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Damn that new HTC Diamond looks impressive (http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=46654). Anyone know if it will be possible to rip the software/rom out of it and install on our Polaris'es?
"Nothing is impossible, what's impossible just takes longer time."
normally htc should put this diamond in new rom wm.6.1 if they will do it, I ask them but they answer (we are working hard....)
More info from London:
http://www.phonemag.com/htc-touch-diamond-is-announced-demoed-052686.php
It looks damm good indeed.
Hope the firmware can be used for the Polaris..only the camera is a 3.2mp..that's a bit low for a new model if u ask me..other gsm's work with 5mp at this moment.
And also the polaris has a 3.2 mp already.
It WILL have WM6.1 but... it is too soon to talk about software for this upcoming device.
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=vid...ser-interface-for-windows-mobile-professional
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=y26btrJAy54
Photo Gallery:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-touchdiamond-launch/790665/
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=193&p=291&g=279&h=9480
Damn impressive handset. I was wondering how much of native WinMo interface available to end user? The less is better, I suppose
Here you can see better :
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=H5fetcaQIaA
A lot of videos : http://it.youtube.com/user/HTC
Diamond is VGA device, so i'm not sure that it will be possible to use GUI from it on Cruise which is QVGA.
Also question is about acceleration and drivers, cause this features would be really slow on Cruise.
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Also question is about acceleration and drivers, cause this features would be really slow on Cruise.
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Touch Cruise has 4 times less pixels than Diamond.
Processing power shouldn't be the limiting factor.
Sascha
The manila interface was out for a couple of months ago, but nobody was able to port it into a Kaiser:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500
I think it was time to release a new designed model, the formers models were not so beauty, finally an answer from HTC to the new requirements of the market.
Good Luck HTC....!!!
HTC Diamond will be shipped as O2 xda Diamond in june 2008.
100 € for the unit, 20 €/month with 100 minutes to all national networks.
Preinstalled are TomTom 7 (maps have to be purchased at TomTom) and Opera Mobile 9.5
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Pretty awesome device and much cheaper as iPhone
Sascha
I was just about to buy a touch cruise.
Damn it beats the crap out of iPhone!
Does anyone remember we all said we won't be buying another HTC product?
We are suckers (well, at least I am) really.
ok selling a polaris then, wtb diamond
I'll wait someone will sell his Diamond
Hi everyone,
I'm aware of the HTC graphical driver issues on theirs phones. I saw the benchmarks results of the Kaiser, Polaris, ... and they're sooooo poor compared to the Nokias' and iPhone's ones. That's so bad according to the possibilities of the hardware of these phones !
I also saw that HTC responded to HTCClassAction in January saying they're goin to implement the right drivers from that moment. It seems that("s not what happened.
I'm considering buying a HTC Touch HD aka Blackstone and I wish to know what I should expect from it. Does it implement the right driver ? I mean does it support hardware acceleration ?
I'm sad to say that but I have a KS20 which doesn't support PocketHAL and PointUI and I'm seriously considering buying an iPhone even if I HATE Apple's politics...
Can someone give me a straight and definitive answer about the Qualcomm/ATI driver support on the Blackstone ?? Or tell if there is an unofficial way to implement them through an alternative ROM or a simple CAB ?
Thanks a lot !
//ant1
tonyfromparis said:
Hi everyone,
I'm aware of the HTC graphical driver issues on theirs phones. I saw the benchmarks results of the Kaiser, Polaris, ... and they're sooooo poor compared to the Nokias' and iPhone's ones. That's so bad according to the possibilities of the hardware of these phones !
I also saw that HTC responded to HTCClassAction in January saying they're goin to implement the right drivers from that moment. It seems that("s not what happened.
I'm considering buying a HTC Touch HD aka Blackstone and I wish to know what I should expect from it. Does it implement the right driver ? I mean does it support hardware acceleration ?
I'm sad to say that but I have a KS20 which doesn't support PocketHAL and PointUI and I'm seriously considering buying an iPhone even if I HATE Apple's politics...
Can someone give me a straight and definitive answer about the Qualcomm/ATI driver support on the Blackstone ?? Or tell if there is an unofficial way to implement them through an alternative ROM or a simple CAB ?
Thanks a lot !
//ant1
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Are you asking from a purely technical/developer's point of view, or are you asking if the HD's graphic performance is better?
Well both in a way.
Technically speaking first coz I want to know what could work on the Blackstone from a PocketHAL UI like PoitUI to a full OpenGL ES game.
And in a second time if there is some evolutions since the Kaiser, Polaris or Diamond.
But first of all. It aksed a binary answer (yes or no) : does HTC had implemented a hardware acceleration or is it still a Microsoft software rendering ?
THANKS
//ant1
nobody knows ?
It has hardware 3d acceleration of opengl es and mobile directx, but it implementation isn't as good as it could be i believe. I am no expert, and this info is what I have gleaned from these forums. Touchflo 3D uses hardware acceleration.
I have tried the game 'Toy Golf' on my phone, and it runs with accelerated graphics which appear smooth, but unfortunatley most of the rendering is corrupt or missing. I am not aware of any other 3D games to try.
Hi guys first post haha , i may be a complete and utter noob but doesnt this look promising http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265 its for the vouge and its solves most of the main problems ie. no slide out keyboard but a on screen one instead . I am still waiting for my hd to arrive , so i cannot test it yet . Would this work on the the blackstone? Thanks
People have been talking about this for a while, this is not that new. IDK if it would work since its a new phone, you would probably need to make your own drivers and change a bunch of things for it to work on the HD.
Well if its possible on the Iphone then hopefully it should be ok for the HD.
As for iphone they now have linux up and running and are looking at porting Android.
http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/2008/11/linux-on-iphone.html
ok,,,, finaly out of my 18 month contract and can now get something new and shiny to replace my ageing N95
Was looking seriosly at the Touch HD....... but now the Hero has come along and i cant decide what to do ;0(
I know a little about windows mobile... but nothing about Android...
I just want a nice phone with a good screen... ( i belive the Hero is capacative which is better than resistive? or nicer to use at any rate.. )
But with the Android OS... can i still load in 3rd party apps and software like i can with my N95 symbian OS?? ,, i have things like Garmin XT route GPS program and things like that? can that all still be used on Android phones? or are they more like the iphone and can only take specificaly written stuff for that OS?
If you were buying your first Touchscreen atm... what would you choose out of the hero or Touch HD?? or is there somethign else i should maybe be considering?
Many thanks
Chivalryyyy said:
ok,,,, finaly out of my 18 month contract and can now get something new and shiny to replace my ageing N95
Was looking seriosly at the Touch HD....... but now the Hero has come along and i cant decide what to do ;0(
I know a little about windows mobile... but nothing about Android...
I just want a nice phone with a good screen... ( i belive the Hero is capacative which is better than resistive? or nicer to use at any rate.. )
But with the Android OS... can i still load in 3rd party apps and software like i can with my N95 symbian OS?? ,, i have things like Garmin XT route GPS program and things like that? can that all still be used on Android phones? or are they more like the iphone and can only take specificaly written stuff for that OS?
If you were buying your first Touchscreen atm... what would you choose out of the hero or Touch HD?? or is there somethign else i should maybe be considering?
Many thanks
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After 10 seconds worth of searching I found these threads on this topic:
Hero vs Touch HD vs iPhone 3GS UI Speed
HTC Touch HD versus HTC Hero
In future try searching before creating a new thread and abide by forum rules.
Please post further queries on this subject in either thread.
Ta
Rick
Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
Sjuust said:
Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... i hope that you're wrong and that this is a software problem
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
orangekid said:
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
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While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
elyl said:
While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
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this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
Hi,
Do you think that is possible to replace touchscreen driver files by thoses contained in the htc léo 08787 patch for wm6.5 ?
Tx
Impossible. WP7 has a completely different driver architecture.
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this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
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Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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domon07 said:
i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
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If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
If it is not a hardware limitation, then who's going to write the drivers?
Has anyone ever managed to engineer a fully functional driver for, well, anything on XDA? I remember for the Kaiser there were multiple people trying to make a proper graphics driver and there was never a truly 100% functional one. We weren't able to provide TMC access to the radio on the HD2 - and that was on the native WM6.5
I wouldn't hold my breath for a new driver. Writing a driver for a piece of hardware we have absolutely no documentation on is hard enough. Couple that with writing for a brand new OS and it looks even less likely.
I'd be ecstatic to be proved wrong, though.
i like people who say its impossible !!!
cotulla is one of the people who can say impossible is nothing...
and i just belive in the future cotulla make lot of kids and give them his experience...
and we can have lot of PRO developers in the future
becouse for Russian people everithing is possible...
just need trink Vodka rulezz...
just support it..
Hi Guys,
I bought fruit ninja off Marketplace the other day. Some times it does register two slices on the screen. So it's most probably just a driver issue. 2 point Multitouch was enabled for Wm65 and this will eventually get to WP7 aswell. So be patient
orangekid said:
If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
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It is a hardware limitation... ask any dev that has worked with touch drivers for the HD2. I can't remember exactly what touch sensor the hd2 has, but I know it's one that is only capable of 2 points touch. There was a lot of research done on this both when the hd2 first came out and they were developing multitouch sdk for the hd2, and when they were developing the linux kernel/android for the hd2 and cotulla had to write the touchscreen driver for it. The HD2 is not capable of more than 2 point multitouch.
HTC even made a big deal when the next gen devices came out (I think starting with the EVO) that they were using a new touch sensor that was capable of more than 2 point multitouch, which they never used on prior devices.
Imo, no or maybe yes! Yesterday i got my new HD7... multitouching is REALLY good.. On HD2 is harware limitation or something..
probably kernel related.
This might help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878936