Database Users

A new ROM Omnia Style ???

I'd like to know if anybody is interested in a ROM Omnia Style ???
I'm not able to cook and so i'd like to know if any cookers think to make it

seems to be quiet here.. yea.. i would like the omnia type one too. too bad the screens are different.

if you are Chinese people , here are what you want...
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=129&t=749129&last=7837619

Well if you look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417825
It has some of the apps and plugins from omina. It isnt a ROM though.

Kenjari said:
Well if you look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417825
It has some of the apps and plugins from omina. It isnt a ROM though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, i've tried these plugins and they work well enough, so i'd like a ROM with these plugins i'm bored about Diamond Style

suaaa said:
if you are Chinese people , here are what you want...
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=129&t=749129&last=7837619
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks but i'm italian

I would love a omnia rom but we should wait for the 3d drivers first.....

Oh...I see!
Well I agree...an Omnia style ROM would be nice. I was battling between getting Cruise and Omnia before i purchased the Cruise.

fleadog99 said:
I would love a omnia rom but we should wait for the 3d drivers first.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
HTC has said they're not moving forward in that area, because...
"HTC DOES plan to offer software upgrades that will increase feature functionality, over the air wireless speeds and other enhancements for some of the phones being criticized, but we do not anticipate including any additional support for the video acceleration issues cited in customer complaints. It is important for customers to understand that bringing this functionality to market is not a trivial driver update and requires extensive software development and time.
HTC will utilize hardware video acceleration like the ATI Imageon in many upcoming products. Our users have made it clear that they expect our products to offer an improved visual experience, and we have included this feedback into planning and development of future products." [according to HTC]

i think so,htc had given up to upgrades.
plugins of Omnia is too large.almost 35M,I dont think its useful

actually if you look through that omnia thread there are cabs whoch are small like 9mb that is what I am running and it works great except for the mplayer which they are still working on. The 3D drivers....I was talking about in this forum udk is working on it I do beleive.

ol,seems that i make a mistake.
hope 3d drivers coming soon.

Touch HD GPU?

Hi guys, im new to this forum and have done a lot of reading, though have not found a definitive answer to my questions:
What is the issue with the Touch HDs GPU?
Is it that Drivers have not been made by HTC and so it is not used?
What can we do to overcome this?
I have already installed the Diamond ATI drivers although they do not seem to give me performance as smooth as i have seen on other, older pocket pcs.
Thanks in advance, i would really appreciate it if someone were to clear up these things for me.

ASK768 said:
Is it that Drivers have not been made by HTC and so it is not used?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The blackstone uses the MSM72xx chipset made by Qualcomm. In theory there are drivers for that chip, but the Qualcomm policy is a bit strange. Apparently you buy the chip itself, but the drivers aren't included. So you have to pay for each driver seperatly.
Therefore HTC tries to save some money, so they haven't bought these drivers, which means that the major work is done by the cpu making the device slow (or at least slower than it could be with full hardware support).
Until now there is no real work around. We are still looking for devices with these drivers included, but so far we haven't found drivers, which make full use of the hardware.
Personally I'm wondering if those drivers really exist (for Windows Mobile (as claimed by Qualcomm)), because I can't imagine why distributers don't want to add them, as they would improve the performance dramatically.
That's the short story, you can read through this thread in order to get more information.

Thanks
So for the time being is all that we can do is wait for someone to write/port over drivers?

ASK768 said:
Thanks
So for the time being is all that we can do is wait for someone to write/port over drivers?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
or actually WRITE them instead of waiting
wish i could have the skills to be of help...

People in this forum are working on the issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442712

crashDebug said:
or actually WRITE them instead of waiting
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I guess such a low level programming can't be done without the knowhow of the chip itself.

I would like to help but the only thing i could feasibly help with is testing and benchmarks seeing as i know very little about programming and even less about low level programming

Can someone do it

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi to all here you have done a wonderfull job so far. What i was wondering is it possible i saw it gsmarena site that the new htc hero is much like iphone the photos or galery and the internet browser are made multitouch. Is it possible somehow to get the drivers of the screen from hero and to make the hd as well multitouch like hero. I know that it is a very hard work and i know how the multitouch works i mean i understand very good i just am not that good a programer to make it my self. But since hd and others like daimond 2 and touch pro 2 and the hero are alike in almost everything hardware wise i was just wondering if it possible. I know that hero useses android linux and the broweser should be chromo and suports multitouch maybe some programer can make it work in Windows mobile as well.
I havent tested this but here is something that works in multitouch
Morphgear 2.4.0.9 WVGA gamepad with Multi-Touch support
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489147
Thanks hope someone does it and make us all very happy

Leo or Nokia N900

I'm anxious to know what you all think about the HTC Leo and the Nokia N900. Which of these two devices is a suitable repacement for our beloved Touch HD??
regards, Kuzibri

Leo........

ArtieQ said:
Leo........
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
could you explain why?

kuzibri said:
could you explain why?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I hate Nokia and love HTC?

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia and love HTC?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?

kuzibri said:
not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.

ArtieQ said:
I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
N900 is not Symbian but Maemo (Linux)

i am actualy considering the N900 , i love HTC as a company ,
but i am very dissapointed from the HTC speed .
and because of that , the Leo is a device with strong processor , and a very bad OS.
if he had the N900 OS , or android , that was nice .
anyway , N900 for me !
and someone should tell HTC to stop sell a good device with bad OS !

Leo looks as though it could be a great device, but Windows Mobile 6.5 is just really starting to show its age and bulkiness(slow even on a Snapdragon). HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
I love my Touch HD, but compared to my friend's 3GS it doesn't have many strong points(and compared to the n900 it loses on all accounts). I'd still wait for more announcement concerning the Xperia X3 before making my final choice.

N900 is interesting but the "Landscape Only" is ugly... Linux OS makes it like PC and this is good but CPU/RAM/Battery moving it?
I have Touch HD and I don't think to buy Leo because no real improvements but not N900 too
I'm waiting for something in future
D'rath

I'm with you D'rath on this one as Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android. February 2010 is going to be an interesting month for sure!

I'l be waiting for Tegra/WinMo 7 before i change my HD

when i saw the leo video review i decided to keep my hd leo camera still sucks only improvement is the processor but in the review it is not also so fast don't differ allot the only issue with hd is that it will not get wm6.5 officially when talking about memo5 in nokia n900 it has not allot of applications and not good support for games and applications

Toss3 said:
...Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Has it actually been announced or is it just more rumours?
If it's the former, do you have a link?

Toss3 said:
HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was probably gimped because WM 6.5 only supports 65k colors... still.
The appeal of getting a enormous screen and a much faster processor in Leo is tempting. N900 is interesting, but being a completely new OS think it's best to wait and see. The X3 / SE Rachel also looks tasty, but again too few details to make it a sure-buy.
If nuerom can get overclocking working stablely on the MSM 720x devices I think I'll stay on HD for until end of next year at least

I got for the Leo, I will buy it when it hit the streets.
N900 is bulky compared to leo (because the hardward qwerty keyboard), Leo seems to be faster and more polished in the picture viewer and video playback. Not to mention the multitouch of Leo, wich can become a standard for WM7 and future high end devices.
So for leo:
+Multitouch
+4.3" screen
+I like touchflo
+I love TouchFlo3d
-Dont like WM 6.5 (perhaps with some tweking start menu can be set to work like 6.1,need to read further about this)
...and for Nokia:
+hardware qwerty
-Not symbian (how many aplicacions exist for that varely unused "new" os?)
-Not like the interface

I don't think I would spend that much money on a Htc Leo, and only get a litle faster, a bigger screen and multi touch. I would rather keep my HD, which can do almost anything that Leo can.
If i buy a new phone it has to be much better than the HD, the HD can do almost anything (with a leo rom, its even much better)
The N900 looks like a nice phone. A qwerty keyboard is nice, and I like on the first sight the new Linux os. But I will wait for a while till I get a new device.

n900 for me - I've had guts-full of winmo, and android just doesnt do it for me (dont really like the interface or the architecture tbh).
And btw to the people who say they 'love' these companies because of x, y or z - get real lol. the only time I can imagine someone loving a company is if they either work for that company and they are being paid to say it or they have developed some twisted form of Stockholm syndrome around their employer... if you don't fit into either of these categories, you are a fanboi idiot both are capitalist scumbag companies nearly as bad as apple they cant help it, its just how the world works.
as for the actual devices the n900 interests me greatly, being the smallest posix compliant device ever (afaik?). to 'tarded joe public that probably doesnt mean anything, but to a coder/geek its fantastic!
andriod imo is hacky and not very mmmm.. viable(?) for a range of application areas (e.g. video players?) - is it true that all the apps for android have to be written in java? for real? why?
to me, the n900 looks to be suffering from early run hw problems - these im told should be fixed in the 2nd and 3rd runs. as for the software, anything that is currently not working im very sure will be working very soon - simply due to the community around the device and the openness of the platform - this alone sets the n900 apart from everything else - including android (which although linux based, is very different) - a great example of this fact is the fmradio app (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fmradio/).
if i've offended you with my opinion in this post, you may consider yourself offended - i don't care!
so, come January, ill be picking up an n900 its the only path of progression for me. btw, if im wrong on anything here please correct me.
my 2p (;
fusi

I know people complain about HTC all the time (myself included) but they do produce nice phones. My main concern is that they create new phones all the time with no real improvement between them. I think you'll find the next release (or 2-3 after) will be the device worth moving to from the HD.
Also, I'm addicted like many other to flashing (phones ), customizing and tweaking my HD as well as finding new fixes, helping others and constantly being online at XDA. If I was to get the N900 I would lose all this.....................

i'm moving at the moment from the touch pro 2 to n900. why? because as someone posted above im sick of sloweliness of my device (altough latest AthineOS was excellent )
im also a flashing n customizing addict, and on every single device from htc ive had, after installing mod's the OS was simply slowing down.. even changing the wallpaper was a pain in the a**(especially in Manila- u know what i mean ).
im not saying that htc is crap or something, but n900 seems to better fit my needs now.
Getting it in couple days n we'll se was it worth going back to nokia ( god save me from that filthy n sh*tty Symbian) or not.
Surely i'll be missing htc in some way

2 finger multitouch HD2 / 4 finger multitouch HD7

Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.

Sjuust said:
Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
noooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... i hope that you're wrong and that this is a software problem

check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306

orangekid said:
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.

elyl said:
While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all

Hi,
Do you think that is possible to replace touchscreen driver files by thoses contained in the htc léo 08787 patch for wm6.5 ?
Tx

Impossible. WP7 has a completely different driver architecture.

hoss_n2 said:
this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.

Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.

zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?

Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
domon07 said:
i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.

If it is not a hardware limitation, then who's going to write the drivers?
Has anyone ever managed to engineer a fully functional driver for, well, anything on XDA? I remember for the Kaiser there were multiple people trying to make a proper graphics driver and there was never a truly 100% functional one. We weren't able to provide TMC access to the radio on the HD2 - and that was on the native WM6.5
I wouldn't hold my breath for a new driver. Writing a driver for a piece of hardware we have absolutely no documentation on is hard enough. Couple that with writing for a brand new OS and it looks even less likely.
I'd be ecstatic to be proved wrong, though.

i like people who say its impossible !!!
cotulla is one of the people who can say impossible is nothing...
and i just belive in the future cotulla make lot of kids and give them his experience...
and we can have lot of PRO developers in the future
becouse for Russian people everithing is possible...
just need trink Vodka rulezz...
just support it..

Hi Guys,
I bought fruit ninja off Marketplace the other day. Some times it does register two slices on the screen. So it's most probably just a driver issue. 2 point Multitouch was enabled for Wm65 and this will eventually get to WP7 aswell. So be patient

orangekid said:
If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is a hardware limitation... ask any dev that has worked with touch drivers for the HD2. I can't remember exactly what touch sensor the hd2 has, but I know it's one that is only capable of 2 points touch. There was a lot of research done on this both when the hd2 first came out and they were developing multitouch sdk for the hd2, and when they were developing the linux kernel/android for the hd2 and cotulla had to write the touchscreen driver for it. The HD2 is not capable of more than 2 point multitouch.
HTC even made a big deal when the next gen devices came out (I think starting with the EVO) that they were using a new touch sensor that was capable of more than 2 point multitouch, which they never used on prior devices.

Imo, no or maybe yes! Yesterday i got my new HD7... multitouching is REALLY good.. On HD2 is harware limitation or something..

probably kernel related.
This might help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878936