 7 as its making me think twice about getting my X1 when O2 finaly re stock. The last thing I need i a 18mth contract on a out of date phone........
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6.5 might but SE is known for not releasing updated OS's for their phones. You can probably get it with a cooked ROM. 7 will be a no-no, as it will mostly require an accelerometer in the phone.
I doubt you'll be able to upgrade to 7 if it needs multitouch screen, but can't see why 6.5 would be a problem unless that also needs it..
18months, wm7 might be released by then, but is it really likely?
looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?
sonystu said:
looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?
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Why is it?
theres an early build of IE6 out there, it needs to be cooked into a rom.
A couple of other older devices already have roms released with IE6 in them, the HD and the xperia have pretty much the same internals.
Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........
sonystu said:
Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........
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nothing new there, doesn't mean you need a new phone, just the usual MS drivel...
Michyprima has it working on the Athena, which is nearly 2 years old, so I can't see it being a problem on the X1 which is a lot more powerful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411371
here's the discussion thread, there's some cabs linked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444882
Of course fennec will be out in (beta at least) soon, and if it works as well as it's fullblown sibling IE6 will become increasingly irrelevant.
Can some one help me out with understanding windows 7 mobile please?
how can it be multitouch?
i thought that apple had a patent that said they have the rights to a multi touch devices?
or is that just for a limited ammount of time?
why shouldnt the x1 be capable of multitouch too?
I think the real one to worry about is 6.5 as 7 looks like 2010 from what i can make out 7 needs a G sensor and the x1 has not got one.... I am starting to think this phone is out dated as it should have come out in feb...... As for the iphone well i dont think they have any rights to a screen.
An HP tablet with multi-touch was announced the other day so I don't think Apple have exclusive rights to it...
wm7 will come in many diffrent versions.
Ppl are claiming stuff in this thread that has no root in reality.
Here is a nice rule for daily use:
"Stop commenting about what you dont know"
cheers
I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......
sonystu said:
I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......
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what sony do or dont, or htc for all that matters..dont really bother me.
But wm6.5 and 7 will come for different devices with different specs. And when it comes to porting over...duh...Its always said that it cant be done...
cheers
as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones
Rudegar said:
as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones
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lol, thats true. Thats how it always will be
Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.
ok i think we all have some good points and yep lets face it you have got to jump in some time. Really i think the guys are going to stick with this and when need will get a wm6.5 rom up and running. So on that note its back to the O2 web site hitting refresh all day every day until its back in stock!! Anything has got to be better than my old N95 as i have had it from day 1...........
Alex Atkin UK said:
Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.
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Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.
mlinz said:
Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.
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Source? or speculation
Now that 6.5 is out of beta and officially released, i wonder how long it takes before a non beta cooked 6.5 version comes out.... really hoping for that one hehe
Hi everyone,
I'm aware of the HTC graphical driver issues on theirs phones. I saw the benchmarks results of the Kaiser, Polaris, ... and they're sooooo poor compared to the Nokias' and iPhone's ones. That's so bad according to the possibilities of the hardware of these phones !
I also saw that HTC responded to HTCClassAction in January saying they're goin to implement the right drivers from that moment. It seems that("s not what happened.
I'm considering buying a HTC Touch HD aka Blackstone and I wish to know what I should expect from it. Does it implement the right driver ? I mean does it support hardware acceleration ?
I'm sad to say that but I have a KS20 which doesn't support PocketHAL and PointUI and I'm seriously considering buying an iPhone even if I HATE Apple's politics...
Can someone give me a straight and definitive answer about the Qualcomm/ATI driver support on the Blackstone ?? Or tell if there is an unofficial way to implement them through an alternative ROM or a simple CAB ?
Thanks a lot !
//ant1
tonyfromparis said:
Hi everyone,
I'm aware of the HTC graphical driver issues on theirs phones. I saw the benchmarks results of the Kaiser, Polaris, ... and they're sooooo poor compared to the Nokias' and iPhone's ones. That's so bad according to the possibilities of the hardware of these phones !
I also saw that HTC responded to HTCClassAction in January saying they're goin to implement the right drivers from that moment. It seems that("s not what happened.
I'm considering buying a HTC Touch HD aka Blackstone and I wish to know what I should expect from it. Does it implement the right driver ? I mean does it support hardware acceleration ?
I'm sad to say that but I have a KS20 which doesn't support PocketHAL and PointUI and I'm seriously considering buying an iPhone even if I HATE Apple's politics...
Can someone give me a straight and definitive answer about the Qualcomm/ATI driver support on the Blackstone ?? Or tell if there is an unofficial way to implement them through an alternative ROM or a simple CAB ?
Thanks a lot !
//ant1
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Are you asking from a purely technical/developer's point of view, or are you asking if the HD's graphic performance is better?
Well both in a way.
Technically speaking first coz I want to know what could work on the Blackstone from a PocketHAL UI like PoitUI to a full OpenGL ES game.
And in a second time if there is some evolutions since the Kaiser, Polaris or Diamond.
But first of all. It aksed a binary answer (yes or no) : does HTC had implemented a hardware acceleration or is it still a Microsoft software rendering ?
THANKS
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nobody knows ?
It has hardware 3d acceleration of opengl es and mobile directx, but it implementation isn't as good as it could be i believe. I am no expert, and this info is what I have gleaned from these forums. Touchflo 3D uses hardware acceleration.
I have tried the game 'Toy Golf' on my phone, and it runs with accelerated graphics which appear smooth, but unfortunatley most of the rendering is corrupt or missing. I am not aware of any other 3D games to try.
Is there a way to bring the flash video support from the HTC Hero to other android devices like the Samsung Moment. I love the device< but it sucks in that it does not have browser flash support.
The hero has only limited flash support(flash lite i think), so its better without it, until adobe flash 10 pro hits mobile android devices. I've played around with the browser, the only flash that worked was HTC's website
Flash is very poorly implemented on ther Hero, honestly it wouldn't be worth porting even if it was possible (it would be pretty hard to port the full ROM - which you'd have to do - as there would be all sorts of driver issues).
Just wait for full flash support coming early next year.
ok. This is my first Android device. So far I like it. I have bben using windows mobile for 5 years. I miss my wmwifirouter and skyfire.
I have a small question that I seem to not be able to find the answer for....
1) games that require Multi-Touch seem to not work on my device and i am curious as to why this is, is this a hardware limitation or just something that hasn't been enabled/working yet on current android builds. I have the Droid-X keyboard installed and working so this leads me to believe that multi touch games/apps should work to.
2) I have seen the Evo and the galaxy-s that have 5 point Multi-touch and was wondering of this is something that out our devices can do.
US Tmo HD2
Chuckydroidrom T-MOUS
and i jump FroyoStone_Sense_V2 & HyperDroidV1.2
Thanks.
bumbklaatt said:
I have a small question that I seem to not be able to find the answer for....
1) games that require Multi-Touch seem to not work on my device and i am curious as to why this is, is this a hardware limitation or just something that hasn't been enabled/working yet on current android builds. I have the Droid-X keyboard installed and working so this leads me to believe that multi touch games/apps should work to.
2) I have seen the Evo and the galaxy-s that have 5 point Multi-touch and was wondering of this is something that out our devices can do.
US Tmo HD2
Chuckydroidrom T-MOUS
and i jump FroyoStone_Sense_V2 & HyperDroidV1.2
Thanks.
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Multitouch games works with me i think it is your.problem
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HD2 has minimum required, 2 points
I'm having the same issue.. If multi-touch is working on some Droid builds, could somebody kindly point out which builds support it? I'm currently on MDJ's newest Froyo Sense (based on Desire) and Modern Combat: Sandstorm doesn't work too well..
We get 2 points. See MultiTouch Visualizer in market for an example.
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HD2 can only support 2-point multitouch (which most builds include, I haven't had a build without it), yet HTC messed up on the drivers so it's kinda flaky sometimes.
Yeah... it takes a bit to learn how to deal with it.. but at least it works.
I am playing sandstorm without issues. (any build worked so far )
Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
Sjuust said:
Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... i hope that you're wrong and that this is a software problem
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
orangekid said:
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
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While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
elyl said:
While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
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this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
Hi,
Do you think that is possible to replace touchscreen driver files by thoses contained in the htc léo 08787 patch for wm6.5 ?
Tx
Impossible. WP7 has a completely different driver architecture.
hoss_n2 said:
this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
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Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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domon07 said:
i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
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If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
If it is not a hardware limitation, then who's going to write the drivers?
Has anyone ever managed to engineer a fully functional driver for, well, anything on XDA? I remember for the Kaiser there were multiple people trying to make a proper graphics driver and there was never a truly 100% functional one. We weren't able to provide TMC access to the radio on the HD2 - and that was on the native WM6.5
I wouldn't hold my breath for a new driver. Writing a driver for a piece of hardware we have absolutely no documentation on is hard enough. Couple that with writing for a brand new OS and it looks even less likely.
I'd be ecstatic to be proved wrong, though.
i like people who say its impossible !!!
cotulla is one of the people who can say impossible is nothing...
and i just belive in the future cotulla make lot of kids and give them his experience...
and we can have lot of PRO developers in the future
becouse for Russian people everithing is possible...
just need trink Vodka rulezz...
just support it..
Hi Guys,
I bought fruit ninja off Marketplace the other day. Some times it does register two slices on the screen. So it's most probably just a driver issue. 2 point Multitouch was enabled for Wm65 and this will eventually get to WP7 aswell. So be patient
orangekid said:
If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
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It is a hardware limitation... ask any dev that has worked with touch drivers for the HD2. I can't remember exactly what touch sensor the hd2 has, but I know it's one that is only capable of 2 points touch. There was a lot of research done on this both when the hd2 first came out and they were developing multitouch sdk for the hd2, and when they were developing the linux kernel/android for the hd2 and cotulla had to write the touchscreen driver for it. The HD2 is not capable of more than 2 point multitouch.
HTC even made a big deal when the next gen devices came out (I think starting with the EVO) that they were using a new touch sensor that was capable of more than 2 point multitouch, which they never used on prior devices.
Imo, no or maybe yes! Yesterday i got my new HD7... multitouching is REALLY good.. On HD2 is harware limitation or something..
probably kernel related.
This might help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878936